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Florius Frammel

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There is a very old mnemonic phrase from southern germany and austria:

"Margareta mit dem Wurm,
Barbara mit dem Turm,
Katharina mit dem Radl,
das sind die drei heiligen Madl."

Liberally translated:

"Margaret with the worm(dragon),
Barbara with the tower,
Catherine with the wheel,
those are the three holy girls."

Of course those are christian saints.

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However sources point to a pre-christian origin.

What I think is interesting, is that in accordance with the symbols established by Fulcanelli, we here have three very important alchemical objects in one sentence:

The secret solvent: Dragon/Worm
The athanor: Tower
The Wheel: (Rosé), Rotations

If you have some spare time it can also be interesting to read the stories of those virgin saints.
 
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New info for me. I wasn't aware of this. Thank you for sharing, FF!
 

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Thanks for sharing.

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Saint Margaret the Blessed Virgin and Martyr:

"Margaret is said of a precious gem, or ouche, that is named a margaret. Which gem is white, little and virtuous. So the blessed Margaret was white by virginity, little by humility, and virtuous by operation of miracles. The virtue of this stone is said to be against effusion of blood, against passion of the heart, and to confortation of the spirit. In like wise the blessed Margaret had virtue against shedding of her blood by constancy, for in her martyrdom she was most constant, and also against the passion of the heare, that is to say, temptation of the devil. For she overcame the devil by victory, and to the confortation of the spirit by doctrine, for by her doctrine she comforted much people, and converted to the faith of Christ. Theoteinus, a learned man, wrote her legend.

The Holy St. Margaret was of the city of Antioch, daughter of Theodosius, patriarch and prince of the idols of paynims. And she was delivered to a nurse for to be kept. And when she came to perfect age she was baptized, wherefor she was in great hate of her father.

On a certain day, when she was fifteen years of age, and kept the sheep of her nurse with other maidens, the provost Olybrius passed by the way whereas she was, and considered in her so great beauty and fairness, that anon he burned in her love, and sent his servants and bade them take her and bring her to him. For if she be free I shall take her to my wife, and if she be bond, I shall make her my concubine. And when she was presented tofore him he demanded her of her lineage, name and religion. And she answered that she was of noble lineage, and for her name Margaret, and Christian in religion. To whom the provost said: The two first things be convenient to thee, that is that thou art noble, and art called Margaret which is a most fair name, but the third appertaineth nothing to thee, that so fair a maid and so noble should have a God crucified. To whom she said: How knowest thou that Christ was crucified? He answered: By the books of Christian men. To whom Margaret said: O what shame is it to you, when you read the pain of Christ and the glory, and believe one thing and deny another. And she said and affirmed him to be crucified by his will for our redemption, and now liveth ever in bliss. And then the provost, being wroth, commanded her to be put in prison. And the next day following commanded that she should be brought to him, and then said to her: O good maid, have pity on thy beauty, and worship our gods, that thou mayest be well. To whom she said: I worship him that maketh the earth to tremble, whom the sea dreadeth and the winds and creatures obey. To whom the provost said: But if thou consent to me I shall make thy body to be all to-torn. To whom Margaret said: Christ gave himself over to the death for me, and I desire gladly to die for Christ. Then the provost commanded her to be hanged in an instrument to torment the people, and to be cruelly first beaten with rods, and with iron combs to rend and draw her flesh to the bones, insomuch that the blood ran about out of her body, like as a stream runneth out of a fresh springing well. They that were there wept, and said: O Margaret, verily we be sorry for thee, which see thy body so foul, and so cruelly torn and rent. O how thy most beauty hast thou lost for thy incredulity and misbelief. Now believe, and thou shalt live. Then said she to them: 0 evil counsellors, depart ye, and go from me, this cruel torment of my flesh is salvation of my soul. Then she said to the provost: Thou shameless hound and insatiable lion, thou hast power over my flesh, but Christ reserveth my soul. The provost covered his face with his mantle, for he might not see so much effusion of blood, and then commanded that she should be taken down, and to shut her fast in prison, and there was seen a marvellous brightness in the prison, of the keepers.

