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The mystery of Rennes le Chateau, its link to the stone, the Templars and the tomb of God.

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Presumably here you're trying to create the stereogram effect that you get with "Magic Eye" type pictures and the idea is to see what Dan Brown identified in his best selling book and which also featured in the film of the same name. i.e This:

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Very noticeable by the way that this newer rendering of the painting has stripped out all the masonic clues that are in the original. Hmmm wonder why he did that !

So the disciple that was very clearly pointing to the dip between 2nd and 3rd knuckles (the Master Mason handshake point) is no longer doing so.

Also note the disciple that in the original appears to be cutting the throat of Magdelane here:

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It's been changed to something far less sinister

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This of course is yet another Masonic sign. The movement of the hand across the throat as if it were being cut is the Sign of the Entered Apprentice which reflects the oath given which reads:

"having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea at low water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever knowingly violate this my Entered Apprentice obligation."

To be fair though the disciple still carries the sharp blade in his other hand so there can be no doubt about the symbology of cutting the throat.

The perspective lines have also been tinkered with so that the Chi-Rho symbol doesn't quite manifest itself. The horizontal line from the 3 disciples to the left now falls below the intersection of the diagonal cross formed by the lines of the side niches.

In short this painting seeks to cover up the rather obvious masonic secrets and aspects of the original. Might fool some people but not those versed in Masonic and Pleiadean Lore.
 
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Presumably here you're trying to create the stereogram effect that you get with "Magic Eye" type pictures and the idea is to see what Dan Brown identified in his best selling book and which also featured in the film of the same name. i.e This:

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Very noticeable by the way that this newer rendering of the painting has stripped out all the masonic clues that are in the original. Hmmm wonder why he did that !

So the disciple that was very clearly pointing to the dip between 2nd and 3rd knuckles (the Master Mason handshake point) is no longer doing so.

Also note the disciple that in the original appears to be cutting the throat of Magdelane here:

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It's been changed to something far less sinister

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This of course is yet another Masonic sign. The movement of the hand across the throat as if it were being cut is the Sign of the Entered Apprentice which reflects the oath given which reads:

"having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea at low water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever knowingly violate this my Entered Apprentice obligation."

To be fair though the disciple still carries the sharp blade in his other hand so there can be no doubt about the symbology of cutting the throat.

The perspective lines have also been tinkered with so that the Chi-Rho symbol doesn't quite manifest itself. The horizontal line from the 3 disciples to the left now falls below the intersection of the diagonal cross formed by the lines of the side niches.

In short this painting seeks to cover up the rather obvious masonic secrets and aspects of the original. Might fool some people but not those versed in Masonic and Pleiadean Lore.
No. I didn't do anything. Placing your finger in front of your face and looking at the painting gives this apparent effect.
I take it you did exactly that otherwise you wouldn't have noticed the effect at all.
Don't associate anything Dan Brown writes with anything I give you on here.
I was in Roslyn chapel and Rennes Les Bains 20 years before that book was written. The book is pure BS as far as Jesus is concerned.
 

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No. I didn't do anything. Placing your finger in front of your face and looking at the painting gives this apparent effect.
I take it you did exactly that otherwise you wouldn't have noticed the effect at all.
Don't associate anything Dan Brown writes with anything I give you on here.
I was in Roslyn chapel and Rennes Les Bains 20 years before that book was written. The book is pure BS as far as Jesus is concerned.

You presumably haven't watched the film "The Da' Vinci Code" starring Tom Hanks. In the film the character of Lea Teabing (played by Ian McKellen) shows this switching places of Mary using his computer. You can watch it here at 4:00 mins in:


Thus countless millions of people are already aware of Mary Magdalene's presence in the picture and this swapping places of her in the picture. The disciple pointing his finger upward doesn't figure in the explanation, Teabing shows it straight and direct with his computer.
It is however interesting to note that one could have interpreted the upward finger as an instruction to view the painting in a certain way in order to see the same thing. Might help interpretations of other paintings.
 

