. The Philosopher's Matter

[Andro]

There is only one universal connection between the two respective trees. It is simple yet a genius act of nature involving a certain wasp. The wasp helped us all.

Gall Wasp -> Gallic Acid? Is this what you are referring to?

Anyone that tells you at school or college that earth elements are created in Supernova explosions is not deliberately lying, they have been misled and they don't know any different.

Definitely not by supernova explosions if you ask me. How then, in your view?

 

[black]

Hi nav 2010

I t would appear that you are suggesting that alchemy is like chemistry and that would be quite
correct as both of these are natural sciences.


Alchemy is a Natural Science and it is also a Divine Science.

It is a Natural Science like chemistry in as much that you can mix substances and
can replicate your results without any magic or Woo Woo.

BUT .... it is a Divine Science because without a Divine Communion you can not know what
to use or how to perform the required processes to get a truly Alchemic manifestation.

This information may not assist you (nav 2010) in anyway .... but there are others that will read this thread that need conformation on this most important point.

Without the understanding of this truth many aspirants will suffer continual frustration through
not being able to enter the First Door of Alchemy.

This particular point can make the difference of spending your whole life and getting no
results at all or following a correct path and perhaps becoming an Adept Alchemist and More.



I won't make any comment about your work with the Oak as this is your path and I wish you well.


As Illen A. Cluf recently made comment about the brewing of beer in the Mercury thread
another common allegory is the baking of bread.

To make bread we need to know the ingredients, weights and measures, the processes, temperatures and the times required for this work.


It is exactly the same with Alchemy and it is this information that is Gifted by The Divine that allows us to enter into this Natural Science of Alchemy.


Here I'm using the term The Divine but the readers may choose something more to their predilection

i.e. The Force / God / Allah / Universal Consciousness or The All in All.

May those that are called to this Great Work take to heart what has been writen here and follow the path less travelled.

I felt a need to set the record straight .... at least as far as I see it.

 

[True Initiate]

They want to play games with our lives, don't play, wreck everything they are doing. Get the secrecy and cryptic crap into the dustbin, those days are over trust me.
Good luck and take care.

Glad you came out of the woodwork but is it oak wood gonna cut it?

 

[Andro]

Logistical Post

New thread created here: Les Deux Lumières by Henri Coton-Alvart

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Hi all,

Just a quick confession; I have not read all 58 pages of this thread at once. I have spent some hours reading through this sticky and others on and off.
I just wanted to give my thoughts on the philosophers matter since I have been digesting this idea for a while.

From a first manifestation perspective.. light.
From the physical perspective; it exists in all matters. "Split a peice of wood and I am there"
I have always been a "fire-bug" as my family calls it, same with my mom's mom (she's 84 and still loves a bonfire)
One of the greatest realizations for me was that firewood and thus coal, oil etc (more cocted) is stored sunlight. And you can see it/feel it in the flames of a fire.
I installed a woodstove in my house this past fall and that gave me a larger appreciation for natures adaptation of forms.
It IS living. Same with the air we breath, the waters celestial and earthly, the earth itself and the fires above and below.

So what is the first physical matter to be used for alchemy?
Well.. I can not say for certain, but I would guess that it should be a water that has its birth in the air. Full of fire and not specified.
So choose well the date of nativity and the conditions for growth.
I do believe there is more than one route to the elixir of the sages; some more complex and others more simple.
I have dabbled with slow distillation methods and these seem promising; and I continue to pursue this area. I feel they teach about the adaptation
and separation of the elements; my gut feeling however is that the best way to attain the perfection is to take natures life giving pearl and set it up for a comfortable
upbringing that it may reach its full potential.

I am curious to hear the thoughts of the reader. I cannot be sure about any of this; I do see threads of this thinking scattered all over this forum and in the old texts.
Also has anyone encountered this water in a golden countenance?

 

[Christophorus]

Yes, because all the matter results from the light of the black sun. The matter is only the "condensed" light. Henri Coton Alvart explains it very well in his book « Les deux Lumières ».

Hello;

The black sun or the black suns? In my studies, the projections of the invisible Solar Logos "find" "It's" counterpart in the planets black suns. I read something not long ago from the PON about this topic. I will search for it. Nice topic, by the way.

 

[black]

Hello;

The black sun or the black suns? In my studies, the projections of the invisible Solar Logos "find" "It's" counterpart in the planets black suns. I read something not long ago from the PON about this topic. I will search for it. Nice topic, by the way.

I would be interested in hearing what the PON have to say about this.

Thank you Christophorus.

 

[Christophorus]

Hello.
Check this: https://www.alchemywebsite.com/pon-15.html

 

[black]

Thank you Christophorus, every bit of information adds up and assists in
being able to ask the questions that will enable us to get the fuller answers.

 

[Christophorus]

Hi all,

Just a quick confession; I have not read all 58 pages of this thread at once. I have spent some hours reading through this sticky and others on and off.
I just wanted to give my thoughts on the philosophers matter since I have been digesting this idea for a while.