And whilst she was in prison, she prayed our Lord that the fiend that had fought with her, he would visibly show him unto her. And then appeared a horrible dragon and assailed her, and would have devoured her, but she made the sign of the cross, and anon he vanished away. And in another place it is said that he swallowed her into his belly, she making the sign of the cross. And the belly brake asunder, and so she issued out all whole and sound.

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This swallowing and breaking of the belly of the dragon is said that it is apocryphal.

After this the devil appeared to her in likeness of a man for to deceive her. And when she saw him, she went to prayer and after arose, and the fiend came to her, and took her by the hand and said: It sufficeth to thee that thou hast done, but now cease as to my person. She caught him by the head and threw him to the ground, and set her right foot on his neck saying: Lie still, thou fiend, under the feet of a woman. The devil then cried: O blessed Margaret, I am overcome. If a young man had overcome me I had not recked, but alas! I am overcome of a tender virgin; wherefore I make the more sorrow, for thy father and mother have been my good friends. She then constrained him to tell why he came to her, and he answered, that he came to her to counsel her for to obey the desire and request of the provost. Then she constrained him to say wherefore he tempted so much and so often Christian people. To whom he answered that naturally he hated virtuous men, and though we be oft put aback from them, yet our desire is much to exclude them from the felicity that they fell from, for we may never obtain never recover our bliss that we have lost. And she then demanded what he was, and he answered: I am Veltis, one of them whom Solomon closed in a vessel of brass. And after his death it happed that they of Babylon found this vessel; and supposed to have founden great treasure therein, and brake the vessel, and then a great multitude of us devils flew out and filled full the air alway, awaiting and espying where we may assail rightful men. And when he had said thus, she took off her foot and said to him: Flee hence, thou wretched fiend. And anon the earth opened, and the fiend sank in. Then she was sure, for when she had overcome the master, she might lightly overcome the minister.

Then the next day following, when all the people was assembled, she was presented tofore the judge. And she not doing sacrifice to their false gods, was cast into the fire, and her body broiled with burning brands, in such wise that the people marvelled that so tender a maid might suffer so many torments. And after that, they put her in a great vessel full of water, fast bounden, that by changing of the torments, the sorrow and feeling of the pain should be the more. But suddenly the earth trembled, and the air was hideous, and the blessed virgin without any hurt issued out of the water, saying to our Lord: I beseech thee, my Lord, that this water may be to me the font of baptism to everlasting life. And anon there was heard great thunder, and a dove descended from heaven, and set a golden crown on her head. Then five thousand men believed in our Lord, and for Christ's love they all were beheaded by the commandment of the provost Olybrius, that time in Campolymeath the city of Aurelia."

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Thanks for the nice post, Ser!

St. Barbara is also mentioned in Fulcanelli's cathedrales, especially the traditional habit that still is done by some people in Germany.

Fulcanelli obviously thought it's important to put something dead (a "dead" branch from a tree in winter) into a warm place (the athanor?) to let it "flower"(a movement that resembles that of a snake?).
 

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Notice here, that the tower becomes the Holy Grail and host, and the Dragon becomes the Holy Book (Torah since it has 5 golden coins on the cover):

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Nice find, Illen!

Maybe there is a way the Flickr image can be included in your post?

Here the drei heiligen Madl are depicted as daughters of (Philo) Sophia:

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The plot thickens ;-)
 

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In christian iconography the saints always are depicted with their "symbols" to recognize them.
Those symbols may in some cases change, depending on different aspects of their stories.

We already talked a bit about the differences of our three girls, now let's look at what they have in common: In most cases all three hold a sword in their hand. The sword is an interesting alchemical symbol, because it can mean a whole lot of things (agens, method/tool to kill the dragon and get its "blood", Iron, Antimony, fire, air, just to name a few).

In the christian context however the sword shows that the depicted person was a martyr. Martyrs usually refused to convert and stayed true to Christ, took the "Imitatio Christi" quite literally and got brutally tortured for that before they eventually died. This torture, as "Imitatio Christi" is what seems to be interesting for the alchemist. In the following image from the medieval alchemy book "Buch der heiligen Dreifaltigkeit" one can see some persons (including Jesus) who get tortured.

