The Mandela Effect

[JinRaTensei]

A really weird phenomenon I came across yesterday. Apparently for the last weeks and months hundreds of videos have popped up over Youtube/ the internet of people sharing their experience with this Mandela Effect. I have no opinion on this subject yet but wanted to share it since it seems more fringe than almost any Sci-Fi movie I have ever seen.

Also I don´t want to share a link since I don´t want to cause any bias if one is interested in this subject.

In short the Mandela Effect describes a merging/changing of our reality. Many people share online how their memories have changed. How words and phrases in books have changed. How buildings and bridges which where formerly not in a certain location are now. How even the geography and topography of the planet have changed.

Some speculations I came across suggest that we are on a different timeline than before and that CERNs large Hadron Collider has something to do with it.

The Mandela Effect derives its name from Nelson Mandela which is apparently one of the most famous changes which have occurred. Some people remember him dying in prison,they remember seeing the memorial on TV etc. Others remember him being elected for president in 2013.

Obviously if this were to be true there is no evidence except for ones memories, since everything else except for spirit is said to be changed.

Some even claim that our current world/reality/timeline never made it over the year 2012 and that we all suffered some kind of nuclear or other global cataclysm on our former timeline.

Very strange stuff, what do you think? Do you have such changed memories? Personally I don´t but I also never scrutinized my memories until now so who knows ^^

 

[z0 K]

A really weird phenomenon I came across yesterday.Apparently for the last weeks and months hundreds of videos have popped up over Youtube/ the internet of people sharing their experience with this Mandela Effect.I have no opinion on this subject yet but wanted to share it since it seems more fringe than almost any Sci-Fi movie I have seen ever.

Also I don´t want to share a link since I don´t want to cause any bias if one is interested in this subject, just look it up if you are interested.

In short the Mandela Effect describes a merging/changing of our reality.Many people share online how their memories have changed.How words and phrases in books have changed.How buildings and bridges which where formerly not in a certain location are now.How even the geography and topography of the planet have changed.

Some speculations I came across suggest that we are on a different timeline than before and that Cerns Supercollider has something to do with it.

the Mandela Effect derives its name from Nelson Mandela which is apparently one of the most famous changes which have occurred.Some people remember him dying in prison,they remember seeing the memorial on TV etc.Others remember him being elected for president in 2013.

Obviously if this were to be true there is no evidence accept for ones memories,since everything else accept for spirit is said to be changed.

Some even claim that our current world/reality/timeline never made it over the year 2012 and that we all suffered some kind of nuclear or other global event on our former timeline.

Very strange stuff, what do you think?do you have such changed memories?Personally I don´t but I also never scrutinized my memories until now so who knows ^^

Orwellian, Animal Farm, only the mule knows.

 

[Andro]

Orwellian, Animal Farm, only the mule knows.

Interesting. How do you see it as related to Orwell/Animal Farm?

Also, once I read the word 'mule' it instantly connected me with Asimov's 'Mule' from his "Foundation' series...

 

[Awani]

Interesting concept. I recall Mandela becoming President.

 

[z0 K]

Interesting. How do you see it as related to Orwell/Animal Farm?

Also, once I read the word 'mule' it instantly connected me with Asimov's 'Mule' from his "Foundation' series...

The originals ran the farm according to rules of procedure written on the barn wall. The animals were used to those chores that made their lives and world stable and comfortable. The greedy pigs took over the farm after the originals departed. They erased the rules on the barn wall at night and replaced them with new rules that benefitted them while changing the perception of those duped into servitude to the pigs rule. Only the mule could remember the previous original rules. The pigs ran amok and the farm animals suffered slavery and chaos.

This has been going on all the time since the priesthood learned how to write and kept the secret for themselves. As time went by the only perception of events that remain for those that do not know from direct experience was the written accounts of the priesthood: the first politicians.

This Parasite is well oiled in the fat of modern overpopulated high tech society addicted to passive entertainment. Quite often these days people suffer cognitive dissonance from the information overload that subjects one to the surrealism creeping into what they perceive to be reality.

In such conditions people still see Elvis in McDonald’s eating a fat burger, Jesus just left Chicago on a bus heading for New Orleans. Aliens are messing with the minds of others. And now people are feeling like reality is being re-written over the old safe rules of order and the pigs rule as usual.

As the Parasite feeds the bewilderment increases and the people become alienated to routine life. They become unstuck in the perception of their own time line. Some can see, like the mule, that the tragic changes are not natural or some breakdown of the original rules, but the perversion of their original purpose to benefit a very few well oiled pigs enslaved and addicted to the soul sucking insatiable transcendent Parasite at the periphery of awareness. The Parasite feeds on Spiritus Mundi of the most refined sort.

