What is the Prima Materia?

[elixirmixer]

I guess in terms of spiritual alchemy, some would say that there is indeed an aspect of the mind that could be considered the Prima Materia. So I don't think you have travelled too far from the topic.

I believe the general idea of spiritual Alchemy is to begin observing ones thoughts. Through the repeated conscious observation of one's own thoughts, the human being begins to seperate the thoughts from the observer.

One realises, in time, that the thoughts we observe are like the moon. They are reflective. And that the observer if thoughts is the Sun. It is the generative.light of the mind.

No doubt this rabbit hole goes deeper and deeper until one can cross the abyss. What happens after that, I do not know.

 

[Philosophical]

If we pissed out our Quintessence we would all be dead in a very short time.

If our urine had no virtues why is it such an excellent fertilizer? Do we perfectly retain our quintessence throughout our lives? If so, why is it that we die? I wouldn't say urine is the prima materia or necessarily the GW of alchemy but I think it's an excellent candidate for use in preparing magnets for 'our mercury'/'common mercury'/'first mercury'.

 

[black]

If our urine had no virtues why is it such an excellent fertilizer?

It's part of the nitrogen cycle.

Do we perfectly retain our quintessence throughout our lives? If so, why is it that we die?

There are a few parts to Quintessence, the Divine Spark that is Eternal and
the other part that is material of this world.

The part of Quintessence that is of this world is like a battery and it needs constant charging with fresh Quintessence from the food we ingest.

Some foods have a good level of Quintessence .... some have virtually none.

To assist us with a healthy and possibly a prolonged life we need Quintessence, but
more important is the Frequency of the Quintessence .... the higher the better.

There are a few Alchemists that view the Universal Philosophers Stone as just a
preparatory medicine to prepare the human body for much higher Frequencies.

Most things in this world have a life cycle, this is all part of our Evolutionary process.

I wouldn't say urine is the prima materia or necessarily the GW of alchemy but I think it's an excellent candidate for use in preparing magnets for 'our mercury'/'common mercury'/'first mercury'.

I have mentioned it before that there is a lot to learn from the Allegory of working
with urine.

I'm sure you will gain something from this work.

 

[Philosophical]

Thanks black, I find a few of your comments very interesting because we see the same facts but interpret them completely different. I find this fertile ground for new ideas and understanding to emerge.

It's part of the nitrogen cycle.

So niterous compounds aren't in anyway useful for preparing magnets? In my view the fact that the nitrogen is so intimately involved in the vitality of things points to a close relationship to spirit. Why is it that many alchemical texts talk of niter/saltpeter if there is nothing about nitrogen compounds that have something to allude or say about the work?

The part of Quintessence that is of this world is like a battery and it needs constant charging with fresh Quintessence from the food we ingest.

I agree, foods have quintessence. Is this quintessence completely absorbed or is there some loss? Where does the quintessence go?

Some foods have a good level of Quintessence .... some have virtually none.

I'd love to hear more on your thoughts which foods are higher in quintessence. Obviously fast food is going to be low vibe but are certain types of food higher in your understanding?

Most things in this world have a life cycle, this is all part of our Evolutionary process.

What drives this process of birth/ripening and decay other than SM? Why is it when something decays and purifies that we find an abundance of niterous compounds, and conversely material rich in niterous compounds fuel birth. I'm not saying the niterous compounds are SM, I am saying there seems to be some deep relationship to it.

I have mentioned it before that there is a lot to learn from the Allegory of working
with urine.

I'm sure you will gain something from this work.

If no SM = no alchemy and urine cannot be involved in anyway to obtain it then I'm not sure how it could be useful.

 

[Pilgrim]

I agree, foods have quintessence. Is this quintessence completely absorbed or is there some loss? Where does the quintessence go?

I doubt it is all absorbed personally. It surely is dependent on your state of health for does not the body have to extract/separate the life energy in the food from the gross matter it is trapped within? Hence why some foods are better than others. With some foods it's likely easier to separate out this energy than others and as has been mentioned some foods will be rich in the level of energy and others poor.

We know instinctively I think that raw foods straight out of nature are the most beneficial. I would guess that aggressive cooking of food destroys the goodness and facilitates the escaping of the energy into the air.

I'd love to hear more on your thoughts which foods are higher in quintessence. Obviously fast food is going to be low vibe but are certain types of food higher in your understanding?

I'd be interested to know this also. For sure I would think the best foods are those just plucked from the ground seconds before you eat them. I have always adhered to the notion that "black" used of this energy source being like a battery. When I reached the age of 30 I could feel that somehow I had been disconnected from a former power source. Up to that point I was always bursting with seemingly endless energy. Then it was like a switch being thrown and at that point I was living on battery power.