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other versions:

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Note that here we also see the wheel (and the guy on it seems to enjoy his torture), we haven't talked yet about St. Catherine..

The lovers of the Tarot might again see some similarities.

The connection between Jesus and the Stone is a widely spread and common motive in alchemical literature. Here the focus is on his last day, where he got tortured and then put on the crucifix (crucible) to die. Then after three days in the dark/ground he allegdly resurrected, obviously with new and superior power according to the bible.

In summary it's the same motive as in the tales of the three virgin saints, which have interesting variations.

The alchemists obviously thought that these parts would be important:

1° virgin
2° torture

Then we have:
a) Barbara held prison in the tower and the tradition on St Barbara's day to put a branch into the warm house.
b) Margaret being swallowed by the dragon and eventually came out of it in a better condition than before.
c) Catherine, who got tortured on the wheel. One might assume she had to go through several rotations.

Imo there are people throughout history (including Fulcanelli), who have seen allegories to the alchemical work in these images and tales.

NB. I am not talking about doing these kinds of things to yourself, or others. I'm writing this just in case, because I know talking about religious traditions nowadays may sometimes lead to strange conclusions by some people.
 
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:) Thank you for sharing Florius Frammel and Illen A Cluf. There are so many similarities, it’s like everything is connected by something.

I started reading a translation of "Fulcanelli: Le Mystere des Cathedrales" by Mary Sworder and came across this:

"It is indeed in the crucible that the first matter suffers the Passion,
like Christ himself. It is in the crucible that it dies to be revived,
purified, spiritualized and transformed. Further, do not the common
people, those faithful guardians of the oral tradition, express the
human ordeal on earth by religious parables and hermetic similes?
-To bear one's cross, to climb one's Calvary, to go through the
crucible of existence, are all current sayings, in which we find the
same sense expressed by the same symbolism.

Let us not forget that around the luminous cross, seen in a
vision by Constantine, appeared those prophetic words, which he
adopted on his standard: In this sign thou shalt conquer. Remember
too, my brother alchemists, that the cross bears the imprint of three
nails used to sacrifice the Christ-body: an image of the three
purifcations by sword and fire. Meditate similarly on that clear
passage of St. Augustine in his Dispute with Tryphon (Dialogus cum
Tryphone 40): 'The mystery of the Lamb which God had ordered
to be sacrificed at Easter,' he says, 'was the figure of Christ, with
which those who believe stain their abodes, that is to say themselves,
by the faith which they have in him. Further, this lamb,
which the Law prescribed to have roasted whole, was the symbol
of the cross which Christ had to endure, since the lamb to be roasted
is disposed in such a way as to represent a cross. One of the arms
of the cross pierces it through and through, from the hind quarters
to the head. The other pierces its shoulders and the forefeet (the
Greek says: the hands) of the lamb are tied to it.'

The cross is a very ancient symbol, used in all ages, in all
religions, by all peoples, and one would be wrong to consider it as
of Lucifer (the morning star), was the symbol of our corner stone,
the headstone of the corner. The stone which the builders rejected,'
writes Amyraut,'has been made the headstone of the corner, on
which rests the whole structure of the building; but which is a
stumbling-block and stone of shame, against which they dash themselves
to their ruin.' As for the dressing of this corner stone-I mean
its preparation-it can be seen translated in a very fine bas-relief
of the time, sculptured on the outside of the building, on an absidal
chapel facing the Rue du Cloitre-Notre-Dame"

Fulcanelli: Le Mystere des Cathedrales

Cornerstone(Source)

"A cornerstone (Greek: Άκρογωνιεîς, Latin: Primarii Lapidis) will sometimes be referred to as a "foundation-stone", and is symbolic of Christ, whom the Apostle Paul referred to as the "head of the corner" and is the "Chief Cornerstone of the Church" (Ephesians 2:20). A chief or head cornerstone is placed above two walls to maintain them together and avoid the building to fall apart. Many of the more ancient churches will place relics of the saints, especially martyrs, in the foundation stone."

Psalm 118:22
22 The very rock that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone!

