. The Secret Solvent

[Seth-Ra]

We were allegedly made in "His image", so yes, we can get a pretty good idea of what "He" should be like. Doesn't "He" have much better things to do than go around capriciously wasting people's time & money just because "He" thinks they are "unworthy" of such knowledge? Maybe "He" should worry about more pressing matters, like black holes gradually "swallowing up" the universe that "He Himself" allegedly created. With this big ol' universe being INFINITE and all, I think "He" would have bigger things to catch his attention.

Your supposition comes from a small, shattered fragment of perception though. That's the thing; you would need to actually expand that small fractal into the rest of it in order to even begin fathoming what such a being is and what being made in its image even entails before you could begin to make any rational claims of what it should be doing.
You think, for some reason, it should be worried about black holes which don't and won't effect us in any dramatic way, for a VERY long time - and they are objects that we don't fully understand, but for some reason should warrant some sorta special attention, rather than the raising and cycling of the fractals of one's own image that is taking place right now all the time... it's a funny thought, this atheism; on the one hand illogically arrogant concerning one's own limited reasoning and at the same time immensely self deprecating and nihilistic towards one's own meaning/value.
Kinda funny.
I think you're also putting to much value on "money" that gets "wasted" as well. Nothing is wasted if lessons are learned from the experience and expenditure of money, time, or energy itself. One doesn't have to believe in a god, or a higher being, but like gravity there are forces and things that occur, and always for a reason. Biology 101: form follows function. The form, the manifestation, the expression, has a purposes Will behind it. The fractals are just dots on the paper. You can't connect them looking forward, only looking back, and when they are connected, that's when you see the bigger picture.
(I hope you get the meaning and reference to the old connect the dot pics. I assume you will. They used to be pretty popular, especially for kids.)

I used an above pic as a comparison for my earlier point; this time I'll give a RL example. We are working to rid out cat of fleas, which have been really tough and really bad this year. He is very well behaved, but like most cats, hates getting bathed (mostly because it makes him really cold, even with the warm water.)
He protests, meows, and generally just complains a lot. He is limited in his understanding and perception of why we are seemingly torturing him, for what he believes to be no reason.
The reality, is we see from a larger perception than his, and while it seems like torture to him, we are actually helping him, which is what most every spiritual discipline teaches is the reason for the trials we go through. Alchemy and most any form of esoteric wisdom is often warned of containing more dangers, more traps, more trials than other paths of life simply because of its true purpose of apotheosis.

You don't have to believe in it. I'm not asking you too; for the sake of discussion we presume such to be true. If it's not, then you only fight the static forces of the world and the parables of crafty men of ages long past. If it is true though... you face the same; maybe you meet with more setbacks, maybe you are greeted with miraculous revelations during your experiments and trials. Either way, there's a labyrinth to be navigated, no matter who/what you view created it.
But if we presume it had an intelligent creator, we should also know that our finite perspectives are its students, and we have no place thinking we are over it, when we are the toys in it's playground. That would simply be absurd and highly illogical.




~Seth-Ra

 

[Kibric]

The fact is simply because it isn't! It is a specific substance and can only be made from a limited number of substances that will combine and react in the appropriate manner and proportions to generate it.

There's no need to heavily codify, obscure and use multiple decknames, for a product
" made from a limited number of substances that will combine and react in the appropriate manner and proportions to generate it."
to the general public, that doesn't have the education to understand what it was even if you spoke plainly.
Only the author would understand it, or those he directly taught, it renders nearly all alchemical texts useless for the public.
What would be the point in writing it, no one would ever figure it out unless, they were taught.

To excessively codify an already rare complex method, with a limited number of man made substances,
not available to the common man,
in order to transmit the knowledge to the general public is counterproductive 101.
no one in a 1000 years will understand you, unless you teach them.

There's no need to write or read an alchemical text meant for the public, if it can never be understood by the common man
surrounded by things he might know in his daily life, with a moderate education.