From a first manifestation perspective.. light.
From the physical perspective; it exists in all matters. "Split a peice of wood and I am there"
I have always been a "fire-bug" as my family calls it, same with my mom's mom (she's 84 and still loves a bonfire)
One of the greatest realizations for me was that firewood and thus coal, oil etc (more cocted) is stored sunlight. And you can see it/feel it in the flames of a fire.
I installed a woodstove in my house this past fall and that gave me a larger appreciation for natures adaptation of forms.
It IS living. Same with the air we breath, the waters celestial and earthly, the earth itself and the fires above and below.

So what is the first physical matter to be used for alchemy?
Well.. I can not say for certain, but I would guess that it should be a water that has its birth in the air. Full of fire and not specified.
So choose well the date of nativity and the conditions for growth.
I do believe there is more than one route to the elixir of the sages; some more complex and others more simple.
I have dabbled with slow distillation methods and these seem promising; and I continue to pursue this area. I feel they teach about the adaptation
and separation of the elements; my gut feeling however is that the best way to attain the perfection is to take natures life giving pearl and set it up for a comfortable
upbringing that it may reach its full potential.

I am curious to hear the thoughts of the reader. I cannot be sure about any of this; I do see threads of this thinking scattered all over this forum and in the old texts.
Also has anyone encountered this water in a golden countenance?

Hello all.

I have mixed feelings regarding this subject. I do agree that there are particular subtle messages that can be "lost in translation". But if they are, it probably is because we still don't have domain over the language. By domain, I mean not only the operative language but also the inner language developed, at least, by intuition.
I do believe there are layers that one should understand and comprehend (live inside) in order to be able to perform the "miracles of all things". To know is not to be wise, and Our true art is built on that. True wisdom comes from experience and failure. I say to myself, many times: You can fail, but only if you fail like a prince! Learn with it, see where you fail, and overcome it. If the "tryout" (I miss the correct EN initiatic word here) was given to you by Him, it's just because He knows that you can do it. In an opposite/complementary way, I do believe the time has come for all to join in the common purpose of bringing the "heavenly Jerusalem" to this world.

Last night I was meditating at Genesis because I do believe it holds some important keys, like the order of creation. I saw there an image similar to the work we replicate inside our glass flasks, e.g. the separation of the dry and the humid; but, before everything the notion that "earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters". IMO the first thing we could consider is the lack of form. The form will be a consequence of the will of the Spirit that was moving upon the waters. He is the cause and the nutrient of all things. All matter is filled with Him, but not all "matter" serve our purposes, because his "concentration" is variable.
If one can know what are the "forms" preferred by Him to "concentrate", I believe something good can be achieved. The "water" or liquid ringed some bells in me, because they carry live. Water, Alcohol and Oil can be considered vehicles (distinct ones), but Salt is where everything is/will be crystallized. Our menstrums are means to an end: something like making the materia chaotic again, so that we can order it into a workable one. It would be wrong to say that even metal is liquified so that the Spirit can move upon the face of the waters?

See you later!
C.

 

[Kibric]

Hey Christopher. To know the quality and concentration of this spirit in different forms is magick. All creatures are marked with their qualities virtues operations, with signs characters and figures. The divine ternary.
This ternary is also referred to by Christ with ' man doesn't live on bread alone. Like a computer program you can look up all of creation based on its stamp and know everything about it.

If you can see what reality this presents, then the clay figurines marked with their use, quality and creator, that men create, is a microcosm of what is happening to them.
When men mark statues of themselves they are being ironic unwittingly ?

 

[Christophorus]

Hey Christopher. To know the quality and concentration of this spirit in different forms is magick. All creatures are marked with their qualities virtues operations, with signs characters and figures. The divine ternary.
This ternary is also referred to by Christ with ' man doesn't live on bread alone. Like a computer program you can look up all of creation based on its stamp and know everything about it.

If you can see what reality this presents, then the clay figurines marked with their use, quality and creator, that men create, is a microcosm of what is happening to them.

Hello Kibric. thank you for your reply. I completely agree and understand it.

If you can see what reality this presents, then the clay figurines marked with their use, quality and creator, that men create, is a microcosm of what is happening to them.
When men mark statues of themselves they are being ironic unwittingly ?

To replicate nature and add layers on top of it. That is, to be a cooperator of the Divine work. Did I understand well?

C.

 

[Kibric]

You are a microcosm of what God is. We also stamp and mark ourselves. We also create names for each other. We also create databases of creatures. Thinking it is mans idea first to do these things.
Your cooperation is your nature.

 

[Christophorus]

You are a microcosm of what God is. We also stamp and mark ourselves. We also create names for each other. We also create databases of creatures. Thinking it is mans idea first to do these things.
Your cooperation is your nature.

True!

