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The Separator

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The Separator is the Principle used in the Lab in order to make a Distillation of the Water of Life. It is indeed a distillation, but a philosophical one, not a vulgar one. This is by this mean, by the Separator, the the Impure and the Pure are made apart.
 

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Here's a snapshot from 'Compass of the Wise', for whomever it might benefit:

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I find it especially significant to notice the following section from the above quote, in the context of The Separator's 'Cloak':

"Shuts itself up against the emanation, against the introduction of Nature's egocentric will, operating with the Life-force of unity through Nature."
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Read THIS.

Very much in context and on topic (Separator, No-Man's Land, etc...)

(For the slightly more scientifically inclined :))
 

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This is a short story of creation from the book "Pyramid Yantra for Vaastu" by: Dr. Dhara Bhatt that I thought was well written.

"Before time began, there was just an inconceivably large egg out of which P'an Ku was created. When he emerged from the shell, darkness poured out of the egg, but so did light. All that was clear and bright rose to the sky and all that were muddy and heavy fell to the earth. Since he was afraid that the brightness above would fall onto the darkness below, he held the two apart with both his arms for thousands of years. He did so until finally he collapsed with exhaustion. He offered himself fully to the world. His last breath became wind and clouds. his voice became thunder, his left eye became sun and right became the moon, his limbs and torso became the plains and mountains, his blood formed rivers and lakes, his muscles formed soil and tendons formed paths and roads, his hair and beard formed stars, fine body hair and skin became grass, trees and flowers, his bones, teeth and marrow changed to rubies, jade, and minerals, Thus, he gave birth to all life."
 

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Hi Nibiru

It says P'an Ku is a 'he'...isn't Mother Earth a 'she'?

Perhaps Androgynous?

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Hi Nibiru

It says P'an Ku is a 'he'...isn't Mother Earth a 'she'?

Perhaps Androgynous?

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Hi Ghislain, good catch! I'd have to lean towards the latter, at least in this story's context, but the "he" may not be a reference to the earth .. The "He" in this quote reminded me of the seperator character from Androgynus's story, and that's why I posted it in this thread.
 
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Do go back to the point you are stressing here Andro, about the "separator", it is also a principle of equilibrium, between two polarities, Heaven and Hell for example, we will have a kind of "no man's land".
Separator is for me, an equilibrator, borned by the action of the two opposed forces, a dwelling place to keep balance (libra), but in the matter/dualistic world.
For now, this is what come to me.

Yes, that is well said Salazius.
The Separator is an equilibrator in the matter / dualistic world.
like Libra - which is the only inanimate sign of the zodiac. It is a dead-neutral - not a thriving living balanced positive realm of male and female unified.

As such, despite having a pretty cool role in the world of matter/duality, and having a pretty mysterious look to him/It, I don't think the Separator has the power to or is as highly ranked as the story makes him out to be - then he'd be God, which he is not.
 

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When I first read this on the separator, I was reminded of Thomas Vaughn's "binarius".
Do these seem the same Androgynus, or a bit different context?

"You may remember how, in my former discourse of the nature of man, I mentioned a certain simplicity of elements according to their several complexions in the several regions of the world. I shall now speak of another triplicity --- much more obscure and mystical --- without which you can never attain to the former, for these three principles are the key of all magic, without whose perfect knowledge you can never truly understand the least idioms in Nature. The first principle is one in one and one from one. It is a pure, white virgin and next to that which is most pure and simple. This is the First Created Unity. By this all things were made --- not actually but mediately --- and without this nothing can be made, either artificial or natural. This is " Bride of God and of the Stars." By mediation of this there is a descent from one into four and an ascent from above by four to the invisible, supernatural Monad. Who knows not this can never attain to the Art, for he knows not what he is to look for.