If the stone is

made from a limited number of substances that will combine and react in the appropriate manner and proportions to generate it.

that the common man would not understand anyway, then its heavily codified,
all alchemical texts are useless for the general public unless taught,
you could never be 100% sure you knew what the right deckname meant.

 

[JDP]

There's no need to heavily codify, obscure and use multiple decknames, for a product
" made from a limited number of substances that will combine and react in the appropriate manner and proportions to generate it."
to the general public, that doesn't have the education to understand what it was even if you spoke plainly.
Only the author would understand it, or those he directly taught, it renders nearly all alchemical texts useless for the public.
What would be the point in writing it, no one would ever figure it out unless, they were taught.

To excessively codify an already rare complex method, with a limited number of man made substances,
not available to the common man,
in order to transmit the knowledge to the general public is counterproductive 101.
no one in a 1000 years will understand you, unless you teach them.

There's no need to write or read an alchemical text meant for the public, if it can never be understood by the common man
surrounded by things he might know in his daily life, with a moderate education.

If the stone is

that the common man would not understand anyway, then its heavily codified,
all alchemical texts are useless for the general public unless taught,
you could never be 100% sure you knew what the right deckname meant.

On the contrary, it makes the use of "decknamen" very necessary if you don't want most people to figure it out. If you write about it in 100% plain & clear language, with all the proper names and proportions of the substances involved, then pretty much anyone except retarded people would be able to replicate it sooner or later. Just look at explosives or drugs, to use a more mundane example. All sorts of people can prepare such substances, even those with barely any knowledge of chemistry, as long as they get a hold of a good practical manual that clearly describes how such substances can be prepared. Same with alchemy. But the thing is that such a "practical manual" has never been written for alchemy. The alchemists utterly refused to divulge their craft in a 100% clear manner that just about anyone could understand and replicate.

 

[Phyllobius]

Thank you very much for this digest.

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Damn it was to thank schmudvich for his digest on the first page of the thread.

 

[alfr]

The secret solvent Weidenfel Prodromus and him secret letters etc and secret solvent and the spiritus philosofic wines and the alchemicals arcane

NOW for understood well the based to made the the secet solvent philosophical and the spiritus vini philosophici it is necsary read well the pag 276 this letter call secret letter of weidenfeld to Mr Nutkins in this famous secret letter weidenfild give some very important indication about him process for made svp so with this letter now must put this this letter togheter with the come chapter of prodomus and the keys of motification oleosum with acid that of weindelfild give in prodromus about the mortification with acid and animal and vegetables oil fat etc whit acidum NB weidenfel say in prodomus.. sequela osservationi femminea.. principia chymica and the him secret manuscript etc (text and manuscript that as i just say all these will soon be fully published) that the light of sm that weindelfid say in the him chaper of produmus etc are Stored in animal \"philosophical dew\" fat etc and in vegetable matters olil sugar fat honey etc with the mortification with acid fire contra natura (NB see as say pernety about the fire contro natura etc) can extract and so can well isoled it sm for so made the water/oil based of him svp)
i hope now it is very clear as made the method of weidenfeld for have and made the base or the secret oil rich of sm for made the svp of weidenfeld

obviously some as we very well know some are disgruntled and disturbed of this. and some will be opposed to these our choices of open sharing as for example we did in the previous post of the secrets of the weidenfeld on how he in his texts and very little known letters (see link here) from indications of how to prepare his Spritus Philosophical wines etc as we are doing in various editorial environments fb forum groups etc by implementing our program and project together with various realities programmatic step that as we see step by step internationally is progressively being implemented with the writings of Klaus Volkamer on the scientific identification of sm with the forthcoming publication of the unpublished manuscripts of Cristoforo Parigino of his unpublished operational manuscripts Summetta Violetta and Lucidario and the various letters to his direct disciple Andrea Ognibene, and unpublished texts of Weidenfeld, the manuscript Pryncipia Chimica, the Prodromus, the Sequela Osservazioni Femminea etc and the operative writings of the successive ones continuation of the Weidenfeld researches and the researches and creations of the spiritus wines philosophici and the writings of Taube Dove on the Tartalogy and volatization of Tartar salts and production of the relative elixir as well as publications of the unpublished and explicit manuscripts on the "zinc" of Deloque and Respour , the written of Poleman's unpublished, the works and the elaboration of medicine and arcane philosophical arcane of philosophical venus-copper and of the various metals made all of the philosophical arcana and all this will be added also much more etc etc and you'll see it soon