 

[Vyacheslav]

Greetings, colleagues. I'll write here. For many years I have been reading forums and alchemical books. But the main questions remain unanswered. How are minerals formed? How do bees make honey? Where does the energy come from in our bodies? Where does calcium come from in the seas or carbon in plants? And much more. The masters say that they observe nature. They copy natural processes. What processes are they talking about? Paracelsus said that we should leave the flasks, furnaces and our tools. Only then does alchemy begin...Pure alcohol or potash (K2CO3), for example, is not used in nature. Yes, there are sulfates, nitrates and so on...Plants love light and water. Animals have fresh grass and fruits. The processes in our body take place in the dark. In the ground, too...There is a natural process of saltpeter formation and a nitrogen cycle. Why does no one ever talk about this on the forums? Can we talk about simple things and in simple language? For example, ammonium nitrate is the natural end of organic life. A product of nature. Without human intervention. What's it? The prototype of the future Mercury? With respect.

 

[Vyacheslav]

...аnd most importantly, the spiritual concept. "The life-giving Spirit". I can't translate it properly into English. This is the most interesting thing for me. The ancient alchemists introduced the concept of a philosophical magnet. How is this concept related to natural processes? For example, with the formation of minerals.

 

[Vyacheslav]

...Many times I have asked myself what processes nature tells me about? What did the ancient philosophers see and look at?

The processes of nature are very diverse. From elementary, trivial to composite. This understanding did not come immediately.

The basic processes are well known to us. These are condensation, heating, evaporation and others. Composite processes are longer and more complex. But they are also controlled by nature.
For example, the birth of a child or its feeding. Grain growth or fruit ripening. Sunrise, the birth of life. Without alchemical binding. Because I'm not an alchemist or even a philosopher. But all such processes have one thing in common - they are natural.

But what excites me most as a philosopher? Of course a person. The image and likeness of the Lord. Microcosm.
Therefore, a worthy example for consideration is the creation of a person and his birth.

Husband and wife become one flesh. Male and female are combined in a joyful union. This is how lay people, ordinary people, were and will be conceived. Everything is alive. That's how I was conceived...And there is nothing special about me.

But the Savior (as our stone is sometimes called) was conceived a little differently! And he worked miracles.
Here is food for my mind...
The Virgin Mary bore from the Holy Spirit. As a result of the immaculate conception. A living material woman was fertilized (have mercy on me, Lord) By the Holy Spirit-the Father. Thus was the Savior conceived...

I do not know what the ancient philosophers thought about this. I only know that the concept of the immaculate conception is much older than the Christian religion. I will not bore you with many quotes about the conception of Christ, Buddha, Gilgamesh, Perseus or Horus. You can easily check this yourself. There are a lot of these stories.

..in my laboratory, I worked for a long time with mundane matters. Of course, worldly children of matter are born from their union. With ordinary properties. And so it should be...The Savior must be conceived in matter by the Holy Spirit. And then he will work miracles. This will be the matter.

But I can't imagine how this can be done in the laboratory...And can the immaculate conception be attributed to natural processes? Don't know. I'm not an alchemist. And not even a philosopher.


P.S. I was thinking of writing an article with a lot of links and quotes. But I tried to present my vision of philosophy for you briefly and simply. Only the most valuable thoughts. They are difficult to translate into English. But I hope that it will work out.
Sincerely, your colleague.

 

[Vyacheslav]

...I'd also like to add one thing. From a philosophical point of view, the beginning and end of all things lies in God. Everything alive comes from him. And comes back to him. From a conventional point of view, organic life ends with ammonium nitrate (or other nitrogen compounds). With philosophical - the reunification of the soul with God.

 

[Vyacheslav]

Over the years, I have seen many forums and people. No one wants to know what alchemical substances are. This is the absolute truth. People want empty conversations about alchemy...

 

[Christophorus]

Over the years, I have seen many forums and people. No one wants to know what alchemical substances are. This is the absolute truth. People want empty conversations about alchemy...

What are alchemical substances?

 

[black]

What are alchemical substances?

No Secret Solvent = No Alchemy

 

[Trip Trithemius]

Hello Green lion, I am intrigued to understand more about the concept of the black sun, among the few references in the alchemical literature that speaks of the black sun is "Putrifaction emblem of Philosophia Reformata (Johann Daniel Mylius)" and also in the Splendor Solis, however the meaning of these representations corresponds to putrefactio, so I would like you to explain how your concept of black sun (physical entity that emits "light") contrasts or they complement each other, finally in which other texts we can find information about the black sun, for study and better understanding of the concept, thank you

 

[Vyacheslav]

No Secret Solvent = No Alchemy

no. Forget about secret solvents and reread my post above...what could be simpler?

 

[Vyacheslav]

...Yes, I finally understood what philosophical matters are...and I will tell you that the first operation is conception...that's the real alchemy.
Conception comes from the holy spirit or supernatural fire. And I found it. You will never find alchemical substances in either limestone or saltpeter...they do not exist at all in simple matter. You have to make them.

 

[Andro]

The first operation is conception... that's the real alchemy.

Conception of what?