1 Peter 2:6-9
6 This is why the Tanakh says, “Look! I am laying in Tziyon a stone, a chosen and precious cornerstone; and whoever rests his trust on it will certainly not be humiliated.”
7 Now to you who keep trusting, he is precious. But to those who are not trusting,
“The very stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone”;
8 also he is a stone that will make people stumble, a rock over which they will trip.
They are stumbling at the Word, disobeying it — as had been planned.
9 But you are a chosen people, the King’s cohanim, a holy nation, a people for God to possess! Why? In order for you to declare the praises of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

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What is the stone which the builders rejected?
What is the crucible?
What is the rotation?
 
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What is the stone which the builders rejected?
What is the crucible?
What is the rotation?

In my opinion:

1. The stone the builders rejected is same stone that is rejected in almost all mines where it is found.
2. The crucible can be the actual crucible itself in which the Stone is perfected, or the Stone itself in which the mercury/sulfur is developed.
3. The rotation represents the repetitions of the exact same process.
 

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:) Thank you for sharing Florius Frammel and Illen A Cluf. There are so many similarities, it’s like everything is connected by something.

I started reading a translation of "Fulcanelli: Le Mystere des Cathedrales" by Mary Sworder and came across this:

"It is indeed in the crucible that the first matter suffers the Passion,
like Christ himself. It is in the crucible that it dies to be revived,
purified, spiritualized and transformed. Further, do not the common
people, those faithful guardians of the oral tradition, express the
human ordeal on earth by religious parables and hermetic similes?
-To bear one's cross, to climb one's Calvary, to go through the
crucible of existence, are all current sayings, in which we find the
same sense expressed by the same symbolism.

Let us not forget that around the luminous cross, seen in a
vision by Constantine, appeared those prophetic words, which he
adopted on his standard: In this sign thou shalt conquer. Remember
too, my brother alchemists, that the cross bears the imprint of three
nails used to sacrifice the Christ-body: an image of the three
purifcations by sword and fire. Meditate similarly on that clear
passage of St. Augustine in his Dispute with Tryphon (Dialogus cum
Tryphone 40): 'The mystery of the Lamb which God had ordered
to be sacrificed at Easter,' he says, 'was the figure of Christ, with
which those who believe stain their abodes, that is to say themselves,
by the faith which they have in him. Further, this lamb,
which the Law prescribed to have roasted whole, was the symbol
of the cross which Christ had to endure, since the lamb to be roasted
is disposed in such a way as to represent a cross. One of the arms
of the cross pierces it through and through, from the hind quarters
to the head. The other pierces its shoulders and the forefeet (the
Greek says: the hands) of the lamb are tied to it.'

The cross is a very ancient symbol, used in all ages, in all
religions, by all peoples, and one would be wrong to consider it as
of Lucifer (the morning star), was the symbol of our corner stone,
the headstone of the corner. The stone which the builders rejected,'
writes Amyraut,'has been made the headstone of the corner, on
which rests the whole structure of the building; but which is a
stumbling-block and stone of shame, against which they dash themselves
to their ruin.' As for the dressing of this corner stone-I mean
its preparation-it can be seen translated in a very fine bas-relief
of the time, sculptured on the outside of the building, on an absidal
chapel facing the Rue du Cloitre-Notre-Dame"

Fulcanelli: Le Mystere des Cathedrales

Cornerstone(Source)

"A cornerstone (Greek: Άκρογωνιεîς, Latin: Primarii Lapidis) will sometimes be referred to as a "foundation-stone", and is symbolic of Christ, whom the Apostle Paul referred to as the "head of the corner" and is the "Chief Cornerstone of the Church" (Ephesians 2:20). A chief or head cornerstone is placed above two walls to maintain them together and avoid the building to fall apart. Many of the more ancient churches will place relics of the saints, especially martyrs, in the foundation stone."

Psalm 118:22
22 The very rock that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone!

1 Peter 2:6-9
6 This is why the Tanakh says, “Look! I am laying in Tziyon a stone, a chosen and precious cornerstone; and whoever rests his trust on it will certainly not be humiliated.”
7 Now to you who keep trusting, he is precious. But to those who are not trusting,
“The very stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone”;
8 also he is a stone that will make people stumble, a rock over which they will trip.
They are stumbling at the Word, disobeying it — as had been planned.
9 But you are a chosen people, the King’s cohanim, a holy nation, a people for God to possess! Why? In order for you to declare the praises of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Source

What is the stone which the builders rejected?
What is the crucible?
What is the rotation?

