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. The Central Salt

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I would like to remind the readers that the Central Salt is a type of Virgin Earth.
This Virgin Earth, as has been mentioned several times, goes through a process of generation and RE-generation.

As with all alchemical writings, there could be that which is prepared and that which is readily available.
There is a virgin earth, highlighted clearly, in Opus Mago Cabalisticum and also in the book of Abraham the Jew, and even referred to earlier in this and many other threads,
whereby one might get a virgin earth beneath the roots of plants. Depth of a man's leg. So this is readily available soil. Then one might prepare the virgin "earth salts" from this.

And experiments with various salts are for learning and demonstration purposes only OR may be used to prepare a magnet for the collection of SM, remembering though, that this magnet is NOT the prima materia, or the virgin earth or the Central Salt.
The Central Salt could be chemically defined if you wanted to define it, but it would serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever, since to go out and re-create this chemically would not give you Living Virgin Earth. Nor is it one particular chemical anyway, but in fact several.
And if it is in fact several, why do the authors speak about it like one thing?? Because it serves a purpose to view it as one thing, and does not at all serve any purpose to try and specify its chemical properties. I feel like to do so would actually be detrimental. And that, I can say from practical experience.

interesting discussion.
So, there is a matter we start with. Prima materia.
this is not the magnet itself (though one might say that like does draw like, since they are all coming from or ARE of the One thing, so any prima materia will likely be some sort of a magnet to the spiritus mundi)...

the magnet helps draw and concentrate the astral spirit with which we imbibe the matter until it putrefies.
Then we have the true materia prima...
I confess, i always get confused with what term is right for the first matter of the philosopher's which refers to the blackness of the matter having gone through putrefaction... versus, the matter we take to begin the work. There has been discussion on this in the forum, but it hasn't stuck. For me, it's the same term for two different states of matter, like in so many other alchemical jumblings. Or perhaps even three states of matter, if we included the blacker than black state of putrefaction when the Tincture of Sulphur and the Mercury are combined.

and I write a caveat here that the actual color itself might not be exactly black as the night... but the color refers to the state it is in - putrefaction, death, Saturn's dominion.
 

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There is only one (earthly) Central Salt, no matter which kingdom or raw material it is drawn from.

It always has the exact same characteristics when drawn from a subject matter (possibly the "Materia Remota" in some nomenclatures) and cleansed of its kingdom-specific impurities.

There is also a "heavenly" or "upper" (macrocosmic) "Central Salt", which is complementary to the "earthly" one.

The union of those two Central Salts (lower and upper) gives us the actual "Prima Materia" (regardless of provenience), i.e. the Earth where we derive, extract, exalt and unite our Principles.

It's symbolized by a cross within a circle.

So instead of seeking this or that matter or mineral or whatever, it's wiser (IMO) to seek the Center that is literally present (although obscured) in every living thing.

This is IMO one of the all time favorite mind-fucks of most alchemical authors, especially when they tell us to search in the mineral kingdom.

And they're not (technically) wrong, this salt is indeed a sort of "mineral", but it's the same in ALL kingdoms.
 

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There is only one (earthly) Central Salt, no matter which kingdom or raw material it is drawn from.

It always has the exact same characteristics when drawn from a subject matter (possibly the "Materia Remota" in some nomenclatures) and cleansed of its kingdom-specific impurities.

There is also a "heavenly" or "upper" (macrocosmic) "Central Salt", which is complementary to the "earthly" one.

The union of those two Central Salts (lower and upper) gives us the actual "Prima Materia" (regardless of provenience), i.e. the Earth where we derive, extract, exalt and unite our Principles.

It's symbolized by a cross within a circle.

So instead of seeking this or that matter or mineral or whatever, it's wiser (IMO) to seek the Center that is literally present (although obscured) in every living thing.

This is IMO one of the all time favorite mind-fucks of most alchemical authors, especially when they tell us to search in the mineral kingdom.

And they're not (technically) wrong, this salt is indeed a sort of "mineral", but it's the same in ALL kingdoms.

I love you.

Cheers.
 

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Vyacheslav. Please try not to die. The process you are using is quite capable of generating an explosive. Glass shards in the eyeballs is not a path to the stone.

I would like to remind the readers that the Central Salt is a type of Virgin Earth.

This Virgin Earth, as has been mentioned several times, goes through a process of generation and RE-generation.

