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The mystery of Rennes le Chateau, its link to the stone, the Templars and the tomb of God.

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It ended in the Lauguedoc/Aude valley as I said for the Cathari of France.
The siege of Monsegur and a couple of more sieges further south were the last stands in France.
The fact that the grail escaped from Monsegur and a few families fled into Spain is not important. What was important was the way of life was over and traditions were forced undergound. The truth was that if most Cathari couldn't live a life a freedom then they'd rather not live at all.
You've been watching the DaVinci code too much and reading WIKI again haven't you?
Most of what is written about the Cathari on the web is pure lies and fabrication. Most of it to try and justify why Rome did what it did.
The book burnings too which was important litrature from the time of the Magdala to the Merovingian kings then to the reformation and inquisition. An whole alternate written history of the Mediteranean wiped out along with its people. In the name of Christianity which has a doctrine which states though shalt not kill.
Can't leave anyone alone, it's the scourge of man.
I don't know how to write it in another manner because you are not reading.
It didn't end... And I'm not talking about Spain.
But in your mind, it ended. So mote it be. :)

Let's return to the Oak, acorns, and Gals.
 

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I don't know how to write it in another manner because you are not reading.
It didn't end... And I'm not talking about Spain.
But in your mind, it ended. So mote it be. :)

Let's return to the Oak, acorns, and Gals.
The way of life ended in the region. It was a way of life based on Pagan beliefs spanning 3000 years but the Cathari modernised it and cut out the sacrifices from old Pagan tradition.
Instead of sacrificing lambs and kids (young goats) they sacrificed part of a crop or money. As long as they paid the gods with some form of sacrifice including fasting then the tradition carried on. Rome accused them of sacrificing their own children along with an whole other bunch of lies to try and justify their murder. This lie must be put right.
As for their written account of what happened in the holy land at the time of the Baptist, it differs completely from the bible and ultimately got them all killed.
There is no immaculate conception in their story at all. It begins in Britain with five Druids who take a pilgrimage to the land of David and start to administer Druid medical knowledge among the people. One of them was John and his wife was called Alis of Mona, later to be known as the Magdala.
One of their followers from Judea called Jesus betrayed them to the Romans and John was crucified under Roman law. Alis however gave John a tonic which made him appear dead and he was taken down from the cross and appeared in person the next day. The Romans beheaded John to make sure this couldn't happen again. Johns head was in the church at Rennes Les Bains right up until the inquisition.
Alis fled the holy land and into the Languedoc but was persued back into Britain. In 43 AD Claudius invaded Britain in persuit of the Druids and Alis, they wanted the knowledge you see. They murdered every Druid in the Glastonbury settlement first but Alis had moved back to the isle of Mona. Eventually Rome wiped out the Druids of Mona but unbeknowing to them Alis had crossed Solway Firth into Scotland where she lived for a number of years before returning to the Languedoc.
You have all seen Alis Amon, think of a famous painting with an anagram of Alis Amon.
It's one of the biggest unknown jokes in Masonry.
Alice through the looking glass and Alice in wonderland were written about her, dig deep.
When you are in church and you say Amen, you are saying her name because they changed it from Amon to Amen, an act of salvation for her name to live on.
All she wanted to do was help people.
 

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The way of life ended in the region. It was a way of life based on Pagan beliefs spanning 3000 years but the Cathari modernised it and cut out the sacrifices from old Pagan tradition.
Instead of sacrificing lambs and kids (young goats) they sacrificed part of a crop or money. As long as they paid the gods with some form of sacrifice including fasting then the tradition carried on. Rome accused them of sacrificing their own children along with an whole other bunch of lies to try and justify their murder. This lie must be put right.
As for their written account of what happened in the holy land at the time of the Baptist, it differs completely from the bible and ultimately got them all killed.
There is no immaculate conception in their story at all. It begins in Britain with five Druids who take a pilgrimage to the land of David and start to administer Druid medical knowledge among the people. One of them was John and his wife was called Alis of Mona, later to be known as the Magdala.
One of their followers from Judea called Jesus betrayed them to the Romans and John was crucified under Roman law. Alis however gave John a tonic which made him appear dead and he was taken down from the cross and appeared in person the next day. The Romans beheaded John to make sure this couldn't happen again. Johns head was in the church at Rennes Les Bains right up until the inquisition.
Alis fled the holy land and into the Languedoc but was persued back into Britain. In 43 AD Claudius invaded Britain in persuit of the Druids and Alis, they wanted the knowledge you see. They murdered every Druid in the Glastonbury settlement first but Alis had moved back to the isle of Mona. Eventually Rome wiped out the Druids of Mona but unbeknowing to them Alis had crossed Solway Firth into Scotland where she lived for a number of years before returning to the Languedoc.
You have all seen Alis Amon, think of a famous painting with an anagram of Alis Amon.
It's one of the biggest unknown jokes in Masonry.
Alice through the looking glass and Alice in wonderland were written about her, dig deep.
When you are in church and you say Amen, you are saying her name because they changed it from Amon to Amen, an act of salvation for her name to live on.
All she wanted to do was help people.
More subjective views. Why can't you point to legitimate sources to back your fanciful ideas?
 