Err... May I ask, who are you asking these questions?

Michael
 

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In my opinion:

1. The stone the builders rejected is same stone that is rejected in almost all mines where it is found.
2. The crucible can be the actual crucible itself in which the Stone is perfected, or the Stone itself in which the mercury/sulfur is developed.
3. The rotation represents the repetitions of the exact same process.

I agree with Illen.

Question No. 1 is special though. It's a question posed by many secret societies, freemasons and others. Imo, if you find a true answer to this question, a 33rd grade mason of the scotish rite would be very eager to learn it from you. And don't let yourself be fobbed by hollow shells.

Fulcanelli gives several beautiful answers to that question.
 

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What is the stone which the builders rejected?

Describe the work done on the limestone block in order to fit it for its place as a foundationstone. ...
- The Pulpit Commentary, Volume 7 By Spence-Jones, Henry

All around there is evidence of quarried limestone that clearly were used as building blocks in Old Jerusalem. The red color is oxidized limestone where water has discolored the white rock and made it not worthy as building material.

Immediately, the scripture came to mind from Psalm 118:22-23, “The stone which the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; the LORD had done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes.” This stone was left and carved around because it was literally rejected by ancient builders. And this was the very stone upon which Jesus was crucified. Should we then be surprised to see in three of the four Gospels, that Jesus directly quotes Psalm 118 and refers to Himself as the Cornerstone in the parable of the rejected son (Matthew 21:42, Mark 12:10, Luke 20:17)?
http://www.myliferesources.org/lrnews/thestonethebuildersrejected

Oxidised Limestone is what the builders rejected.

Saint Margaret the Blessed Virgin and Martyr actually existing as a person is questionable. Her recording by the Church.
Pelagia's story, attributed to James[3][4] or Jacob[5][4] (Latin: Jacobus), deacon of the church of Heliopolis (modern Baalbek),[6]. He states that Margarita was the "foremost actress" and a prominent harlot in Antioch.[7] During one of the city's church councils, she passed by on a donkey surrounded by her entourage and a "worldly crowd".[4] Perfumed and immodestly bareheaded, the outlines of her body were "clearly visible" beneath her gold cloth, pearls, and precious stones, which ran from her bare shoulders to her feet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagia

I suspect she was made up by the Church using pagan sources. Those pagan sources mirroring an alchemical narrative.
 

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And even that donkey story also had been told by Fulcanelli. The inhabitants of Paris seemed to have a tradition with a procession where a donkey was involved.

Maybe a "Goldesel":

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:) Thank you for sharing Florius Frammel and Illen A Cluf. There are so many similarities, it’s like everything is connected by something.

I started reading a translation of "Fulcanelli: Le Mystere des Cathedrales" by Mary Sworder and came across this:

"It is indeed in the crucible that the first matter suffers the Passion,
like Christ himself. It is in the crucible that it dies to be revived,
purified, spiritualized and transformed. Further, do not the common
people, those faithful guardians of the oral tradition, express the
human ordeal on earth by religious parables and hermetic similes?
-To bear one's cross, to climb one's Calvary, to go through the
crucible of existence, are all current sayings, in which we find the
same sense expressed by the same symbolism.

Let us not forget that around the luminous cross, seen in a
vision by Constantine, appeared those prophetic words, which he
adopted on his standard: In this sign thou shalt conquer. Remember
too, my brother alchemists, that the cross bears the imprint of three
nails used to sacrifice the Christ-body: an image of the three
purifcations by sword and fire. Meditate similarly on that clear
passage of St. Augustine in his Dispute with Tryphon (Dialogus cum
Tryphone 40): 'The mystery of the Lamb which God had ordered
to be sacrificed at Easter,' he says, 'was the figure of Christ, with
which those who believe stain their abodes, that is to say themselves,
by the faith which they have in him. Further, this lamb,
which the Law prescribed to have roasted whole, was the symbol
of the cross which Christ had to endure, since the lamb to be roasted
is disposed in such a way as to represent a cross. One of the arms
of the cross pierces it through and through, from the hind quarters
to the head. The other pierces its shoulders and the forefeet (the
Greek says: the hands) of the lamb are tied to it.'

