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Trifertes Sagani

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Trifertes Sagani, or Immortal Dissolvent, being a brief ... discourse of the matter and manner of preparing the Liquor Alkahest of Helmont, the Great Hilech of Paracelsus, the Sal Circulatum Minus of Ludovicus de Comit: or our Fiery Spirit of the Four Elements. Together with its use in preparing magisteries, arcana's quintessences, and other secret medicines of the adepts, from the animal, vegetable or mineral kingdom.
By Cleidophorus Mystagogus

"I have passed through the drought and Scorching beat of the Day, and also through the cold and Chilling Frosts of the Night"
 

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Thanks, Christoporus!
 

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Hi Christophorus

The Trifertes Sagani is a very good guidance.

It may clear some of the grey areas for you.

Have you read it through yet ?
 

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Thanks for sharing.

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"This Distinction and Process cannot be rightly understood by any, but an Adeptus Duplicatus for to the obtaining of this Spirit of Wine the Work is one, and is Performed by the concurring help of an Assistant; otherwise 'twill be impossible to be obtained but being gotten, the difference Consists in the Forcible way of dissolving the Body and the Natural by the Spirit of Wine, to extract the first Ens of Mercury, in which the Blood is united and Cleansed, and so brought to the gentle or Benignent Fire of Nature, which is one with Central Salt Nitre and also the Magical Sol; for it unites to the Center with a wonderful Fermentative Power: Now this Spirit of Mercury or Mercurial Fire and Oyl, is by Artephius not improperly called the Vinegar of the Mountains, and by Paracelsus the most sharp Metalline Acetum; for it performs that which common Fire could never do, vizt. dissolves the Body in Preservation of the Form, and brings it to a Spirit, to be exalted aloft in the Air, where Celestial Purity, and the strengthening Multiplicative Vertue is; that Spirit, will again return to and unite with the Body, which Circulation is continued till the Universal Mercury, has extracted the universal Sulphur, and then is it truly and properly called the Circulatum Majus, or Alkahest, as thou pleasest, the Name being proper to the Elixir it self..."
 

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Thanks for sharing.

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"This Distinction and Process cannot be rightly understood by any, but an Adeptus Duplicatus for to the obtaining of this Spirit of Wine the Work is one, and is Performed by the concurring help of an Assistant; otherwise 'twill be impossible to be obtained but being gotten, the difference Consists in the Forcible way of dissolving the Body and the Natural by the Spirit of Wine, to extract the first Ens of Mercury, in which the Blood is united and Cleansed, and so brought to the gentle or Benignent Fire of Nature, which is one with Central Salt Nitre and also the Magical Sol; for it unites to the Center with a wonderful Fermentative Power: Now this Spirit of Mercury or Mercurial Fire and Oyl, is by Artephius not improperly called the Vinegar of the Mountains, and by Paracelsus the most sharp Metalline Acetum; for it performs that which common Fire could never do, vizt. dissolves the Body in Preservation of the Form, and brings it to a Spirit, to be exalted aloft in the Air, where Celestial Purity, and the strengthening Multiplicative Vertue is; that Spirit, will again return to and unite with the Body, which Circulation is continued till the Universal Mercury, has extracted the universal Sulphur, and then is it truly and properly called the Circulatum Majus, or Alkahest, as thou pleasest, the Name being proper to the Elixir it self..."
You, Seraphim have a talent for selecting interesting pieces.

"Adeptus Duplicatus" ....
 

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Welcome people, but it's really google's work. I just found it today :)

Hi Christophorus

The Trifertes Sagani is a very good guidance.

It may clear some of the grey areas for you.

Have you read it through yet ?

Hello black.

Just finish the first reading.
The difference between the alkahest and the mercury of the philosophers, one being natural and the other artificial is very interesting.
There are other things that I highlight in the book. Some are in concordance with my current understanding, others I'm working on it!

Thanks for sharing.