This regeneration occurs after Putrifaction. We are looking for a substance that has endured this process in order to supply us with a ready-made living virgin earth, that has not been specified by chemistry, since when viewed chemically I think you will find that it is in fact a number of things, albeit, from a conceptual point of view, truely is just "One Thing"

What I am interested to know, and soon will be the subject of my practise, is how, and why, if at all, does this Salt interact with light.

Does this Salt literally volatize under certain optical conditions?

Let us look to the hand of the philosopher's. We see "Nitre" on the thumb, surrounded by the symbol of the moon.

But this is not actual potassium nitrate. Potassium nitrate is used here as the allegory because the crystallization structure of the Central Salt in its pre-mature phase looks similar to this salt, and it is my speculation here that moonlight may play a part in its volitalization and subsequent transformations.

We then see 4 more salts, again, allegorical to the transformation of crystallization that occurs when this central salt undergoes particular energetic upgrades as a result of the alchemical process.

Now let's also try to clarify something to bring us closer to some actual success.

The central salt, is the result of a successful extraction from the prima materia. This is distinct from a magnet that may be used to collect and fixate the Universal spirit, which can be used to ramp up the alchemical process.

What I am still to discover, when I get the time, is how the moonlight imbusions differ from saturation with Universal spirit

Or at least this is how I currently understand the process from my theoretical point of view.

@Black. The expensive set up is about half complete. Slowed down by the unexpected divorce. But don't worry. It's coming.

Furthermore:
So if "Nitre" is not really nitre. And "Common Salt" is not really common salt. And "Sal ammoniac" is not really sal ammoniac. Then it should be easy to see for the discerning ear, that NO chemical substance that can be found in a regular laboratory is in fact this Central Salt. And experiments with various salts are for learning and demonstration purposes only OR may be used to prepare a magnet for the collection of SM, remembering though, that this magnet is NOT the prima materia, or the virgin earth or the Central Salt.

The Central Salt could be chemically defined if you wanted to define it, but it would serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever, since to go out and re-create this chemically would not give you Living Virgin Earth. Nor is it one particular chemical anyway, but in fact several.

And if it is in fact several, why do the authors speak about it like one thing?? Because it serves a purpose to view it as one thing, and does not at all serve any purpose to try and specify its chemical properties. I feel like to do so would actually be detrimental. And that, I can say from practical experience.

Greetings, colleagues!
Thank you, Elixirmixer. I didn't even think about it! Really, not the best idea. Thanks again, friend!
Now my view has changed somewhat...And I will behave more modestly. I will stop rushing into the forum with huge photos and loud statements that I have not tested in my own practice.

I fully agree that the word "central" should be understood as "universal". The least differentiated salt. We can say this is a retrograde process. The process of returning to the universal/potential state. The active agent of such transformation should be the universal fire of nature (SM). Indeed, there is a paradox. We need SM to make universal salt. But the prepared salt is a magnet for SM. However, this paradox does not exclude the possibility of its practical implementation.
I am currently engaged in a number of practical studies to confirm these reflections. The materials used for the work are: urine (GW), salt (Nacl) and copper sulfate (CuSO4). No, I didn't mix it all together. These are different experiments.

The most interesting thing is that the processes take place without my active participation. Of course, I intervene as necessary, but too little time has passed to talk about the results.
 
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Originally Posted by Andro

There is only one (earthly) Central Salt, no matter which kingdom or raw material it is drawn from.
It always has the exact same characteristics when drawn from a subject matter (possibly the "Materia Remota" in some nomenclatures) and cleansed of its kingdom-specific impurities.

Andro your post, that I quoted in part just above here, is fantastic.
I just reread it again and it does boil things down beautifully to the essence of the matter. (pun intended).

I wanted to ask you about the term Materia Remota.
I have never seen it mentioned before, specifically as that.
Surely, it lies juxtaposed as a sort of opposite term to Materia Prima.
But it also means on the golden chain toward the fixed side of things. Doesn't it?

In Toeltius' Coelem, Chapter 42, he also uses the term Ultima Materia.
This means, the last matter, which is glass. It likely also refers to the ultimate goal - the stone - which is also vitrified.
I recently reread The Golden Chain of Homer, and found that the term Materia Remota might apply to something like Flint...

What do you think?
 

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I wanted to ask you about the term Materia Remota.
I have never seen it mentioned before, specifically as that.
Surely, it lies juxtaposed as a sort of opposite term to Materia Prima.

It's not "opposite". In this case, what I refer to as 'Materia Remota" is a (not the) matter that gives us the Prima Materia that we work on.

But it also means on the golden chain toward the fixed side of things. Doesn't it?

It's the Patient, so naturally more "fixed" than the Agent.

