The Seed charging experiments or "How to charge strongest"

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19.07:10.7.: 21+17.5+17.5+14.5=70.5 equal 17.625
Charger with spinning(+-)xx, groundwater, air stir bar. Same as yesterday, if I remember right the a hose was pulled out the day before.

19.07.:10.7.: 23+21.5+21.5= 66 equal 22
MEOW with +N+-N(its ++-, just top and bottom are neodym magnets), groundwater, air.
Analysis: The big fields at top and the +- at bottom seem problematic. I'll go with (++) at bottom soon. And I'll make bottom and lid with magnetite for the MEOW I think.
I'll have to look what seemed helpful and what not, but it needs a week or two more, than the picture will be clearer!

Ill have to analyse when having more data.
Depending in how top magst act I'll either change construction or use ring Magnets for top, where the hose can go through.
I dont need more complicated data, I want to prove the model. I will.
 
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20.07:11.7.: 23.5+20.5+17.5= 61.5 equal 20.5
Charger with spinning(+-)xx, groundwater, air stir bar. Same as yesterday, and the day before! But this time I am sure everything was correctly, as I told I redid 95 and 94, 94 comes tomorrow.

20.07.:11.7.: 23+21.5+20.5+17.5= 82.5
20.625
MEOW with +N+-N(its ++-, just top and bottom are neodym magnets), groundwater, air. Same as yesterday.
Analysis: Its weird results since the spinner. I still think the minus at bottom is not good, so logically stir bar doesnt help!
Also the top mags give strongly inconsistent results, since thes shield off the whole devices. Ill go for other constructions soon.
I think + down at top shields the whole thing with the minus up pushing all air HIM away. but why is it even worse with air? Maybe such a strong + field can pull the HIM even through air??
A minus on top doesnt seem that bad with air, maybe the plus upwards does pull HIM and the minus downward presses HIM down? But doesnt let HIM in, only presses the air HIM from air pumped in back down?
If I am right tomorrow without air should be worse for the MEOW.
We just need a new construction, its the only way to prove my theories, as this imperfect construction will never be able to give strong results. Ring magnets wont be able to help either. But since I am not far from getting through with actual shedule, Ill pull through. Theres enough testing to come to tell us what makes sense! Then I am trying some last stuff like (++) for charger with minus down(the hose going a way which doesnt let minus push HIM back through the hose! If I can make one or two experiments by my actual theories which go strong, itll be a big proof! But the on with new construction, inlet and outlet!
 
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21.07.:12.7.: 21.5+19+16.5= 57 equal 19
Charger with spinning(+-)xx, groundwater, no air, stir bar. Same as yesterday, if I remember right the a hose was pulled out the day before.

21.07.:12.7.: 12.5+11.5= 24 equal 12
MEOW with +N+-N(its ++-, just top and bottom are neodym magnets), groundwater, no air.

Charger with no air seems useless with the spinner AND stir bar.
Means that - above the plus of the stir bar is bad, while the + above the minus is not strong enough.
So the minus at bottom is bad.
But I still don't get whats with the strong top mags.
With air ++- wasnt so bad so the plus mags on the MEOW hold onto the HIM. But without HIM nothing comes in or its blown off.
Probably aetherized by the minus on top. I have to work out some better way to tests the real ways of HIM.
I will after actual shedule.
Maybe at this strength aetherization/ manifestations is stronger than pushing and pulling?
Yeah, seems I nailed it. Spinner is slightly beneficial, more when spinning and more with air. Of course, with air more can be manifested but not more aetherized.
Just dont get why +++ isnt better for MEOW with air.
If although weaker compared to weaker mags, pushing and pulling is even through air/water for plus/minus, Id make sense!
Hmm, sems a bit constructed on!
I need to test effects singlely, but also try togo strong. As I said I will after actual shedule!
 

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22.07.:13.7.: 23+20+18.5+16.5= 78 equal 19.5
Charger with stable(+-)x+, groundwater, no air. Same as yesterday, if I remember right the a hose was pulled out the day before.

22.07.:13.7.: 21+19+17+14= 71 equal 17.75
MEOW with -N+-N(its -+-, just top and bottom are neodym magnets), groundwater, no air.

