. The Philosopher's Matter

[Aleilius]

"Our globe, reflection and mirror of the microcosm, is therefore nothing but a small part of the primordial Chaos, destined by divine will for elementary renewal in the three kingdoms, but which sets of mysterious circumstances have oriented and directed toward the mineral kingdom. Thus given form and specified, subjected to the laws ruling the evolution and the progression of minerals, this chaos, which has become a body, contains in a confused manner the purest seed and the closest substance there is to minerals and metals. The philosopher’s matter is therefore of mineral and metallic origin. Hence, one must only seek it in the mineral and metallic root, which, says, Basil Valentine in the book, The Twelve Keys, was reserved by the Creator and intended only for the generation of metals. Consequently, anyone who seeks the sacred stone of the philosophers with the hope of encountering this little world in substances alien to the mineral and metallic kingdoms, will never reach his goals. To turn the apprentice away from the path of error the ancient authors teach him to always follow nature. Because nature only acts within its own appropriate species, only develops and perfects itself within itself and by itself, free from any heterogeneous thing occurring to hinder its progress or to oppose the effects of its generating power. " - Fulcanelli: Dwellings of the Philosophers

Philosopher's of the animal & vegetable kingdom, what say you on this issue? Is not our matter only found in the mineral and metallic kingdoms?

 

[Aleilius]

Now, the next question we should ask ourselves is quite simple: what is the philosopher's matter? It is the million dollar question.

Our matter is represented by the Black Madonna, and the black stone of the wise. What is our matter? Is it not the stone that the builders rejected? Is it not a vile matter?

 

[LeoRetilus]

Philosopher's of the animal & vegetable kingdom, what say you on this issue? Is not our matter only found in the mineral and metallic kingdoms?

Each kingdom is given its own seed and its own soul, to the plant kingdom-potassium, to the animal-sodium, and to the metallic-antimony, but are they not all three minerals?

 

[LeoRetilus]

If its the radical humidity of the metallic kingdom, the mercury of metals you seek, the feminine seed/sperm you should seek it in a compact black, vile, stinking mass.

But do you really think that in its black, dead state it can breathe life into anything else, being dead itself? Black is dead and ineffectual, white is life and soul incorupt.

 

[LeoRetilus]

Then the eternal question becomes how to prepare the rock that the builders rejected?

Its butter?

But you know the triple bond, trinity and triune nature is something shared between all members of the nitrogen family.

I think the greatest treasures lie in the heaviest, guess what comes after bismuth?(same column)

 

[teofrast40]

Philosopher's of the animal & vegetable kingdom, what say you on this issue? Is not our matter only found in the mineral and metallic kingdoms?

hallo,
Aleilius, I'm totally with you on this point. I have already manifested my opinion on this forum, causing hilarity.
this affirmation by Fulcanelli, and ALL the classical authors cannot be ignored. I don't think they were envious on that matter. the Great Work cannot be accomplished outside mineral kingdom.
I would ask myself why, for example in ancient egypt, metals were considered closer to god than animals and man. Why metals, gods and planets are linked? what is this earthly sky?

with humility
t

 

[Andro]

OK, then...

What qualifies a thing to be deemed vile?

What makes it be rejected/ejected?

Vile/rejected from a sensory perspective?

From a 'moral' perspective?

Both?

And who are really the 'Builders' refered to, the ones who rejected/ejected the First Matter of all things? Hmmm...
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...free from any heterogeneous thing...

How are we to interpret that?

Why metals, gods and planets are linked? What is this earthly sky?

If you study magical correspondences, you'll learn that not only metals have ruling planets/gods, but also plants and animals, as well as nations, locations and dates/times.

I think that the right question to ask would be: What is the matter that universally corresponds to ALL metals, gods, planets and any other particular manifestations?

Space and Time signatures are the most difficult to circumvent, because no matter what the matter is, it will be most likely intercepted (and interacted with) within spacial and temporal boundries and parameters. As for the rest of the particular signatures/correspondences, I think it's better to do away with as many of them, to the best of our ability.

