Thomas's Alchemical Insights: Bacstrom Gloria Mundi

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"If one wants to proceed to the second rotation, one must resolve the Powder (after it passed through the number of Eagles) again by the Astral Spirit, separate it in the best possible way from its Water, and let the remaining Water evaporate at the open Air to a thickness. In that way one reaches the three elements of Salt, such as:

1. a very loose and woolly Salt, like a subtle cotton,
2. a delicate Nitre-like Salt, and
3. an alkaline Salt.

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The loose and woolly Salt of the first order, this is really the Menstruum Universalissimum or the true Mercury of the Wise.."

- Old and True Natural Path
 

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@Seraphim

Please add CONTEXT to your above posted quote, i.e. add your own comments as to HOW the quotes you are posting are directly relevant to the topic of the thread.

Context-less quotations will be removed, for the sake of minimizing clutter and maintaining thread topic coherence.
 

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This was from about 3 weeks ago. I ended up with so much oil, Dick Cheney has been blowing up my phone non-stop:ROFLMAO:

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^This is after all of the water was removed.

Dear friends :), who have been with me along this journey, I had a good result:love:. I don't wish to elaborate at this moment, but I have a lot of pictures hehe.

Hmmmm, I'm feeling torn, because on the one hand, it's my duty to share with a community that has helped me out significantly. On the other hand, everyone must walk the path on their own. Plus I just don't feel like exposing myself or my loved ones to problems, very sorry.

Anyway, at the very least, I'll deliver the tract I promised, and possibly more.

Oh, and this is the method I used (from my teachers, actually), step by step in case you didn't follow. Do it yourself and you'll see what's real. Follow it exactly, it took me time and genuine grace to find this legitimate method. The old masters must be spinning in their graves, seeing it so plainly written, but this world is sick, and needs help:
Thomas Lacroft, [9 Dec 2024 at 21:41:00]:
...Also, I confess nothing, and make no claims. You can try this method, and it won't be a waste of time if you follow the instructions precisely. That's all I can say. So, first of all, you need to collect urine in one of three potential times:

1. In the very early morning. This piss actually has some qi in it, because sleeping is (basically) like LDT meditation. To be very, very clear, the morning urine has your vital essence in it. This is why you need to meditate soon after waking up, to push it in from the bladder area into the LDT region (which, before opening, is basically the entire belt below the navel).

2. After LDT breathing, because if you pee within 20 minutes, some of the qi you cultivated will leak out, which is needed to start the whole process

3. After drinking alcohol (no idea why, but this is what the old books say). I'm a former alcoholic, so this is out of the question for me. I still did alright :). Personally, I think alcohol is one of a few substances that are so potentially destructive, it causes one to leak their life force in the urine.


So, if you can collect piss in the early morning after a night of drinking, that's probably the best (if you drink, or maybe your wife). By the way, it's much more potent from a younger person - although this isn't necessary :), since it's not like we're 80 years old yet, lmao


Next, put it in a warm place for at least 3 weeks, preferably longer. When you do this, some matter starts developing in the jar. It goes up and down


Eventually, it settles down on the bottom and accumulates 🙂


Mine took 35 days. It can take up to 6 weeks for the piss to "ferment". Mine also had bubbles. Another one of my jars exploded, so there's always a risk.


I should mention that out of 5 jars I made, only 2 survived. For some reason, 2 of my jars absolutely refused to turn red and darken/clear. I have no idea why. So, including the one that blew up, that's a dismal 40% success rate. Either way, you should have a few jars running at the same time to get some decent odds of success. I also did a lot of prayer and fortifying the bottles with my qi. I'd say this is maybe 50/50 necessary. I don't think someone with a low level of spirituality/low qi is going to have much luck making the stone.

You'll basically know when it's ready, when it's dark, dark red, mostly clear, and the stuff on the bottom changes from tanish to black. It starts degrading before your very eyes.

Next, you have to distill off the water. The way I did it was just opening my jar and putting it in basically a series of larger buckets in the sun/under heat. Careful not to make it too hot (above 135F). Perferably keep the temperature around body temp at all times. Really pay attention to this, don't kill your work.

