Trifertes Sagani

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Of course this is speculation since I have no idea what others are doing.

Wishing you all the best with your latest venture Mr. Mixer.

 

[Christophorus]

Hello EM.

First of all, I wish you the best in the battle you are about to take!

I've been studying also some processes that deal with the dew and it's salt because in my perspective it applies to the works i'm currently developing too. Although I believe it can produce a stone I found it extremely long (considering zero fails and knowing what one is doing). Sure today we don't need to exchange the vases between new barrels with horse dung, but from the specific stoppers to be used that have to be hand made (the ones that permit it to exhale but not too much) to the number of vases you need to use with different samples etc. I find it very hard to perform. You need a lot of salts, from hundreds of liters gathered in the correct time of the year... let it putrify... gather the "gelly"... work it, get the salts... work te salts etc. All this will take months, and the matter it's not even in the flasks.As I sayd, I find it extremely long and hard to perform without someone to teach you if the materias are still "green" or "mature" etc.

This book is very specific also about this matter

Another Error is in those, who seek for this Dissolvent in Dew and Rain Water, not considering, that this was designed only as Nourishment for the Vegetable, having but such a Portion of the Universal Fire in it, as might serve to dissolve the Salt Nitre of the Earth, and then the Vegetable Seed in order to a new Production; this Fire or Dissolver being Far Remiss to that of Animals, as that of Animals is to Minerals, cannot be the Philosophers Subject of this Dissolvent (...) for Life would be too short to extract it.

I believe this phrase "for Life would be too short to extract it" should not be taken literally. I believe that what he is saying is something like "I dont have the needed patience to perform all the previous and later works". Because he knew a faster way.

From: SANGUIS NATURAE

"For the Power and Virtue of this Living Fire is so great, that if
it were absent, the Elements would be dead, especially the Heaven, an’
Element which most of all stands in need of this Light. Having passed
through the Heaven, it comes into the Air, that great work this Element, and insinuateth it
self most intimately into it. In this Element the Virtue of this Fire doth
chiefly manifest itself; because in it is inspissated, and constituteth
the vital Air; which Air is thus agreeable to the Creatures, for
sustaining of Life. For this living Fire simply is not convenient for the
Creatures, nor yet the Simple Air; but Fire consealed with the most pure
part of the Air, and Air impregnated with the Coelestial living Fire; and
so they Constitute vital Airs, which every living Creature receiveth for
the Conservation of its life. This living Fire needeth the Soul of the
Elements, chiefly of the Air, which it makes use of for a VEHICLE, that
thereby it may more easily enter into the other Elements, that is to say
first the Water, a subtile and this Element, in which it is yet more
inspissated, and taketh a more gross Body of which it standeth in need for
irrorating of. all Terrestrial Things, especially Salts, Minerals and
Stones; all which need such irrigation; thus being clothed with a thick
garment, it passeth into the Earth, a dark & thick Element, and of a very
powerful fixing Virtue; and there it puts on a saline Body, which
predominates over all things, and contains the rest of the Principles,
which it had received in the Air, Heaven & Water(...)

I tend to agree... Through the action of Fire, Air transforms itself into Water. Water then permeates Earth.
I think the links between fire, air and water (the first "substantial" element), I mean the natural process that allows this to happen, hold an important key regarding how the SM used the Vehicle. Fire and Water don't mix they need a mediator.

Fire and Water don't mix... each one pulls to the opposite side. They create tension. Always found it interesting that "SM" in the coat of arms placed on the "chariot" or "vehicle" that carries the "king".

C.

 

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It is the Alchemists work to assist Nature by uniting the Fire with the Water.

The Fire and Water spoken of here are both Alchemic not common fire or water.

As I have said before that working with Rain, Dew can not give you anything to work with in the lab.

Usually any SM in river, lake, pond or well is used up by it's surroundings so no SM will be collected there.

Nature has already done all the collecting and concentrating over millennia.

The Alchemist has only to harvest natures crop that is concentrated and complete.

 

[elixirmixer]

@Christophorus

I would love to talk about this more with you, however I fear I would do you more harm than good before I have some more practical verification of what i am doing myself.