MEOW makes sense according to my actual theory. The minus at top and bottom aren't so good. But without air it doesn't matter that much.
The minus at bottom without air seems better than plus here. Logical, I always assumed minus acts better on manifested HIM in water than already aetherized in air.
For charger the plus at bottom keeps HIM from blowing off. although there's not much charging without air or movement.
So it still fits.
I have just 3 days more to go with the actual shedule then all try to prove the stuff ny going stronger.
I'll probably try lid and bottom made of magnetite layers.
And for charger a glass with inlet and outlet.
 

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23.07.:14.7.: 22.5+22+20+20+15.5= 100 equal 20ki
Charger with stable(+-)x+, groundwater, with air. Same as yesterday.

23.07.:14.7.: 21+18.5+17+14= 70.5 equal 17.625
MEOW with -N+-N(its -+-, just top and bottom are neodym magnets), groundwater, with air.

Charger makes sense only sense when we tend to think at this strength the mag can pull HIM even through air while its at the same time making HIM move from wait o water. So no big use for the top mag. Another explanation would be that directly after crossing the plus down mag when going inside through the hose HIM can be stronger pushed away through the water by - at bottom, or if not pushed away, hindered from being caught by + at bottom. Too much possibilities, the whole construction is to complicated.
The MEOW makes sense too, minus mags cause HIM to go in air. Well better than no charging maybe, but not much better.
 

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24.07.:15.7.: 20+19.5+18.5+15 equal 73 equal 18.25
Charger with spinn.(+-)x+, groundwater, no air. But tge spinner failed somewhen, I must have accidentally pulled of a cable. Redid it next day.

24.07.:15.7.: 23+21+21+19+18= 103 equal 20.6
MEOW with +N-+N(its -+-, just top and bottom are neodym magnets), groundwater, no air.

Charger: I guess top mag and hose running in through the fields is majing stuff inconsistent. There's probably enough aetherized HIM to make it change back to water for the top mag, but air maybe too much, too fast in actual setup. Also maybe not much is going in since the top plus down is always also a minus up.
More important, with a plus at bottom air is good, but with a minus its bad. There should be lots of HIM movement, just not much stays.
MEOW: As I suspect, plus acts stronger on aetherized HIM, meaning air HIM or HIM having been handled by a minus field, but this is with charging anf making go into water, manifest.
The pulling is stronger, if not only, on water HIM/manifested HIM. So the top mag may pull the manifested HIM even through air at this strength of mag fields, as I suspected before. Also air maybe a bit fast for bottom magnet to act on air HIM.
So its not that strong, not that much HIM changes in water at bottom or at top, and which does may be partly pulled off.
 
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25.07.:16.7 14= 14 equal 14
Charger with spinn.(+-)x+, groundwater, no air.

25.07.:16.7.: 27+23.5+21= 71.5 equal 23.833
MEOW with +N-+N(its -+-, just top and bottom are neodym magnets),⁰ groundwater, no air.
Same experiments as yesterday cause of the failed spinner at yesterday's experiments.

What did I say about inconsistent results with the strong neodym mags and my setup?
MEOW much stranger than yesterday.
Results show plus down on top is good for MEOW, especially without air and especially after some mi us before. After obly plus it doesnt do much good, probably even bad, this speaks for pulling of manifested HIM even through air!
Same goes for minus being especially bad after a minus, that strong aetherized HIM blows off easy, with air or without air.
I am looking forward to same experiment with air tomorrow and to --+ without air and with air after that. Should be strong, although I am not sure about the air, could be too fast.

Charger totally failed.
Probably partly due to bad seeds, but still!
Charger is especially hard to predict as its a wild combination of good and bad factors. Amount of HIM in air or water, strength of mag field, movement through field, push or pull strongly depending on strength of charge...when actual shedule is done Ill construct something strong based on actual results. Then well see.
 

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26.07.:17.7: 27.5+25.5+25+22.5= 100.5 equal 25.125
Charger with spinn.(+-)x+, groundwater, air.

26.07.:17.7.: 25.5+23.5+22= 71 equal 23.666
MEOW with +N-+N(its -+-, just top and bottom are neodym magnets), groundwater, air.
As I suspected MEOW is same as strong with air as without at this combination. Lots of charging, but to much HIM blows off with air or is pulled of by the plus at bottom. Also with air minus can easier make HIM change to air!
Charger: Damned strong with air, yesterday damn weak without.
Well the plus mostly acts on the air HIM, making it change to water and manifest it. So while in the MEOW with weaker charged HIM it blows off at top here the strong charged air HIM is changed to water for the top mag. Also the strong movement at bottom between plus and minus charges strong, probably also cause its already precharged by having passed the top mag.
There seems to be big potential in strong charging at bottom.
Il probably next try stronger spinning!
 