For me this speaks to something very important about pregnancy and what a woman's body produces. It seems to me that when we are born and all through our childhood, our bodies contain something which is a magnet for this life energy and/or which can store/hold large amounts of it. Perhaps it is a salt of some kind? Either way, we lose that something around age 30 and so can't then have access to those large amounts of life energy. We then exist on whatever we had stored at that point and what little we can extract from the things we eat, drink and breathe going forward which is never enough. Hence we are living a losing battle. We are batteries gradually running out of power. The body desperately fights as it has been programmed to allocating the limited fuel it is getting to the most important areas, particularly life support. Inevitably as the power wanes something has to slip as the energy is prioritised to life support functions. Our cells no longer replenish quickly, instead they are renewed about very 5-10 years. Our skin stops renewing quickly, loses elasticity and so on. Decay and death become inevitable.

The Stone imho rectifies this dire position we are in. It provides large amounts of that life energy again so that our bodies can once more do what they are programmed to do. In which respect the Stone is not a medicine as such. It is just the perfect fuel our bodies need to function. Our bodies already know how to heal themselves. They just need to be given the right kind of fuel to operate and be given plenty of it.

This line of thinking leads me in 2 directions.

In one direction is the search for the Stone, the super battery charged with life energy

The other direction is the search to understand what the something is that we lost around age 30 that was a natural life energy magnet within us that kept us on constant trickle charge and thus always full of energy.

Either of these 2 things would allow us to escape from the dire conveyorbelt towards death we are on.

Perhaps they are really the same thing? I don't know.

 

[Philosophical]

@Pilgrim

You make an interesting point about health. I agree it is not wholly absorbed. I know this isnt classical alchemy as such but in chinese medicine initial processing of our foods is a two phase process. Rottening/ripening and transform/transport which separates pure from impure. I think of this like putrefaction and separation. Either or both of these can be affected and I think it would affect the value of alchemical products. We also hear to take matter from healthy subjects, of a young boy ideally. I have observed that urine from children putrefys differently to adult resulting in different crystal formations in the vessel.

I'm not sure if raw food is always best. The nutrition of many foods is behind a few locks (one example being oxalic acid) and needs preparation to be used efficiently. Other wild foods are poisonous until we process them. Fermentation and putrefaction are our friends here too often.

I'm not sure that the stone would ever stop us from dying. I do think it optimizes all the inherent processes in our bodies to live vitally Cyliani spoke about this somewhat. Ultimately, we in this mortal form are meant to return to soil, imo. It's not something I, personally, am trying to avoid or seek. It will happen when it does and until then I want to grow, learn and play on this beautiful planet we call Earth. I think that ultimately we still excrete 'quintessence' even after eating the stone.

 

[Pilgrim]

We also hear to take matter from healthy subjects, of a young boy ideally. I have observed that urine from children putrefys differently to adult resulting in different crystal formations in the vessel.

I have often wondered if this were the case and if the seeming obsession of some groups, cults, secret societies with young boys is to do with this rather than paedophilia.

I'm not sure if raw food is always best. The nutrition of many foods is behind a few locks (one example being oxalic acid) and needs preparation to be used efficiently. Other wild foods are poisonous until we process them. Fermentation and putrefaction are our friends here too often.

Fermentation I know about. I'm a keen maker of breads, sourdoughs etc and also fermented vegetables like sauerkraut. However this concerns management and propagation of certain bacterias and probiotic organisms. I don't think it has much to do with the life energy within the food.

I'm not sure that the stone would ever stop us from dying.

Biblically the main characters in the stories lived 900+ years. The body is a self-healing mechanism so if given the right fuel and enough of it I can't see why you couldn't live indefinitely in this form. Form after all simply requires energy to sustain it. Otherwise nature disassembles it and reassembles it into another form. The universe is a constant transfer of energies, with nothing wasted (assuming Law of Conservation of energy to be correct). The bigger question is whether anyone would want to remain in human form once they realise the truth and have the ability to become any form. Most likely those with the Stone enjoyed advanced human form for some kind but quickly got bored and sought new forms with much more interesting abilities.

Ultimately, we in this mortal form are meant to return to soil, imo. It's not something I, personally, am trying to avoid or seek. It will happen when it does and until then I want to grow, learn and play on this beautiful planet we call Earth. I think that ultimately we still excrete 'quintessence' even after eating the stone.

Ultimately we are all just the ONE. Everything is. The myriad of forms the ONE is expressed as will ultimately all change back to the original source/form. imo.