The Second Principle differs not from the first in substance and dignity but in complexion and order. This second was the first and is so still essentially ; but by adhesion to the matter it contracted an impurity and so fell from its first unity, wherefore the magicians style it Binarius. Separate therefore the circumference from the centre by the diametrical line, and there will appear unto thee the philosopher's Ternarius, which is the Third Principle. This third is properly no principle but a product of Art. It is a various nature, compounded in one sense and decompounded in another, consisting of inferior and superior powers. This is the magician's fire, this is Mercury of the philosophers, that most famous Microcosm and Adam. This is the labyrinth and wild of magic, where a world of students have lost themselves --- a thing so confusedly and obscurely handled by such as knew it that it is altogether impossible to find it in their records. There is no late writer understands the full latitude and universality of this principle, nor the genuine metaphysical use thereof. It moves here below in shades and tiffanies, above in white ethereal vestures ; neither is there anything in Nature exposed to such a public prostitution as this is, for it passeth through all hands and there is not any creature but hath the use thereof. "

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And a different source:
http://books.google.com/books?id=di...0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=alchemy binarius&f=false

Hmmm. I found another source that equates the serpent binarius to that one in the garden of eden which
persuaded Eve to eat the fruit.
 

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Moshe, you have interpreted the story in a very different way than me, which is great IF it works for you.

The Separator (in this context) is NOT Libra, but nevertheless encompassed by it.

The Separator is of an Aries/Mars nature, and also a Portal to non-duality FROM and TO a world of duality (Libra).

But we also need Libra (the scales, represented in this story by the archetypal oppo-same emissaries of 'god' and 'satan'), we need the utmost archetypal extremes of duality in order to move beyond it.

"Venus and Mars are the parents of the Stone."
 

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Sol,

Basically - Yes to all your points above.

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The Separator is an interesting Character. After my last couple experiences with magic mushrooms, I've been looking into the 'grid' as it relates to alchemy and the Athanor.

Androgynus, your link to that blog post on the Primordial Matrix has made some connections for me :)

Chapter One of Sal Lumen Et Spiritus Mundi Philosophici or the Dawning of the Day begins with a similar character:

This vast Body then [the World], is indued with motion, yea, continually agitated therewith; and this motion cannot be wrought without some vital Spirit: for whatsoever wants Life, is immoveable. But here I mean not of violent motion from place to place, but of that, which in reference to a form, is privation to perfection, imperfection. The vegetation of Plants, and concretion of Stones, are effected by the motion of this universal Spirit, agitating this great Mass, and the mediation of a certain radical and nutritive Spirit, whose origine or principle, like some primary procreating cause, resides in the Centre of the Earth; and thence, as from the heart, exerts all vital functions, and extends itself through the whole Body. And this root or principle is included in the bosome of the ancient Demogorgon, that universal Parent, whom, old Poets, those diligent Searchers of Natures Secrets, have ingeniously described clothed in a green Cloak, obduced with rust, and covered with thick darkness; feeding all kindes of Animals, into whose belly, the virtues of the Celestial Luminaries, continually descend, penetrating the very bowels of the Earth, and impregnating it with all kindes of Creatures.

The addition of the Green Cloak wrapped in darkness is interesting to me, as it connects with the Hermetic Tree, and even the idea of the Black Sun. And continuing along, Sal Lumen defines the Demogorgon further:

where the elementary qualities and powers offer their services to this old Parent, as to the Producer and Distributer of all things; who continually occupies Iliastus, in dispensing of specifical forms; and Archeus, in exciting vital heat: which Iliastus and Archeus, are as it were two instruments, whereby he informs, conserves and augments all things.

Here note, that by Iliastus we mean a general Steward that affords matter for all generation; and by Archeus, natural or radical heat, which digests this matter, and acts upon it.

This Demogorgon then is he, by whome, as by his Instrument, God produces all things in and under Heaven: so that he containing his Iliastus and Archeus, does with singular providence, unknown to vulgar Philosophers, and therefore masked under the supplement of occult causes, form and generate, then nourish and preserve all things.


Besides this alchemical work, there is are references to the Demogorgon in literature. Plato's Dream by Voltaire:

Demogorgon received the lump of mold we call Earth, and having formed it as it now appears, thought he had created a masterpiece.

And lets not forget Medusa, the Gorgon, and her ability to turn men into Stone.

wikipedia said:
While descriptions of Gorgons vary across Greek literature and occur in the earliest examples of Greek literature, the term commonly refers to any of three sisters who had hair made of living, venomous snakes, as well as a horrifying visage that turned those who beheld her to stone. Traditionally, while two of the Gorgons were immortal, Stheno and Euryale, their sister Medusa was not, and she was slain by the demigod and hero Perseus.
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The Demogorgon is similar to the Demiurge, in my opinion.
 
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I was reading through the introduction to a translation of the Sepher Yetzirah and came across this paragraph. Thought I'd add it in case it sparks any connections.