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You presumably haven't watched the film "The Da' Vinci Code" starring Tom Hanks. In the film the character of Lea Teabing (played by Ian McKellen) shows this switching places of Mary using his computer. You can watch it here at 4:00 mins in:


Thus countless millions of people are already aware of Mary Magdalene's presence in the picture and this swapping places of her in the picture. The disciple pointing his finger upward doesn't figure in the explanation, Teabing shows it straight and direct with his computer.
It is however interesting to note that one could have interpreted the upward finger as an instruction to view the painting in a certain way in order to see the same thing. Might help interpretations of other paintings.
I'm aware that Dan Brown insinuates that Jesus was married to the Magdala. Lets get something straight, firstly there was no Messiah. There were no miracles as in scripture and in scripture Jesus disappears for 32 years with no written account of his life.
In other words if it wasn't for the three wise men and Bethlehem narrative he didn't exist at all, period. There was no Roman census performed in Nazareth at the time of this major BS story.
What happens in scripture? The Baptist appears first in the holy land and has a following, he Baptises Jesus and then the miracles start as in the four gospels. This is pure BS written and edited by the RCC who needed a figure head for their new religion circa 366ad.
These were the acts of John and Magdela in the holy land and it cost John his life.
John was beheaded by the church before it actually took place and the Magdala turned into a prostitute by Rome. Character assassination of two of the most important people of the era in order to create a religion based on an absolute pack of lies.
What was John and Magdala's message? To help people in poor health, to divert away from the Druid laws of secrecy and to pass on the knowledge if they could. Magdala, she carried it on afterwards and was chased across Europe and her legacy lived on through the Merovingian dynasties until the reformation and inquisition.
The emphasis was to help people, not kill them and torture them. No apology has ever been forthcoming by the RCC for the inquisitions across Europe. My father and his father might have forgiven but I certainly haven't.
 
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You presumably haven't watched the film "The Da' Vinci Code" starring Tom Hanks. In the film the character of Lea Teabing (played by Ian McKellen) shows this switching places of Mary using his computer. You can watch it here at 4:00 mins in:


Thus countless millions of people are already aware of Mary Magdalene's presence in the picture and this swapping places of her in the picture. The disciple pointing his finger upward doesn't figure in the explanation, Teabing shows it straight and direct with his computer.
It is however interesting to note that one could have interpreted the upward finger as an instruction to view the painting in a certain way in order to see the same thing. Might help interpretations of other paintings.
You like interpretations? Look at this painting, tell me what you see? Show me your interpretation.
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I'm aware that Dan Brown insinuates that Jesus was married to the Magdala. Lets get something straight, firstly there was no Messiah. There were no miracles as in scripture and in scripture Jesus disappears for 32 years with no written account of his life.
In other words if it wasn't for the three wise men and Bethlehem narrative he didn't exist at all, period. There was no Roman census performed in Nazareth at the time of this major BS story.

I think the notion that Jesus didn't exist at all is rather a stretch. There are too many texts that refer to him.

Be mindful too of the Gospels of Peter, Mary, Thomas and Judas which were all censored from the Churches deliberate construction of the Bible with its fake story. At least one of those gospels states that Jesus and Mary were married.

As for miracles, it should be clear that anyone who had the Stone in those times would be seen as a miracle worker, they probably would still be deemed such today by the Muggles who don't know anything about alchemy.

The constructed lie imo is the Church's presentation of Jesus as divine and not as simply a man with the Stone. They needed to exclude all the texts and gospels that referred to his basic humanity in order to run that ruse. Their way of creating a total system of control of the population. It's been going on 1000s of years. Doubtless the Egyptians ran a similar caper. It will never change.
 

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I think the notion that Jesus didn't exist at all is rather a stretch. There are too many texts that refer to him.

Be mindful too of the Gospels of Peter, Mary, Thomas and Judas which were all censored from the Churches deliberate construction of the Bible with its fake story. At least one of those gospels states that Jesus and Mary were married.

As for miracles, it should be clear that anyone who had the Stone in those times would be seen as a miracle worker, they probably would still be deemed such today by the Muggles who don't know anything about alchemy.

