Time Traveling

[Awani]

Parallel Universe Time Traveling

An idea I had a few years ago...

The greatest, and most valid, argument against time travel is the fact that it is completely impossible mainly because time does not, sensibly, exist - and even if it did there is the problem with the paradox to deal with.

It is a widespread agreement, though, that there are three dimensions (height, width and depth). To these scientists and philosophers have added several more dimensions.

The fourth dimension, for instance, is considered to be time. Which is strange since time doesn’t exist. The universe is not a computer program that you, if an error is made, can go back several commands to rectify.

If it exists as a human perception, or as a universal law, can be debated for many hours and certainly not here and now. Let’s just declare that mesured time is quite silly and that the time that passes during a person’s life is a time that did exist and still exist as a constant force of change and/or of immobility.

To be able to percive more than three dimensions a being with the mind of Homo Sapiens, or more evolved, need to exist. To live in a three-dimensional world perception is necessary, but to live in the same world and understand it perception is essential.

When all the dimensions co-exist they become one because when everything is there is only one. That is why the universe is one-dimensional (and it has nothing to do with narrow-mindedness), as well as being multi-dimensional at the same time. Everything is nothing.

Now to be able to travel into the past wihout causing a paradox the time traveller will have to travel into a parallel universe. Into a dimension, or more specific, the dimension closest to the one the traveller is leaving.

A parallel world is very similar to ours. It can differ in minute details. Perhaps everything green is red, or rain is called snow or some other ridicilous possibility. Essentially, though, the world will practically be the same. And since it is, and yet is not, the time traveller will not induce a paradox but will in a sense enter the past. But how can one enter the past if time doesn’t exist?

To make it easy to comprehend imagine that our universe is a train of infinite length moving forward on a neverending track. Then picture yourself being born inside one of the wagons of this train. During your life, as you grow older, you move forwards within this train and as you do each wagon behind you is locked.

There are now five different experiences of time taking place at the same time:

1. The time experienced by you inside the train.
2. The clock that measures the time in the train.
3. The time the train (the world) itself experience.
4. The time outside the train.
5. The time in other trains on parallel tracks (+ all the time experiences in all the other trains etc).

Then one day you somehow manage to construct a machine that can make you jump of this train. As you float in the void you will see the train pass you. If you now would try to re-enter it, it would not be possible since time has passed and the wagons are locked, and even if you could there would be a paradox, but if you would enter another train that travels next to yours (a parallel world) then a paradox will not occur and its wagon would not be locked if you enter into that specific trains present time - which in comparison to your train is the past.

There are, like at Grand Central Station, many traintracks and many trains side by side. The closer a train is to your train the closer it will resemble your train.

Unfortunatley there is two great setbacks by travelling into the past of a parallel universe:

1. The various trains (parallel universes) may differ in length so be careful where you enter, it might be the end of that universe.
2. You can never return from whence you came.

 

[microwatt]

If you time travel to ancient Egypt and meet a great Pharoh in exchange for your bic lighter he offered you 50lbs of gold or 1 gram of a mysterious red powder. which one would you take? and he didnt tell you what the powder was.

 

[Lakshmana]

Red powder

 

[Jahara]

The red powder for sure...

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Turns out the red powder was the remains of the unlit match traded to him by the last time traveler after the wood had rotted away to nothing. Turns out the pharaoh really liked fire but really 50 lbs for a Bic lighter?

Even if the powder was the red stone you would have to know how to augment it or multiply it which means you would have to know how it was composed in the first place. So the powder would not do you any more good than simply taking the 50lbs of gold and possibly leave you much worse for wear.

At least in my rendition of this thought you have posted!

 

[Jimmy Rig]

So I would take the gold. No questions asked, if I cannot make any powders myself, I am not too interested.

 

[microwatt]

of course for a bic lighter. think about the astounding ability to create fire with the flick of a thumb. It is a miracle that science has been able to harness many technologies in creation of the lighter. you have your pressurized flammable gas in an injection molded container along with a valve that meters the output. the spark is generated by an alloy of rare earth metals and a knurled knob. All of this fits in the palm of a hand.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Yes, when put into its proper context a bic lighter is quite the marvel.

However.. a man or woman with some knowledge can produce the same result (fire) with a carving tool (rock or knife) a stick and a flat piece of wood. And this can easily be improved upon via a bow & cordage.

A man or woman with even more knowledge can invent the bic lighter or phosphorus coated matches, or magnifying glass etc

A man or woman with divine knowledge can manifest the stone.

To me, the convenience of the lighter does not make it outweigh the knowledge of how to produce fire by other means i.e. friction or otherwise.

That was my basic point about the powder, its convenient if you can barter for some, but once it runs out you are no further ahead than before. Same goes with the lighter fluid in said lighter.

Anyways, I still would choose the gold!

 

[black]

Even if the powder was the red stone you would have to know how to augment it or multiply it which means you would have to know how it was composed in the first place.

I totally agree Jimmy ... it's like having 2 buckets full of SM.

It's no use to you if you don't have it's Equal and know exactly what to do with it.

 

[Michael Sternbach]

Interesting baseline! Alright, let me see...

Obviously, the red powder could be nothing more than a sample of chili powder brought to Egypt from Bolivia along with the cocaine that was found in certain mummies. Of huge historical interest, to be sure, but hardly worth 50lbs of gold.

However, if it was actually the Philosopher's Stone, 1 gram might be sufficient to make me immortal. Also, it could be subjected to spectral analysis and what-have-you back home.

So first off, I would ask the pharaoh for permission to hold my pendulum over it. (This may seem like sort of a tricky move, but after all, he didn't just behead me and take my Bic lighter away, so he seems to have at least a basic understanding of fair play.)