But this obvious contrariety of some to our actions was widely expected and calculated and (every progress and development of humanity has had and will always happen to its detractors and opponents who, with ideas and thoughts now opaque, are perched on the old thoughts and vain theorizations and on the defense of one's own privileges that one wants to maintain with respect to others and denying them to others) but of these contrariety and opposition to these precise choices of our work
but it was foreseen and we care very little about it
or rather better we absolutely do not care to any about it and we are not interestig about of who are disgruntled and disturbed of this.
Prodromus-Libri-Secundi-1 https://www.scribd.com/document/341659938/From-Weidenfeld-s-Prodromus-Libri-Secundi-1;the secret letter of weidenfeld to Mr Nutkins about the process solar etc for made him svp see the letter integral it is in pag 276 of the book Professional Anecdotes: or Ana of medical literature in three volumes, Volume 1 edizione London anno 1826 https://books.google.it/books?id=ts...ind offer, expressed in your letter "&f=false

regards finsch par 1 ... continue

 

[LilacBlack]

I’m not sure if this has been mentioned yet on this thread and I apologize for bringing back such a long old thread but I just wanted to share that salt petre and vitriol make a great universal solvent, universal because it can even digest gold slowly over some days time, which not many things can do this. And It both congeals and dissolves although slowly as I suppose it is somewhat dilute when you make it since you have to dissolve the salt petre in water first then just splash in the vitriol till you have the strength you desire. When you dissolve the calx of metals in this (philosophical sulfur) and feed it alkahest (glauber’s recipe) and alchemical mercury (never vulgar mercury) it will turn into the green lion ( lion denotes an acid cause it eats things) when you drip in the alkahest it turns the green to a citron yellow for a few minutes then back to green - could this be another version of the green lion that ate the sun? Btw to congeal the solution with dissolved calx in it you dilute with water or anything baser than it. (that is after you hopefully reach red stage in a sealed bottle on baleno for about 40 days of fermentation. And feeding it every now and then drops of your alchemical mercury and alkahest.) follow the 7 steps of alchemy ~

 

[theFool]

I just wanted to share that salt petre and vitriol make a great universal solvent, universal because it can even digest gold slowly over some days time, which not many things can do this.

Nice, we didn't know this. Just for clarity, you mean that you put for example a gold leaf in salt petre and vitriol and it dissolves? This is strange because there are no chloride ions in the solution.

 

[KnowledgeSeeker]

I’m not sure if this has been mentioned yet on this thread and I apologize for bringing back such a long old thread but I just wanted to share that salt petre and vitriol make a great universal solvent, universal because it can even digest gold slowly over some days time, which not many things can do this. And It both congeals and dissolves although slowly as I suppose it is somewhat dilute when you make it since you have to dissolve the salt petre in water first then just splash in the vitriol till you have the strength you desire. When you dissolve the calx of metals in this (philosophical sulfur) and feed it alkahest (glauber’s recipe) and alchemical mercury (never vulgar mercury) it will turn into the green lion ( lion denotes an acid cause it eats things) when you drip in the alkahest it turns the green to a citron yellow for a few minutes then back to green - could this be another version of the green lion that ate the sun? Btw to congeal the solution with dissolved calx in it you dilute with water or anything baser than it. (that is after you hopefully reach red stage in a sealed bottle on baleno for about 40 days of fermentation. And feeding it every now and then drops of your alchemical mercury and alkahest.) follow the 7 steps of alchemy ~

Sorry if I missed something but what was 'glauber's recipe' essentially?