The Parasite tracks the Spirit to worlds seeded with life and waits until the soul evolves to the delicious state of ripeness found in Mankind. Humans harvested for their Spirit. The Parasite feeds on our consciousness at the edge of awareness manipulating the delicious color and flavors of our highly evolved ability to experience and feel.

The ruling pigs exert control over 99% of Mankind through economic slavery and war to feed their greed for “more.” Their greed and lust for power is driven by the Parasite at the periphery of awareness. They may or may not be aware of their own servitude to the Parasite.

Perhaps it is better for people not to become aware of the Parasite. It is a life changing revelation in conscious awareness. The mules need to know and remember. When the Parasite consumes Humanity only insect society will remain devotedly going though routine without conscious reflection. Consciousness a precious gift of the Spirit becomes absorbed into a constant feed of passive entertainment as the Parasite reaps the sensations leaving the human insectiods wanting more and willing to accept the slavery in the hive for it.

 

[Andro]

Thank you. I see it in a very similar way.

Who or what is this Parasite, in your view? I sense we are treading on primordial Gnostic territory at this point.

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[Awani]

The Parasite is nothing.

I don't think there is an"evil" thing controlling us beyond this world. Or even in this world.

At best the Parasite is a double-bluff by the CIA. If you want the people to stop focusing on the true assholes why not give them an asshole they can never really grasp, catch or experience outside of their own fear-infected paranoid mind.

Everything is vibration IMO.

Conspiracy concerns, evil aliens, devils, illuminati, mind-control entities etc. etc... these are all negative vibrations and nothing worth having in your mind or life. It is NOT ignorance is bliss... because how can you be ignorant of something that does not exist unless you make it exist by accepting those "vibrations" into your "mind".

Of course there are greedy merchants of death walking on this Earth. But they are just a macrocosm of the greedy scumbag that you personally have met in your own life [the microcosm of this example] at some point. The only difference is the person you have met have not been given the steering wheel of the World Bank (for example).

At least this is my position.

I have in general - speaking now from a personal feeling/perspective - become extremely bored with the worry/fear/concern with the "illuminati"/"lizard" [call it/them what you will] kind of mentality. Why did the cat get so fat? You fed it too much.

Sure the NSA could one day knock on my door because I wrote something or said something or did something... but anyone can come knock on my door with intent to hurt me and my family. Who cares? I am more worried about slipping in the shower and breaking my neck.

The real problem is all the fucking democracy loving saps of this world. And all those grown adults that still live in a paternal mentality.

End of rant.

Some speculations I came across suggest that we are on a different timeline than before and that CERNs large Hadron Collider has something to do with it.

This has weight in regards to the topic of this thread. Makes sense. I don't say yes or no to it being true.

Good source: List of common misconceptions

 

[Andro]

I very much doubt that it's illuminaty/lizards that z0 k referred to as the source of this, but that's for him to address.

The 'fat cats' are just as absorbed in this as everyone else, although erroneously believing that somehow they'll get some 'special treatment' for promoting and perpetuating this spirit-harvesting food chain, of which indeed the very vast majority is completely unaware.

You are of course entitled to your own view on this

Perhaps it is better for people not to become aware of the Parasite. It is a life changing revelation in conscious awareness. The mules need to know and remember. When the Parasite consumes Humanity only insect society will remain devotedly going though routine without conscious reflection. Consciousness a precious gift of the Spirit becomes absorbed into a constant feed of passive entertainment as the Parasite reaps the sensations leaving the human insectoids wanting more and willing to accept the slavery in the hive for it.

 

[Awani]

Do you have such changed memories? Personally I don´t but I also never scrutinized my memories until now so who knows ^^

I have one about seeing a space ship in the forest. Years later understanding that this was just my imagination... I recall pretending I saw it. But my memory of the space ship is more clear than my memory of playing that I saw it. Not sure if this is Mandela Effect...

Perhaps it is better for people not to become aware of the Parasite.

I was expecting a reply to my post to point out the above sentence. Busted! LOL! The Parasite is the I... that is the only villain. Any other external (even if everything external is internal) is just what you (or I) deserve to attract based on our output. Does that mean the Jews deserved to get killed by the Nazis? Well, in a way yes. OMG!!! Does that mean if I get gangraped to death tomorrow, does that mean that I deserve that? Well of course. 100 %.