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"This Distinction and Process cannot be rightly understood by any, but an Adeptus Duplicatus for to the obtaining of this Spirit of Wine the Work is one, and is Performed by the concurring help of an Assistant; otherwise 'twill be impossible to be obtained but being gotten, the difference Consists in the Forcible way of dissolving the Body and the Natural by the Spirit of Wine, to extract the first Ens of Mercury, in which the Blood is united and Cleansed, and so brought to the gentle or Benignent Fire of Nature, which is one with Central Salt Nitre and also the Magical Sol; for it unites to the Center with a wonderful Fermentative Power: Now this Spirit of Mercury or Mercurial Fire and Oyl, is by Artephius not improperly called the Vinegar of the Mountains, and by Paracelsus the most sharp Metalline Acetum; for it performs that which common Fire could never do, vizt. dissolves the Body in Preservation of the Form, and brings it to a Spirit, to be exalted aloft in the Air, where Celestial Purity, and the strengthening Multiplicative Vertue is; that Spirit, will again return to and unite with the Body, which Circulation is continued till the Universal Mercury, has extracted the universal Sulphur, and then is it truly and properly called the Circulatum Majus, or Alkahest, as thou pleasest, the Name being proper to the Elixir it self..."

An artist that was able to conquer the mercury of the phil. and the alkaest? That was my understanding.

See you later;
C.
 

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What is written here in Chapter 1, every searcher into this Great Art should reflect upon at length.
IMHO ..... :)

Chapter I
Concerning the Mistake of those who sought this Liquor in wrong Subjects and by wrong Ways.

It is a Saying worthy of Observation, that the Industrious Hand makes Rich; so is it in all manner of Trades and Convers in the World; so it is in Art; but this Industry must be upon a tight Foundation, and, set in the Chymical Art, from a Foreknowledge of Adequate Causes; unto which it is impossible to attain without we are enlightened by that Wisdom, which comes from above, as a Ray from the Holy Heavens and Throne of the Divine Glory;
for it is she, that must Conduct us in all our Labors to make them Acceptable to the Great God; well therefore might the wise Man esteem of her before Riches, and Prizes Understanding above the Merchandise of Silver, Gold, and Precious Stones, because she is the true Conductor to the ways of Peace and Pleasantness; nay even to that Tree of Life, where Substance is to be Inherited:

For that she Opens the Door of Entrance to all Mysteries Divine and Natural; and consequently without her Men grope, as it were, in the dark, even as a Blind Man does at Noon-day;
for Nature’s Hand-maid was Created by him, and Job says, that God by his Spirit has garnished the Heavens, His Hand has formed the crooked Serpent; and though there is a Spirit in Man, yet it is the

Inspiration of the Almighty that gives Understanding, whence we may readily Conceive, that Human Reason is too short to Comprehend the Dignity of any true Mystery without the Aid of God’s Spirit.

This great Defect is too evidently apparent from the deplorable Case of the Chymical Searchers, concerning the Subject Matter of this Discourse; seeing they know not where to ground or fix their Intentions in the choice of a proper Subject, but frames each to himself a different Basis, and so make an Innumerable Number of Errors concerning the same:

This Imaginary Matter, which Phantasy only has given Birth to, they defend with all the eagerness imaginable, concluding it to be the Genuine Offspring of Truth; when, alas!

It is but a Bastard brat of their own wandering Imaginations and ungrounded Thoughts, as in the Conclusion proves too Evident:

This is an Absurdity so great, so common, that amongst the many Pretenders, I have never met with more than three that have escaped it:

How then can it possibly be expected, that such should ever Arrive at the wished for Haven of Rest, when Ignorant both of the way and means by which they must come thither;

for the .... Door of Entrance .... must not only be known, but also the Key which opens the same, .........without which they may never expect Admittance into nature’s Treasury:

Therefore consequently must still remain in the horrible Mist of Errors; the most principal that have come Athwart me I shall here lay down and reckon for Convincing of the Giddy-headed and Rash Searcher,

....... but more Principally for the Edifying and Building up of a Son of Art. :D
 

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You, Seraphim have a talent for selecting interesting pieces.

"Adeptus Duplicatus" ....

Thank you Black for your kind words. What is the meaning of "Adeptus Duplicatus"?

An artist that was able to conquer the mercury of the phil. and the alkaest? That was my understanding.

Thanks Christophorus. What is the difference?

