The Seed charging experiments or "How to charge strongest"

[Widur]

I had this in my gardening thread, but I think it deserves a thread of its own.
I made this charging device I showed in "All ways of charging water" thread.
It mimicks a MEOW kettle(I am currently building a MEOW kettle, just still need some help and machine from my neighbour).
Basically I am trying to find out how the gaia particles/sm/orgon works and how to charge strongest!
I did some experiments and I am planning a lot more.
I have magnets, air, red light, a magnetic pulser(although its not yet working at proper power, I am still at it).
I tried charging seeds over a spinning plus pole of a magnet, same in water with air bubbled through it, same with more magnets, groundwater, etc.
I am planning a lot more.
First I want to find out how to really charge with magnets(or however), it seems to be all about the movement through magnetic field, but also about blocking out other fields!
But why are Milewski kettles open upside? Wouldnt be closed better?
Or with a magnet above it to force the HIM back in solution?
I thought about using red light, I have heard light doesnt really induce spin itself, but transduces it.
What about shining red light in a white MEOW kettle?
Last, I think to really concentrate the Him we have to make a barrier.
The MEOW kettle seems to be only a magnetic barrier, not a HIM barrier.
So what about adding a layer of alcohol, co2 or carbon?
Possibilites, possibilities...
First heres the experiments. Then some more pics of the equipment.
I want to discuss with you what to do further and how to get good results.
And especially what the results mean.
So here:

First charging experiment.
I used 1/3 Berlin ground water and 2/3 tap.
I drank 2 glasses of the water now I charge seeds of old wheat strains.
I have a control group as you see. In a few hours I will plant them side by side.

I charged water now I am charging seeds.
I used a third of ground water and 2/3 tap.
I have a control group of seeds in normal water.
Ill plant them side by side, aber having them soaked and charged like 9 hours.
For more detailed info about the charging device see the all ways of charging water thread.
Its basically a spinning magnet, but with plus always upward.
Over it air is bubbled through water.
The whole stuff is inside a double layered warmkeeper bottle with stainless steel walls.
I thought I could maybe use it as MEOW kettle.

Widur​

Terrae​

Hermetic Pilgrim
Heres the seeds growing. The charged ones are further. Right side.

Widur​

Terrae​

Hermetic Pilgrim
They are still much further.

I am currently doing more charging experiments.
I charged some seeds, this time all khorosan wheat, without water in the charger with the spinning magnet.
Sadly I have problems with the cheap construction, so the magnet didnt run ALL the time, but most. I just replicated the scheme next time when I charged wheat in tap water was it I think with was for weeks miced with azomite and some drops of KOH.
I neutralized it with some vinegar and decanted the water.
I charged the seeds in that water with air bubbling through it.
Next time I use pure berlin groundwater.
I cant do it side by side but I will letter the pots with the dates and check height at some certain day, 6th or whatever.
I allways plant 5 seeds.
Sadly I cant really control the temps and amount of light.
Although I should be able to keep temps halfway equal in that double window and light shouldnt be too important the first days.
What do you think?
When I have build together my meow kettles Ill compare my charger with it.
Also I want to try adding red light, magnetic pulsing and electrolysis.
What do you think it will do to the seeds? Alchemically.

Widur​

Terrae​

Hermetic Pilgrim
More seed charging experiments.
Now I used pure groundwater with air bubbling through. Seeds are planted. Like the last time the spinner didnt run all time, but this time sadly cause my device got flooded.

I use a pot made from foil but its tight just some con den sation outside.
The air bubbles dont cause spray also.
I had this issue before but not as bad.
I fear the motor is dead, but maybe it just has to dry.
Meantime I charge seeds over a non spinning but closer magnet. Its in a smaller vessel made of glass but so the bubbling is much stronger.
And I can make the device more closed, shielded with metal better cause of the lid nearly fitting and not just put on.

Do you think the lid is even good?
MEOW kettles have no lid.
Is it in order to let the ormus or exotic energies flow in?

 Widur​

Terrae​

Hermetic Pilgrim
45 minutes ago
More of the seed charging experiments:
Overview:
1.3. Seeds charged 24 hour o. spinning magnet in 1/3 Berlin ground water 2/3 tap, air bubbled through
1.3. Control: Seeds 24 hours in tap water
16. 3. Seeds charged 24 hours over spinning magnet, no water. Lid closed.
17.3. Seeds charged 24 hours o. spinning magnet in tap water that was in bottle with azomite and KOH for weeks and neutralized with vinegar. Air bubbled through water. Lid closed.
18.3. Seeds charged 24 hours o. spinning magnet in pure Berlin groundwater, air bubbled through it. Lid closed.
19.3. Seeds charged 24 hours in 1 day old berlin groundwater over (stable) magnet(not spinning), air bubbled through. (I used a glass this time instead of the diy plastik stuff, cause I flooded the device and damaged the spinner( I could fix it). So there was more air and movement due to the smaller vessel. Lid closed.
21.3. Seeds charged 24 hours in Berlin ground water over spinning magnet and with magnets attached to the side. air bubbling through. Lid open
Here:

So that was it from gardening thread.
In the actual experiment the small magnets have the plus pole at the thinner end.

So how shall I go on? I want to try the last one with closed lid next time.
Do you think its better to spin the water or to pump air through it?
Is there a difference between charging the seeds and charging the water?

 

[Kiorionis]

I want to discuss with you what to do further and how to get good results.

What is your control in this? the substrate? With all that energy moving around you should consider a light copper cage/faraday cage to keep your control in.


Like this:



Except replace my flask with your control plant. Then add a magnet.

 

[Widur]

What is your control in this? the substrate?