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So thinking about Acacia root bark Tannins, it occurred to me…

* Tannins are converted to Gallic via fermentation
* GA is reported to be an MAO-I

…could it be that an orally bioavailable brew is possible solely via fermenting Acacia?

Typically Tannins are considered rubbish when doing DMT extractions, but I wonder if this line of thought might illuminate more of their usefulness.
 

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I was disappointed in the above video when Newman is describing the significance of the black, white and red acacia leaves in a diagram. He says the black represents the dark roots in the black earth and where we find the prima materia. He doesn't at any stage describe "black" as representing the putrefaction stage (raven, crow etc). From this I realised he wasn't going to offer that much of note, just another guy joining in with the cryptic nonsense and general hoodwinking. I'm guessing he's a mason.
 

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Yes, it’s by no means some exhaustive and without criticism presentation.

That said, I do enjoy alternative views, and playing devils advocate.

Who’s to say an ancient version of Art was so simple as to utilize the ready at hand purification domain that is beneath the soil?
 

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The only person I know who made a real work with acacia was Steve Kalec.
minute 9:27
check: HERE
 

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Yes, it’s by no means some exhaustive and without criticism presentation.

That said, I do enjoy alternative views, and playing devils advocate.

Who’s to say an ancient version of Art was so simple as to utilize the ready at hand purification domain that is beneath the soil?
I'm not criticizing the idea, but the presentation. If an idea is an opinion, then it should be expressed as an opinion, and not as a dogmatic certainty. It is my own opinion that much in the Bible is distorted significantly from the truth, partially because I think it was meant as allegory, partly because it was misinterpretated (scribal error, etc.) and partially (mostly) because it was deliberately changed for political propaganda purposes.
 

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I'm not criticizing the idea, but the presentation. If an idea is an opinion, then it should be expressed as an opinion, and not as a dogmatic certainty. It is my own opinion that much in the Bible is distorted significantly from the truth, partially because I think it was meant as allegory, partly because it was misinterpretated (scribal error, etc.) and partially (mostly) because it was deliberately changed for political propaganda purposes.
Yes and if you derive value from it fantastic, I would be very hesitant to follow it or any text dogmatically.
I hardly even read books and when I do I read it backwards and open random pages.

I don't want to be influenced by any text.
 

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Some aditional info:

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From the 1st degree of the FARC+

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from a private copy of the cagliostro rituals page 44 and 65
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Deschamp: les societes secretes 1882
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I Just translated the 2 handwritten pages (not easy though):

Page 44 translation

Question:
I conjure you to explain more clearly the meaning of the different stones.
I do know that in the trace board, there is a brute, a cubic, and a triangular one. But all this is very enigmatic. I do ask you to give me the key.

Response:
Here you have it: The Acacia is the first matter and the brute stone, the mercurial part. As soon as this brute stone is purified from all impurities, it becomes cubic. It is with this first matter in the hand that you must kill the master (it’s a reference to the death of master Hiram, part of the masonic legend – similar to the one present in the New Testament regarding Lazarus/the proto initiate of Jesus. The old matter Vs the new matter), the brute stone becomes cubic…

Page 65 translation

This first matter is the one that created man. Because he possessed it being immortal, man has abused and lost it, but it still exists in the hands of the ones God Chose, and a unique grain from that precious matter can produce a projection to the infinite.

The acacia, that was named/given to you when you were received as a Master in Freemasonry, in its ordinary state, is nothing else that the precious matter and the murdered Adonhyram (game of words: Adam and Hiram) are the needles that you have just received and that you should kill (cut) with the dagger. It is with this knowledge and with the help of the Great God that you can understand the words:

SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MUNDI
 

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Translation from deschamp: les societes secretes 1882

The great Copt, as Cagliostro was called in the lodge, says Clavel, promised his followers to lead them to perfection by means of physical and moral regeneration. Through physical regeneration, they were to find the raw material or Philosopher's Stone and the acacia that keeps man in the strength of youth and makes him immortal. Through moral regeneration, he provided the adepts with a pentagon or virgin leaf, on which the angels have engraved their symbols/sigils and their seals, and whose effect is to restore man to a state of innocence and to communicate to him the power he had before the fall of our first father and which consists particularly in commanding the pure spirits. These spirits, seven in number, surround the throne of the divinity and are entrusted with the government of the seven planets.
 