The cross is a very ancient symbol, used in all ages, in all
religions, by all peoples, and one would be wrong to consider it as
of Lucifer (the morning star), was the symbol of our corner stone,
the headstone of the corner. The stone which the builders rejected,'
writes Amyraut,'has been made the headstone of the corner, on
which rests the whole structure of the building; but which is a
stumbling-block and stone of shame, against which they dash themselves
to their ruin.' As for the dressing of this corner stone-I mean
its preparation-it can be seen translated in a very fine bas-relief
of the time, sculptured on the outside of the building, on an absidal
chapel facing the Rue du Cloitre-Notre-Dame"

Fulcanelli: Le Mystere des Cathedrales

Cornerstone(Source)

"A cornerstone (Greek: Άκρογωνιεîς, Latin: Primarii Lapidis) will sometimes be referred to as a "foundation-stone", and is symbolic of Christ, whom the Apostle Paul referred to as the "head of the corner" and is the "Chief Cornerstone of the Church" (Ephesians 2:20). A chief or head cornerstone is placed above two walls to maintain them together and avoid the building to fall apart. Many of the more ancient churches will place relics of the saints, especially martyrs, in the foundation stone."

Psalm 118:22
22 The very rock that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone!

1 Peter 2:6-9
6 This is why the Tanakh says, “Look! I am laying in Tziyon a stone, a chosen and precious cornerstone; and whoever rests his trust on it will certainly not be humiliated.”
7 Now to you who keep trusting, he is precious. But to those who are not trusting,
“The very stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone”;
8 also he is a stone that will make people stumble, a rock over which they will trip.
They are stumbling at the Word, disobeying it — as had been planned.
9 But you are a chosen people, the King’s cohanim, a holy nation, a people for God to possess! Why? In order for you to declare the praises of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

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What is the stone which the builders rejected?

What comes to mind is the 'stone' that stands at the beginning of the Great Work and that, according to some alchemists, is something most people have a low opinion of and tend to throw away.

It would not be surprising if the 'rejected corner stone', on one level, was a hidden reference to that.

What is the crucible?

The vessel in which the whole Work is to be done in the Dry Way which Fulcanelli was a follower of. At any rate, that would be one way of reading this.

What is the rotation?

One of three major stages in the preparation of the Philosopher's Stone. Each has parallels with the others, but it would IMO be an oversimplification to say they are the same.

Also, it might be useful to consider that each rotation corresponds with one of the Paracelsian three principles. ;)
 

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When it mentions Virgin Saints in alchemical or any esoteric script... it means the reader wants you to know that the individual spoken of is a virgin and it probably means... something. When it's mentioned in a movie, anime, or any type of show, it's because they want you to know that the ''virgin'' is hollywood ''hot'' and is expected to lose it either at the end of the season (cliffhanger) or the next upcoming season(s).

Mary the Virgin doesnt have so many male viewers for no reason (anime).
 

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Florius Frammel said:
I agree with Illen.

Question No. 1 is special though. It's a question posed by many secret societies, freemasons and others. Imo, if you find a true answer to this question, a 33rd grade mason of the scotish rite would be very eager to learn it from you. And don't let yourself be fobbed by hollow shells.

Fulcanelli gives several beautiful answers to that question.

Thanks Florius, do you have a favorite Fulcanelli book?

Kibric said:
The Pulpit Commentary, Volume 7 By Spence-Jones, Henry

All around there is evidence of quarried limestone that clearly were used as building blocks in Old Jerusalem. The red color is oxidized limestone where water has discolored the white rock and made it not worthy as building material.

Immediately, the scripture came to mind from Psalm 118:22-23, “The stone which the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; the LORD had done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes.” This stone was left and carved around because it was literally rejected by ancient builders. And this was the very stone upon which Jesus was crucified. Should we then be surprised to see in three of the four Gospels, that Jesus directly quotes Psalm 118 and refers to Himself as the Cornerstone in the parable of the rejected son (Matthew 21:42, Mark 12:10, Luke 20:17)?