I dont understand what you mean.

With all that energy moving around you should consider a light copper cage/faraday cage to keep your control in.

Are you considering to grow the plants in a faraday cage to keep the HIM from blowin off? You mean after charging I think cause it is in such cache dringend charging. Right?

I dont really see the sense in it because what would control that.
Also growing plants in faraday cages is impractical I think. Its mor an Option for later experiments I think.
But now we only want to find out how to charge strongest!
I dont see the sense in the faraday cage.
Could you explain?
Do you think it would differ the results cause of different amounts and spin of gaia particles, meaning some fly of quicker than others?

 

[Kiorionis]

For the control, I mean, you’re keeping your charged seeds in the same box as the uncharged ones?

 

[Widur]

Which box? I did uncharged ones one time at the beginning. Of course outside the charger in plain tap water. They have their owm pot of earth.
Apart from that I am doing 1 charging experiments the day and plant them all in single pots next to each other.
I have to do a control again.
Its a place issue also.

 

[Widur]

Overview:
1.3. Seeds charged 24 hour o. spinning magnet in 1/3 Berlin ground water 2/3 tap, air bubbled through
1.3. Control: Seeds 24 hours in tap water
16. 3. Seeds charged 24 hours over spinning magnet, no water. Lid closed.
17.3. Seeds charged 24 hours o. spinning magnet in tap water that was in bottle with azomite and KOH for weeks and neutralized with vinegar. Air bubbled through water. Lid closed.
18.3. Seeds charged 24 hours o. spinning magnet in pure Berlin groundwater, air bubbled through it. Lid closed.
19.3. Seeds charged 24 hours in 1 day old berlin groundwater over (stable) magnet(not spinning), air bubbled through. (I used a glass this time instead of the diy plastik stuff, cause I flooded the device and damaged the spinner( I could fix it). So there was more air and movement due to the smaller vessel. Lid closed.
21.3. Seeds charged 24 hours in Berlin ground water over spinning magnet and with magnets attached to the side. air bubbling through. Lid open

More:
22.3. Seeds charged 24 hours in 2 day old berlin ground water over spinning magnet and with magnets attached to the side. air bubbling through. Lid CLOSED.
The photo is bad because of light, Il provide better ones, but this is the testing line:

Left is the one with 5 Seeds from 16.3., the 5th and 6th in line(the2 small pots) are 21.3. and 22.3. So I hope they take over.

Important: what should I do next?
I will build Meow kettles today and I have a magnetic pulser, replcated from ghetto alchemist, just it doesnt run with my clever laptop power supply.
I can currently only run it at 24Watt instead of 120 or such!
Also its quite different from my charger and I want to test it single before combining them.
And I want to test my charger with the water stronger curculating(Ill put a hose into the airhose wich pulls water in the air and this will get used to form a vortex.
I would also like to test without air in the water.
Maybe then les HIM flys off.
I have a spinning magnet below, couldnt I easily spin the water with something? What do I need exactly?
So planned is:
charger:
-2magnets, water spinning faster with the air
-2magnets and magnet above to push HIM back
-2 magnets and red light with white foil to push HIM back and amplify it by light(transduce the info on itself by reflection)

MEOW kettles:
-charge in kettle 24 hours with Berlin groundwater
-charge in kettle with Berlin groundwater with magnet at ground
-charge with magnet and water bubbled through
etc. (I basically want to replicate the charger experiments with MEOW kettles to see whats better.)

pulser:
-pulse the seeds for ca. 1-2hour(use same amount of power as charger in 24 hours) with 12v 2a.
-pulse seed with same amount of power but stronger supply, so shorter.
Then combine somehow with MEOW kettle or charger.

So what to do next?
My space is quite limited so I do one experiment a day.
So I have to think what to do next cause of the changing weather, with is an external influence.
Maybe I should first do the MEOW kettle experiments so I know whats better, kettle or charger, before I try to enhance the used techniques?
What do you think?

 

[Kiorionis]

Of all of those plants in your most recent photograph, which one is “1.3. Control: Seeds 24 hours in tap water”?

 

[Widur]

Of all of those plants in your most recent photograph, which one is “1.3. Control: Seeds 24 hours in tap water”?

None.
Its the left one of the first pics of two pots. Post 1. Of course its only a control for 1.3.2026!
The right pot is: 1.3. Seeds charged 24 hour o. spinning magnet in 1/3 Berlin ground water 2/3 tap, air bubbled through. Their much further from beginning

The most recent pic has no control till now, but I will slip one between soon.
The pots are from left to right:
16. 3. Seeds charged 24 hours over spinning magnet, no water. Lid closed.
17.3. Seeds charged 24 hours o. spinning magnet in tap water that was in bottle with azomite and KOH for weeks and neutralized with vinegar. Air bubbled through water. Lid closed.
18.3. Seeds charged 24 hours o. spinning magnet in pure Berlin groundwater, air bubbled through it. Lid closed.
19.3. Seeds charged 24 hours in 1 day old berlin groundwater over (stable) magnet(not spinning), air bubbled through. (I used a glass this time instead of the diy plastik stuff, cause I flooded the device and damaged the spinner( I could fix it). So there was more air and movement due to the smaller vessel. Lid closed.
21.3. Seeds charged 24 hours in Berlin ground water over spinning magnet and with magnets attached to the side. air bubbling through. Lid open.
22.3. Seeds charged 24 hours in 2 day old berlin ground water over spinning magnet and with magnets attached to the side. air bubbling through. Lid CLOSED.

