The Seed charging experiments or "How to charge strongest"

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Hi for some reason i cant seem to find a way to PM you...

Because you are too new here.

Read this:

 

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14.08.:05.08.: 21+21+20+16.5+16= 94.5 equal 18.9
Charger with spinn.(++)(--)+(2 side magnets, each on opposite side. Apart from the small side mags all mags at charger are always neodym, same as at the MEOW), groundwater, air.

14.08.:05.08.: 21.5+21.5+20+20.5+17.5= 101 equal 20.2
MEOW with -Nx-N, groundwater, air.

Analysis:
Obviously ++ holds better but charges less. We obviously need a better construction. But it'll come soon.
With inlet and outlet parted from each other.
Back to charger, the 2 side mags dont help much cause they charge but also airify the HIM.
The plus on top cant make enough change back since the HIM is moving to fats in his direction.
The whole construction is bad cause everything which charges is always bad, too!
I hope for the coming new constructions! Well see!
For the MEOW its surprisingly good as the airified HIM is pushed in the middle.
Weird that the same with a plus in the middle was much weaker: Well thge whole thing is to complex to reallay tell anything, we really need a more intelligent setup!
If this works or not wil prove if HIM or ORMUS is there or not.
My trap parts are actually on the way,
I only need to read up about shielding!
Ill come up with something that MUST be strong! If not, its all not true.
But I tend to believe well see results!
 

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15.08.:06.08.: 23+21+20.5+20+19= 103.5 equal 20.7
Charger with spinn.(++)(--)-(2 side magnets, each on opposite side.), groundwater, air.

15.08.:06.08.: 22+21+19= 62 20.666
MEOW with +Nx+N, groundwater, air.

No big surprises. Medium strong charging at the charger, good holding, but to much blows off also.
At MEOW not so strong charging and and not to much can be held back cause of ineffective directions of HIM movement.

From today I am doing experiments with faster spinner and pulser on top in charger. Just pulser needed to wait till tomorrow. Its to late today. But I took a bigger neodym top mag today. Maybe it was luck cause I wanna test some stuff first.
For the next days Ill do some last -- spinning at bottom with -- at sides and top mags, also some of the same without air. And with the other charger experiments with faster spinner and big neodym top mags! Just 2 or 3 which could be strong. Then soon switch to pulser instead of topt mag. Then some other construction with inlet and outlet. Il try most clever setups possible, not trying everything through.
 

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17.08.:08.08.: 23+22.5+19.5= 65 equal 21.666
Charger with spinn.(++)(++)+(2 side magnets, each on opposite side.), groundwater, air.

17.08.:08.08.: 23.5+23+19.5= 66 equal 22
MEOW with +Nx-N, groundwater, air.

Charger has enough holding of HIM but charging is weak. Probably pulls some off also since all is manifested, Or manifested strongly. So it cant be saved from getting pulled off even through air.
MEOW is slightly stronger as its not charging that strong but can push HIM back at least partly!
Maybe you cant accumulate much HIM(charger), but can charge the HIM strong(MEOW), like I suspected not long ago.
 
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18.08.:09.08.: 26.5+25.5+23+20= 95 equal 23.75
Charger with spinn.(++)(++)-, groundwater, air.

18.08.:09.08.: 24+21= 45 equal 22.5
MEOW with -Nx-N, groundwater, air.


With a minus on top the all else + charger is better than with plus.
Obviously at this strength a lot that is blown off(but also charged by the water->air change) is pushed back.
Maybe I should try (+-)(++)- ? But it wouldnt be much stronger I think, more would blow off. Maybe wed need a higher glass and more mags? However, a betetr build-iup comes soon.
-x- MEOW surprisingly strong. It seems part of HIM changes elements from all alone all the time. Also this way the pushing back effect is even stronger. Probably just a certain mass can be accumulated which is reached one way or another and its more about strength of charging.
 