It's not what happens to me (you) that matters, but how I deal with it. Getting completely off track now...

Perhaps it is better for people not to become aware of the Parasite.

I already covered this in my own post:

...how can you be ignorant [unaware] of something that does not exist...

I agree that the "fat cats" are slaves as well... that is why I wrote the macro/microcosm example.

There is no Wizard of OZ, just as you can see in the movie. It's all smoke and mirrors and in the end this life - this reality - and everything that is... is just I.

Doesn't make it anymore scary... but it is extremely liberating. At least to me.

It is a life changing revelation in conscious awareness.

To see that the Parasite is not there. Sure is! Because if everything is my fault, then who is responsible? Who has to change? Who has to evolve?

I do.

A lot harder than casting blame left and right. This is (can be) a life changing revelation in conscious awareness.

 

[Andro]

I was expecting a reply to my post to point out the above sentence. Busted!

This alleged 'bust' may very well be a double-edged sword

Perhaps it is better for people not to become aware of the Parasite.

 

[Awani]

This alleged 'bust' may very well be a double-edged sword

How? How can it be better or worse for someone to know that there is no such thing as a flying tomato with the head of a snail and Julia Roberts legs? Or do you mean that it is better for them not to be aware that "they" are themselves their own parasite? No. That is not better. But the reason they are not aware is because they keep looking for that flying tomato creature...

But really it is not of my concern if people are aware or not aware. Only if I am.

 

[z0 K]

I was expecting a reply to my post to point out the above sentence. Busted! LOL! The Parasite is the I... that is the only villain. Any other external (even if everything external is internal) is just what you (or I) deserve to attract based on our output. Does that mean the Jews deserved to get killed by the Nazis? Well, in a way yes. OMG!!! Does that mean if I get gangraped to death tomorrow, does that mean that I deserve that? Well of course. 100 %.

It's not what happens to me (you) that matters, but how I deal with it. Getting completely off track now...


To see that the Parasite is not there. Sure is! Because if everything is my fault, then who is responsible? Who has to change? Who has to evolve?

I do.

A lot harder than casting blame left and right. This is (can be) a life changing revelation in conscious awareness.

I think you are on track. You are the Parasite, I am the Parasite. The Parasite loves "rants," gets off on them.

The Jews didn't deserve the mass systematic murdering. You don't deserve to get gang raped. The Parasite in us can control sensibilities when we become saturated with strong emotion. Thoughts of extreme pain and pleasure can take hold in an almost instinctual way though we see ourselves as intelligent and in control of our emotions.

Third Eye peripheral vision helps the mules to see the gray areas we hide from ourselves so our world view remains true to our expectations. We are all mules laboring for the Parasite.

 

[zoas23]

Some classical Gnostic theories have an "evil" Demiurge + Archons controlling Mankind and mostly trying to enslave it (i.e, Sethian Gnosticism)

Some other classical Gnostic theories have an "ignorant" Demiurge (and not exactly "evil") who translates the One into what we perceive... and THEN man-created demons who are able to replace the Demiurge and become autonomous entities (i.e, most political ideologies fall into this category)... This is mostly Valentinean and post-Valentinean.

Of course, there are other models too (manicheism, etc).

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Other than that, our memory is quite tricky and we often mix it with out fantasies and there's no need for a "Gnostic" explanation.

i.e, a joke within my family is the first vacations that my parents had together. My father told my mother that they were going to visit one of the biggest waterfalls of the world, as big as the Niagara Falls, and that he was almost a super-heroe because he was one of the few persons who could jump from the top of the fall and land on the water completely unharmed using special techniques. My mother was impressed.
But when they arrived to the HUGE falls... well, they were 1 meter high. It was just his memory remembering him as a super-heroe and doing something that made him look like an Olympic athlete.

Something similar happened to me when a friend from Paris visited me. I told her about a Castle that was bigger than any Castle she saw in France, bigger than Notre-Dame, bigger than any European Castle. We traveled to Uruguay to see it. When we arrived, this is what we saw:

... not truly what I remembered. It was simply a tiny "castle"... it was obviously nothing when compared to the Notre-Dame Cathedral or any *average* European Castle. My mind played a trick on me and filled my memory with enthusiasm. It was funny.

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As for the 2 Gnostic variations I know, I am often more inclined to the second one...
Though I think the "Mandela Effect" can be explained without using any Gnostic theory... And I am quite sure that the persons living in South Africa have less confusions about what happened to Mandela that someone living in, say, Argentina or Sweden.

(i.e, if I lived 5 blocks away from the "huge" Castle, I would have probably remembered it as it is).