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27.07.:18.7: 17.5 equal 17.5
Charger with spinn.(+-)x+,stir bar groundwater, no air.


27.07.:18.7.: 12.5+12.5= 25 equal 12.5

MEOW with -N-+N(its -+-, just top and bottom are neodym magnets), groundwater, no air.

Analysis: So with air bar and no air at least not as bad as without stir bar. Probably more mag fields and movement and less time for the minus to blow HIM off.
But MEOW was a total fail.
I think the HIM is airified and at this charging strength leaks through the glass.
Although without air the minus probably cant do much.
Even if some is brought to change back into manifested HIM by the top mag, its either pulled off or leaks through bottle when reaches the bottom minus.
Most important, no new HIM can enter the MEOW, the top magnet shields the opening.
 

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28.07.:19.7: 19.5+19.5+17=56 equal 18.666
Charger with spinn.(+-)x+,stir bar groundwater, air.


28.07.:19.7.: 22.5+21+18= 61.5 equal 20.5
MEOW with -N-+N(its --+ just top and bottom are neodym magnets), groundwater, air.

Weird, without a stir bar it was much stronger.
I know why: The stirbar moves the 3ater in the same direction as the spinners fields moves, so it's move through the fields is much slower. Also the stir bar equals the fields of the spinner. So its very bad! In future we have to find a way to move the water with air better. Without top mag the sticker seemed good cause it hinders HIM from getting blown of by the minus. But with top mag it's bad.

The MEOW is of course stronger than without air, but not really charging strong.
Air brings HIM in but only the top mag makes it move into water where the minus acts strongest on it. But of course it also acts on air HIM.
This quite strong aetherized HIM although not charged that strong, can be made to switch to water good by the plus on top, but can't piahed back good and the air is too fast to make a lot switch back to water.
 
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29.07.:20.7.: 24+21.5+17.5= 63 equal 21
Charger with stable(+-)x-, groundwater, no air.


29.07.:20.7.: failed, top mag fell off.
MEOW with +N--N(its +-- just top and bottom are neodym magnets), groundwater, no air.
Analysis:No wonder that charger is not strong, charging but without air and the top mag is not beneficial here.
I am currently topping up the actual HIM model fo strong magnets and setting up a new experiment shedule.
 
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Out of curiosity, have you done an experiment where you measured the weight of a pot, the soil in it, then placed the plant in the soil and measured the weight increase? I believe checking between which methods of charging induce the most the weight gain might be a valuable data point.
 

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Out of curiosity, have you done an experiment where you measured the weight of a pot, the soil in it, then placed the plant in the soil and measured the weight increase? I believe checking between which methods of charging induce the most the weight gain might be a valuable data point.
Huh?
Theres no weight increase, whatever the growth since the plants nutrients come from the earth! Only exception are leguminoses.
Or do you mean to place a plant in the soil, then rip it out and measure how much soil is used up? But transplanting plants would cause so different results, this all doesnt make sense.
You know which experiments I did?
I always charge water and 10 wheat seeds, then plant 5 of the wheat seeds for nine days and then check the length of the wheat! Very efficient I think. Bacteria may also be good, but to much effort for everyday and really equalized tests.
 

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31.07.:22.7: 21+20+18+16= 75 equal 18.75
Charger with stable.(+-)x-, groundwater, air.


31.07.:22.7.: must have forgot to plant the seeds)
MEOW with +N--N(its +-- just top and bottom are neodym magnets), groundwater,air.
Analysis: Minus on top can partly push back the HIM, otherwise itd be worse, but the I think due to speed of air it cant press back veray much and due to speed and upward movement it also cant cause lots of change from water. to air, buit a bit it does- Results were better with with air and stable spinner withou top mag, 19.833 on 7.7. Without air it was even better, so its the combination of air and minus on top which is bad. Two days ago it was 20.5 with minus top mag and no air, stable spinner. But in next days, I dont think spinning will do much good, as more charge just makes it be pressed back more, but waht does it help if it changes to air with so much minus?

But next thing Ill try will be ++ on bottom and all other kind of combinations.
Here is an updated model for normal and for strong mags which Ill try to prove,
but by not proving every small detail, but prove by charging stronger and getting stronger than ever was.
Handwriting is just an extra that was already in last presentation, you dont need it, its all in the text.

