. The Secret Solvent

[black]

black, do you know much about this philosophical wax and how it should be used?

Yes.

It is part of the Alchemic Process.

 

[elixirmixer]

I have a question.
Is this even worth it? Or is this just vanity?

 

[black]

I have a question.
Is this even worth it? Or is this just vanity?

Is this question for me or for Jimmy Rig ?

 

[elixirmixer]

Its for the World. Whats your take old friend?

 

[Andro]

Is this even worth it?

Ultimately, nothing neither means nor is worth anything inherently. But relatively speaking, I suppose it is, at least for a while...

Or is this just vanity?

It's all fucking vanity of vanities.

The only thing that Infinity cannot do is die permanently.

 

[elixirmixer]

relatively speaking, I suppose it is, at least for a while...

Thank you Andro. I really needed to hear that right now.

Well. If that's the case. I guess it's Lab time.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

I have a question.
Is this even worth it? Or is this just vanity?

Well; depending on ones outlook.. the answer varies.
I feel strongly that what we do here matters, and more importantly that we learn as we go and improve for ourselves and for others.
There is value in soul growth for yourself as well as those whose own lives you intersect. (you can't view your life in isolation; we are all part of a whole.) Individual and yet linked. Your words for instance have the potential to affect me despite me being on the other side of the world. They also have the potential to be of no effect. This goes for all of our actions positive and negative in all directions.

What kind of effect do you want to enact while here?

Of course there is a point where perhaps one has outgrown the lessons here and then "all is vanity".
Perhaps.."Superficial pursuits of the ego are vanity" .
I feel like its a bit of a cop out to say "nothing matters".
Perhaps at some higher perspective this is true; but in our ordinary lives.. we have a conscience and it is there for a reason; mainly for teaching us how to evolve. Since we are existing in a world of duality we should learn to separate our actions accordingly.

Edit: If you are referring to lab work; I do not think it hurts and can assist in understanding and may be of some considerable value on our journey.
All just an opinion.

 

[elixirmixer]

Yeah there is a lot of "We're doing this to evolve"
Only thing is.... I don't see a shred of evidence that we are evolving. In the slightest. Maybe there are a handful of people that are. But it would be in the low thousands. If anything the current environment is one of de-evolution. Down down deep down into the base desires of money and sex.
But who knows. Im not God. Or at least, Im not yet aware that I am God. I dont rule out that I possibly am God at some level. 😻

I dont know. And now it hurts to read the literature of the Sages. Because the more I read the less and less I know. and it hurts. It hurts to study all your life to in the end learn that I know absolutely nothing.

 

[Pilgrim]

The only thing that Infinity cannot do is die permanently.

Were that the case it must also not be able to live permanently either for there can be no life without death and no death without life.

 

[Andro]

Were that the case it must also not be able to live permanently either for there can be no life without death and no death without life.

The opposite of death is birth. Those generate appearingly finite segments within an infinite continuum.

Life has no opposite.

 

[Andro]

Hey Wigwamman,

Let me see if I'm getting this right...

1. You take a raw/vulgar matter (or alternatively, a still "impure" Earth Element or Precipitate) and make certain it is well infused with Celestial Waters, by Nature and/or Art.

2. These Celestial Waters are not really fixed yet, so you separate them by distillation and keep for later.

3. You purify the remaining "Saturnine" matter by fire until it is truly and fully pure, white, friable and quite fixed in the fire.

4. You fix the Celestial Waters on this pure matter, and from this union you eventually obtain the "Philosophical Wax".

5. You put this Mercury or Philosophical Wax through increasing Degrees of (natural) Fire, it goes through the classical colors and is finally fixed as the Philosopher's Sulfur.
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The above sequence is pretty canonical and alchemically precise for a certain path, but let me know if I missed something?

There are of course variations, and this is only a very general & abridged summary... and there are also several different ways to proceed, i.e. we can use the more volatile Elements together or separately, and also different ways/fires to cleanse the Earth, etc.

Your level of public sharing is rare and surely much appreciated by some.

Thanks.

 

[Philosophical]

Or otherwise said

Solutio, fermentatio, putrefactio, fixatio

 

[Selcuk]

Hey Wigwamman,

Let me see if I'm getting this right...

1. You take a raw/vulgar matter (or alternatively, a still "impure" Earth Element or Precipitate) and make certain it is well infused with Celestial Waters, by Nature and/or Art.