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Sorry to derail the thread by changing the subject back to the OP, but this is burning inside me if I don't get it out.

I'm one of the most educated people in the world concerning RLC
I'm also pretty well versed about the RLC saga having previously deeply explored this rabbit hole over the course of several years.
Bérenger Saunière was renovating the local church when two parchments were found.
The parchments talked about in the OP were forgeries created by Pierre Plantard.
He spun a massive web of lies and deceit over many years in an attempt to have himself declared the king of France.
Sounds crazy I know, but it's true, and what's more surprising is that some of his forgeries were so pervasive that they still persist to this day.
Anyway his plan all became unstuck when one of the names he put on his list of Priory of Sion grand masters turned out to be a corrupt criminal and the french authorities went after Pierre Plantard in an attempt to recover assets and money stolen from the French people.
Plantard was eventually fronted in court where he confessed his entire elaborate plan and to the judge in order to extricate himself from the trouble he found himself in.
You can read more about it HERE.

IMO the original and only true mystery about RLC is how an impoverished country priest was able to acquire so much wealth to fund his many renovations and improvements to the church and surrounding buildings.

For me, the explanation is due to the mysterious glass ampoule which was found hidden inside an old wooden pillar (SOURCE HERE).
It is my belief that the glass ampoule contained the alchemical projection powder used to make gold.
It was likely left there by one of the earlier aristocrats who had fled due to the French Revolution a few decades earlier.
Probably Hartpoul, but it is ultimately irrelevant who exactly it was.
IMO, Sauniere then used this projection powder to make lots of gold.
I assume that his subsequent diggings in the cemetary at night were probably done in an attempt to bury his newly created treasure to hide it from prying eyes.
 

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Sorry to derail the thread by changing the subject back to the OP, but this is burning inside me if I don't get it out.


I'm also pretty well versed about the RLC saga having previously deeply explored this rabbit hole over the course of several years.

The parchments talked about in the OP were forgeries created by Pierre Plantard.
He spun a massive web of lies and deceit over many years in an attempt to have himself declared the king of France.
Sounds crazy I know, but it's true, and what's more surprising is that some of his forgeries were so pervasive that they still persist to this day.
Anyway his plan all became unstuck when one of the names he put on his list of Priory of Sion grand masters turned out to be a corrupt criminal and the french authorities went after Pierre Plantard in an attempt to recover assets and money stolen from the French people.
Plantard was eventually fronted in court where he confessed his entire elaborate plan and to the judge in order to extricate himself from the trouble he found himself in.
You can read more about it HERE.

IMO the original and only true mystery about RLC is how an impoverished country priest was able to acquire so much wealth to fund his many renovations and improvements to the church and surrounding buildings.

For me, the explanation is due to the mysterious glass ampoule which was found hidden inside an old wooden pillar (SOURCE HERE).
It is my belief that the glass ampoule contained the alchemical projection powder used to make gold.
It was likely left there by one of the earlier aristocrats who had fled due to the French Revolution a few decades earlier.
Probably Hartpoul, but it is ultimately irrelevant who exactly it was.
IMO, Sauniere then used this projection powder to make lots of gold.
I assume that his subsequent diggings in the cemetary at night were probably done in an attempt to bury his newly created treasure to hide it from prying eyes.
Les Bergers D'Arcadia in which 'ET IN ARCADIA EGO' is inscribed on a tomb is not a fake, neither was the first version Poussin painted.
The Shugborough relief isn't fake either.
Plantard was resonsible for creating the fake Priory of Sion and not this legend. This legend persists and always will do.
I'll leave you with something interesting. This is DaVinci's last supper. In it you will see a disciple holding one finger up in front of him.
What is he telling you to do? BTW, Jesus is the man in green on this painting, right of center.
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Les Bergers D'Arcadia in which 'ET IN ARCADIA EGO' is inscribed on a tomb is not a fake, neither was the first version Poussin painted.
The Shugborough relief isn't fake either.
Sure, those things are authentic.
But their connection with RLC is through that parchment, which was one of Plantard's forgeries.
Otherwise what do those paintings and relief have to do with RLC?
SHEPHERDESS NO TEMPATATION THAT POUSSIN TENIERS HOLD THE KEY PEACE 681 BY THE CROSS AND THIS HORSE OF GOD I COMPLETE THIS GUARDIAN AT MIDDAY BLUE APPLES
That was created by Plantard.
You're welcome for thanking me for pointing it out to you to save you from further embarrassment by continuing to quote it.
BTW I was fooled by these same forgeries myself in the past, so there's no shame intended.

This is DaVinci's last supper. In it you will see a disciple holding one finger up in front of him.
What is he telling you to do?
I don't know.
Please feel free to enlighten us....
 