So many times I thought I knew what I was doing. I mean I think I was often right more than I was wrong, but I didn't have what it takes to get the job done. Life kept getting in the way.

I think it is worth your time to understand dew. It's certainly useless to achieve anything practically special, but the lessons learnt from it/about it could be vital to success in the future.

I've often said that if I could go back and do it all again, I wish I had just started with dew and salt rather than herbs.

 

[Seraphim]

Thanks for sharing everyone.



"Observe the Dissolution of this for long Life, must be in a gentle heat like that of the Sun in the Spring and after that digested in a like heat till the Oyl and Water be united into an Essential Salt"

 

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I've often said that if I could go back and do it all again, I wish I had just started with dew and salt rather than herbs.

Hey Mr. Mixer, I see you are still talking about dew.

How can I make this subject any clearer

Imagine trying to extract a single photon of SM from a drop of water, now think about
how many drops of water or dew that have fallen on the earth over Millions of years.

Most of this rain or dew is absorbed into the earth and collected by natural SM magnets, this is natures great crop of SM that has been accumulating in the earth and continues
to grow every day ... only nature can do this as she has the time ... Man in his allotted time does not.

Collecting SM from dew or rainwater is like collecting a bucket of this water and trying to extract a carrot or a potato.

Can you see how ridiculous this thinking is ?

But if you view SM as carrots or potatoes growing in the earth then you can go to the
field and harvest as much as you want.

Nature has tended the crop, performing All The Work of concentration required.

 

[elixirmixer]

Yes I agree. I am not working with dew.

I am making Dew from something that is found in the earth that has collected there. Although... probably still in a different place to where you have found it. I am not sure how good the concentration levels are.

My objective right now is to extract the Central Salt of Metals. I am not completely sure what to do with it after I obtain it, but I am quite certain that obtain it I shall.

 

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Yes I agree. I am not working with dew.

I am making Dew from something that is found in the earth that has collected there. Although... probably still in a different place to where you have found it. I am not sure how good the concentration levels are.

My objective right now is to extract the Central Salt of Metals. I am not completely sure what to do with it after I obtain it, but I am quite certain that obtain it I shall.

It would appear you have learnt something useful from Trifertes Ssagani.

Great to see you starting to look in the more positive areas.

If you collect it from the correct magnets, then it's concentration is at a maximum and
it will dissolve completely a small piece of gold.

 

[elixirmixer]

what do i do with the salt to turn it into a solvent though? Just dry distill it?

 

[elixirmixer]

Ah wait. I take that back. I am just goign to use "philosophical deliquesce"

(edit) also sorry I havent read Trifertes Ssagani, but i will!

 

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Ah wait. I havent read Trifertes Sagani, but i will!

Just think what might have transpired if you had read Trifertes Sagani 15 or so years ago ... reading, praying and lab work are all important.

Pretending and Guessing won't get anyone any SM ... no matter how many lives they live.

 

[elixirmixer]

Okay okay... reading now

 

[elixirmixer]

Okay yeah you are totally right this document would have saved me years

 

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Okay yeah you are totally right this document would have saved me years

If at first you don't succeed.... read, read, read, pray then do some work.

 

[elixirmixer]

I must say there is a good reason i dont read these text very often anymore. They are very de-motivating. Like even if I know a little.. they span so many deep and mysterious topics that the whole thing just become such an intensive grind. Like wtf does it mean that the Alkheist and the Philosophers mercury are both different and this is different to the secret solvent aswell? how many fkn secrets do i need to penetrate to make this happen! Urgh!

 

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Urgh!

Mr. mixer when you read and pray, only think and ask about one thing ... SM.

All the other terms will just confuse you ... the first and only thing you need now is SM.

And congrats for reading Trifertes Sagani, if you continue to read it many times more over the years, hopefully you will notice how it changes.

 

[elixirmixer]

Okay help me out here.....

So

If i take SM in its salt form and I cause dissolution with some type of liquid like water or alcohol then I get the Alkahest.
If i take SM in its salt form and cause it to ferment via more mercury I get Mercury of the Philosophers
However, neither of these are the secret solvent.
To get the secret solvent I need to further work the Mercury of the Philosophers so as to create a solvent that is now immortal that loses no virtue of its own when it imparts virtues to other things....