Model HIM:

Physical Factors:

Seeds germinate better when soaked in water.
Seeds germinate better in warmer conditions.
Seeds germinate better with higher O² levels.
Since heat is detrimental to O² levels, heat is only beneficial if additional air is circulated.
Seeds germinate better during the right season, even when grown in an indoor greenhouse.
However, this could also be due to conditions that are not fully optimized.

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Summary:
HIM is a force present in water and air that behaves like an electrically antimagnetic gas. That is, it is repelled by negative poles and attracted to positive poles.
Like electricity, it has different voltage states/charge states, ranging from low to high voltage.
The voltage is increased by magnetic fields, particularly when moving through them. The degree of voltage determines how strongly it is attracted and repelled, as well as the intensity of other effects.
Like a gas, it moves from areas of higher concentration to areas of lower concentration, as if it had gas pressure. It exerts this gas pressure on itself, but presumably not on actual gases.
This gas pressure exists in both air and water and also causes it to move from one medium to another.
Presumably, there is also an inherent magnetism, i.e., HIM attracts other HIM. This is contrary to the gas pressure.
As mentioned, the strength of the gas pressure and the attraction is influenced by the strength of the voltage state.

Similar to electricity and magnetism, HIM energy also exists in two states:
Aetherized, unbound HIM, which prefers to remain in air—that is, tends to move from water into air—and manifested, bound HIM, which prefers to remain in water—that is, tends to move from air into water.
These two states have a strong influence on how HIM is charged and moved by magnetic poles; at the same time, it is primarily polar magnetic fields that cause HIM to transition from one state to the other.
A negative pole aetherizes HIM, i.e., causes manifested HIM to transition to the aetherized state, which has the side effect of causing HIM to move from water into air.
The strength of the effect depends on whether there is enough air available for HIM to move into and on the counteracting gas pressure of HIM in that air.
The negative pole also charges HIM that is already aetherized in air, but the charging effect is stronger on manifested HIM in air and on manifested HIM in water (these are both charged AND aetherized), and even stronger when the manifested HIM is aetherized and can move in air.
The positive pole does the opposite: it charges HIM that has already manifested in water, but it charges aetherized HIM in water and air even more strongly (and manifests it); it charges aetherized HIM in air—which can move into water (after it is manifested)—most strongly.
The poles not only cause a gas-pressure-like transfer of HIM from one medium to another (as when CO₂ moves from CO₂-saturated water into the air), but, as mentioned, also have a distinct magnetic effect on HIM—though HIM does not adhere to the magnet but appears to move right through it.
The positive pole attracts HIM, while the negative pole repels it. In the case of attraction by the positive pole, however, the HIM presumably moves through the magnet and is subsequently repelled by the negative pole there.
Here, too, the strength of the effect depends on the strength of the charge—and, of course, on the strength of the magnetic field.
Crucially important, however, is the state of the HIM—whether it is manifested or aetherized—as well as the medium in which the HIM is located.
The negative pole can push aetherized HIM through air, and possibly also manifested HIM through air—though with less force (in the sense that it aetherizes the manifested HIM while simultaneously repelling it)—but it cannot push manifested HIM through water. Presumably, it cannot push aetherized HIM through water either, or at most only weakly or strongly, depending on the charge state!
However, because it acts specifically on manifested HIM in water, aetherizing it and causing it to transfer into the air, it can, of course—as mentioned—cause HIM to transfer from water into the air and attract this HIM that is now in the air.
Conversely, it can draw manifested HIM through water—and possibly also aetherized HIM through water, though to a lesser extent (in the sense that it manifests and attracts the aetherized HIM)—but it cannot draw HIM through air.
However, since it acts specifically on aetherized HIM in air, manifesting it and thereby causing it to transition into water, it can attract this HIM that has transitioned into water.
It is therefore likely that either the range into the other medium is severely limited, or the process is significantly slowed down by the initially necessary transition.
It is unclear whether manifested HIM in air or aetherized HIM in water actually exists; it likely depends only on humidity or dissolved oxygen in the water.
In principle, however, HIM appears to exist independently of oxygen atoms in air and water.