I have now also planted charged in MEOW kettle and charged with two magnets and more air making a vortex.
Am charging in a MEOW kettle with magnet at bottom(is plus up a good idea?) and charged with two magnets and more air making a vortex plus magnet above(to force HIM back like in a magtrap).
Photos later.
I had just no place for a control but tomorrow Ill start doing the testing in a greenhouse with more stable environment and with controls!
Ill get you pics later.

What should I do next? I have to test the MEOW kettles versus the "charger".
Maybe magnet below and air bubbled through with both?
When I know which is stronger, next idea would be to put a red lamp above and do white foil at tthe insides.
So the light transduces information/ HIM from the water on itself!
Also electrolysis could be a gamechanger or magnetic pulsing.
Maybe a shield of co2, alcohol or carbon.
Or would this block HIM from coming in?
I thought only from getting pulled off from oxygen?
Interesting line of research.
What do you think?
Also today I am going to measure the first from 16.3. today. 17th tomorrow.



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[Widur]

24.3. charged with more air which gives more vortex over rotating magnet in groundwater with magnets attached to the side, lid closed
24.3. charged in MEOW kettle
25.3 charged with more air over rotating magnet with magnets
attachedbto side AND with magnet above(plus down to firce HIM back in solution) in groundwater, lid open(no space to close this way)
25.3: charged in MEOW kettle with magnet at bottom (plus up and same magnet as is in the charger at bottom).
Hees some pics:
Thats restages(without water) of 25.5. with the mag above and the MEOW kettle with the magnet at bottom. You also see what I took instead of an airstone for stronger vortex.
Also we get the first results. The ones from 16.3., 18.3 and 19.3. Performance all good and what comes after could still take over.
Tests:25.3: 16.3: 15,5+12+12+8cm =47,5cm
26.3: 17.3: 1cm=1cm(azomite and lye dont Performance good)
But I think next results will be much better.

 

[Widur]

This is the experiments from 26.
Meow kettle with magnet below, 2nd magnet attached to the side with air bubbled through 12 hours old berlin groundwater.
Same in my charger, just the magnet at bottom is spinning. And the lid is closed.
I also have a control this time, lying in the same water just without charger or kettle.
So this is basically a versus of MEOW vs. my charger.
So I will see what is better and which to research further.
I could equal the amount of air and keep both away from power lines, but next to each other.
And from now Ill do the testing with the seeds in an indoor greenhouse in coco substrate, so everything is real equal! Lets see.

 

[Widur]

Tests:
27.3.: 18.3.: 16+15+12.5+9=52.5
So its 5cm more with water and air bubbled through than without water, only the spinning magnet.
I hope some of the next get even better!
experiments: 27.3.: charged in charger over spinning magnet(plus up) in berlin groundwater with air(airstone) with 1 magnet attached to the side(minus inside), lid closed
27.3.: charged in MEOW kettle over magnet(plus up) in berlin groundwater with air(airstone) with 1 magnet attached to the side(minus inside),
27.3.: control in tap water(or was it berlin groundwater? Shit I really dont know anymore.

 

[Widur]

Experiments:
28.3.: charged in charger over spinning magnet(plus up) in berlin groundwater with more air with 1 magnet attached to the side(minus inside), lid closed
28.3.: charged in MEOW kettle over magnet(plus up) in berlin groundwater with more air with 1 magnet attached to the side(minus inside)

Tests: 28.3: 19:3.: 15+ 11.5+11=37.5
This time just three of it grow.
This doesnt have to do with charging, some seeds grow some not.
The equal is 12.5, which is exactly betwenn the results of 16.3(no water, only seeds over spinning magnet) and 18.3.(spinning magnet, groundwater, airstone).

I used 1 day old groundwater stored in plastic container, the same magnet but stable, not spinning, and a glass so therecwas less water but therefore more air from the airstone.
It seems the stable magnet or old water was bad, but more air and maybe glass insted of plastic will confirm that.
More tests from with groundwater of different age, more air and more magnets are coming the next days, after that several vs. tests charger vs. MEOW kettle.

Just wonder what to do next.
Id best like to test movement without air but dont have the means. Any idea?
I could do either 660nm red light or I start with magnetic pulsing.
Although it would be easier to wait with that for when I get my lab power supply!
But thatll need 2 weeks I think, so maybe just use 24watt?
I think Ill first add the red light stuff, then the pulsing. Lets see.
Although I could test with just plus poles inside?
Mostly people who charge seeds use plus pole.
But here on the forum there seems a tendency for alternating magnets.
I now use plus of a big magnet at bottoms and minus of a small attached to the sides of MEOW kettle and charger.
Hmm...I think one more with magnets, also Ill take a glass bottle for the kettle to see if it gives a difference.
Then tomorrow Ill do red light.

Ill soon copy and paste all experiments and tests into one nice block.

 

[Widur]

Here comes the promised Overall results with analysis.
But first...
I did a third versus of charger and MEOW kettle. Basically the same as yesterday but with the plus pole of the magnet at the side to the inside, not minus as the last times. The vig magnets at bottom are as always plus upward.
So this times the magnetic fields the water is moved through is not of changing polarity!


Experiments:
29.3.: charged in charger over spinning magnet(plus up) in berlin groundwater with more air with 1 magnet attached to the side(plus inside), lid closed
29.3.: charged in MEOW kettle over magnet(plus up) in berlin groundwater with more air with 1 magnet attached to the side(plus inside).

I think Ill do it again startting this evening for 24 hours. But with additional magnet above the MEOW kettle and the charger. Like I once did with the charger alone. See above.
But now:
Tests, all:
25.3: 16.3: 15,5+12+12+8cm =47,5cm equal 11.875
Seeds charged 24 hours over spinning magnet, no water. Lid closed.