 

[black]

So niterous compounds aren't in anyway useful for preparing magnets? In my view the fact that the nitrogen is so intimately involved in the vitality of things points to a close relationship to spirit. Why is it that many alchemical texts talk of niter/saltpeter if there is nothing about nitrogen compounds that have something to allude or say about the work?

The word Niter did not always mean saltpeter / potassium nitrate.

I agree, foods have quintessence. Is this quintessence completely absorbed or is there some loss? Where does the quintessence go?

There is always some loss through our digestive system and the material part of
Quintessence (life force) is used up sustaining us.

Alchemic Tinctures work better because a Tincture is made with Alcohol (Ethanol)
98% and this goes more directly into our body with minimal loss.

I'd love to hear more on your thoughts which foods are higher in quintessence. Obviously fast food is going to be low vibe but are certain types of food higher in your understanding?

The fresher the better.

What drives this process of birth/ripening and decay other than SM? Why is it when something decays and purifies that we find an abundance of niterous compounds, and conversely material rich in niterous compounds fuel birth. I'm not saying the niterous compounds are SM, I am saying there seems to be some deep relationship to it.

Many systems of nature in this world are set to cycle and continuously regenerate.

If no SM = no alchemy and urine cannot be involved in anyway to obtain it then I'm not sure how it could be useful.

I don't know of any Alchemists that have extracted SM or a Quintessence from urine.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Biblically the main characters in the stories lived 900+ years. The body is a self-healing mechanism so if given the right fuel and enough of it I can't see why you couldn't live indefinitely in this form. Form after all simply requires energy to sustain it. Otherwise nature disassembles it and reassembles it into another form. The universe is a constant transfer of energies, with nothing wasted (assuming Law of Conservation of energy to be correct). The bigger question is whether anyone would want to remain in human form once they realise the truth and have the ability to become any form. Most likely those with the Stone enjoyed advanced human form for some kind but quickly got bored and sought new forms with much more interesting abilities.



Ultimately we are all just the ONE. Everything is. The myriad of forms the ONE is expressed as will ultimately all change back to the original source/form. imo.

Hi Pilgrim (and others!)

You raise a good point about form requiring energy to sustain it. What seems pertinent to me is that fire or agent, tends to “fix” or immortalize the patient. In some sense we need to store as much “fire” in the “earth” without burning it up. This applies to all modalities. We can gradually increase the fire, as our earth evolves.. the raising of vibrations. (Heat, energy, fire-but not common). The more perfect the earth or body the more capacity it has to attract and hold this Fire.

To add on to your point about the universe, I think that we could say it is in Constant transfer or forms or it (nature) is in a constant process of manifesting forms from the energy available and of course recycling is part of this process.

What came first? The chicken or the egg?
Neither. It was the spirit and fire who came first. Forms and functions are a by product of the word/vibration/fire. So everything else I am reading here regarding eating fresh -living foods, living, concentrated essences etc all is appropriate and should (from my understanding) help us to build a foundation on and from our earth. These foods are closer to the source and when compounded, even better. In regards to your point about remaining in the human form when having the ability to change forms I think of depictions of the Greek gods who are able to transform into wild animals (of their resonance) Zeus and the eagle as an example. Likely those who have left may re project themselves here for a variety of reasons or durations but likely not all beings do so. Perhaps some are required always (between realms, like spokes on a wheel) to maintain connection between evolution past and present. The messengers, guiding the sleepers such as our beloved Jesus, Hermes etc.

I am really enjoying the discussion you guys are having so thanks for keeping it popping!

 

[Pilgrim]

"Endlessly creating; endlessly pulsating; the Spirit of the Valley never dies; She is called the Hidden Creator.
Although She becomes the whole universe, Her immaculate purity is never lost. Although She assumes countless form, Her true identity remains intact. Whatever we see or don't see, whatever exists or doesn't exist, is nothing but the creation of this Supreme Power. Tao is limitless, unborn, eternal - it can only be reached through the Hidden Creator. She is the very face of the Absolute; the gate to the source of all things eternal. Listen to Her voice; hear it echo though creation. Without fail, She reveals her presence; without fail, She brings us to our own perfection."

Tao Te Ching, by Lao Tzu, Translated by Jonathan Star

Something formless, complete in itself; there before Heaven and Earth; tranquil, vast, standing alone, unchanging. It provides for all things yet cannot be exhausted; it is the mother of the universe. I do not know its name, so I call it "Tao". Forced to name it further, I call it "the greatness of all thing", "the end of all endings"; I call it "that which is beyond the beyond", "that to which all things return". From Tao comes all greatness - it makes Heaven great, it makes Earth great, it makes man great.

Tao Te Ching, by Lao Tzu, Translated by Jonathan Star