To summarize, I would worry less about the 'Matter' (which is truly everywhere) and more about its optimal point of interception along its scale/'ladder' of descent.

 

[Joshua]

Then the eternal question becomes how to prepare the rock that the builders rejected?

Its butter?

But you know the triple bond, trinity and triune nature is something shared between all members of the nitrogen family.

I think the greatest treasures lie in the heaviest, guess what comes after bismuth?(same column)

LR: I agree. 115 should be really interesting if a stable structure can be found. Can you tell me more about your experiments with Phosphorus? I recall hearing once of an AuP product that provided interesting products upon controlled ignition.

 

[LeoRetilus]

LR: I agree. 115 should be really interesting if a stable structure can be found. Can you tell me more about your experiments with Phosphorus? I recall hearing once of an AuP product that provided interesting products upon controlled ignition.

In particular Hitoff's violet phosphorus is made by dissolving white phosphorus into molten lead. The triple or triune bond of phosphorus and all members of the nitrogen family for that matter have 5 electrons in their outer shells leaving three electrons for bonding. But instead of lead, use gold, and not common gold but its sulfur, and use less sophistical and more alchemical forms of heat. Chemists know only of sophistical methods and care not for nor understand the gentle hidden fire of the BM, or the special chemistry brought on by multiple distillation. You know the most interesting realization that Hudson's work brought the world in relation to transition state metals was their ability to become super-deformed (their nuclei) upon repeated dissolving (solve) and(et) heating till just dry(coagula).Is this not what nature has done in a millions years to create areas like the dead sea? Then the role of alchemist is to follow nature and speed up her natural processes.

These atoms of super-deformed gold have their nucleus so far bent that the strong nuclear force which is great at close distances but very weak at far distances, can not nearly continue to contain the protons and neutrons at its center, and at this point it longer takes Mev's of energy to penetrate the nucleus and make very interesting things happen, it only takes a little heat, some slow thermal neutrons and a moderator. T-state metals in this state afford us a very interesting opportunity in creating a veritable atomic soup of sorts, and if we combine this nature with that of a very stable bond such as is found in the nitrogen family then we get very special and new forms of stable heavy matter. Did you know that bismuth repels all magnetic fields, what would a heavier form be capable of?

Now my sulfur of gold I make a different way than Hudson and is not a white powder at all, its purple, as it puts on the royal robe of ozone, that I use to make it with under high voltage potential, check this article out on dumbell/hourglass shaped gold and ozone. ORMUS AND OZONE

And take a look at this article as well:
Quantification of sulfur and phosphorus within secondary gold rims on Yukon placer gold

An examination of Yukon placer gold nuggets using ultrathin-section (70 nm) transmission electron microscopy and energy-dispersive X-ray spectroscopy revealed three distinct morphological and compositional regions. The outer surface of the nuggets possessed silicate minerals, which included electron dense particles containing gold (13.6 to 27.2 at%) and silver (6.7 to 13.2 at%). The organic composition of these particles ranged from 7.3 to 12.3 at% S and 0.53 to 1.5 at% P (4.4 to 5.4 at% PO43–). The periphery of the nuggets also possessed crystalline gold-bearing material that was enriched with gold (81 to 93.12 at%; 30Au:1Ag) compared to the particulate material (2Au:1Ag) present within the silicate minerals annealed to the nuggets' surface. The organic composition of this peripheral secondary gold ranged from 0.29 to 5.9 at% S and from 0.63 to 5.9 at% P (4.5 to 9.5 at% PO43–). The internal structure of the secondary gold around the periphery of the nuggets was highlighted by the occurrence of compositional banding caused by these lighter, electron-translucent compounds. Internal regions of the nuggets were composed of gold or gold and silver, indicating the presence of an original unweathered grain that served as a nucleating site. These findings suggest that sulfur and phosphorus, presumably of biological origin, are important to placer gold formation.