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"In a Word, this Fire or Liquor resolves all Vegetables, Animals and Minerals, into their first Ens, and in such Concretes as Contain in them Heterogenities, it doth discover and sever ( that it makes separable ) the same.

But observe, this dissolution is not perform'd like that, which is made with the Mercury of the Philosophers for that dissolves Bodies by way of Generation, but this by way of Destruction, in that it separates between the Central Mercury, and Sulphur of Bodies, and altho' they are very prevalent as to Medicines, yet are they totally bereaved and divested from any generative Power; so that 'twill be in vain for any to expect, Generation therefrom, seeing the Liquor it self is prepared by the way of Wrath; and so it dissolves Bodies; therefore called Ignis Gehenna, the Fire of Hell; but the Medicines prepared by it surpassing others, I shall give you some Particular Examples of it, first of such, as are of an Inferior Rank, as to Preparation and then of those more difficult and Noble."
 
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Thank you Black for your kind words. What is the meaning of "Adeptus Duplicatus"?

An Alchemist may be Divinely gifted the Philosophers Stone but an Adept Alchemist has the Understanding and Knowledge of the Two Parts (Adeptus Duplicatus) of Advanced Alchemy.
 
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Here again this book hands down to us the knowledge of the great Alchemists, it is written most clearly :

"Another Error is in those, who seek for this Dissolvent in Dew and Rain Water, not considering, that this was designed only as Nourishment for the Vegetable, having but such a Portion of the Universal Fire in it, as might serve to dissolve the Salt Nitre of the Earth, and then the Vegetable Seed in order to a new Production; this Fire or Dissolver being Far Remiss to that of Animals, as that of Animals is to Minerals, cannot be the Philosophers Subject of this Dissolvent,........ for Life would be too short to extract it".
 

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Here again this book hands down to us the knowledge of the great Alchemists, it is written most clearly :

"Another Error is in those, who seek for this Dissolvent in Dew and Rain Water, not considering, that this was designed only as Nourishment for the Vegetable, having but such a Portion of the Universal Fire in it, as might serve to dissolve the Salt Nitre of the Earth, and then the Vegetable Seed in order to a new Production; this Fire or Dissolver being Far Remiss to that of Animals, as that of Animals is to Minerals, cannot be the Philosophers Subject of this Dissolvent,........ for Life would be too short to extract it".

Hi Black

Obviously there are are different schools of thinking in the alchemical tradition. And it is not uncommon for them to bash each other. But the adepts that actually know the entire way to our Stone are rare and far between. So I take all this with a grain of salt nitre. :D

I have been looking into using dew in earlier years, as suggested by Canseliet and the Mutus Liber respectively. Rain water is interesting too, allured to by Kirchweger's Aurea Catena Homeri and others in his wake. I suppose that water treated in a certain fashion might assume characteristics that make it some kind of universal solvent. There seem to be several ways in advanced alchemy to achieve results, and perhaps one day a unified theory will demonstrate that they are all parts of a single golden elephant.

That being said, I am indeed currently more focussed on working with metals and other substances of mineralic origin directly. It seems to me that this is in line with the medieval European alchemists especially. Their works are the foundation of Western alchemy, effectively, and I suppose they must have known what they were talking about.

Of course, it's yet another question how you interpret their writings. Opinions on this vary a great deal, but personally, I believe that the adepts of that period were often more outspoken than given credit for, perhaps just leaving out - or vague - this or that crucial detail of the Great Work. We moderns may tend to complicate things by reading things into them that they never intended.

A blessed advent season,

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Of course, it's yet another question how you interpret their writings. Opinions on this vary a great deal, but personally, I believe that the adepts of that period were often more outspoken than given credit for, perhaps just leaving out - or vague - this or that crucial detail of the Great Work. We moderns may tend to complicate things by reading things into them that they never intended.
Hi Michael

Most of the old Alchemic writings have a twist, like an optical illusion ... it's about looking at it from the correct perception or state of mind and also at the processes involved.

SM is something that can be accumulated in the earth and nature does this over millions of years .... this is the crop that nature tends for the Alchemist to harvest when he needs.