The following interesting quotation is from Rabbi Moses Botarel, who wrote his famous Commentary in 1409:--"It was Abraham our Father--blessed be he--who wrote this book to condemn the doctrine of the sages of his time, who were incredulous of the supreme dogma of the Unity. At least, this was the opinion of Rabbi Saadiah--blessed be he--as written in the first chapter of his book The Philosopher's Stone. These are his words: The sages of Babylon attacked Abraham on account of his faith; for they were all against him although themselves separable into three sects. The First thought that the Universe was subject to the control of two opposing forces, the one existing but to destroy the other, this is dualism; they held that there was nothing in common between the author of evil and the author of good. The Second sect admitted Three great Powers; two of them as in the first case, and a third Power whose function was to decide between the two others, a supreme arbitrator. The Third sect recognised no god beside the Sun, in which it recognised the sole principle of existence."
 

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I came across an interesting reference just now, from This Website

The yakshas (male) and yakshinis (female) look after treasure hidden in the earth, and come under the dominion of the god Kubera.

The 64 Chetakas

These are servitors of Shiva, akin to elementals. Once drawn into service, they require nourishment. You have to keep this work force happy if you take them on.

They are (1) Amorous One (2) Vehicle (3) Heroic One (4) Separator (5) Angry One (6) Poet (7) Roaring like a Lion (8) Very Noisy (9) Beautiful [. . .]
 
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The allegorical story of The Separator brings to our attention a mysterious THIRD 'deity', which is truly omnipotent and as such is placed above and beyond any and all dualistic archetypes.

This Separator is explicitly mentioned in 'Hermes Trismegist's Wahrer Alter Naturweg':

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My own translation:

(...)

In the same work, The Separator is mentioned as the Divine 'Instrument' used at the Creation of the World.

Questions to ask ourselves: What is our inner Separator? How can this Separator Principle be applied to practical lab work?


First time I see this thread, but I completely follow your logic of the Third Deity who is the Instrument of the creation of the World and also a separator!

You can find much more on this issue is you read the Chaldean Oracles, where Hecate is the "Third Deity" (The First one is the First Mind, the Second one is the Second Mind or Nous).

Hecate is the one who creates the World, but is also the "membrane" or the "separator" or the "limit" (in the Oracles the word Horos is used: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/όρος )

In some other interpretations of the Oracles, Hecate is NOT the "membrane" and the "separator" itself, but her mother (whilst the Hypezokos -Flower of Fire- or "Demiurge" is the Separator and the son of Hecate).

I follow the first interpretation.

If you don't want to get into the Oracles, a quick wiki article about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldean_Oracles#Metaphysics_of_the_Oracles

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And since the Oracles and the philosophy of Plotinus and Porphyry are one and the same...

The First "God" is ONE (Hen)
The Second "God" is Nous ("Intellect", but not in the sense we use the word nowadays)...
And the Third "God" is Psyche ---> Who is Hecate in the Oracles and the "Anima Mundi" in several alchemical texts.

Needless to say that these "Macrocosmic" deities had a correspondence in the Microcosm and the Psyche of the Macrocosm is, of course, in correspondence with the Psyche of the Microcosm.

Psyche... the "Separator", the Greek "Horos".

EDIT: If anyone has the compass.... please, please, please, send it my way! ;)
EDIT #2: Compass no longer needed! ;)
 
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Continued from HERE.

The 'Looking Glass' or 'Dual Mirror' I've mentioned above has this interesting quality of reflecting our convictions back at us, even if they contradict each other :)

Now, to take these concepts a bit further, on our physical plane, this 'Looking Glass' or 'Veil' or 'Dual Mirror' (or Separator) can be (metaphorically or not) associated with the surface/water level.

From the preface of Nietzsche's 'The Gay Science':

Where you stand, there dig deep!
Below you lies the well!
Let obscurantists wail and weep:
"Below is always - hell!"


The 'Light of the 'Black Sun' (limitless, UN-specified potential) rises from (below) Earth -> to (above) Heaven ('White Sun'/Left Brain/fixation/collapse of probability via Conscious Intent) and thus gathers the 'powers' of both 'Above' and 'Below', to accomplish the 'Miracle of One Thing'.

Are you trying to win me over by throwing Nietzsche in my face? LOL. Also I assume in this case "gay" means "happy"?