This is becoming a more and more accepted idea among geologists that gold formation owed to biological activity,.... after dna putefys its backbone is the only thing that is left....phosphorus. The white forms silver, the red gold, silver changes into gold, you will never find pure gold in nature, it will always be contaminated with silver to some degree. I find alot of gold here on the island and it all is very porus and has red residue of phosphorus within it pores. At the end of the universe all life will be converted into gold and will be clear as glass, just like in Revelations.

 

[LeoRetilus]

Philosopher's of the animal & vegetable kingdom, what say you on this issue? Is not our matter only found in the mineral and metallic kingdoms?

I wonder Aleilius...since you don't think very highly of dew...what do you say to this scientific study that found unexplained quantities of lead and antimony in it?

The angels attend to the vast empty blackness of space and fill it with an astral salt, the ancients speak of it as the progenitor of all things, including metals, for from the astral realm comes the corpreal, including the seeds of life.

http://jeq.scijournals.org/cgi/content/full/35/5/1812#BIB4


" Lastly, five non-conformities were found for the WHO water limits corresponding to one chemical (lead). The parameters involved are the following: aluminium, antimony, lead, iron, ammonium, turbidity, permanganate demand, conductivity, and saturation index (corrosive water). The presence of most of these constituents can be explained:

Aluminium and iron: intense Saharan dust transport events are responsible for the highest concentrations of Al and Fe (Bergametti, 1987; Dulac et al., 1992). This deposition occurs currently in the entire Mediterranean basin and provides a characteristic composition to the dew water.

Ammonium: probably of organic origin.

Antimony: origin unknown.

Lead: its presence in dew water was found in 5 samples out of 10 at concentrations around the threshold of 10 µg/L. The origin of this contamination is unknown because no element of the condenser structure contains the constituent Pb. According to Dulac et al. (1992), The Pb to Cd ratio gives an idea of the origin of Pb. High values of Pb to Cd ratio correspond to urban centers' Pb pollution. Pollution from industrial activities gives low values of Pb to Cd ratio. Here Pb to Cd ratio was >1 in all samples and is thus a signature of urban activities (the nearby city of Ajaccio).

Turbidity and permanganate index: these non-conformities are presumably due to the presence of high iron concentrations.

Conductivity and saturation index: low conductivity and saturation index indicating that the water is corrosive are related to the low mineralization of dew."

Recently during the last full moon I collected some snow, what was unusal about that night is there wasn't a cloud in the sky and yet it was snowing, due no doubt to the fact that it was quite possibly the coldest night of the year here on the island, and all moisture was freezing right out of the air and dropping. I took some of this snow and allowed it to melt indoors and filtered it well, it was quite clear yet milky and within a few hours I checked it and a grey earth had settled out if it, I took it and re-filtered it till it was clear, collected the earth and set it again for digestion and come back the next day and more earth had formed.....can anyone explain where this earth is coming from? The snow was white and crystalline to begin with, if the solids were there to begin with they would have been filtered out, the first if not the second time. I can also see what appear to be flakes of metal in this grey earth It is an unusal astral substance to be sure as it keeps giving birth to new earth.

 

[Salazius]

This grey earth is the dust in the air, that gives the ability to the water to form a snowflake ,to crystallize and to form, in my opinion.

 

[LeoRetilus]

.....This is becoming a more and more accepted idea among geologists that gold formation owed to biological activity,....

Heres another : The occurrence of sulfur and phosphorus within bacterially derived crystalline and pseudocrystalline octahedral gold formed in vitro

A temperature study (4°C, room temperature, 60°C and 90°C) employing a bacterial in vitro model (Southam and Beveridge, 1994) revealed a role for S and P in octahedral An formation. Ionic Au immobilized by Bacillus subtilis 168 was first precipitated as colloidal Au. During diagenesis, these colloids were transformed into spherical pseudocrystalline gold particles composed of 74.56 ± 2.60 at% Au, 8.56 ± 1.71 at% S, and 13.94 ± 1.48 at% P. These minerals then aggregated as roughly shaped noncrystalline octahedral Au which was subsequently transformed into crystalline octahedral Au containing 85.37 ± 0.16 at% Au (the maximum detected[, 0.77 ± 1.33 at% S, and 10.27 ± 0.88 at% P. The strong P signals (13.39 ± 2.01 average at%[ obtained from the Au minerals examined by energy-dispersive X-ray spectroscopy suggest that organic phosphate compounds also play a role in the in vitro development of octahedral Au, possibly as bacteria-Au-complexing agents. Increasing the time to 4 weeks at room temperature or the temperature to either 60°C or 90°C enhanced formation of the crystalline octahedral gold. This crystalline octahedral Au generated an electron diffraction pattern consistent with synthetic Au.