Also I know what you mean by Salt Petre but which variant of Vitriol is being discussed?

 

[LilacBlack]

In Glauber’s short book of dialogues http://www.levity.com/alchemy/glauber.html he talks about the recipe and back then they I admit they didn’t have such clean salt petre nor vitriol as strong so it’s true some salt might have gotten in to their recipe. I’ve used strong vitriol and salt peter to make crude nitric acid by putting it in the freezer and pouring off the unfrozen nitric. So far I haven’t dissolved gold but rather wet ormus however gold leaf is known to dissolve somewhat in heated nitric. I now realize these are probably the reasons why this recipe worked for old time alchemist and why many of them do mention it not just glauber. It’s still reminiscently the same though when you use stump remover from the hardware store as it’s dirty or low grade salt petre and probably does contain some chloride.

 

[KnowledgeSeeker]

Looking back at one of the post's by JDP, I know that there was an argument made against the 'found in everything' or 'Spiritus Mundi' description of it some time ago.

I wanted to ask though, what if the key to this question is examining their definition of 'found in everywhere and everything'? From the time period they lived in with the knowledge and technology they had.

 

[Schmuldvich]

On the contrary, it makes the use of "decknamen" very necessary if you don't want most people to figure it out. If you write about it in 100% plain & clear language, with all the proper names and proportions of the substances involved, then pretty much anyone except retarded people would be able to replicate it sooner or later.

Without revealing our Matter, the properties of our Universal Solvent are written about in 100% plain and clear language, yet confusion and misunderstanding by nearly everyone discussing this seems to be the norm.

It is absolutely astounding how fundamental concepts such as this can be discussed for 21 pages with so many wildly variations and differing viewpoints.

Thank you very much for this digest.

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Damn it was to thank schmudvich for his digest on the first page of the thread.

Happy to help! It is encouraging to hear what I take time to type doesn't fall on deaf ears.

The mods only allow posts to be edited for 3 days, so I am unable to go back and add this to the original post.

Another wonderful elucidation from "Recreations Hermetique", this time regarding our Universal Solvent described here clearly in few words.

 

[Andro]

Mod Post

The mods only allow posts to be edited for 3 days

24 hours, actually. Used to be 3 days in the past, but threads were losing coherence faster than you could type new posts. Indefinitely open editing windows also lead to what happened on the (now defunct?) N.D.C. forum, were entire posts and threads just vanished. So there's good reason for a limited editing window, and you can always add more info in a later post, like you just did.

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

Another wonderful elucidation from "Recreations Hermetique", this time regarding our Universal Solvent described here clearly in few words.

Indeed, a very important paragraph, @Schmuldvich! That is one of the reasons why I said earlier that Hermetic Recreations is one of the most revealing texts that I have come across. Fulcanelli borrowed a lot of his ideas from the treatise.

 

[alfr]

hi all


Dickinson and Hermetic Recreations etc

to understand the dickinson method for create the secret solvent svp etc which is also cited as Schmuldvich has well indicated to us who is also in hermetic recreations
MUST BE DONE imho (advice as I always say and indicate in many od my post in it) a careful and thorough study and reading of the prodromo in book 5 of the weidenfeld

in inglish
https://www.scribd.com/document/341659938/From-Weidenfeld-s-Prodromus-Libri-Secundi-1

in latin
https://books.google.it/books?id=CI...ce=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

my best regard

 

[Jimmy Rig]

EDIT: I deleted the original question to the moderators of whether or not it was appropriate to be quoting/raising a post from the very beginning of the thread but I now realize of course this is fine. Especially as it is on-topic imo.


Something Kiorionis wrote on page two post #11; I would like to share some thoughts about this.