 

[Awani]

The Jews didn't deserve the mass systematic murdering. You don't deserve to get gang raped.

Do you think the Nazis would have been able to:

1. capture me
2. detain me
3. force me to work
4. gas me

...without me putting up a resistance (and possibly getting killed in the process - which is fine)... but I would NEVER allow myself to be compromised. That is what I mean. People allow themselves to be stepped on. I have family who died in those camps so it is not like I am not emotionally involved. I still think there is a difference between getting killed for resisting and just allowing yourself to be put to slaughter. Enough of Godwins law...

I have actually visually seen the Parasite. So I know who it is. Or in other words who it is not (and is), as it does not exist.

 

[JinRaTensei]

How can it be better or worse for someone to know that there is no such thing as a flying tomato with the head of a snail and Julia Roberts legs?

Why should any outside source be more credible than another? I am bound to my perceive this life as myself. Therefor I can not say with certainty that the bible holds more validity than anything else besides myself...so I can choose.
Actually this is not just the most satisfying description of an other worldly antagonist I have came across but also the only way Julia Roberts will ever be able to cast a smile on my face ^^.

The matrix, imo, has a very Gnostic touch obviously. The red or the blue pill, blissful slavery or paralyzing reality. Humanity kept as organic batteries for the machine like parasite (as in no empathy). So I can´t help but wonder if the Waschowski brothers knew more than the public or if this is some sort of predictive programming to install in us all the notion that humanities enslavement is even bigger than this world or reality and thereby useless to be fought against.

My mind played a trick on me and filled my memory with enthusiasm. It was funny.

Did it? Until the point you revisited the castle your mind and your view of that particular aspect of reality was perfectly in harmony with yourself. How can you know that your mind played the trick and not reality itself and is there really a difference between the both of them?
One can logically assume that naturally it has to be ones own mind since the castle in this case will have also been experienced by other peoples and so it will be easy to deduce truth from fiction but going with the thread topic can you be certain this is not the "Mandela Effect"?
On the other hand the years,thoughts and emotions you spend and lived while under this illusion of this being a large castle are they automatically just a lie now as well? Why not? Same rules applied your life in those years integrated information which was not real and thereby aspects of your life should also be not real.But did you after finding out about the "truth" of the castle think even for a second that it was of any importance for the validity of your former and future life? I assume not.

And I am quite sure that the persons living in South Africa have less confusions about what happened to Mandela that someone living in, say, Argentina or Sweden.

And this is how I think this "Mandela Effect" takes place if it has any truth to it. It is not the distance or the frequency of interaction which holds a certain memory inside of us but the emotional attachment. And emotional attachment is not bound by a specific narrative. If a changed narrative can produce the same emotion than you yourself and the parasite are equally satisfied. Just as, imo, it was no coincidence that you lost this false narrative years later while visiting with your good friend. Because whatever emotional need, remembering a building more grand than it really is, fulfilled in your life this has been replaced by the experiences and paths you took in the years which followed and thereby the "power" of that emotion/ memory has been squeezed dry.No need to carry it with you any longer. So "reality" choose a scenario for you to let it go.

 

[Awani]

Why should any outside source be more credible than another?

It isn't really. I just tried to exaggerate my point, which was that it doesn't matter since there is no external Parasite... no puppet master (in the conspiratorial sense) other than the I.

But this is only my opinion based on direct experience. Also this is why I find it more and more difficult to share opinions/perspectives and participate in debates (like I said elsewhere), because at a certain point we have to understand that we are playing different video games.

You can argue how Grand Theft Auto's cheat code works, and I can argue that you are utterly wrong... but I happen to play Minecraft. And we are both unaware this is going on [that we think we are talking about the same game, when in fact they are completely different].

Different video games, although possibly hosted on the same server.

The universe is an Arcade Hall.

 

[Andro]

blissful slavery

The 'perfect' slave is the one who's convinced he's free.

the Wachowski brothers

They're the Wachowski sisters now.

a flying tomato with the head of a snail and Julia Roberts legs

This is a direct insult on my holy religion!

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But 'seriously'... My own 'core' philosophy has been undergoing significant 'renovations' over the last year or so.

And like any renovation, it can be a bit messy until all the leftovers/superfluities are cleaned off...

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[JinRaTensei]

They're the Wachowski sisters now.

May not be politically correct but still made me grin XD. I assume most here can agree that there are better ways to live the androgynous aspects of their psyche than cutting of "undesired flesh" ^^

This is a direct insult on my holy religion!