 

[teofrast40]

OK, then...



If you study magical correspondences, you'll learn that not only metals have ruling planets/gods, but also plants and animals, as well as nations, locations and dates/times.

yeah, that's common sense interpretation, but IMVHO there is something more in it. while, for exemple in Agrippa's magic, we can find lists of stones, plants, metals, bodily parts,etc. ruled by a planet, as pertaining to its analogical domain, in alchemical texts metals, planets and gods are simply used as synonims.
the mineral kingdom, in following the very strict laws of crystalisation, manifests in a more archetypal and non mediated way the underlying divine spiritual principle than plants and animals.
so, if we rank the kingdoms in order of semplicity and proximity to god, we happen to be quite in the external periphery.
please, in considering this, try to get rid of the post-socratic anthropocentric perspective we are all imbued of.

and it is exactly regarding where to inercept the (rightly) universal "matter" in its descent, that classical texts tell us that the best place to do it is the mineral metallic root. we can argue that they were all envious, but then we can make them say anything we like.

with humility
t

 

[Andro]

Please, in considering this, try to get rid of the post-socratic anthropocentric perspective we are all imbued of.

I think that "Know Yourself" is the key to unlock the whole of Creation.

In addition to that, from my own perspective:

The Macro-Mercuries of Earth and the Micro-Mercuries of Man do NOT belong to any of the three Kingdoms, but are the unrefined quintessences of all of them combined.

Other than that, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on what the optimal point of interception should be

 

[LeoRetilus]

and it is exactly regarding where to inercept the (rightly) universal "matter" in its descent, that classical texts tell us that the best place to do it is the mineral metallic root. we can argue that they were all envious, but then we can make them say anything we like.

Sorry,.... but No, they don't say that.....they say over and over again that what is specified, (and minerals and especially metals are specified) is surely not universal. Do you know what universal means? If I have something universal, then I have something common to all things and thus to all kingdoms.....mineral, vegetable and animal alike. Metals you will find as I have worked with them for the better part of these ten-twelve years are for the most part dead and ineffectual, that they are needed to complete the great work I will not argue, but by the time they are made ready to join our living matter they might as well not be called metals at all any more, for in this state they will not be recognizable as what they once were, nor can they be reduced back into a metal. Surely to be effectual they must be reduced to their first matter , that is the first step, do you what that is? The first matter of metals is as they were taken in the caves and mines from which they are found, for surely a miner never picked up a piece of iron from the ground and started pounding it out into a sword, nor ever dug up a bright, shiny lump of copper. Why do we need metals at all, well we really don't, we need the masculine seed, the red man, their sulfur, to unite him to his white wife, but don't be mislead all metals are devoid of the feminine seed no matter how hermaphroditic they may seem and this goes for silver. There are only two matters that I know of that contain the mercuries of the philosophers and they are surely feminine and this I know for sure and can be certain that it is only a female that gives birth, increase and sustenance to all things. Surely all philosophers who are not sophists and liars know the truth of the matter and will not lead you astray on this point, else they are blinded, and that is that the first matter of the philosophers stone is a water It is a fat mercurial water, it can best be described as a mineral water but only because that is what it resembles, but it gives birth to all kingdoms and is the progenitor of all things it is a water and no water. It is a slimy earth to be sure and not a water at all and can be found in desolate houses as John Dee says. When it is ready to give birth to minerals and metals as you seek Teofrast it descends into the caves and mines of man where it seeks out the masculine spermatick seed, and with it and only with it is it made pregnant and coagulated into a mineral, following the rule of law laid down under the golden chain of homer, and becoming the metal under which planet's rule/influence it is destined to become or borne under. But at this point has become specified and no longer universal, surely any fool can see. Surely you can see that once coagulated into a solid corpreal form, the feminine seed cannot be taken from a metal or any mineral.