26.3: 17.3: 1cm=1cm
Seeds charged 24 hours o. spinning magnet in tap water that was in bottle with azomite and KOH for weeks and neutralized with vinegar. Airstone. I used plastikcontainer for water
(azomite and lye dont perform good)

27.3.: 18.3.: 16+15+12.5+9=52.5 equal 13.125 Seeds charged 24 hours o. spinning magnet in pure Berlin groundwater, air bubbled through it. Lid closed.
So its 5cm more with water and air bubbled through than without water, only the spinning magnet.

28.3: 19:3.: 15+ 11.5+11=37.5 equal 12.5 Seeds charged 24 hours in 1 day old berlin groundwater over (stable) magnet(not spinning), air bubbled through. Lid closed. (I used a glass this time instead of the diy plastik stuff, cause I flooded the device and damaged the spinner( I could fix it).
So there was more air and movement due to the smaller vessel. But the magnet didnt spin and the water was old.

This time just three of it grow.
This doesnt have to do with charging, some seeds grow some not.
The equal is 12.5, which is exactly betwenn the results of 16.3(no water, only seeds over spinning magnet) and 18.3.(spinning magnet, groundwater, airstone).

So till now results are better with water and air and more better with spinning magnet and fresher water.

Id say experiment successful till now.
Next tests will show us more.

 

[ghetto alchemist]

results are better with water and air and more better with spinning magnet and fresher water.

Id say experiment successful till now.

Nice work, and nice to see the results.
I'm not sure if you were doing these experiments to prove it to us, or prove it to yourself.
I personally don't need to see proof, but glad to see it none-the-less.
IMO you did these experiments to see for yourself, and in doing so you also laid out the proof for others to see.
So again...nice work.

Next tests will show us more.

Can't wait.

 

[Widur]

I'm not sure if you were doing these experiments to prove it to us, or prove it to yourself.
I personally don't need to see proof, but glad to see it none-the-less.
IMO you did these experiments to see for yourself, and in doing so you also laid out the proof for others to see.

I wanted to see how HIM/ gaia particles/ orgon are created/charged and especially how the different influences(magnetic field/ movement/ oxygen/ red light, etc.) interact which each other.
I dont need proof that this stuff works, too, but there are no comparisions or not to much report about combination of these things.
I want to find a way to charge STRONG, for myself and others.
And I want to understand the ways of the secret sauce better.
Whats better, magnetic field, movement through magnetic field or more movement?
With a cap or not?
Does oxygen steal part of the gaia off when bubbled? Would movement without air be better?
Does a metal cap on top make difference when theres no air pumped through or when theres air pumped through?
Whats better, positive magnetic fields or alternating?
What about pulsing?
Can a magnet force the HIM back keeping it from escaping? That one is my last experiment about:
Its basically the same as from 29.3.

30.3.: MEOW kettle with magnet at bottom, plus up, vs. charger with spinning magnet at bottom, plus up. Both bottles have a small magnet attached to the side, plus inside, and strong air bubbled through.
But this time I fid this magnet on top. Plus down.
All magnets in kettle and charge are of coursr as always the same.
I wanted to go on to adding red light after that, but now I think minus down might give better results!
Arent gaia particles said to travel from plus to minus?
Not that I pull them out!

Back to your question, I want to use for myself lots of confirmed stuff about HIM, want to study its behavior when you combine influences and especially want to find a way to charge really strong!
I want to learn more about the secret sauce and hopefully others can profit from it and improve their ways too!

Back to testing:
30.3.: 21.3.: 13.5 +15 equal 14.25
Seeds charged 24 hours in 1 day old berlin ground water over spinning magnet and with magnets attached to the side. Much air bubbling through. Lid open.
So this time just two of it grew but might be due to smaller pot.
But the equal is highest till now. So with two magnets, more air, lid open and 1 day old water it was significantly stronger than with fresh water, less air, just one magnet and lid closed.
And much stronger than with stable magnet, just one magnet and lid closed.
I will give a complete overall soon again and than Ill add a ranking.

Till nowvthe amount of movement through the magnetic field seems to be key.
After that comes age of the water.
If lid is open or closed and air dont seem to have much influence!

So what to do next?
Go on to red light addition?
Change the above magnet to minus down?
Something else I forgot to check?
I need to use a smaller glass bottles for the MEOW kettle to be more compareable I think.
I think Ill do same as today but with a minus down and small glass bottle in the MEOW kettle.
Then the next days Ill try red light.
After that magnetic pulsing.
Then dont know...electrolysis?
Well see.

 

[ghetto alchemist]

I want to find a way to charge STRONG, for myself and others.

And I want to understand the ways of the secret sauce better.

I hear you brother.
I also want both of the above.

but now I think minus down might give better results!

I honestly have my doubts that it matters much which pole is up or down.
But there's been a few researchers who insist that one pole facing into the water is better than another.
So I'm looking forward to hear whatever your results show.

Arent gaia particles said to travel from plus to minus?

IMO it's more accurate to say that they're attracted to positive charge.
EG: with electrolysis cells, they migrate into the positive plate and slowly travel up the positive wire towards the electricity source.

Back to your question, I want to use for myself lots of confirmed stuff about HIM, want to study its behavior when you combine influences and especially want to find a way to charge really strong!
I want to learn more about the secret sauce and hopefully others can profit from it and improve their ways too!