It follows that air bubbled through water can introduce HIM into the water or draw it out, depending on magnetic fields, gas pressure, and attraction (the latter two depending on the amount and charge state of HIM in the water and air, respectively).
Logically, the extent to which HIM is moved by positive and negative poles between media depends heavily on the relative motion and dwell time of HIM in relation to the field.
For example, if air moves toward a positive field underwater (due to injected air bubbles) and remains there for a long time, the HIM can be effectively drawn from the air into the water. This is especially true when accompanied by horizontal movement, because, as mentioned, the strength of the effect arises not only from the presence of the field but also—though not entirely—from movement through that field.
If the bubbles rise again, negative poles can easily move the air from the water into the air; as long as they were moving downward, the HIM would have had to be moved in the opposite direction to that in which the water—and especially the air—is moving.

Conversely, air rising in the water can hardly be transferred into the water from a positive pole located above the water and air; although the HIM cannot be pulled through the air, it is pulled upward through the water in the same direction as the rising air.
However, the transition from air to water would generally have to occur downward; upward movement is only possible from the air bubbles into the water, not from the air above the water’s surface. Furthermore, due to the rapid movement of the bubbles, there is very little time and space available for this process.
A negative pole above the water, on the other hand, can push the HIM—which is rising with the air—downward; however, the air is slightly too fast for this, and the HIM cannot return to the water due to the effect of the negative pole.
Strictly speaking, it should transition from the water into the air, but this is largely prevented by the opposite direction of the HIM’s movement. Nevertheless, a “HIM carpet” should form above the water’s surface, growing stronger until a permanent back-and-forth motion is established.
With weak magnets, the transition from one state to another is a stronger effect than the push-pull effect. However, the more frequently the HIM changes states and the more it is charged, the greater the influence of the push-pull effect becomes; since this effect is what brings the HIM into the effective range in the first place, it is more important than its seemingly lower strength would suggest.

It follows that:
Positive poles at the bottom or on the side of a glass vessel containing HIM-rich water charge the HIM or presumably even draw more of it in through the glass, since the effect seems somewhat too strong for mere charging, even without air.
Or new HIM is attracted by the inherent magnetism.
They are more effective than negative poles at the bottom and on the side, especially with air present.
Pluses at the top allow the HIM to transfer into the water if the air isn’t moving too fast—that is, not too much. However, with bubbling air, they can only cause a portion of the escaping HIM to return to the water; nevertheless, the effect is significantly stronger than with minuses at the bottom or sides.

Negative poles at the bottom or on the side aetherize the HIM and cause it to off-gas—that is, to transform into air—especially when air is bubbled through the water.
In this case, the total strength (i.e., the combination of quantity and charge state) decreases; without air, it can easily increase because the HIM cannot off-gas as easily. Also, depending on the negative poles, a positive pole above the water is particularly effective at causing the HIM to return to the water—that is, at preventing it from discharging and charging it more strongly.
In this case, with air, the negative poles charge more strongly and the positive pole can prevent less HIM from discharging; without air, the negative poles charge less strongly, but the positive pole can prevent more HIM from discharging and push it back with a stronger charge.
However, since the positive pole pointing downward is simultaneously a negative pole pointing upward, no HIM can be added, and this variant without air is not very effective at charging.
A negative pole above the water prevents the HIM from escaping; the effect is particularly strong with air—where the charge and quantity are greater—especially after positive poles.
At least when the airflow isn’t too strong, the HIM is pushed back, while the effect of causing the HIM to transition from water to air—due to the upward movement of the air—is blocked, thus counteracting the potential effect of the transition from water to air.

Here, in contrast, the HIM transitions from air to water.
Similarly, a positive pole on the ground appears to be able to draw the HIM out of the air only as long as it is moving downward.
This again points to the high relevance of the push-pull effect compared to a purely independent change of medium in the case of weak magnets.
Both polarities are strongest in the presence of a magnet of opposite polarity, but only because the HIM is then in the state—and, if applicable, the medium—in which the respective polarity has the strongest effect.
However, if the correct medium is missing, no strong effect can occur. Without air, positive poles do not seem to be very effective for overall strength; they presumably pull the HIM through the glass and out of the water.
Here, negative poles are strongest at the bottom and above the water, or only above the water. They presumably keep the HIM stable in the center or prevent it from dissipating while new gas accumulates unhindered.