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My mind is utterly not in this line of thinking, so I have problems understanding what you mean.

Could you re-write the above for an idiot please.

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Are you trying to win me over by throwing Nietzsche in my face? LOL. Also I assume in this case "gay" means "happy"?

I'm nor trying to win anyone over.

Yes, 'gay' means 'merry' or 'happy'. That's what it always meant before it was hijacked by them faggots :p

The Gay Science

Could you re-write the above for an idiot please.

I wrote in the most simple way I could (for the topic). And you're no idiot.

Maybe I'll attempt a different angle, with examples...
 

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I've been searching for years after this information about "the separator".

When I was studying theology and Christian esotericism, no one (neither the priest nor the mason) could explain to me the whys and wherefores of the firmament that divide the waters during day 2.

So the "separator" is at work at day 1 and day 2.

Day 1: "[...] God divided the light from the darkness.[...]"
Day 2: "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters [...]

The word translated as firmament refers to the notion of "solid dome".

An other riddle of that day 2 that has fascinated me for long: why is that the only day for which God does not say "And God saw that is was good". That Knight's tale shed light on the issue: it is equally good and bad.
 

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These verses from Genesis (that you are referring to) are indeed among the most significant Keys to Alchemy, in its actual, 'hands-on' practice. They are also quite well reflected in the Emerald Tablet and in many other 'Genesis' traditions & cosmologies.

I intend to expand a bit on this in the future, however I am currently very busy with other projects.

It's also related to THIS, but let's not go there now :p

I've been searching for years after this information about "the separator".

When I was studying theology and Christian esotericism, no one (neither the priest nor the mason) could explain to me the whys and wherefores of the firmament that divides the waters during day 2.

So the "separator" is at work at day 1 and day 2.

Day 1: "[...] God divided the light from the darkness.[...]"
Day 2: "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters [...]

The word translated as firmament refers to the notion of "solid dome".

Another riddle of that day 2 that has fascinated me for long: why is that the only day for which God does not say "And God saw that is was good". That Knight's tale shed light on the issue: it is equally good and bad.
 

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From my most recent meditations. I'd love an analysis:

Why are we separated? If all things are for and from One Thing, why Duality, Triplicity and the Quarters exist?

On account of the Separator, who has the last word: If you listen he speaks truth, if you listen close enough, he ramains silent.

Separation is essential while at the same time is superfluous. The Microcosmic Paradox, rather than the macro. It is the Mind moving too quickly in order to sublimate. It is the heart beating out of synch, in order to create. It is the body not knowing the mind's direction, even though it is quite direct.
 
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Some people believe that this part of scripture is to be taken literally, and argue, that as you get higher in the atmosphere, and therefore colder, and closer to space, that the gases up there have frozen over and that it is indeed a huge solid dome over a 'essentially' flat plane.

A lot have speculated also that the Jews also believe in the dome, and that a she rival earth was part of the world consiousness take over plot.

In my studies I've found good arguments for both a sphere and a dome, all I know is that I don't know for sure till I see it for myself.

Also, then there is theory that space is a different type of 'water' and that our atmosphere has 'separated' into 'layers' which I think might be what Andro was referin to with the emeral tablet and the 'practical' comment (please correct if I'm wrong)

The other aspect of separation to consider is the effect it has on the consciousness, when one separates themselves from the world. Mostly strongly expressed through the repeated story of the 40 day wilderness bash, often (if not always) associated with un-paralleled divine graces being bestowed.

You will notice (I hope) that Andro's signature speaks somewhat on seein through the illusion, standing back from the world, "win the game by not playing". Andro (and I apologise if you don't like me using you as an example, feel free to tell me not to do it again) has obviously a very sound understanding to say the least of what I feel, but also has the ability to transverse the astral planes, which is the direct reward, of the condition of having successfully achieved the process of separation. This is after and supieror to Baptism. For baptism is a "dipping", the first time someone has stepped I to the steal plane, only to soon return. However, after baptsim, when we are truly touched by 'the spirit' then we slowly fill ourselves with it (if your smart, not like me) and then once you are full then you can swim deeply in these great healing waters.

Well that's at least how I see separation at the deepest level, I know it's a universal law and has many applications but to me, the true batism is the dipping into the spirit world, and the separation is basically intensive spirit training, pre-luminary challenges before being offered higher powers from God/Godess Elohim kindred.