The constructed lie imo is the Church's presentation of Jesus as divine and not as simply a man with the Stone. They needed to exclude all the texts and gospels that referred to his basic humanity in order to run that ruse. Their way of creating a total system of control of the population. It's been going on 1000s of years. Doubtless the Egyptians ran a similar caper. It will never change.
And your interpretation of the painting I asked?
 

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And your interpretation of the painting I asked?

Well, I’m curious of your take, and how it might relate to practical Art.

Speaking of, back to Acacia & Oak… color me interested in learning your take on their interplay. Do you see them as a form of Ayahuasca, or as having independent purposes?

With all the focus on Tannins, Gallic acid, and Ozone, the idea of infusing an Acacia boiled solution with O3 seems intriguing.

Anyway, I’ll be starting some experiments with Gallic acid itself upon arrival soon (isolated & pre-extracted, so that I can understand precisely where I might encounter useful MAO-I / other effects).
 

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You like interpretations? Look at this painting, tell me what you see? Show me your interpretation.

I don't see anything of the lines of perspective seen in Da Vinci's other pictures.

I'm aware this is a much changed painting, which was originally of St John in the desert which has subsequently been altered to a depiction of Bacchus in a landscape setting.

I see oak trees at the top, which we see in many alchemy images.

A male stag and perhaps what looks like a female deer in the far background. Male and female principles?

I don't know what kind of tree it is on the left, the thin tall one. It's not an Acacia though.

There are clover leaves at the bottom left. Don't know what they indicate. Luck usually.

There is something very squiffy about the lower leg as it appears beneath the raised knee. There doesn't appear to any top edge to the lower leg. It's missing, or else he has an extraordinarily fat leg. Da Vinci doesn't make such mistakes so it's deliberate but I don't know why he did it.

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So why is Da Vinci drawing our attention to this part of the painting?

Perhaps it's to indicate the opposing triangular shapes in the voids?

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As above, so below ?


Then there's something about the definition of the void space to the left of the man. This part:

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There looks to be a monkey face at the bottom.

We know that Da Vinci made much use of mirrors. So I decided to duplicate and reflect this part of the painting which gives you this:

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The top part looks like some kind of wicked deity with a multi-layered crown and below you get some kind of castle. Fanciful stuff I know.

Go ahead and tell me what you see
 

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Go ahead and tell me what you see
There was a time when mirrors were used to reveal the inner secrets of certain paintings. Placing a mirror against the canvas would give you a glimpse of what the artist had in mind.
In this particular case, emphasis is placed towards the angle of the legs and the legs being particularly peculiar in shape. Also the shapes of the hands are telling you to mirror.
So the mirror is used in this case to see what the artist had in mind.
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There was a time when mirrors were used to reveal the inner secrets of certain paintings. Placing a mirror against the canvas would give you a glimpse of what the artist had in mind.
In this particular case, emphasis is placed towards the angle of the legs and the legs being particularly peculiar in shape. Also the shapes of the hands are telling you to mirror.
So the mirror is used in this case to see what the artist had in mind.
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Cool, thanks for the illuminating perspective.

What’s your take on the intended message this hidden detail presents? The nature of God is a union of masculine & feminine?

It / He / She also looks to have a sort of Lions mane.
 

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Kinda hard to be sure, the image being not the highest resolution, but there also appears to be a possible devilish face lurking beneath the character.
 

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I can't really believe that's the mirroring Da Vinci was alluding to. The fact that the finger is pointing on a diagonal line for me suggests the mirroring should be done on a diagonal and then possibly flipped vertically (as per the other finger pointing down).
 

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I can't really believe that's the mirroring Da Vinci was alluding to. The fact that the finger is pointing on a diagonal line for me suggests the mirroring should be done on a diagonal and then possibly flipped vertically (as per the other finger pointing down).
Pretty though ain't she? Her features are almost alien like.
I wasn't the first to find this image, it was found by someone else. Their explanation was the interbreeding of alien and earth races.
Apparantly the daughter of Amon Ra - Alis Amon Ra, of Egyptian fame.
 