2. These Celestial Waters are not really fixed yet, so you separate them by distillation and keep for later.

3. You purify the remaining "Saturnine" matter by fire until it is truly and fully pure, white, friable and quite fixed in the fire.

4. You fix the Celestial Waters on this pure matter, and from this union you eventually obtain the "Philosophical Wax".

5. You put this Mercury or Philosophical Wax through increasing Degrees of (natural) Fire, it goes through the classical colors and is finally fixed as the Philosopher's Sulfur.
_______________________

The above sequence is pretty canonical and alchemically precise for a certain path, but let me know if I missed something?

There are of course variations, and this is only a very general & abridged summary... and there are also several different ways to proceed, i.e. we can use the more volatile Elements together or separately, and also different ways/fires to cleanse the Earth, etc.

Your level of public sharing is rare and surely much appreciated by some.

Thanks.

What is the heavenly water that washes the stone? Alcohol? Thanks.

 

[Philosophical]

I think it's best to revise the thread for your answer, short answer probably not alcohol. If it was, the alcohol part isn't important, you want the secret solvent/secret fire/philosophical fire/spiritus mundi/firey water/watery fire/agent.

 

[Agni]

Celestial water is dew, its name is clear.
Earth is a salt, you can start from some hydroxide, sea salt, or our real salt. If you started from some salt make a pentahydrate that has a hexagonal shape, find a way to purify it to remove the caustic if you started from some hydroxide. Our real salt do not need this process.
Then with solve et coagula you can get the wax, but this wax is not multiplicated, so you need to find the way to do it.
All process is solve et coagula. And remember, red is your target.

Kind regards

 

[Pilgrim]

Celestial water is dew, its name is clear.
Earth is a salt, you can start from some hydroxide, sea salt, or our real salt.

Could you clarify for readers what you mean by "our real salt" please?

Is it salt sourced from urine?

 

[Andro]

Could you clarify for readers what you mean by "our real salt" please?

Is it salt sourced from urine?

See this thread: The Central Salt

 

[Andro]

Celestial water is dew, its name is clear.

I think ordinary dew can work, but it is not remotely the most potent Carrier of Alchemical Agency. Very good for study and practical experimentation though, IMO. With a good Central Salt, I think it can make a good Alchemical "starter pack", as also mentioned in the book of Ruesenstein.

I think one can also use rainwater or spring water, as dew can be more challenging to collect. Or even just expose to the atmosphere.

Or we can seal some Central Salt in a closed vessel, and if we give it the right conditions, it can gradually fix unto itself the most subtle World Spirit, for which glass (or any physical matter) is not an obstacle.

Are you still pursuing the "vacuum" methods or the deuterium methods? I'm asking because you've mentioned those in the past.

 

[Andro]

Logistical Post:

Discussion about teaching someone to make the Ph. Stone moved here: Secrecy & Alchemical Initiations

 

[Pilgrim]

I think ordinary dew can work, but it is not remotely the most potent Carrier of Alchemical Agency.

What do you consider to be "the most potent Carrier of Alchemical Agency"?

 

[Andro]

What do you consider to be "the most potent Carrier of Alchemical Agency"?

I don't think there's a theoretical upper limit.

In practice however, such a Carrier could be any subject, either naturally occurring or artificially prepared (the more initially fixed, the better IMO), that is opened/unlocked by the (initially invisible) Agency (or by some smart "chymistry"), to render such Agency corporeal, up to the volatility limit of what we consider practical to work with physically. I have here some "opened" common minerals that are now melting and subliming way below their "normal" melting points. A sample of pure silica had been rendered water soluble after such an "opening". I also have some liquids for which the "regular" boiling point is way above 100°C, yet after being "opened", they fly away below room temperature, some even below 0°C. I need a -24°C freezer to contain them in the liquid state.

If we attentively study alchemical literature, most processes involve a so-called "opening" of the material subject, which in turn makes it possible to separate the Alchemical Principles from it. We can't just pick a rock off the ground and distill a volatile Alchemical Mercury out of it. It must be opened/loosened/unbound first. Then we can proceed with the separation of the Principles.