As is stated here in Trifertes Sagani rain and dew only contain the most miniscule amounts of SM for the feeding of the plants, so this is the wrong end of the SM spectrum for the Alchemist to be working on.
 

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Hi Michael

Most of the old Alchemic writings have a twist, like an optical illusion ... it's about looking at it from the correct perception or state of mind and also at the processes involved.

SM is something that can be accumulated in the earth and nature does this over millions of years .... this is the crop that nature tends for the Alchemist to harvest when he needs.

As is stated here in Trifertes Sagani rain and dew only contain the most miniscule amounts of SM for the feeding of the plants, so this is the wrong end of the SM spectrum for the Alchemist to be working on.

What do you make of the Mutus Liber then? Is it depicting an inefficient process? Or are the pictures showing the collection and processing of dew just allegorical in your book?
 

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What do you make of the Mutus Liber then?
Not much at all.

Is it depicting an inefficient process?
Yes a process that cannot be used to collect enough SM to be used in an Alchemic laboratory.
As Trifertes Sagani states ... "Life would be too short to extract it".

Or are the pictures showing the collection and processing of dew just allegorical in your book?
I have never seen any Alchemic value in the Mutus Liber.
 

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For those with an open mind and are looking to expand their understanding
of Alchemy, Trifertes Sagani offers up more to think upon :

"It is true Alkalizated Salts are noble Subjects, and deservedly claim Pre-eminence, being Contra distinct to all Acids, and therefore make a Dissolvent next to the great Liquor; but these can never be Volatilized without the Universal Medium, or Philosophers’ Diploma,

together with Essential Oils and Vinous Spirits, and being so Volatilized, they become noble Spirits,
yet do notwithstanding spend their Virtue in Dissolving Bodies, and Coagulate upon them into a Salt, retaining their Volatility;

so that consequently those are excluded from being the Subject of this Immortal Dissolvent".
 

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I just thought maybe Mutus Liber might have been a decent place to learn about that, is all.
 

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I just thought maybe Mutus Liber might have been a decent place to learn about that, is all.

A lot of Alchemical aspirants believe they can put deliquescing salts out over night and collect copious amounts of SM ... this is not going to happen, nothing you could ever work with in the lab.
 

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Mr. Black, What do you think about the concept of the Central Salt? Do you think that this salt, extracted from the mineral realm, has the qualities needed to take the work further? rather than dew?
 

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Mr. Black, What do you think about the concept of the Central Salt? Do you think that this salt, extracted from the mineral realm, has the qualities needed to take the work further?
Yes most definitely, many of the old masters wrote about a variety of Salts that could be utilized to
"take the Work further". e.g. Dr. Glauber.

rather than dew?

Read again and again and again .... [what I wrote earlier...] ;)
 

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Okay. After some extensive reading, I feel like I may have taken my first step towards real alchemy. Should have the central salt pretty soon. Could probably gather it today but Im being a bit OCD about the extraction method.

"Dew on steroids" as it were.
 

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Okay. After some extensive reading, I feel like I may have taken my first step towards real alchemy.



Lol ;):p

I jest, of course. I hope you perform and see results that connect the dots for you and progress you along the path. :)


~Seth-Ra
 

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Ahahaha Yeah I know i've said this many times. Alchemy is a bitch its true.

And it's true. Everytime I have said it, I have been in a similar place, but for whatever reason I get de-railed by some other path or some other musing.

However, after many iterations of the Alchemic bipolar, all the paths have just become different ways of doing the same thing in my mind. And now I feel like i have a solid enough foundational understanding that I could just about accomplish this using anything given enough time, and I also believe that I know some particular substances that work significantly better than others.

Still havent mastered the purist Andro way yet, but Finally I can proceed with the poor mans path and get stuff happening. There's no stopping me now. I totally know what Im doing and the lab is set up better than ever before and even though im sure I could just do the extraction with regular water to get things going, i decided to extract the small amounts of water from a large amount of starting material first, in order to use that water to do the extraction. I also think that one of the problems people are facing is that they progress too quickly with the work, and do not allow time for our Dew to become Super-charged, right in the very first process. Of course this is speculation since I have no idea what others are doing.