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There are many theories and fantasies about the Templars, namely after the fabrication of the Priory of Sion by Pierre Plantard, the Book Holly Blood Holly Grail, and the Davinci code...

The parchments talked about in the OP were forgeries created by Pierre Plantard.

True it is, without falsehood, certain and most true.
Already pointed that out, dear @ghetto alchemist.

The forgery was a huge mess, followed by others. The Magdalene story is so much interesting, but nobody cares, because fantasy is better. Rosslyn's hoax is another.

There is a connection between the templars and the old ways, yes. Hugo de Paganis was always named like this before 1800's for instance. As I said before, the real story is much more interesting.
 

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Yes and if you derive value from it fantastic, I would be very hesitant to follow it or any text dogmatically.
I hardly even read books and when I do I read it backwards and open random pages.

I don't want to be influenced by any text.

I resonate with each of your words. To participate in a forum where sincere explorations of the esoteric can take place free from dogma, is a lovely thing.
 

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The only person I know who made a real work with acacia was Steve Kalec.
minute 9:27
check: HERE

Beautiful. Thanks for sharing this.

I’ve worked with Acacia twice over the years. Once as a humble liquid extraction (drank with Rue), and another as a refined smokable extract. Found this special Tree quite beautiful & profound in its effects. I look forward to approaching Her again soon.
 

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The most beautiful thing is when you understand that Jonh was a kid. Between 13 to 15. It was late at night.
If you have kids you know how it is... They get sleepy. Each of them (the figures of the apostles) represents something related to their character, attitude etc. That is why he was the beloved. It was.. the kid!
The work was paid by the Sforzas (a family that is still very much active in Italy) and that was one of the requirements.
Search and you will find, but be open about it and be ready to destroy your view.
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Its all about perspective. :)
 

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Yep as with many paintings, the lines of perspective often conceal something. Here's what I see in Da' Vinci's Last Supper.
The pointing finger tells you to look up, which is the clue to look at the lines of perspective. When you draw in the vanishing lines of the side niches you get the cross representing our old friend the constellation of Orion. Then you look at the three disciples on the far left and see they are all of them looking directly to the right, so you draw that line in and lo and behold we, yet again, arrive at the symbol of the Chi-Rho whose symbology is at the heart of the Pleiades Mystery.


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Again if you read through the Pleiades Mystery Thread you will learn how to recognise this symbology and how it is carved into landscapes and buildings all over the world but in all cases this symbology mirrors the constellations of Orion, Taurus and Pleiades.

Take another look here at where we get the well known masonic number 3571 from


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The 3 stars of Orion's belt , when followed to the right, take you to the V shape of the horns of Taurus (5) and if then continued takes you to the 7 stars of the star cluster Pleiades.

Now go back to Da' Vinci's Last Supper and look again. Start AS ALWAYS from the 3 stars of Orion's belt which are the 3 disciples on the far left and follow the line to the right. What do we see? We come to the V shape deliberately put there by Da Vinci and beyond that we get 7 figures. It's the same symbology. It is the Pleiades Mystery. The lore revered by Freemasonry which speaks of a special star (their "blazing star"). All this stuff is interconnected.

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Also notable in this picture is the disciple below who is holding his hands in a very unusual way


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In fact you can see that he is pointing to the dip between the 2nd and 3rd knuckles of his hand. Those who have studied Freemasonry or been in the craft will know that the Masonic handshake involves the participants using their thumbs to squeeze the knuckles of the other persons hand to indicate what level they are (and to identify themselves as a Mason). Squeezing the 1st knuckle indicates you are a new Apprentice, level 1. Squeezing the dip between 1st and 2nd knuckle indicates a level 2, Fellow of the craft. Squeezing between the 2nd and 3rd knuckle indicates level 3, a Master Mason. So here Da' Vinci is referring to a Master Mason.


There's likely a whole load of other stuff in this painting but I'll leave it here for now.
 
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Sure, those things are authentic.
But their connection with RLC is through that parchment, which was one of Plantard's forgeries.
Otherwise what do those paintings and relief have to do with RLC?

That was created by Plantard.
You're welcome for thanking me for pointing it out to you to save you from further embarrassment by continuing to quote it.
BTW I was fooled by these same forgeries myself in the past, so there's no shame intended.


I don't know.
Please feel free to enlighten us....
But you've said you too are educated in the mystery of RLC so you would know why the disciple is holding his finger up surely?
To the rest of you messing about with complicated angles, numbers and nonsense just stop what you are doing for a minute and do what DaVinci is telling you to do. Put your finger in front of your face the same distance the disciple has his and look at the painting in the background on your PC screen starting from left to right, focussing from your finger to the painting and back as you scan across. I've give you a later version by one of DaVinci's understudies to play with. Then you will have learned something straight from LD himself.
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