Strong magnets:
HIM can even be moved through the opposite medium—pulled by Plus through air, pushed by Minus through water.
However, not as strongly as through its actual corresponding medium.
And here, just as in the actual corresponding medium, the pull/push is stronger on HIM in its corresponding mode, not—as with a charge—stronger on the opposite mode.
This means that the positive pole can pull HIM—which is most strongly, if not exclusively, manifested—through air. The negative pole can primarily push aetherized HIM through water.
Presumably, the difference is not that great in practice, since, for example, a positive pole manifests aetherized HIM and can then pull it through air.
However, with stronger magnets, the influence of the medium change (air → water, water → air) is greater than the influence of the push-pull effect in relation to each other and compared to weaker magnets.
Due to the stronger influence of the push-pull effect on more strongly charged HIM, this difference in the strength of the effects naturally becomes smaller as the charge strength increases.

For example, a negative pole pointing downward above the water behaves differently here; it exerts more downward pressure and can, in principle, push the HIM back into the water more effectively, but it also causes far more aetherization—that is, far more of it transitions from water to air. However, the positive pole pointing upward actually attracts the HIM from the air, so it is pushed downward even more! It is unclear whether a negative pole above the water is better or worse overall than with weaker magnets; above all, it behaves differently

A positive pole above the water completely shields the water, because the upward-pointing negative pole does not allow any HIM to pass through. If the vessel containing water is placed inside a tight-fitting container, the entire container is shielded, and no HIM can be introduced through the inherent magnetism; only HIM can be more easily released through the positive pole.
That is why a positive pole from above is problematic with strong magnets. Strangely enough, it seems to be even worse with air, which suggests that at this strength, HIM from the positive pole is actually drawn through the air, so that it never reaches the water in the first place.

Minus above the water doesn't seem bad. It's just that after a lot of Plus without air, it probably etherizes the HIM here so it can fly away.
But after a negative charge when the Him is already etherized—if air is introduced so that etherized Him is brought in—it pushes it back and prevents it from escaping. After a negative charge with air, it naturally pushes it back more, but the air also allows more to escape; the effects balance each other out, so air makes no difference here.

Positive and negative charges underwater increase the overall strength slightly.
HIM is manifested and attracted by the positive pole, but aetherized and repelled by the negative pole; however, without air, it cannot be repelled as strongly as it is attracted by the positive pole.
Air still increases the overall strength, as it introduces more HIM and moves the HIM through the fields, but of course, more can also be aetherized and carried away this way.

Rotating magnets on the bottom beneath the water are beneficial because the HIM moves more vigorously through the magnetic fields and thus becomes more strongly charged. Depending on the speed, when the positive and negative poles alternate, the negative pole may not be able to push the HIM away, but the positive pole may not be able to attract it either, so it remains somewhat unbound in the water.
Air is also beneficial here for the overall strength, as more HIM is drawn in. Of course, more exhaust gases can be emitted as well, but at this strength, HIM is pushed away anyway, and whether the HIM can be pushed into the air by the negative pole depends on the speed of rotation and thus the duration of exposure to the negative field.

A stirrer is counterproductive with air because it moves the HIM along with the magnetic fields, thereby slowing down the movement through the magnetic fields. Furthermore, its opposing magnetic field partially cancels out the lower positive and negative fields. Thus, less charging occurs. Without air, the rotating stirrer makes no significant difference—it’s likely slightly beneficial for the charge due to increased movement, but the fields cancel each other out.


To be proven:
More movement = more charge
Negative charges are stronger; + aetherized HIM flies away more easily
Lid Effect vs. Mag Effect (raised lid?, second chamber at the top?)


Ideas:
-Negative pole at the top to collect the HIM. (Negative pole at the bottom to collect it—raise the MEOW or charger?)
-Additional collector at the bottom?
-2 opposing magnets to keep the HIM in the center.
E.g. Minus at the top and bottom, 2 positive side magnets?
-Spin faster
-Lid with a hole and a ring magnet (minus down)
-Inlet and outlet; use exhaust air at the top to push the HIM back (HIM exchanger,
Like a heat exchanger, but with HIM); collect HIM on the side.
-Return degassed HIM
-Electrolysis

New experiments shedule:
spinning ++x+ air
spinning ++x+ with 2 negative at sides air
spinning ++x+ with 2 positive at sides air
spinning++x- air
spinning++x- with 2 negative at sides air
spinning++x- with 2 positive at sides air
spinning--x+ air
spinning--x- no air
spinning--x- air
spinning--x- with 2 plus at sides air
spinning--x- with 2 plus at sides no air
spinning--x- with 2 minus at sides air
spinning--x- with 2 minus at sides no air

Meow +-x air
Meow -+x air
Meow -x- no air
Meow +x+ pulser
Meow +x- pulser
Meow -x- pulser
Meow -x+ pulser

Bong with a negative down at the top inlet, a positive up at the bottom, a negative down at the neck,
and a positive at the kickhole.
Bong with a negative down at the top inlet, a positive down at the bottom inlet, a positive up at the bottom,
a negative down at the neck, the kickhole closed, and a positive opposite the inlet.