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Pretty though ain't she? Her features are almost alien like.
I wasn't the first to find this image, it was found by someone else. Their explanation was the interbreeding of alien and earth races.
Apparantly the daughter of Amon Ra - Alis Amon Ra, of Egyptian fame.

Interesting possibilities. Thanks for sharing.
 

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@Pilgrim Moving on, what do you see in this one?
What do you make of the skull at the base of the cross on the center crucified figure. Not LD BTW but Teniers.
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@Pilgrim Moving on, what do you see in this one?
What do you make of the skull at the base of the cross on the center crucified figure. Not LD BTW but Teniers.

Spent quite a while looking at this one. Cut and pasted numerous parts of the image, flipped them horizontally and vertically and couldn't find anything of any real significance. You can create some interesting shapes and scenes doing this including a large phallus but I doubt that's anything deliberate by Teniers.

The item at the bottom of the centre cross doesn't look to be a skull imho. It looks more like an urn of some kind, for carrying water or wine. I've tried cutting portions of it and mirroring them but it produces nothing of significance.

No, the aspect of this picture that sticks right out is of course the lightning in the background which is crude and childish and certainly not the kind of thing an accomplished artist would paint. It spells out the letters M N but I have no idea what that means and again trying to mirror parts of it doesn't produce anything.
 

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Spent quite a while looking at this one. Cut and pasted numerous parts of the image, flipped them horizontally and vertically and couldn't find anything of any real significance. You can create some interesting shapes and scenes doing this including a large phallus but I doubt that's anything deliberate by Teniers.

The item at the bottom of the centre cross doesn't look to be a skull imho. It looks more like an urn of some kind, for carrying water or wine. I've tried cutting portions of it and mirroring them but it produces nothing of significance.

No, the aspect of this picture that sticks right out is of course the lightning in the background which is crude and childish and certainly not the kind of thing an accomplished artist would paint. It spells out the letters M N but I have no idea what that means and again trying to mirror parts of it doesn't produce anything.
Find the horned demon in the crucified figure on the right. You can miss him, his ear is implanted in the middle of the back.
 

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Find the horned demon in the crucified figure on the right. You can miss him, his ear is implanted in the middle of the back.
And... even were one to agree - what is the significance of that? Seems like a lot of trouble to paint a painting just to show a horned demon!
 

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@Pilgrim Moving on, what do you see in this one?
What do you make of the skull at the base of the cross on the center crucified figure. Not LD BTW but Teniers.
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You can choose to ignore my post here; but the guy in the middle; Jesus Christ "the truth, the way, the life." and we follow his example to enter in by the narrow way. Many there are that fall by the way-side and few that find the narrow path that leads to life eternal. Notice the criminal on the right is a little lighter than the one on the left; with Jesus's whiteness for a strong contrast.

The impenitent thief is a man described in the New Testament account of the Crucifixion of Jesus. In the Gospel narrative, two criminal bandits are crucified alongside Jesus. In the first two Gospels (Matthew and Mark), they both join the crowd in mocking him. In the version of the Gospel of Luke, however, one taunts Jesus about not saving himself and them, and the other (known as the penitent thief) asks for mercy.[1][2][3]

In apocryphal writings, the impenitent thief is given the name Gestas, which first appears in the Gospel of Nicodemus, while his companion is called Dismas. Christian tradition holds that Gestas was on the cross to the left of Jesus and Dismas was on the cross to the right of Jesus. In Jacobus de Voragine's Golden Legend, the name of the impenitent thief is given as Gesmas. The impenitent thief is sometimes referred to as the "bad thief" in contrast to the good thief.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impenitent_thief

Luke 23:32-55


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32 And there were also two other, malefactors, led with him to be put to death.

33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.

34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.

36 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar,

37 And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.

38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, This Is The King Of The Jews.

39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."


Forget the skull; your digging around in the muck when the truth is dead center the focal point of the painting. IMHO
 

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Find the horned demon in the crucified figure on the right. You can miss him, his ear is implanted in the middle of the back.
I clocked the ear early on but couldn't find a way to mirror it that produced anything. Still cant