Distilling took me about a month a little more, and every few days, I had to vent the buckets, and also remove some of the "mercury" (water with stuff in it). Save the first 20-40% of the water because you'll need it to cook the stone further, down the road. If you're lucky, towards the end of the distillation, the whole setup will stop smelling like rancid, rancid gas and a pleasant, beautiful smell will come out. This is an almost 100% confirmation that the stone is present, because nothing else will overpower/clear up the toxic smell except the stone forming.

Keep in mind, you'll get precious, tiny, few grains.

You can multiply the stone in several ways. Mostly, by adding more piss. Specifically, if you need it in it's medicinal form, you'll need more white oil. Unfortunately, it's not easy to collect...at all. Now, if you just want to use it to make money, you can multiply the stone with metals...which is faster, but this will make it extremely poisonous to life. By the way, never ingest a stone if you're not 100% sure if it has been multiplied with metals or not. If it has, you'd be better of drinking cyanide. Now, you don't need to even separate the stone from the earth if you just want to test it. It'll work just fine if you run some molten metal through it.

But yeah, sometimes distilling can take over a year. It's extremely slow, in fact, my other jar is barely 25% of the way done distilling. That's totally fine. .....[deleted]....I'm hoping the other one, which will probably finish next year in March-May,........[deleted].

Hope that helps :). By the way, if you're able to get a very low radiation source, that'll probably be good. I had my jars sitting on top of pink granite, which I didn't know was mildly radioactive.... I think it's a source of some kind of fuel for the stone. Ooooh, I'm also around 2 kms in elevation....not entirely sure if it matters, but just giving you more data 🙂
See ya when I see ya, buds :).

P.S. - Please use common sense and safety precautions when making this stuff. As a strong word of caution, the piss becomes very, very basic. Like skin-melting, bleach/draincleaner basic. As you guys saw, I got some of the distillate (not even the piss itself, just a fraction of the volatiles) on my finger and it stung like hot acid - for over a week. Please, please, DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING DIRECTLY except the final result if you can help it. This isn't a game, I'm certain it can kill.

Definitely don't sniff the fermented urine at any stage except the last, when the overpowering, beautiful smell appears. The good food is safe to smell, but the piss can literally knock you out and make you dizzy.....and probably melt holes in your lungs/brain. God only knows what the f!ck goes on in those jars, LOL!

P.P.S - The mercury grew some weird white, fluffy (maybe also a bit crystalline) stuff inside it, that eventually settled on the bottom. It's potent :) :

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Thank you Thomas

Out of interest did you remove the parts that say [deleted] or did Admin do that?

I'm mindful also that a certain member here has always tried to put people off using urine . . . .

Also what are you going to do with your red oil now? Dilute?
 
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Dear friends :), who have been with me along this journey, I had a good result:love:. I don't wish to elaborate at this moment, but I have a lot of pictures hehe.

Hi Thomas

Would it be correct to think that congratulations are in order ?

Is that the Philosophers Stone you have there in the container ?

Would it need Multiplication for Transmutation of metals ?

Please keep us informed as the Work continues. :)
 

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Thank you Thomas

Out of interest did you remove the parts that say [deleted] or did Admin do that?

I'm mindful also that a certain member here has always tried to put people off using urine . . . .

Also what are you going to do with your red oil now? Dilute?
Hi there, Pilgrim :),

How are you doing? I hope your search for knowledge has been going well. I apologize for not being as frequent on this forum as I'd like - life sometimes gets in the way, heh.

I deleted those parts :), they are kind of personal, but in retrospect, they aren't necessary. What I realized is that everyone doing the operation has their own peculiar habits, due to their life experiences.

I strongly recommend urine. I can't stress this enough.

There's really only one other thing that can potentially work the same way - and that's saliva that has been collected in a very specific way (refined from raw jing into qi - this is only for advanced cultivators). It's very hard to produce, but it can also work.

Well, I'm in the process of trying to get more of everything :). More oil, more goodies, more mercury, mooooooooreeee.