That's a noble goal in and of itself.
I wonder if you realise that this technology is actually worth billions of dollars in extra production for agricultural nations.
There's actually a start-up company in Australia who are using "secret techniques" to prepare seeds and then selling to farmers at a higher cost than untreated seeds.
[For us, these secret techniques aren't actually that secret at all, they're doing similar things that we are, probably adding exposure to electric-sparks/plasmas and/or DC HV corona for the extra kick.]
Farmers will willing pay the higher price for seeds that germinate faster, produce robust plants, require less water, and have higher productivity yields.
You might even end up creating a nice business for yourself in the future, one that aids the world by producing more food from less resources, how's that for good karma?

Till nowvthe amount of movement through the magnetic field seems to be key.
After that comes age of the water.
If lid is open or closed and air dont seem to have much influence!

The first two of those are exactly as predicted, but the third seems surprising.
Are you saying that highly charged water with perpetual exposure to air maintains it's properties indefinately?

So what to do next?
Go on to red light addition?
Change the above magnet to minus down?
Something else I forgot to check?
I need to use a smaller glass bottles for the MEOW kettle to be more compareable I think.
I think Ill do same as today but with a minus down and small glass bottle in the MEOW kettle.
Then the next days Ill try red light.
After that magnetic pulsing.
Then dont know...electrolysis?
Well see.

IMO you should make maximum charge water with whatever you have.
[Eg: combine as many charging techniques together at the exact same time (as you're able to) and run for a few days.]

Then run a 3 way comparisom between municipal tap water, uncharged spring water, and MAX charged spring water.

 

[Widur]

I have to correct yesterdays experiments: The spinning magnet in the charger didnt spin all time.

If you remember, it was broke and I luted it. But now its broke again and I cant repair it.
Ill see what Ill do, cut the big spinner smaller if possible, but no, it didnt run with the magnet so close!
Ill order new ventis via aliexpress.
So next days will have to do with stable magnet. Well, not to bad I think.

Todays experiments:
Same as yesterday, just with tap water.
31.3.: MEOW kettle with magnet at bottom, plus up, vs. charger with mostly stable magnet at bottom, plus up. Both bottles have a small magnet attached to the side, plus inside, and strong air bubbled through.
Also I fit a magnet on top. Plus down. Lid open.

I switched to a smaller glass bottle from the bigger tight fitting plastic bottle for the MEOW, but since I use stopcocks the amount of bubbles should have been the same for kettle and charger.
But smaller amount of water means more movement from now on.
But the bottle doesnt fit tight now!
Should I use a bigger, better fitting bottle?

Itll be easier to read and comprehend when I revise the results!

For tomorrow Ill do the same with minus down for the top magnet and with fresh groundwater.
Then move onto something with red light.

But there's been a few researchers who insist that one pole facing into the water is better than another.

In electroculture for seed charging a lot of people swear by the plus pole I think.

IMO it's more accurate to say that they're attracted to positive charge.

Goal is to hinder them from getting off.
Like with a trap.
So minus down might be better, not?

start-up company in Australia who are using "secret techniques

Do you have their name? Are they associated with this ormus slime company in western australia?

probably adding exposure to electric-sparks/plasmas and/or DC HV corona for the extra

A cold plasma torch is one of my next projekts. But after the pulser, electrolysis, a magtrap and some bacteria stuff! So it will need some time.

The first two of those are exactly as predicted, but the third seems surprising.
Are you saying that highly charged water with perpetual exposure to air maintains it's properties indefinately?

No,no. Lets revise this.

Tests, all:
25.3: 16.3: 15,5+12+12+8cm =47,5cm equal 11.875
Seeds charged 24 hours over spinning magnet, no water. Lid closed.

26.3: 17.3: 1cm=1cm
Seeds charged 24 hours o. spinning magnet in tap water that was in bottle with azomite and KOH for weeks and neutralized with vinegar. Airstone. I used plastikcontainer for water
(azomite and lye dont perform good)

27.3.: 18.3.: 16+15+12.5+9=52.5 equal 13.125 Seeds charged 24 hours o. spinning magnet in pure Berlin groundwater, air bubbled through it. Lid closed.
So its 5cm more with water and air bubbled through than without water, only the spinning magnet.

28.3: 19:3.: 15+ 11.5+11=37.5 equal 12.5 Seeds charged 24 hours in 1 day old berlin groundwater over (stable) magnet(not spinning), air bubbled through. Lid closed. (I used a glass this time instead of the diy plastik stuff, cause I flooded the device and damaged the spinner( I could fix it).
So there was more air and movement due to the smaller vessel. But the magnet didnt spin and the water was old.

This time just three of it grow.
This doesnt have to do with charging, some seeds grow some not.
The equal is 12.5, which is exactly betwenn the results of 16.3(no water, only seeds over spinning magnet) and 18.3.(spinning magnet, groundwater, airstone).

So till now results are better with water and air and more better with spinning magnet and fresher water.

So over spinning magnet with no water(16.3.) the seeds grew to an equal of 11.875.
With air bubbled through fresh groundwater water and lid closed it was an equal of 13.125(18.3.) so much more.
With 1 day old groundwater and more air(both times airstone but this time I used a glass which was smaller so more air and movement) and the magnet was stable. Lid closed. Equal 12.5.
I think there was even more movement through the field although the magnet was stable.
But the water was 1 day old.
So important till now seems the amount of movement in magnetic field is most important.
But age of water is also important!

Also from my earliest experiment which gave a strong result we know
that the whole stuff has an effect..

1.3. Seeds charged 24 hour o. spinning magnet in 1/3 Berlin ground water 2/3 tap, air bubbled through
1.3. Control: Seeds 24 hours in tap water.

To come to your question:

30.3.: 21.3.: 13.5 +15 equal 14.25
Seeds charged 24 hours in 1 day old berlin ground water over spinning magnet and with magnets attached to the side. Much air bubbling through. Lid open.
So this time just two of it grew but might be due to smaller pot.
But the equal is highest till now. So with two magnets, more air, lid open and 1 day old water it was significantly stronger than with fresh water, less air, just one magnet and lid closed.
And much stronger than with stable magnet, just one magnet and lid closed.