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19.08.:10.08.: 25.5+24.5+20+19= 89 equal 22.25
Charger with spinn.(--)x+, groundwater, air.

19.08.:10.08.: 21 equal 21
MEOW with +Nx+N, groundwater, air.
Maybe -- on bottom is not bad as it pushes in the direction the HIM moves! When + comes afterward its maybe even better than + at bottom with strong mags and spinner. Sell see in some days when (--)(++)+ will be tested-
For the MEOW no surprises. Some charging and holding but not to much-
 

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Last two posts have a mistake, there was no air in the MEOW. Dont know why I cant edit them anymore.

20.08.:11.08.: 27.5+24+24+24+22.5= 122 equal 24.4
Charger with spinn.(--)x-, groundwater, air.

20.08.:11.08.: 24+19= 43 equal 21.5
MEOW with +Nx-N, groundwater, no air.
Charger damn strong. seems at this strength and with heavily airified HIM it can even get pressed back in water. Am looking forward to combinations with side mags.
MEOW not that strong, but since it has no air I think a minus on top really constantly presses HIM in, but on the other hand also leaches it
 

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21.08.:12.08.: 21+20.5+17.5= 59 equal 19.66
Charger with spinn.(--)x-, groundwater, no air.

21.08.:12.08.: 22.5+22.5+21.5+21+19= 106.5 equal 21.3
MEOW with +N+x, groundwater, air.

It seems not that much HIM can be pressed in from outside via a magnet with plus up and minus down. And the idea of parking it in the middel between - poles doesnt work to good also.
For the MEOW with + at bottom and at side with air isnt that strong although a top mag doesnt seem to be that important if there are already 2 +.
 

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23.08.:14.08.: 21.5+19.5+15.5+15.5=72 equal 18
Charger with (--)(++)-, groundwater, air.

23.08.:14.08.: 0 plants equal 0
MEOW with -Nx+N groundwater, no air.

Model totally proved! I thought I forgot the seeds for MEOW. But no, they were definetely there, all 5! Just none grew!!!
Sure, the minus upwards on top blocked all HIM away, while the + downward also pulled all HIM out of the water!
Such a clear result! Amazing!
for the charger The HIM was to aetherized obviously to not blow off! The small side mags couldnt help it!
The field of the bottom mags should reach even up to them And the field of teh top mag down to them so.
Only -+x with air was stronger in MEOW on 3.8. And in charger also on 16.4.(remember side mags were other way round as I thought).
I think if the movement fits there is a rotation of HIM between plus and minus as the minus at bottom cant push the HIM in water away so strong, so it gets taken down again by water movement. The minus on top is counter productive after -+. So A longer bottle would help it. Although no, -+- for MEOW on 26.7 is even worse for MEOW. But then the field of the MEOW mirrors the mag fields, probably teh MEOW pulls the HIM to minus on top where it leaches off.
MEOW is always hard to calculate as it distorts the mag fields and has its own field or bunch of micro fields. So when planning the next experiments shedule Ill probably go without MEOW or only use it for certain specific stuff.

24.08.:15.08.: 23+20+19.5+14.5= 77 equal 19.25
Charger with (--)(++)+, groundwater, air.
I did no MEOW on this day, there was nothing useful anymore. The next days I did 2 chargers as you will see the next days.

Charger was aetherizing air HIM which doesnt have big effect when its already in air. Some is changed into water by side and top mag but its again aetherized. So most is blown off. Its just not a good combination of mags.
 

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25.08.:16.08.: 23.5+21.5+20+14.5= 79.5 equal 19.875
Charger with (--)(--)-, groundwater, air.

The spinner of charger2m failed on 16. and 17. so it was just tested on 18.
Results of charger 1 are no surprise.
I hoped that maybe the strongly aetherized HIM was strongly pushed back and so didnt blowoff so much.
But I assume the inner gas pressure of HIM is mostly due to amount and not due to charge.
 