The biggest surprise, which I promise is a bit unpleasant, is how little of everything you get. So, it's better to even forget doing anything and keep multiplying and refining everything until you have enough to heal/get rich/whatever you need.

Hope that helps, and wishing you the best :).

Hi Thomas

Would it be correct to think that congratulations are in order ?

Is that the Philosophers Stone you have there in the container ?

Would it need Multiplication for Transmutation of metals ?

Please keep us informed as the Work continues. :)
Hello, Dear Black :),

How have you been? It's good to hear from you, learned sir!

Hehe, I am extremely grateful :), I can promise you that.

In the words of a wise man, "I dunno sh!t 'bout nuthin', boss" 😂. However, I can say that I've thoroughly tested every product from my jar and was pleased with everything but the quantity. I really wonder if there is a way to mass produce industrial level quantities of this stuff, because at this rate, it'll take me months - years to get a good amount of....stuff :).

I hope you don't see this as coy or selfish, I am happy to help anyone who wants to see the results of fermented urine for themselves. Then again, I'm the provider and protector of my family :).

I will keep posting, and I appreciate your encouragement.
 

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I have been well, thank you Thomas.

Hehe, I am extremely grateful :), I can promise you that.
It will be interesting to hear where you go from here in your work.

In the words of a wise man, "I dunno sh!t 'bout nuthin', boss" 😂. However, I can say that I've thoroughly tested every product from my jar and was pleased with everything but the quantity.
It is always good to hear that your work is being thoroughly tested.

I really wonder if there is a way to mass produce industrial level quantities of this stuff, because at this rate, it'll take me months - years to get a good amount of....stuff :).
You have concerns about the quantity of materials you are receiving from the work .... I work the Classic Alchemy and with this there is what is known as Augmentation that allows the Alchemist to greatly increase the amounts of Alchemic material he/she has Extracted ad-infinitum.

Augmentation should not be confused with Multiplication which is an increase in Power of the Alchemic Substance.

I hope you don't see this as coy or selfish, I am happy to help anyone who wants to see the results of fermented urine for themselves. Then again, I'm the provider and protector of my family :).
Not selfish at all Thomas .... as you say you need to protect your family.

I think it would be profitable in many ways if all the students of Alchemy began their Studies and Practical work with the Urine Path.

I will keep posting, and I appreciate your encouragement.
Thank you Thomas .... I look forward to your future posts.
 

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Hi Thomas,

What do you plan to do with your red oil?
Do you mind if I ask how have you thoroughly tested it?

For myself knowing how to appropriately test what we have found is one of the major hurdles to jump over.
I feel that this process could potentially take several years with many trials and errors.
But I could be wrong.

I have also worked with urine in the past and those substances look vaguely familiar. I never felt good about ingesting any of it but maybe It was good medicine after all? I am curious as to whether you have tried ingesting any? (I am not suggesting you should or shouldn't) just curious.

Thanks for sharing in any case. :)
 

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Hello

Should the Eagles be done at low temperatures to avoid losing the spirit?

Are there any signs that typically appear after a certain number of Eagles (e.g. color changes, crystal formation)?

Does calcination mean heating the material to the maximum until it glows, or just gentle drying over time?

I'm using a basic electric hotplate and wondering if it's enough for proper calcination.
 

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Dear friends :), who have been with me along this journey, I had a good result:love:. I don't wish to elaborate at this moment, but I have a lot of pictures hehe.
Obviously we're all supposed to be caught up by this and assume that "good result" = make the white stone which transmutes base metals to silver.
But I don't buy it, unfortunately I've heard too much BS over the years, so for me "good result" probably means he didn't blow up his lab or poison himself.

One of the comments (by someone who knows a lot more than I do about this stuff) says that the white stuff at the top of the jar is phosphorus.
IMO making phosphorus from piss is a pretty awesome thing to do in and of it's own right.
Don't need to make wishy-washy claims of making the philosophers stone, because it's already super cool just describing it in clear terms.
 