The alchemical authors sometimes describe their methods to perform this "opening". One of the more popular ones is to expose the subject to atmospheric air for a prolonged time. Other methods involve "putrefying" the subject in dew, rainwater or urine, for example. And even then, the least soluble fractions are discarded (via fractional crystallization) and only the most soluble fraction is kept, when no more crystals shoot in cold water. The last bit I picked up from the 3rd Part of the Golden Chain, the one dealing with the Marcasite subject. Glauber also talks about this, when describing the preparation of his "Sweet Oyle of Vitriol" from powdered & air-exposed Marcasite nodules. The most soluble fraction is the fraction with the lowest melting and boiling points, and the most alchemically charged..

Read the book of Ruesenstein (RAMS collection), it's very eye-opening in this regard. Basically, the so-called "upper" (free) Agency acts on the "lower" (locked) one, resulting in the possibility to render the Alchemical Elements and Principles in tangible/corporeal form. I would pretty much call this Alchemy 101. It's not a "secret" at all, but on the contrary, it's plainly laid out for anyone to see. The actual "secrets" (IMO) are more about all sorts of tricks and shortcuts to significantly speed up the process, and even those can differ by lineage. We can either be lucky to learn such tricks & shortcuts from someone more advanced than ourselves (see Ggkvarma's offer), or simply figure out some tricks of our own, by doing the long processes first and subsequently devising shorter & smarter ways after a better understanding of the underlying mechanics.

 

[Agni]

Are you still pursuing the "vacuum" methods or the deuterium methods? I'm asking because you've mentioned those in the past.

I think (just me) that the true spirit is "free electrons" (energy). Deuterium would be the purest matter we could have if we knew how to obtain it in liquid form and then in salt form. The alchemist's job is then to saturate it with energy, these are the multiplications, like a capacitor.

That's why the ancients managed to obtain this Salt with the help of salt magnets, waters (including urine), gold and metallic salts, vacuum devices (Deuterium with carbonic acid), etc., even if it wasn't so pure, and then saturate it with more energy.

Could you clarify for readers what you mean by "our real salt" please?

The salt used to make the Philosopher's Stone, but without any heterogeneity.

Is it salt sourced from urine?

No, but as you may have noticed in some treatises, urine can be used as a magnet. Sun light is the true source. Hermes didn't call it "the operation of the Sun" for nothing.

 

[Andro]

Deuterium would be the purest matter

Why do you think Deuterium would the "purest"?

vacuum devices (Deuterium with carbonic acid)

Do you mean D2CO3 (deuterated carbonic acid) in a low pressure environment?

salt magnets, waters (including urine), gold and metallic salts, vacuum devices (Deuterium with carbonic acid), etc.

Do you have one or more personal favorites from this list?

 

[Agni]

Why do you think Deuterium would the "purest"?

Deuterium is the first to contain the three subatomic-energetic (alchemical) principles that make up tangible physical matter, all other elements and isotopes are merely accumulations of deuteriums. In this sense, having it as part of an organic air molecule makes it pure and suitable for humans.

Do you mean D2CO3 (deuterated carbonic acid) in a low pressure environment?

That's right. If you send a sample of the water that appears in vacuum for analysis using mass spectrometry or gas chromatography, they'll tell you what that molecule is it, some with H and some with D. That is why many times the water obtained does not become salt, it is necessary that most of the carbonic acid has deuterium.

Do you have one or more personal favorites from this list?

No, but working with salt magnets helps you understand a little more about the Salt used to make the Stone. And are very easy to make.
The problem is separating the salt we're interested in, but once we understand what it is, we come up with better ways to obtain it, faster, safer, and in larger quantities.

 

[Andro]

Deuterium is the first to contain the three subatomic-energetic (alchemical) principles that make up tangible physical matter, all other elements and isotopes are merely accumulations of deuterium. In this sense, having it as part of an organic air molecule makes it pure and suitable for humans.

Maybe what quacktum physics is labeling as electrons, protons and neutrons are actually the alchemical Mercury, Sol and Luna, respectively. The "gold" and the "silver" are in the central salt/nucleus, while the "argent vive" is spinning around, in mutual attraction. It may sound far-fetched, but not unlikely, at least not to me.

vacuum devices (Deuterium with carbonic acid)

Additionally, when I was still experimenting with "empty flask condensations" (years ago), the resulting "fat" droplets always had a slightly acidic taste, and there were no acids involved in any part of the process. I never sent this stuff to a lab for analysis, but still, interesting.