And if the red powder tests positively as being the Philosopher's Stone, not only will I favour it over the gold, but offer to throw in three refill canisters in case the good man agrees to sharing with me how it was manufactured.

 

[black]

So first off, I would ask the pharaoh for permission to hold my pendulum over it.

Good thinking Michael.

The practice of the pendulum is not used enough ... in my opinion.

 

[Michael Sternbach]

Good thinking Michael.

Thanks, Black.

The practice of the pendulum is not used enough ... in my opinion.

I use it all the time.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

I guess this is getting off topic a bit but we used a version of the pendulum to ask about the sex of our children before they where born.
We used a strand of the mothers hair (my wife) as the line and a wedding ring as the weight.

It was consistently accurate.

Michael, I must commend you on your outside the box thinking in regards to negotiating with the pharaoh.
Maybe you could take it a step farther and ask to become his disciple or perhaps squire and who knows what you might discover!

What an imaginal journey microwatt has started here!

 

[microwatt]

Good thinking Michael.

The practice of the pendulum is not used enough ... in my opinion.

I do not think the pendulum will test positive for stone. The king might be testing your wisdom. He knows a fool will choose the gold 100/100 but a wise man will know that the stone exists. Kings love wise men.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

I do not think the pendulum will test positive for stone. The king might be testing your wisdom. He knows a fool will choose the gold 100/100 but a wise man will know that the stone exists. Kings love wise men.

Oh in that case I would take the powder, nobody enjoys to be called a fool. (You did not state that the red powder was the stone in your introduction.)

if you time traveled to ancient Egypt and met a great Pharoh in exchange for your bic lighter he offered you 50lbs of gold or 1 gram of a mysterious red powder. which one would you take? and he didnt tell you what the powder was.

I will also note that a wise man will not throw pearls before swine.

I will reiterate that the topic is an interesting one regardless

 

[Michael Sternbach]

I guess this is getting off topic a bit but we used a version of the pendulum to ask about the sex of our children before they where born.
We used a strand of the mothers hair (my wife) as the line and a wedding ring as the weight.

It was consistently accurate.

Michael, I must commend you on your outside the box thinking in regards to negotiating with the pharaoh.

Thanks, Jimmy. I am fond of redefining the rules of the game and introducing further options when I see a chance to do so.

Maybe you could take it a step farther and ask to become his disciple or perhaps squire and who knows what you might discover!

On top of that, being a time traveler, I might qualify as his personal prophet. Thus optimising my position in the court and being granted access to his other experts and library.

What an imaginal journey microwatt has started here!

 

[Michael Sternbach]

I do not think the pendulum will test positive for stone.

You're right, the pendulum does nothing by itself. It is just a tool to objectify the intuitive knowledge of its holder.

The king might be testing your wisdom. He knows a fool will choose the gold 100/100 but a wise man will know that the stone exists. Kings love wise men.

The supposition being that your 'mysterious red powder' is actually the Philosopher's Stone. Not exactly a far stretch of the imagination for the members of an alchemy forum, is it?

So I considered the 'test' of wisdom was in dealing with the uncertainty inherent to the situation.

 

[Andro]

but really 50 lbs for a Bic lighter?

The Pharaoh probably wanted it for his Museum of Antiquities.

 

[microwatt]

maybe we can up the ante a bit and bring a machine gun and tell him to bring some slaves. To prevent him from double crossing us we hid the rest of ammo in a undisclosed location. When dealing with powerful people you need to be extra careful. I think there is a story of a guy who showed a king malleable glass and lost his head for it. so lets find out how to safely get our stone form him without dying.

 

[Andro]

so lets find out how to safely get our stone form him without dying.

You said we don't know if it's the "stone" or not.

Also, all this military special ops extravaganza for a Bic lighter deal where you don't even know exactly what's behind door number two?? Kind of overkill, wouldn't you say?

 

[Jimmy Rig]

If I could time travel, I would probably get front row seats to the sea of Galilee when Jesus walked on the water.
Now imagine microwatt if your plan backfired and you just introduced to the pharaoh and his specialists and advisors in the various arts the modern gun.
What a whirlwind of changes would be coming to earth prematurely!

To prevent him from double crossing us we hid the rest of ammo in a undisclosed location.

(We decided to leave the extra ammo in 2022 where the pharoah will never find it!)

I wonder what sort of weapons they had available in this imaginary ancient Egypt?

I am a firm believer that a skilled bowman as an example would probably come out on top against an un-skilled guns man.

I would arrive with a bouquet of the nicest flowers I can afford. Kindly trade with the pharaoh the bic lighter i picked up from the same pharmacy which sold the flowers and depart briskly back to 2022 where I can sell the gold for a neat profit of around 1.4m usd and fund my own expedition to Egypt to discover what the powder was and at the very least I got to visit Egypt for a little "Now and Then" comparison. Alternatively I can even set myself up with a humble lab off grid somewhere and not have to worry about much for a while except the great work and spending time with my family.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

This is one of the best threads we have had in a while IMO all good fun!

 

[microwatt]

I would use my iphone to take video of them building the great pyramid. just imagine coming back to 21st century with hour long video of that!! most will say its fake. but i dont doubt that serious researchers will examine how the large stone were quarried, lifted and put into place. I still think that a simple bic lighter would get the attention of the king. we just need to learn the language of the egyptians and speak with that accent.

 

[Kibric]

Are you swept up in day dreams?
Fantasy of thought.
We all are.
This is why we sleep.
You can't awake from a dream by having another one.
Are you not tired of your thoughts?

 

[Awani]

I really enjoyed this video. If you are interested in time travel it will entice you.