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26.08.:17.08.: 23+13.5+12.5+11.5= 60.5 = 15.125
Charger with (--)(--)+, groundwater, air.

Charger2 again failed.
Charger quite weak. No wonder, strongly aetherized, the plus not able to let HIM change but pulling HIM out!
 

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27.08.:18.08.: 21+21+20.5+14.5= 77 18.25
Charger with spinning(--)(--)-, groundwater, air.

27.08.:18.08.: 23.5+23+22.5+20+19.5+ 108.5 equal 21.7
Charger with spinning fast(++)x+, groundwater, air.

Analysis:
Charger much stronger than same with + on top! So the pushing back of the strong aetherized HIM is much betetr than the + which cant let the HIM change in water in that direction of movement. But it can pull even through air probably.
Again, model is supported strongly.
The second charger is better with ++ of course.But + on top probably pulls out some HIM so its not that strong, also no change of polarity, so quite imperfect model.
When I leave away the N at the neodym mags the last days, its just cause its always neodym on top and at bottom, not cause anything would have changed!

Im strongly making progress in designing a totally new device for charging!
Well see strong stuff or theres no charging at all! But I believe there is!
 

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28.08.:19.08.: 21.5+19.5= 41 equal 20.5
Charger with spinning(--)(--)-, groundwater, air.

28.08.:19.08.: 24+22+21.5+21+20= 108.5 equal 21.7
Charger with spinning fast(++)x+, groundwater, air.
No surprise for all minus. HIM pushed in but all aetherized not much gets held.
For the ++x+ no surprise also. Not much can get held.
 

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Hey @Willis this is an open forum meant for open discussion and debate, respectfully, when you have posted enough and have the proper merits/credentials/ idk the English, you will have that Privilege. From what I gather from my short time here, I really get a lot out of the back and forth.


Also I like to re read the Rules and guidelines from time to time

 

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29.08.: 20.8.: 24+23+22+21.5+19= 109.5 equal 21.9
Charger with spinning(++)(x)-, groundwater, air.

29.08.: 20.8.: mus t have forgotten planting
Charger with spinning(--)(++)+, groundwater, air.

I am a bit surprised the first one is not stronger,
but at this strength the effect of medium change is stronger than off pushing(or pulling).
Or maybe can minus not only make HIM change the medium when HIM moves in wrong direction, but also minus pushes it in the wrong direction so theres NO HIM AT ALL moving in the right direction to change into water. Would mean + on top theoretically isnt so bad, just there not enough time for medium change.

Well, its the last experiment for some time. At the moment I am constructing a new device for charging, Much more cleverly constructed than the old ones, abilitis of magnets not countering itself by using inlet and outlet and also using heavy shielding.
We should finallly be able to proof or correct the model or dismiss parts of it, well see. I hope to be able to put it to discussion by tomorrow, so keep watching!
 

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Heres my new shedule of experiments together with the plan of my new charging device:

Strongest combinations till now:
Meow: -+- air weak mags
+-x air weak mags
++- air weak mags


Charger: ++- air weak mags
+- x + air strong mags

Container/Shield:
Round container 25-35cm diameter, 45-60cm high
(big enough for bong),
DIY, folded from
aluminum, thin(thin enough to cut and fold)
or Aluminium foil and paper in layers
Ill make both, so Ill have 2 new containers/shields for testing.
Ill form a cylinder with bottom and a lid.
Ill use some kind of silicon like mass to glue it together and make it fit.
Lid:
Input hose through ring magnet, -down, airtight
Output through ring magnet, -down, airtight

Bottle construction for new charger:
Bong:
Inlet(where you suck air): -down, ringmagnet with hose going through,
airtight, air pumped in
outlet(where the head is): - down, far from water, ringmagnet
with hose going through, airtight
or outlet: +up under water line
(or both, but probably the side mags are enough +)
bottom: +up
side, 2 mags: + above water line, far away from all other mags
or + below water line, far away from all other mags
airstone with sides and top closed with foil
or atomizer in water reservoir at end of hose, so air gets blown to the bottom.