So with the same amount of air as on 19.3. and with two small magnets at the side (inside minus down, outside minus in), open lid.
Meaning more and alternating magnetic fields at the same amount of movement yields significantly better results even with one day old water and open lid, than with fresh water and closed lid!
I stored the groundwater in dark in a semi opaque plastik canister.
(A few days later I went to glass bottles.)
When you blow air through from outside the lid isnt useful for keeping air away, its more to have a layer of steal above too.

I dont think you can store indefinately.
I wanted to say most important seems the amount of movement through magnetic fields.
About the age of water and the influence of the lid I hope the following experiments will tell us more.

Are you saying that highly charged water with perpetual exposure to air maintains it's properties indefinately?

No!
I think I wanted to just say that creating more movement by more exposure to air(bubbles) is beneficial!

I have the theory that movement without useage of air might be better.
I have till now used airstones, the amount of air was only influenced by size of bottle.

But later I just used tubes, bigger bubbles, more movement, less air exposure, so I hope there will be results in some days!

You think glass bottles keep the charge better, not?

Todays tests:
31.3.: 22.3.: 16.5+16+14.5+8.5=55.5 equal 13.875
Seeds charged 24 hours in 2 day old berlin ground water over spinning magnet and with magnets attached to the side. Much air bubbling through. Lid CLOSED.
Basically same as from 19.3., just 2 day old groundwater instead of one and lid closed not open.

Analysis:
Its more than 18.3. which was fresh water but much less movement and just one magnet.
Much more than 19.3 with 1 day old water, less movement and just one magnet.
A bit less than 21.3., being the same apart from 1 day old water, not 2, and lid open insted of closed.

So it seems amount of movement through magnetic field seems most important.
But age of water has an impact.
Maybe lid too.
It was now nearly as good as 1 day old water with lid open.
It was better than fresh water with much less movement and fields!
And much better than 1 day old water with less movement and fields.
So the image seems clear!
Most important movement through fields!
Then age of water.
Lid has an impact too I think as I got nearly the same results with 2 day old water but lid.

For tomorrow Il repeat todays experiment with minus down.

Then FINALLY move on to red light.

 

[Widur]

Experiments:
1.4.: Same as 31.3., but with minus down for the top magnet(to push HIM back in solution) and with groundwater.
1.4.: MEOW kettle with magnet at bottom, plus up, vs. charger with stable magnet at bottom, plus up. Both bottles have a small magnet attached to the side, plus inside, and strong air bubbled through.Todays tests:
I dont know if I did them on 23.3. or 24.3. So Ill test today and tomorrow.
1.4.: 23/24.3.: 17+6=23 equal 11.5.
charged with more air which gives more vortex over rotating magnet in groundwater, with magnets attached to the side(one magnet inside, minus down, one outside, minus in, like the days before), lid closed
1.4.: 23/24.3.: 9.5+7.5=17 equal 8.5
charged in MEOW kettle

Analysis:
So whats that?
Fresher groundwater and more movement through the same magnetic fields yields a worse result than no water at all and just spining magnet at bottom.
MEOW kettle only was even worse!
Mabe theyr better tomorrow, I really thin I did them on 24.3., so tomorrow would be righ for testing and not today.
Only thing different was I started to carry and store the groundwater in glass bottles instead of plastic container.
Of course theyre at the window.
The wetter was sunny when I planted the first experiments.
Then from 23. on it wasnt so good.
And since 29.3 its bad, but since that day I also do the tests in an indoor greenhouse.
Also the window goes erst or erst soth erst, like 100 or 110 degrees.
It may be the ones on the right have better(longer) light.
Lets recheck tomorrow and see what next days results will show.
I think the results will still be showing truth, as there are some more to come.
It should be enough for checking the basics, so Ill move on to red light for tomorrow.

 

[Widur]

Yesterdays experiments went wrong.
I forgot the seeds.
So there is no

1.4.: Same as 31.3., but with minus down for the top magnet(to push HIM back in solution) and with groundwater.
1.4.: MEOW kettle with magnet at bottom, plus up, vs. charger with stable magnet at bottom, plus up. Both bottles have a small magnet attached to the side, plus inside, and strong air bubbled through.

but the very same thing for 2.4. with the water one day precharged before putting the seeds in for another 24 hours of charging.
Interesting too, so to hell with it.

Ill do the experiments planned for 1.4. for the 3.4. then.

Then for 4.4. with red light added.
I just hope next experiments will be as expressfull as till now.
Genetics is a big Faktor.
Especially since this is an old variety wheat! They dont grow all the same and 5 seeds is not much!
But where should I give them equal conditions?
I think even my greenhouses vary on such small scale concerning light and temps.
Well, wo will see.
One experiment or two the day and in some months we will have worked it out.
Now lets resume yesterdays test, whichI think must be for today.
Tests:
2.4.: 23/24.3.: 20+9=29 equal 14.5
charged with more air which gives more vortex over rotating magnet in groundwater, with magnets attached to the side(one magnet inside, minus down, one outside, minus in, like the days before), lid closed
2.4.: 23/24.3.: 12.5+10=22.5 equal 11.50
charged in MEOW kettle.
Analysis:
Now its much more than yesterday.
The experiment with strongest movement, most fields and fresh water, was strongest till now, as you should expect.
Although it was just slightly better than the one rom 21.3. with 1 day old water and airstone instead of open hose(bit less air and movement and lid open.
Honestly I hoped for more.
But than just 2 seeds grew and it needs more data I think.