Is this roughly the idea?

And so will young SM just dissolve gold? Or does it need to be matured and concentrated before it is going to show any signs as to proving what it is?

 

[Kiorionis]

I must say there is a good reason i dont read these text very often anymore. They are very de-motivating. Like even if I know a little.. they span so many deep and mysterious topics that the whole thing just become such an intensive grind. Like wtf does it mean that the Alkheist and the Philosophers mercury are both different and this is different to the secret solvent aswell? how many fkn secrets do i need to penetrate to make this happen! Urgh!

I recently read a great book: “Agriculture Course” by Rudolf Steiner.

Why is it a great book? Because he talks about the forces at play in the plant kingdom. How Silica radiates with astral light, and how carbon is (in his words) the stone of the wise.

Highly recommend it. Audiobook is only $15 USD

https://www.amazon.com/Agriculture-...olf+steiner+agriculture&qid=1639589736&sr=8-5

 

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Okay help me out here.....

So

If i take SM in its salt form and I cause dissolution with some type of liquid like water or alcohol then I get the Alkahest.
If i take SM in its salt form and cause it to ferment via more mercury I get Mercury of the Philosophers
However, neither of these are the secret solvent.
To get the secret solvent I need to further work the Mercury of the Philosophers so as to create a solvent that is now immortal that loses no virtue of its own when it imparts virtues to other things....

Is this roughly the idea?

And so will young SM just dissolve gold? Or does it need to be matured and concentrated before it is going to show any signs as to proving what it is?

Mr. Mixer ... these questions are so mixed up and confused.

I have just told you to think about one thing ONLY .... SM.

If you make "it" ... the answers may come.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

Once you've read the Trifertes Sagani, I find it helpful to meditate on this video:

Followed by this one:

 

[elixirmixer]

Mr. Mixer ... these questions are so mixed up and confused.

I have just told you to think about one thing ONLY .... SM.

If you make "it" ... the answers may come.

Yeah im going to make it today straight after work. No sweat

 

[Christophorus]

Hello EM

Any update?

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

Why is is that so many of these authors say that they will be MORE open, MORE revealing and MORE clear than any other authors before them, yet then say even less about the first matter than any other author before them??? What's the point?

Are they just hiding behind their own ignorance?

 

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Why is is that so many of these authors say that they will be MORE open, MORE revealing and MORE clear than any other authors before them,

I think that most of the old masters are writing to other Alchemists and basically saying "Hey, I'm here".

Perhaps they are writing more clearly than any other before them ... only a true Alchemist or Adept would be able to say.

They all understand and speak the same Alchemic language and without being privy to this everyone else is left in the dark.

The big question is ... how or where do we learn this language ?

yet then say even less about the first matter than any other author before them??? What's the point?

Only by knowing the First Matter would we be able to understand their perspective on what they are writing and then we may well agree with them.

Are they just hiding behind their own ignorance?

I'm very sure they know exactly and precisely what they are writing about.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

How Silica radiates with astral light, and how carbon is (in his words) the stone of the wise.

For what it's worth:

I'm not a drinker, but when I've had bad hangovers in the past, I've taken activated charcoal (carbon) as a remedy. A few years ago, I had a bad hangover in someone's house and they gave me a carbon alternative, it was a powdered silica packet, just mix with water and drink. I was very surprised, but it did work. It was a commercial Ukrainian remedy for hangovers.

One more thing, I do have ultra fast recipes to the stone. One of them can be done in as little as a few hours. But even with a concise recipe to the Stone, most won't be able to do it.

You can probably bounce a soccer ball on your foot a few times before it hits the floor. But try doing that with a fresh egg, how many times can you do it without breaking the egg? It's the same with the Stone, there are so many variables even with the ultra quick and easy way that unless you are granted the Stone by God, you won't get it done even if you have the recipe in your hand.

Some more food for thought:

It occurred to me that each multiplication of the Stone is a death and a resurrection. And since to make the Stone you must become the Stone, it seems that you must die and resurrect for each multiplication in parallel as you perform the multiplications. This is possible, it has been done before, but it's a deep mystery. Just my latest thoughts on the subject.