Lid for Meow with a magnetite layer and two ring magnets, minus down for the inlet, and also minus down for the outlet. Both with a hose. Optional Y-piece at the outlet with a second minus down at the outlet, plus down at the backflow to the inlet with one more plus against the direction of flow, the same as the inlet ring magnet to be added later. Or another design based on the HIM blow-off collector.
 

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01.08.:23.7.: 21+20.5+17.5= 59 19.666
Charger with spinn.(+-)x-, groundwater, no air.

01.08.:23.7.: 23+22.5+22+17= 84.5 equal 21.125
MEOW with -N++N, groundwater, no air.

So obviously with a minus on top air is even bad. Although itd be much better with air and without a minus. However with air the HIM is blown off but not hals as much as is brought in. The result of only spinning spinner and air was 23.5 on 4.7. Now with minus on top the minus cant push the HIM back, or maybe it does, but it cant change to the water with the minus, also a lot is aetherized. Theres probably a lot collecting above the water surface. Maybe Ill try it by using this air somewhen. Till tehn I have a lot of experiments planned which should be powerful enough.
Oh something different: I was wrong about the polarity of the small side magnets all the time.
ALL SIDE MAGNETS were the other way round, what should be + was -, and what should be minus was plus.
But luckily I realized that my model this way fits even better and a lot of experiments is in fact easier to explain!

I started the new shedule today with the ++ spinner with plus on top and air and the +-x and air for the MEOW.
The first experiments from shedule in post #164.
For the MEOW its a redo of the strongest experiments without 3 mags and air!
 
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02.08.:24.7.: 21+18= 39 equal 19.5
Charger with spinn.(+-)x-, groundwater, air.

02.08.:24.7.: 18+17.5= 35.5
MEOW with -N++N, groundwater, air.

As I said, with air a minus on top is even bad. Lots of HIM is blown off after getting charged strongly. For the MEOW the HIM is so much aetherized (remember the side magnets were all the opposite way round than thought, so it's --+ in fact. So the plus can't make so much change back to water, although I think without results would be a lot worse.
Same for with no air as there would get no HIM in! So the plus partly recues it, but air is to fast and most important,
moving in the wrong direction to make it possible for the plus down on top to let HIM change back into water.
 

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02.08.:25.7.: 20+18.5+18= 56.5 equal 18.866
Charger with spinn.(+-)x-, groundwater, stir bar, no air.

02.08.:25.7.: 17 equal 17
MEOW with -N--N, groundwater, no air.

Lets not forget the polarity of the side magnet is other way round as it was always so its in fact -+- for MEOW.
I suspect --- would be a bit better as it could be pushed back better. But shouldn't be much difference.
Oh yes, was right, on 13.7. It ("-+-" in fact ---) was 17.75!
Charger is no surprise as we know stir bar isnt good but not much difference without air. Problem is the - on top pulls HIM in but also makes everything gas off. Especially after the stirrer, such aetherized HIM is pushed away more than pulled down, so cant get in range of + for being pulled down and stored.

I just hope the ++ stirrer gets stronger. If it does, the whole model is proved. I could even add small weaker - mags between the 2 strong +. But first prove the model.
 

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Of course I meant 3.8. yesterday.

04.08.:26.7.: 22.5+22+21.5+20+19= 105 equal 21
Charger with spinn.(+-)x-, groundwater, stir bar, air.

04.08.:26.7.: 17.5+15.5+14.5= 47.5 equal 15.833
MEOW with -N--N, groundwater, air.

Analysis: Makes sense. With air the spinner can hold and chareg more HIM, and the minus on top push more back. But still a lot blows off. The minus on top is bad and the stir bar also. So even with the strong charging to much blows oss.
In the MEOW nearly all HIM is pushed in the air by the bottom minus or aetherised by teh top minus. Only some combinations without air and lots of minus are worse.
 

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Thanks Awani for your response, I will be doing that.
It relates directly to alchemy and infusion of the stone into the plant kingdom with some state of the art technology.
I am always interested in alchemy/ alternative science stuff relating to plants.
Please send me a PM with more information.
Have you done any testing? Id be interested. Check my Kervran experiments thread.
If your stuff is looking like great shit, I am going to test it.