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It's unlikely to be phosphorus, but could be a complex that includes phosphate, although it is more likely to be an ammonium compound. The easily extracted forms of phosphorus would have a reaction with air, and the way to extract that from urine is a different process that was undertaken in that post.

I've worked some urine processes - fermented urine easily gives off ammonium liquids, and after the water is removed you are left with a dark "oil". I believe the usefulness here may be in returning the ammonium liquids back to the oil for circulation with the addition of a specific type of salt, and from there one can extract something useful.
 

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I was browsing Alchemy Reddit and found the above post "accidentally", as I was searching for something else. It only took a moment to realize it's the same @Thomas Lacroft that made this thread, so that's why I posted it here.

Urine (or more exactly, parts thereof) has been employed extensively by alchemists in the making of their "Philosophical Spirit of Wine", although I very much doubt it was used as the only ingredient. In some texts, urine is explicitly named as the "most proximate" matter (literally under our noses), while another, more "remote" matter, is indicated, of a so-called "metallic/mineral" nature, that enters into the composition, although both matters are said to emerge from the exact same root, literally. The compounded material is then called "Urine of Saturn" or "Saturnine Antimony". You can find all these references in the RAMS collection. I would make an educated guess that urine products have been traditionally employed to "unlock" the temple/matter (Cyliani), or to "open the prison of Sulfur" (Cosmopolite). Also see the "Immortal Liquor Alkahest" of Philalethes. Also see Artephius, who explicitly writes that the "fire" (an "antimony mineral" that participates of 'saturnian" parts) originates "elsewhere" than from the matter, however having a strong agreement with "gold" (the metallic sulfur or immature mineral electrum).

Regarding the results obtained by the OP, the fact that his "White Stone"' is not soluble in water raises some question marks, as a proper Phlofferston is soluble in all liquors, polar and non-polar alike. On the other hand, it's impressive that after many cycles of distillation/cohobation, the originally stinking spirit acquired a pleasant aroma.

@Thomas Lacroft, if you see this, perhaps you can shed more light on your findings so far.
 

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On the other hand, it's impressive that after many cycles of distillation/cohobation, the originally stinking spirit acquired a pleasant aroma.

I think this point, if one thinks about it for a while, resolves itself. I had an experience working with a different matter wherein for a large portion of the work the smell was awful, foul, heavy, acrid, and just unbearable. I had to keep the lab door open all night with a fan running just so I could go in there the next day. At the end, when the volatile salt appeared, the smell was light and aromatic, sweet, like icing sugar and vanilla, and all penetrating. Almost a bit too sweet, like sickly sweet, and either it washes away all the old bad smells, or the old bad smells simply ceased being produced by the matter.

In my case, what I believe had occurred can be adequately explained by models of chemical breakdowns of certain compounds that can be responsible for bad smells, such as amines, thiols, sulfides, fatty acids, or the like. As this breakdown occurred, either a molecular transformation happened to make new scent compounds, such as aromatic esters / terpenes, or those sweet smelling compounds existed the whole time, but were masked underneath the bad smells.
 

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Absolutely, 100%

This is not mockery, just stating the actual facts!

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If you think about it, you could set numerous distillations going and thereby collect lots of distillate (Our Mercury) so no need to squeeze every last bit from the dregs.

In similar fashion if you're going to do the calcination of the dregs to reveal the hidden salt, you could presumably just calcine lots of urine without distilling it, just boiling it away.

If you don't calcine the ashes/detritus, then how do you propose to get the salt?

I've read works that talk about taking off the very first part of the distillate, the most volatile and varying the temperature to achieve this, but can't off the top of my head remember which texts. Someone else can probably fill the gap.

Also known as the "eagles". If I remember correctly the BOA recommended only using part of the distillate each
Hi Pilgrim, the hidden salt is what i call green dragon powder. It comes from urine prime earth after proper high heat calcinations upwards of 2000F degrees. You can smell the sulphur. the crucible MUST be fully sealed double luted to achieve this and the earth must be tempered correctly. Whats your experience with this? Would love to connect.
 

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Although this is an old post I was wondering if anyone here have seen it. Anyone tried this?

Is it the same?