To the MEOW kettle.
A pure Meow kettle with plastic bottle with water inside performed same as good than the charger on 16.3. with no water, only the spinning magnet.
This gives me hope that with magnet at bottom a MEOW kettle could be stronger or same as strong as a charger with a spinning magnet.
The next tests will show us.

Important question: Do you think the water charges differently than the seeds?

 

[Widur]

Here comes the promised overall overview of the tests:

Tests overview:
25.3: 16.3: 15,5+12+12+8cm =47,5cm equal 11.875
Seeds charged 24 hours over spinning magnet, no water. Lid closed.

26.3: 17.3: 1cm=1cm
Seeds charged 24 hours o. spinning magnet in tap water that was in bottle with azomite and KOH for weeks and neutralized with vinegar. Airstone. I used plastikcontainer for water
(azomite and lye dont perform good)

27.3.: 18.3.: 16+15+12.5+9=52.5 equal 13.125 Seeds charged 24 hours o. spinning magnet in pure Berlin groundwater, air bubbled through it(airstone). Lid closed.
So its 5cm more with water and air bubbled through than without water, only the spinning magnet.

28.3: 19:3.: 15+ 11.5+11=37.5 equal 12.5 Seeds charged 24 hours in 1 day old berlin groundwater over (stable) magnet(not spinning), air bubbled through. Lid closed. (I used a glass this time instead of the diy plastik stuff, cause I flooded the device and damaged the spinner( I could fix it).
So there was more air and movement due to the smaller vessel. But the magnet didnt spin and the water was old.

30.3.: 21.3.: 13.5 +15 equal 14.25
Seeds charged 24 hours in 1 day old berlin ground water over spinning magnet and with magnets attached to the side. Air bubbling through. Lid open.
So this time just two of it grew but might be due to smaller pot.
But the equal is highest till now. So with two magnets, more air, lid open and 1 day old water it was significantly stronger than with fresh water, less air, just one magnet and lid closed.
And much stronger than with stable magnet, just one magnet and lid closed.

Till now the amount of movement through the magnetic field seems to be key.
After that comes age of the water.
If lid is open or closed and air dont seem to have much influence!

31.3.: 22.3.: 16.5+16+14.5+8.5=55.5 equal 13.875
Seeds charged 24 hours in 2 day old berlin ground water over spinning magnet and with magnets attached to the side. Much air bubbling through. Lid CLOSED.
Basically same as from 21.3., just 2 day old groundwater instead of one and lid closed not open.

Analysis:
Its more than 18.3. which was fresh water but much less movement and just one magnet.
Much more than 19.3 with 1 day old water, less movement and just one magnet.
A bit less than 21.3., being the same apart from 1 day old water, not 2, and lid open insted of closed.

So it seems amount of movement through magnetic field seems most important.
But age of water has an impact!
Maybe lid too.
It was now nearly as good as 1 day old water with lid open.
It was better than fresh water with much less movement and fields!
And much better than 1 day old water with less movement and fields.
So the image seems clear!
Most important movement through fields!
Then age of water.
Lid has an impact too I think as I got nearly the same results with 2 day old water but lid.

2.4.: 24.3.: 20+9=29 equal 14.5
charged with more air(no airstone, just hose) which gives more vortex over rotating magnet in groundwater, with magnets attached to the side(one magnet inside, minus down, one outside, minus in, like the days before), lid closed

Analysis:
The experiment with strongest movement, most fields and fresh water, was strongest till now, as you should expect.
Although it was just slightly better than the one rom 21.3. with 1 day old water and airstone instead of open hose(bit less air and movement and lid open.
Honestly I hoped for more.
But than just 2 seeds grew and it needs more data I think.

2.4.: 24.3.: 12.5+10=22.5 equal 11.50
charged in MEOW kettle.

Analysis:
A pure Meow kettle with plastic bottle with water inside performed same as good than the charger on 16.3. with no water, only the spinning magnet.
This gives me hope that with magnet at bottom a MEOW kettle could be stronger or same as strong as a charger with a spinning magnet.

3.4.: 25.3: 17.5+15+14+12+10=68.5 equal 13.7
charged in 1 day old groundwater with very much air( no airstone just hose) over rotating magnet with magnets
attached to side AND with magnet above(plus down to force HIM back in solution) in groundwater, lid open(no space to close this way)

Analysis:
Its much less than with fresh water and without magnet on top but lid closed(24.3.)
Also less than with less air and no magnet on top but closed, water same as old(21.3.).
Its a bit less than 22.3. where the only difference was the water was 2 days old and there was a closed lid instead a magnet on top.
So it seems a magnet is not as good a a closed lid!

But since previous experiments looked like lid isnt very important, it looks like the magnet on top is even bad, while all others are good!!

Does the positive pole pull the HIM out?
Or is it just changing weather and different amount of light?
Well from tomorrow all tests have been performed in greenhouse, so I think next tests will show us more.

3.4.: 25.3: 11.5+11+11+5.5=39 equal 9.75
charged in MEOW kettle with magnet at bottom (plus up and same magnet as is in the charger at bottom)

Analysis:
Seems even worse than MEOW kettle without magnet.
Is plus up not good? But I have the same in the charger!
Well tomorrow we have a control, too, and I just hope the net days will show more.

Experiments:
2.4.: MEOW kettle vs. Charger, both very much air, fresh groundwater, stable magnet at bottom, plus up, small magnet at side, plus inside, magnet on top minus down.

Both for 24 hours, in water that was before 24 hours precharged the same way (as I said, I forgot the seeds).