Experiments:

1.Round canister of aluminium(25-30cm diameter) with inlet through ringmagnet(minus in) and outlet through ringmagnet(minus in).
Bong inside at center with inlet with ringmagnet(minus in) and outlet with ringmagnet(minus in). Both mags far enough away from water.
Magnet at bottom, plus up.
Kickhole closed.
Air hose through both inlets(canister and bong) down into water, with air stone partly blocked with PE foil so air bubbles are moving down as long as possibly and water is circulating!
(Bong and magnets surrounded tight as possible with like 30 layers of aluminium foil.
Not sure about that one right now, maybe as addition later).

2. Same construction with additional mags above waterline, plus in.

3. Same construction with additional mags below waterline, plus in.

4.Same construction with additional mags above waterline, plus in. And - instead of + for bottom.

5.Same construction with additional mags below waterline, plus in. And - instead of + for bottom.

6. Same construction as in 1. with layers of aluminium and cardboard instead of aluminum only as outer container. Also aluminion foil and paper instead of aluminum foil only for surrounding of bong.

7. Same construction as in 2. with layers of aluminium and cardboard instead of aluminum only as outer container. Also aluminiun foil and paper instead of aluminum foil only for surrounding of bong.

8. Same construction as in 3. with layers of aluminium and cardboard instead of aluminum only as outer container. Also aluminion foil and paper instead of aluminum foil only for surrounding of bong.

9. Same construction as in 4. with layers of aluminium and cardboard instead of aluminum only as outer container. Also aluminion foil and paper instead of aluminum foil only for surrounding of bong.

10. Same construction as in 5. with layers of aluminium and cardboard instead of aluminum only as outer container. Also aluminion foil and paper instead of aluminum foil only for surrounding of bong.

11.-12. Strongest experiments repeated with dc pulser instead of bottom magnet.

13.-14. Strongest experiments repeated with additional electrolysis

15.-16. Strongest experiments repeated without air. Ideally 3,5, 6,8,10, but also depending on whats strong. These will strongly show the laws of HIM movement, so will at the end be most interesting.

17.-18. Recombinations depending on what should be strongest together or maybe to proof laws of HIM movement.

Alternatively:instead of + above or below waterline + in bong directly above water(with strings)

Extras/additional stuff:
-ultrasonic or music to stabilize water clusters
-alcohol in water or butane above as shield
-2nd chamber on top to save up (and maybe resuck in)HIM
-HIM changer(like a warmth changer but for HIM) to reuse blown off/ gassed off HIM.
Maybe with Venturi and ring magnet like trap at outlet connected with venturi to suck some air in at inlet
-1st chamber to precharge with HIM(strongest combination with strong blowoff, maybe charger (--)x+?)
-charger connected to new device, outlet goes to inlet, new devices outlet goes to chargers inlet, both hoses have venturis with rinmagnets for traps
-I am currently designing a circle of charger or MEOW with the new device and air pump. Looking for a clever way to circle HIM and let only the air blow off but not the HIM. A combination of the air circling and magtraps in the hoses.
-mason jar instead of bong, with aluminium , czech air lifter instead of air stone
hose parted, 1 hose in air lifter, 1 in air stone next to air lifter inlet so air gets sucked down and into air lifter inlet, + at bottom, + at side next to air lifter, ringmagnet minus down in inlet, ringmagnet minus down in outlet, both rings airtight in lid with hoses running through


What do you think of the general construction??
Ill first do the new charger, then add additional stuff.
But the charger alone should be strong!
If not Id have enough reason to question alchemy as a whole, dont you think? It should definetely work. Not?
Ill not put seeds in it but will use the precharged water on seeds, plants and myself and compare. There should be strong enough results.

Where should I buy the materials? The aluminium!
Which mass should I take for glueing and fitting?
Anything you would change?