Sorry to al others for not yet posting the digitaslized versions of my notes. I am heavily busy with the process of setting up an automation to digitalize it. I hope I can manage in the next days.
And I am busy with the shedule from some posts ago!
Here first results:
11.08.:02.8.: 21+18.5+16=55.5 equal 18.5
Charger with stable(++)x+, groundwater, with air. Same as yesterday.

11.08.:02.8.: 22+22+18=62 equal 20.66
MEOW with +N-x(side mag is as always just a small mag. But its for the first time correctly described,
meaning - is really -! Like I told you, I always got the side mags wrong til now and it was always other way round,
+ is -, - is +, but from here its correct), groundwater, with air.

Analysis:
Meow not bad withou top mag- But weirdly a LOT weaker than with big ferrit!! They should be around equally strong! Is it cause of the less equalised filed??? I really have NO IDEA! Oh, ídiot me, it wasnt +-x but really ++x! Should I retry? Lets see!
And teh charger? It should bring lots of HIM to the bottom and not lets a lot blow off! So why this weak result???
Why arent we going stronger???
Maybe you can just save up so and so much HIM in water.
Or you can charge it strong, but cant store a big amount!
Maybe key is strong charging, not collecting much!!
It seems ways of charging strong are similar to ways of breaking clusters and getting ec, ph and orp high, but far from being the same.
So we should aim for breaking the clusters, but in a way which is in consent with my model of HIM!!!
I really dont know at the moment! I think water alone is not enough. I need some crystals or such. Or some combination of oxygen and carbon. Or maybe just a circle of HIM movement, like in electrolysis.
Maybe when my trap is ready. I am done shopping and will be able to build it up soon.
How do I have to shield the ORMUS in my trap, what do I need for shielding hoses and bottle?????

And I dont dare to use the pulser on the MEOW for moving the fields!
I am afraid of boiling the HIM out of the magnetite? What do you mean??
Can I shield it somehow, maybe even boil it in a closed room?
Currently it seems to help with growing roots at plants under a DWC(deep water culture).
But Ill try it with my 2nd charger if I dont find a solution for the MEOW.
There MUST be a way to go strong!!! Dont you think??

Forgot to post this yesterday, so here todays results too:
12.08.:03.8.: 23+22+18+17= 80 equal 20
Charger with stable(++)x-, groundwater, with air. Same as yesterday.

12.08.:03.8.: 23.5+22.5+21.5+21.5+18= 107 equal 21.4
MEOW with -N+x(side mag is as always just a small mag. But its for the first time correctly described,
meaning + is really +! Like I told you, I always got the side mags wrong til now and it was always other way round,
+ is -, - is +, but here its correct), groundwater, with air.

Analysis:
No wonder-+x is a bit stronger in MEOW than +-x. A + at bottom has to work against his antural direction of movement, meaning it cant work so good when the HIM moves away from it(like the bubbles do). - can work better here. And of course teh plus at side is better than the +.
Whats shocking is its all weaker than with ferrit mags of about the same strength,
meaning which have a bigger but less strong field, being much bigger but
much weaker!
And for the charger, on first look it seems weird a - on top is better here than a +(yesterday), but again the plus would have to work against teh movement of HIM to be usefulk,also against teh direction of its pull! The minus aetherises, but it cant aetherize here really cause it needed to work against the his natural movement direction which is push(away) whili to HIM is coming closer to it. so it can only push the HIM back, so making it change back into water partly. Its all consistent with the model.
But the shit is neodym doesnt seem to give much stronger results.
This is weird.
Also movement gives betetr results but not that much betetr. Understandable, as the movement of the spinner isnt much bigger than when moving teh water with air,
So what will I do?
Probably try faster spinner and a different setup!
Also try pulser on charger for faster movement of field.
Also a more intelliegnt setup. I think that should really go strong.
If not Ill try shielding! But whats charger and MEOW? Well, Ill try lids. Of metal or magnetite. also shielding teh flasks. Aluminium foil maybe?
 

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I am always interested in alchemy/ alternative science stuff relating to plants.
Please send me a PM with more information.
Have you done any testing? Id be interested. Check my Kervran experiments thread.
If your stuff is looking like great shit, I am going to test it.
Hi for some reason i cant seem to find a way to PM you...