Animals and plants on the other hand, must die, and when they do they release the feminine seed, for they can not hold it like a mineral or metal does, nor is it coagulated permanently into them for I can squash them and burn them and they will be gone back into the dust from which they came and surely one day you too and even I will be reduced to the same dust and if metals did ever get old and die if lead or copper did ever grow a flowing white beard and be taken to using a cane to get around then maybe then I could agree with you that it could be taken from a mineral or metal. But as much that I know about minerals and metals is that they are quite stable in the fire.

For in order to be reborn and attain perfection a living thing must die and be reborn as the phoenix does. This cycle of death and rebirth is found in the two living kingdoms and thus if I ever hope to encounter its specified, non universal state I should seek it in those two kingdoms, lest I should return to the pursuit of its more universal state and seek it from the dust of stars and God.............

Ashes to ashes dust to dust.

 

[teofrast40]

This cycle of death and rebirth is found in the two living kingdoms and thus if I ever hope to encounter its specified, non universal state I should seek it in those two kingdoms, lest I should return to the pursuit of its more universal state and seek it from the dust of stars and God.............

hallo leo,
it seems that you consider mineral kingdom as a dead place.
sorry, but to me this is not very alchemical. I hope you would not deny that alchemy considers minerals as living entities, whose lifespan has a much larger timeframe than mixts in the others kingdoms, because their principles are more fixed.
could it be that, these principles being less dynamics and volatile, are more easily captured and manipulated by the artist?
the origins of alchemy are quite linked to metallurgy, please consider the Cabires of Samotracia or Idaean Dactyls.
and many, many texts pre XVII century talk about the generation of metals, and cite the other reigns only as exemples to clarify life in mineral kingdom.
I very much respect your lab research, but let me ask you a question.
Philosophical mercury is said to dissolve metals and coagulate vulgar mercury at room temperature. did you, or someone else here, attain this?

with humility

t

 

[LeoRetilus]

Philosophical mercury is said to dissolve metals and coagulate vulgar mercury at room temperature. did you, or someone else here, attain this?

I don't work with vulgar mercury at all but why do you think mercury isn't already coagulated, what you speak of is surely not alchemy.

Mercury is already coagulated, just because it is liquid at room temperature doesn't mean its not coagulated, maybe you should make a closer study of what is meant by the alchemical term ,coagulation. I can freeze mercury and it will become solid, is this coagulation? , certainly not. Mercury is just like any other metal, it is corporeal.
It was coagulated at the moment it became solid matter and cannot be remade, the feminine spermatick seed that gave birth to it has been coagulated by the masculine sulfur that wed it. The feminine cannot be extracted from it, for if you could it would cease to be mercury the metal and return of the first matter of metals, sorry if you can't grasp this concept yet, it is highly alchemical in nature and maybe counter-intuitive to what we are taught about the world and certainly contrary to scientific opinion. The solve and coagula operations of alchemy are not sophistical operations (chemical). They occur on other planes of existence other dimensions, there are reproductive spirits alive and flowing in the nature of the movement of the celestial bodies through the sky. Solve as the moon waxes and coagulate as the moon wanes, there is a spiritual reductive spirit that has the power to solve and it increases as the moon becomes fuller and lessens as the moon moves away, this idea is surely not sophistical! Remember the works of the good Baron?