Oxidised Limestone is what the builders rejected.

Thank you Kibric :)

Kibric said:
Saint Margaret the Blessed Virgin and Martyr actually existing as a person is questionable. Her recording by the Church.

Pelagia's story, attributed to James[3][4] or Jacob[5][4] (Latin: Jacobus), deacon of the church of Heliopolis (modern Baalbek),[6]. He states that Margarita was the "foremost actress" and a prominent harlot in Antioch.[7] During one of the city's church councils, she passed by on a donkey surrounded by her entourage and a "worldly crowd".[4] Perfumed and immodestly bareheaded, the outlines of her body were "clearly visible" beneath her gold cloth, pearls, and precious stones, which ran from her bare shoulders to her feet.

I suspect she was made up by the Church using pagan sources. Those pagan sources mirroring an alchemical narrative.

Also found this:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Catholic_Encyclopedia_(1913)/Pelagia
The name of several saints. The old Syrian martyrology gives the feast of a St. Pelagia of Antioch (in Antiochia Pelagiæ) under the date of 8 October. Further information concerning this martyr, undoubtedly an historical person, is given in a homily of St. John Chrysostom [P. G., L, 479 sqq.; Ruinart, "Acta mart. sincera" (ed. Ratisbon), 540 sqq.]. Pelagia was a Christian virgin fifteen years of age. Soldiers came in search of her, evidently during the Diocletian persecution, in order to force her to offer publicly a heathen sacrifice. She was alone in the house, no one being there to aid her. She came out to the soldiers sent after her and when she learned the order they had to execute, she requested permission to go again into the house in order to put on other clothing. This was granted to her. The virgin who probably knew what was before her was not willing to expose herself to the danger of being dishonoured. She therefore went up to the roof of the house and threw herself into the sea. Thus she died, as St. Chrysostom says, as virgin and martyr, and was honoured as such by the Antiochene Church. St. Ambrose also mentions this Pelagia of Antioch ("De virginibus", III, vii; Epist. XXVII, "Ad Simplicianum", xxxviii).

There is a later legend of a Pelagia who is said to have led the life of a prostitute at Antioch and to have been converted by a bishop named Nonnus. According to the story she went to Jerusalem where disguised as a man and under the name of Pelagius she led a life of self-mortification in a grotto on the Mount of Olives. The author of this legend who calls himself the Deacon Jacob has drawn the essential part of his narrative from the forty-eighth homily of St. Chrysostom on the Gospel of St. Matthew. In this homily the preacher relates the conversion of a celebrated actress of Antioch whose name he does not give. As no old authority makes any mention of a Pelagia in Jerusalem, no doubt the alleged converted woman is a purely legendary recasting of the historical Pelagia. In the East the feast of this second Pelagia is observed on the same day (8 October); in the present Roman martyrology the feast of the martyr is observed on 9 June, that of the penitent on 8 October.

Jacob deacon:
https://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~wstevens/FYStexts/biospelagias.pdf
The holy bishop Nonnus wrote in
reply, ‘Whoever you are, show yourself to God and you will
be saved. But I tell you, I am a man, a sinner, and à servant of
God, and you would tempt my humanity. But if you really do
desire God, have strength and faith and come to me among the
other bishops, for I cannot let you see me alone.’ When the
harlot read this, filled with joy she came running to the church
of the blessed martyr Julianus, and we were told that she was
there.

Michael Sternbach said:
What comes to mind is the 'stone' that stands at the beginning of the Great Work and that, according to some alchemists, is something most people have a low opinion of and tend to throw away.

It would not be surprising if the 'rejected corner stone', on one level, was a hidden reference to that.

The vessel in which the whole Work is to be done in the Dry Way which Fulcanelli was a follower of. At any rate, that would be one way of reading this. quote

One of three major stages in the preparation of the Philosopher's Stone. Each has parallels with the others, but it would IMO be an oversimplification to say they are the same.

Also, it might be useful to consider that each rotation corresponds with one of the Paracelsian three principles.