3.4.: Same as 2.4., just water is fresh groundwater but not precharged as always.

 

[Widur]

Experiments: 4.4.: MEOW kettle vs. Charger, both very much air, fresh groundwater, stable magnet at bottom, plus up, small magnet at side, plus inside, 7watt 660nm red light over each one.
So now finally I moved on to the red lights!
After some Tests with it with different configs of magnets and air(should be 4-6) Ill try magnetic pulsing.
Then electrolysis.
Then movement without air.
Then trap water.
I am currently shopping for the trap.

 

[ghetto alchemist]

9.75
charged in MEOW kettle with magnet at bottom (plus up and same magnet as is in the charger at bottom)

Analysis:
Seems even worse than MEOW kettle without magnet.
Is plus up not good? But I have the same in the charger!

14.25
Seeds charged 24 hours in 1 day old berlin ground water over spinning magnet and with magnets attached to the side. Air bubbling through. Lid open.
So this time just two of it grew but might be due to smaller pot.
But the equal is highest till now. So with two magnets, more air, lid open and 1 day old water it was significantly stronger than with fresh water, less air, just one magnet and lid closed.
And much stronger than with stable magnet, just one magnet and lid closed.

Nice work.
Looks like you've just shown that Pintos claim that he improved the basic MEOW design by adding a magnet inside was total BS.

And the setup that showed the best results was the sort of setup that quite a few people were spruiking between 2000 - 2010.
You've just shown that indeed it works very well.

Looking forward to what improvements you can get using pemf and/or red light because I'm sure they'll both improve the results even further.

 

[Widur]

you've just shown that Pintos claim that he improved the basic MEOW design by adding a magnet inside was total BS.

Well, lets see.
I fear it might be the ones on the right side of the window might have gotten less light.
Although light shouldnt make that much different at that stage!
But next experiments which were all in greenhouse will show us the truth.

total BS.

Might be true!

 

[Widur]

setup that showed the best results was the sort of setup that quite a few people were spruiking between 2000 - 2010.

You mean the one with water over magnet with air bubbled through from your notes?
Or that tablet of spinning magnets?
Are there still any sources?

using pemf and/or red light because I'm sure they'll both improve the results even further

I think so too.
Its about the amount of movement through the field.
I just do not know yet if alternating fields are better or equal. But we'll see.
What intrigues me most at the moment is if movement without air is better than movement with air!
How can I move the water without air?
Magnetic starrer is to big I think and expensive!
But then my spinner is a magnetic starrer itself!
I just need some bar magnet instead of the round one, not?
But I am so busy with so many stuff that maybe I leave that one for later.

Todays experiments:
5.4.: MEOW kettle vs. Charger, both very much air, fresh groundwater, stable magnet at bottom, plus up, small magnet at side, minus inside, 7watt 660nm red light over each one.

So same as yesterday but with minus inside for the small magnets.
I hope this way with alternating fields I get stronger results than with all equal.

Back to testing:

You should note that on 27.3. since I do MEOW kettle vs. charger I went back to airstones to have comparable experiments but have to part it in two. I eualize it with shut off valves and its nearly as strong as 1 with airstone.
More important I use different substrate and do testing in greenhouse.

5.4.:27.3.: 15.5+14+9+5.5+5=49 equal 9.8 charged in charger over spinning magnet(plus up) in berlin groundwater with air(airstone) with 1 magnet attached to the side(minus inside), lid closed
Analysis:
Whats that? Should be stronger, but is not.
Can only blame environment.
But then all 5 grew, maybe some had not without charging, so who knows, lets see.
27.3.: 14+9+6+5+5=39 equal 8.2 charged in MEOW kettle over magnet(plus up) in berlin groundwater with air(airstone) with 1 magnet attached to the side(minus inside),
Analysis:
So obviously more fields and movement perform worse in a MEOW kettle!
27.3.: 12=12 equal 12
control in groundwater water
Just one grew, so Id say even the MEOW kettle performed better.

Next I will try the same thing but with magnets on top, one time minus down and one time plus down.
The small magnets at the side with the different pole in than the mag above. The red light I have to blend in from the side, but Ill add white foil to keep it same as strong.
We already had one test where it seemed a magnet with plus down is contraproductive.
But it was only one. Two more of kettle vs. charger are coming with plus down and minus down, but I want to see with red light adde too. To have enough data!
Apart from that Ill start experiments with my 2nd MEOW kettle for 4 or 5 days.
First just kettle, than magnets and lids on top and red light and such, lets see what results than will show.
With the 24 hours experiments I dont know really what to do next.
I want to start with pulsing and electrolysis, but have to wait for the Aliexpress stuff.
With that trap I am planning and have shopped for Ill first simply do water against other water experiments.
It would get to complicate otherwise.
I think I will first try electrolysis before moving to pulsing. some electrolysis experiments, then some pulsing.
Them well see how we can add it together.

 

[Widur]

I am trying to build a new spinner. I want to have alternating + and - on a 7cm disk so I can put it in a meow kettle too.
I thought for this motor

and I want 4 magnets on top, I want strong and far magnetic field and as much strong positive and strong negative fields which are moved through the water, rather than a nice sinus curve.
So do you think I should use 4 3cm*1cm round neodym which have no space between them and make a 6*6cm square( is that even possible or would they flip???) like these

or is it better to use four 2,5*1cm magnets which have then 1cm of space between them? Theyre 44% weaker, but their fields dont overlap so strong.
They shall produce fields into the bottles instead of my strong 7cm ferrit box magnet.
Maybe 3cm is even to strong and would interact with the small magnets at the side?
I want strong fields, but they should be alternating and not chaotic.
What should I do?