 

[teofrast40]

hi leo,
I'm afraid you did not understand my question.
I am not telling you to work on vulgar mercury.
what I was talking about is a way to test the universal solvent (or Alkaest, not philosophical mercury, sorry, I mistaked here), as it is said -I believe by Fulcanelli, but I cannot find the sentence right now- to dissolve solid metals and coagulate Hg a room temperature. In dissolving metals, it drains out of them their living viscous mercurial principle, or radical humidity. inside this radical humidity lies hidden the sulphur, Astrum interior, chained prometeus or gravitationally trapped light. these two (sulphur and merkur, earth-fire and water-air) must die, putrefy and return to life in a new androginous bipolar equilibrium to become philosophical mercury.
regarding solve et coagula, I agree with what you say.

with humility
t

 

[LeoRetilus]

hi leo,
I'm afraid you did not understand my question.
I am not telling you to work on vulgar mercury.
what I was talking about is a way to test the universal solvent (or Alkaest, not philosophical mercury, sorry, I mistaked here), as it is said -I believe by Fulcanelli, but I cannot find the sentence right now- to dissolve solid metals and coagulate Hg a room temperature. In dissolving metals, it drains out of them their living viscous mercurial principle, or radical humidity. inside this radical humidity lies hidden the sulphur, Astrum interior, chained prometeus or gravitationally trapped light. these two (sulphur and merkur, earth-fire and water-air) must die, putrefy and return to life in a new androginous bipolar equilibrium to become philosophical mercury.
regarding solve et coagula, I agree with what you say.

with humility
t

Thanks I think I know what you mean now, yes it renders them a brittle spongy mass, quicksilver included from what I understand but have not personally verified it on mercury the metal.

 

[garvolt2002]

Thanks I think I know what you mean now, yes it renders them a brittle spongy mass, quicksilver included from what I understand but have not personally verified it on mercury the metal.

"Are you saying drains out only" ??

 

[LeoRetilus]

No thats what Teofrast said, that he read from Fulcaneli or something like that.

What I am saying is that the feminine seed finds the sulfur in the metal and seeks coagulation from it and in the process disrupts the equilibrium of the metal and changes its qualities, makes it brittle and glass-like at least thats what I understand of it, in my limited child-like knowledge.

 

[Andro]

A new androginous bipolar equilibrium to become philosophical mercury.

I agree with the 'androgynous' bit, except that when it's truly androgynous, it's not 'bipolar' (Yin/Yang) anymore, but goes beyond that.
It has it's two polarities perfectly blended together. Yin/Yang is bipolar. Mercurial Androginy isn't

 

[teofrast40]

hallo androginous,
yes, you are right. That's exactly what I was meaning.
we could consider bipolar energy-movement of Universal Spirit from the sky to the (hollow) center of the earth and viceversa, as a sort of universal respiration (inspiration and expiration).
In nature these bipolar and opposite energies cannot cohexist in a given time/space. we have positive charge or negative, inspiration or expiration.
what can be attained only by the art is philosophical mercury, where we have these polarities suspended together in equilibrium, much like the kumbhaka in yoga's pranayama.

with humility
t

 

[LeoRetilus]

hallo androginous,
yes, you are right. That's exactly what I was meaning.
we could consider bipolar energy-movement of Universal Spirit from the sky to the (hollow) center of the earth and viceversa, as a sort of universal respiration (inspiration and expiration).
In nature these bipolar and opposite energies cannot cohexist in a given time/space. we have positive charge or negative, inspiration or expiration.
what can be attained only by the art is philosophical mercury, where we have these polarities suspended together in equilibrium, much like the kumbhaka in yoga's pranayama.

with humility
t

Yes the bi-polar nature of light, magnetic monopoles perhaps, they make up the radiant energy of stars. One is luminous and much like the visible light our eyes can see the other is solely magnetic in nature and dark and invisible to the human eye and yet pervades all space. Separate the two, concentrate them and then reunite them. If you upset the balance of nature you will see wonderful things.

 

[garvolt2002]

hallo androginous,
yes, you are right. That's exactly what I was meaning.
we could consider bipolar energy-movement of Universal Spirit from the sky to the (hollow) center of the earth and viceversa, as a sort of universal respiration (inspiration and expiration).
In nature these bipolar and opposite energies cannot cohexist in a given time/space. we have positive charge or negative, inspiration or expiration.
what can be attained only by the art is philosophical mercury, where we have these polarities suspended together in equilibrium, much like the kumbhaka in yoga's pranayama.

with humility
t

So HOW is the next question, using lenses or special mirrors.