Thank you Michael, is this the Black Dragon?

tAlchemist said:
When it mentions Virgin Saints in alchemical or any esoteric script... it means the reader wants you to know that the individual spoken of is a virgin and it probably means... something. When it's mentioned in a movie, anime, or any type of show, it's because they want you to know that the ''virgin'' is hollywood ''hot'' and is expected to lose it either at the end of the season (cliffhanger) or the next upcoming season(s).

Mary the Virgin doesnt have so many male viewers for no reason (anime).

Thanks Alchemist.
 

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@Ser: Both Mystery of the Cathedrales and Dwellings of the Philosophers are very good. In a preface of Dwellings, Eugene Canseliet, who said he was a student of Fulcanelli, claimed there is a third book called "Finis Gloria Mundi". He said that Fulcanelli gave it to him so that he can destroy it.

However in the 90's surfaced a book with that title. The publisher said he got it from a mysterious person (Fulcanelli himself) per eMail. Most doubt its legit. I never read it.

The painting "Finis Gloria Mundi" by Juan de Valdés Leal from 1672 is real though:

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Some parts of the real "Finis Gloria Mundi" had been already published though. You can read it at the end of the two books I mentioned above.

It's the parts on Chiliasm/Milleniarism.
 
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@Ser: Both Mystery of the Cathedrales and Dwellings of the Philosophers are very good. In a preface of Dwellings, Eugene Canseliet, who said he was a student of Fulcanelli, claimed there is a third book called "Finis Gloria Mundi". He said that Fulcanelli gave it to him so that he can destroy it.

However in the 90's surfaced a book with that title. The publisher said he got it from a mysterious person (Fulcanelli himself) per eMail. Most doubt its legit. I never read it.

The painting "Finis Gloria Mundi" by Juan de Valdés Leal from 1672 is real though:

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Interesting. And FWIW, the book got high ratings overall on
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59384.Finis_Gloriae_Mundi

Alright, it may not actually have been written by Fulcanelli. Much like not everything attributed to Paracelsus seems to really be from our Swiss alchemist. But that would not keep me from taking a closer look in either case.

In times past, the reasoning sometimes used to be: "Alright, X did not actually write about this particular topic, but had he done so, the result would have been just like what is written in this book..." :D
 

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Florius Frammel said:
@Ser: Both Mystery of the Cathedrales and Dwellings of the Philosophers are very good. In a preface of Dwellings, Eugene Canseliet, who said he was a student of Fulcanelli, claimed there is a third book called "Finis Gloria Mundi". He said that Fulcanelli gave it to him so that he can destroy it.

However in the 90's surfaced a book with that title. The publisher said he got it from a mysterious person (Fulcanelli himself) per eMail. Most doubt its legit. I never read it.

The painting "Finis Gloria Mundi" by Juan de Valdés Leal from 1672 is real though.

Some parts of the real "Finis Gloria Mundi" had been already published though. You can read it at the end of the two books I mentioned above.

It's the parts on Chiliasm/Milleniarism.

:) Thank you Florius. That painting is very nice. It reminds me of the picture of Roger Bacon.

roger-bacon-conducting-an-experiment-photo-researchers-canvas-print.jpg


Michael, sorry I was asking the question about Fulcanelli's Dry Way.
 
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:) Thank you Florius. That painting is very nice. It reminds me of the picture of Roger Bacon.

roger-bacon-conducting-an-experiment-photo-researchers-canvas-print.jpg


Michael, sorry I was asking the question about Fulcanelli's Dry Way.

Nothing to be sorry about. But being familiar more with older alchemists, I am not sure how Fulcanelli may have been using the term 'black dragon'. Maybe Florius or someone else with a more thorough knowledge than me regarding this author wants to chime in on this.
 

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I am not sure how Fulcanelli may have been using the term 'black dragon'. Maybe Florius or someone else with a more thorough knowledge than me regarding this author wants to chime in on this.

It's very simple, and who better to explain this than "Illen A. Cluf", which most of you must have already realized is just a backward anagram for "Fulcanelli"? I have read all of Fulcanelli's Dwellings at least six times. The "black dragon" is our "virgin earth", or the unprocessed mineral matter from the mine, from which you start all of your operations, whether using the short way or the long ways. Like some dragons, it can range from darkish grey to almost black, and is covered with "scales".