This is just my opinion, love to hear why you think.
 

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However, after baptsim, when we are truly touched by 'the spirit' then we slowly fill ourselves with it (if your smart, not like me) and then once you are full then you can swim deeply in these great healing waters.

Yes, and some people surf in the very same water as others drown in. Water is water. It's all about "you" and "how you deal with the water"...

What is funny is that in the moment of understanding, or "knowing", one does realise that it is not about "you"... or in my case, it is not about "me".

I am a drop. It is about the ocean. The ocean can survive without a drop, but the drop will dry out without the ocean.

Seperation is embrace.

That is the way I approch it.

The more you know, the less you need. - Australian Aboriginal saying

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This 'No Man's Land' concept is very interesting from the Alchemical perspective. A 'Place' where the dualistic and polaric forces of this World and Universe have diminished powers, or no powers at all.

The Separator wears a Cloak - or a 'cloaking device' - to deflect/deviate/absorb the vulgar/dualistic forces which impede the manifestation of the much great power of the In-Between in our physical dualistic realm.

This cloak/separator creates a Field which is like a 'Bubble' or a 'Womb', where the normal vulgar and dualistic forces apply to a much lesser extent.
A special place is thus created for a much more noble and powerful Apparition/Manifestation.

God and the devil, good and evil, heaven and hell (common polarity archetypes of various belief systems) are powerless, once the Separator enters the scene. We are now literally in 'No Man's Land'.
An escape hatch has been created, a 'Zero/Null Point', from which access to Non-Duality is possible, resulting in Liberation.

Not only access to Non-Duality, but also access to the possibility for the Alchemical/Philosophical Hermaphrodite to gradually manifest in our midst, having a physical appearance. This is the part of Practical Lab Alchemy.

When we understand and properly employ this 'Separator' or this 'Cloak' - it creates Our Field of 'No Man's Land', which is our Philosophical Athanor.

On our way to the Promised Land, we must pass though the Desert/Null Point/No Man's Land. The Separator.

This cloak sounds like a certain condensation or cloud, I liked the word bubble you used. It makes sense that in order to get to the centre of it all; we need to quiet out the "noise" and have a place to come to our own. You speak as if you have experienced thus; clearly visibly to some degree in order to have a conception like this? The alchemist needs to be isolated from the impingement of the outside in order to find clarity. Wild concept I will say If I am understanding it correctly. So if one has found the pin, there is still the matter of pulling it..

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1) It is true without untruth, certain and most true:
2) that which is below is like that which is on high, and that which is on high is like that which is below; by these things are made the miracles of one thing.
3) And as all things are, and come from One, by the mediation of One, So all things are born from this unique thing by adaption.
4) The Sun is the father and the Moon the mother.
5) The wind carries it in its stomach. The earth is its nourisher and its receptacle.
6 The Father of all the Theleme of the universal world is here.
6a) Its force, or power, remains entire,
7) if it is converted into earth.
7a) You separate the earth from the fire, the subtle from the gross, gently with great industry. (The great work is no work at all)
8) It climbs from the earth and descends from the sky, and receives the force of things superior and things inferior.
9) You will have by this way, the glory of the world and all obscurity will flee from you.
10) It is the power strong with all power, for it will defeat every subtle thing and penetrate every solid thing
11a) In this way the world was created. (And can be done again, the separator is no longer part of this universe.)
12) From it are born wonderful adaptations, of which the way here is given.
13) That is why I have been called Hermes Tristmegistus, having the three parts of the universal philosophy.
14) This, that I have called the solar Work, is complete.
[Translated from Fulcanelli 1964: 312.]"

The brackets are my commentary

If I am totally off base my apologies, I have had an interesting stroll through alchemy forums today. At least I am reviving what I deem to be a pretty sweet thread!
 
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That which is above is like to that which is below, and that which is below is like to that which is above.

The paraphrase is peculiar to this Latin version, and does not render the original Arabic, which reads "from" rather than "like to".

Arabic translation using "from"

That which is above is from that which is below, and that which is below is from that which is above.

The water above is from the water below, the water below is from the water above

Rivers were known and called by ancients as serpents cutting through the land, a feathered serpent or flying serpent is a flying water. A vapour. The oldest alchemical figure the snake or dragon.

From my notes, I think the Arabic is more accurate