Forgive my insolence of thy holy lord. All hail his name! XD

Different video games, although possibly hosted on the same server.

So basically the only thing humanity can vastly agree on is having nearly the same joysticks o0. And therefor most of our lives we spend arguing what a pretty gamepad/controller/joystick has to look like.And how much easier playing our games will be if we finally achieve this joystick.

Sometimes there are server updates, universal and big events, which affect all but still we never play the same game so what use is it to share and compete with another players high score.

Only those who play their specific game to the end will see the end credits and realize that it all has been a game and that god is just a sweaty, fat game developer o0

...still frustrating, don´t we all just wish to play one and the same multiplayer game together like Mario Party which would be heaven.

 

[Andro]

So basically the only thing humanity can vastly agree on is having nearly the same joysticks. And therefor most of our lives we spend arguing what a pretty gamepad/controller/joystick has to look like. And how much easier playing our games will be if we finally achieve this joystick.

cutting of "undesired flesh"

You mean cutting the Joy-Stick?

In fact, VERY few actually go all the way and make the 'Final Cut'.

Forgive my insolence of thy holy lord. All hail his name!

You are forgiven, my child. 10 Bloody Marys and a bowl of Holy Pasta.

god is just a sweaty, fat game developer

And always hungry for one thing: MORE!

 

[Awani]

I assume most here can agree that there are better ways to live the androgynous aspects of their psyche than cutting of "undesired flesh".

I don't. For some it is a choice between cutting the dick or the throat.

Although all this will be easier to remedy once we can live full time in VR (VR within VR).

...still frustrating, don´t we all just wish to play one and the same multiplayer game together like Mario Party which would be heaven.

IMO a shitty game... multiplayer Minecraft much better choice...

 

[JinRaTensei]

IMO a shitty game... multiplayer Minecraft much better choice...

I don´t like your game choice therefor Satan! ^^

 

[zoas23]

You mean cutting the Joy-Stick?

In fact, VERY few actually go all the way and make the 'Final Cut'.

I love the system of Origen, very good with his metaphoric interpretations... I never got why he felt the need to make the final cut in such a literal way and cut his joystick to embrace God... My only complain against him.

 

[z0 K]

Do you think the Nazis would have been able to:

1. capture me
2. detain me
3. force me to work
4. gas me

...without me putting up a resistance (and possibly getting killed in the process - which is fine)... but I would NEVER allow myself to be compromised. That is what I mean. People allow themselves to be stepped on. I have family who died in those camps so it is not like I am not emotionally involved. I still think there is a difference between getting killed for resisting and just allowing yourself to be put to slaughter. Enough of Godwins law...

I have actually visually seen the Parasite. So I know who it is. Or in other words who it is not (and is), as it does not exist.

I'm sorry for your personal loss of family to War. The only Jews the Nazis didn't capture were the ones that fled early.

Your 4 points are a typical response that helps us retain our delusion of personal power when faced with the reality of obscene incomprehensible brutality and death.

The Nazis would have been able to capture you if you stayed where you are believing in the absurdity of your nonexistent superiority. They would rob you of your delusional personal power. They would restrain you for your hubris. Screw you up the arse into utter humiliation. Then they would castrate you for the docility effect. And happily put you to work in a Farben factory.

You would unwillingly and forcibly participate in the Parasites' consummation of your Spirit as you are the other half of the sacrifical meal. You as the victim provide the pain and misery for the Nazis to relish in as the Parasite consumes the Nazi "priests" joy in the power over another and the victims Spirit, your Spirit, consumed in the wallow of misery.

The Lord of Light gives you the delusion of personal power and the Dark Lord takes it away when you are ripe. They are the two heads of the Parasite.

If you have seen the nonexistent Parasite, please describe what you saw.

 

[Andro]

"...he would never allow himself to be compromised", implying preferring getting killed for resisting.

Even so, the 'spirit-harvesting' doesn't end with the the physical plane, so killing oneself rather than be 'taken' is just a momentary patch in the 'bigger picture'. The 'food chain' operates on multiple levels.

If you have seen the nonexistent Parasite, please describe what you saw.

Indeed, please do...

 

[Dwellings]

Dev said "he would never allow himself to be compromised", implying preferring getting killed for resisting.

Even so, the 'spirit-harvesting' doesn't end with the the physical plane, so killing oneself rather than be 'taken' is just a momentary patch in the 'bigger picture'. The 'food chain' operates on multiple levels.

Who are the harvesters?
Can you elaborate the boldened ones a bit more; for what purpose etc?