"Based off my theoretical research, the secret solvent ought to exist in all things, because it ”dissolves” all things. Or dissolves into them. Also, being incombustible, it should be driven out of matter when that matter goes through combustion; though not being the only thing driven out. Of course this is looking at things from the bottom up.

From this, I’m hypothesizing that when plant matter is burnt, it blackens because the solvent is first set to work before being driven out. Either this, or Fire is the secret solvent. An incombustible thing which opens and “dissolves” all things. "~ Kiorionis

I think you might be right on both fronts?


"We have told you that the Universal spirit endowed with an unerring Instinct, working by the most simple and nearest way, it has, also, besides its already mentioned conspicuous qualities, two occult powers, viz: attracting and repulsing" ~The golden chain, I quote this because Fire as the secret solvent makes sense. One of the two forces is centrifugal or radiating,expansive It dissolves all things by its vibratory action (imagine standing in front of a star, not as a planetary body but as a human "dust in the solar wind" would certainly occur), or it spreads its fire into them raising their vibration. For example with common fire if you stand near by its radiating expansive heat will dissolve into you and raise your temperature. I do not see why natures innate fire could not follow a similar expression. The more volatile something is the more energetic it is and it becomes capable of drastically changing what it comes in contact with. When separated out of a specified thing the substance left behind is devoid of fire which becomes somewhat hungry for it. (the dual nature of mercury)

It also mentions somewhere in the golden chain that sunlight is a form of subtil spiritus mundi.


Its Light/Fire in its manifested state according to this text. I think that "our mercury" all has the same passenger, agent / ingredient but likely in different amounts or levels of manifestation. Bringing pure non-physical universal fire into your presence with no magnet or matrix or anything using BRAINWAVES and FAITH?! or the merkabah? there is not a one size fits all manual for this! would look different then what you may extract out of dew, golden water, soil or a plant. I think that you can get a spirit in the lab from the most volatile portions of some minerals, earth/soil and properly prepared vegetable and animal substances that will dissolve gold. I think if you work with the universal spirit, outside of time/space directly you probably do not even need to have a physical secret solvent to do such. In regards to this fire pre manifestation in its non material and invisible state I have an observation on something that I read NOT experienced. I quote the very beginning of the golden chain:

"Nature comprehends the visible and invisible Creatures of the Whole universe. What we call Nature especially, is the universal fire or Anima Mundi, filling the whole system of the Universe, and therefore is a Universal Agent, omnipresent, and endowed with an unerring instinct, and manifests itself in fire and Light. It is the First creature of Divine Omnipotence.
Chapter 2
How all things proceed therefrom.
Thus God created first this invisible fire and endowed it with an unerring Instinct and a Capacity to manifest itself in 3 Principles. (the world)
1. In its Original most Universal state it is perfectly invisible, immaterial, cold and occupies no space, in this tranquil state it is of no use to us, yet in this unmoved state it is omnipresent
"
The blue was my addition.

One of the very first things the author tells us in the golden chain is that the universal fire in its non-material state has an unerring instinct. It can easily choose who it should reveal it self too or at what pace. It can be present in any tincture or extract or distillate or whatever in various levels of manifestation. If you can call it forth and .. hmm what to write here? There are different "levels" of alchemy right?

Ersatz or something,
Bastard
and the adept level one.
I might have that order wrong.

I think a true secret solvent should be very fiery, I think there is a physical version which is a "water you wouldn't want to wet your hands with"
And I think there is a non-physical Secret solvent referred to as mercury which acts on its subjects in various degrees of manifestation.

Lots of thinking going on so my apologies for that,
Cheers

 

[Blacksmith]

The secret solvent must be able to dissolve any substance in our mercury, forming an amalgam, which must be married to the sulfur itself in a salt, but it will only do this if the matter has been previously prepared.



**Note**
Anything can become a low-level alkahest with solve et coagula, but only something can become "The" alkahest