In Toeltius' Coelem, Chapter 42, he also uses the term Ultima Materia.

That's a very interesting term and would also fit the bill IMO.

This means, the last matter, which is glass. It likely also refers to the ultimate goal - the stone - which is also vitrified.
I recently reread The Golden Chain of Homer, and found that the term Materia Remota might apply to something like Flint...

Not sure about glass or flint specifically in this context.

Quartz/silica may have a role to play in later stages, according to some sources which I can't recall right now.

Other than that, I never made or saw a "vitrified" alchemical product to date, so I can't comment.
 

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Andro your post, that I quoted in part just above here, is fantastic.
I just reread it again and it does boil things down beautifully to the essence of the matter. (pun intended).

I wanted to ask you about the term Materia Remota.
I have never seen it mentioned before, specifically as that.
Surely, it lies juxtaposed as a sort of opposite term to Materia Prima.
But it also means on the golden chain toward the fixed side of things. Doesn't it?

In Toeltius' Coelem, Chapter 42, he also uses the term Ultima Materia.
This means, the last matter, which is glass. It likely also refers to the ultimate goal - the stone - which is also vitrified.
I recently reread The Golden Chain of Homer, and found that the term Materia Remota might apply to something like Flint...

What do you think?

Thank you for sharing your thoughts Triune. Here are my thoughts for what they are worth, which could well be nothing more than to further conversation, alas...

Ultima materia could also talk about the matter that everything is born from and decays to because ultimately it is all this one matter.

Flint is the most fixed and thus one could argue is at the opposite end of the spectrum. In order for spirit to imbue in the matter it must be porous. If we are talking Golden Chain of Homer then consider the law of mediums in this way.

I've read in a few places about not multiplying the stone too much or it would radically dissolve even flint/glass. I think we start with our matter/fire being much weaker than this and thus flint/glass isnt really what we're looking for in our crude matter.
 

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Thank you for sharing your thoughts Triune. Here are my thoughts for what they are worth, which could well be nothing more than to further conversation, alas...
Ultima materia could also talk about the matter that everything is born from and decays to because ultimately it is all this one matter.

I see. I hadn't thought of that. That makes sense of a possibility for the terms.
Yes...

Flint is the most fixed and thus one could argue is at the opposite end of the spectrum. In order for spirit to imbue in the matter it must be porous. If we are talking Golden Chain of Homer then consider the law of mediums in this way.

I just reread that book (Part 1 and PaArt 2) this week, inspired by the discussions emerging regarding Part 3.
The first two parts are so clear and so fundamentally important toward understanding principles that just about every other author omits.
Fixing the volatile and volatilizing the fixed also require one, or more, mediums.
 

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Logistical Post

I posted these photos in the wrong section. There is a more appropriate place on this forum "Salt & Water".

Those posts have been moved to the Salt & Water thread.

Thanks for pointing this out, Vyacheslav!
 

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This is the salt of salts. We could say it is the "first vitriol".

Yes it is not organic, metallic or mineral, but, it is organic, metallic and mineral in the same time... since it is the root of all salts.

We can get it from retrogradation from anything, since everything is "made out" of it.

A good example is mercury. Mercury as root of all metals. And we can get it from retrogradation of all metals.

And it is sometime easier with some metals than others. Some are just closer from the root.

It is exactly the same thing with the Central Salt of Nature.
So if I understood correctly (I realized some time ago that everything I thought I understood wasn't worth shit), should we go back to the universal salt, mercury, and sulfur, join these last ones, and incorporate the salt afterwards?

This universal salt, due to its universal nature, is already volatile, or does it also need to be volatile like the other "specific" salts? Is there a specific key to volatilize it, or does the same method for the "specific" salts work?
 

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I continued my research on the central salt. Simple coagulations are useless to me. It's like connecting heaven and earth...So I went back to the principles. And started over. The effort expended cannot be described in words. As a result, I got a salt of medium nature (as I called it myself). I think this is another breakthrough and insight. This is really a salt of average nature (literally). Fantastically hygroscopic. Absorbs water in a matter of hours or minutes. It goes into the liquid phase almost instantly (depending on the amount of salt). But there is one problem - it is a purely chemical product. I know that many will want to object. But here's what I'll say:
1. The salt was obtained in accordance with the principles of alchemical work (this is a union of volatile and fixed origin, and I understood what I was doing and why).
2. This is a homogeneous compound (it is impossible to isolate the original substances back).
3. Starting substances from the same source (although I used chemical analogues).
4. It is an excellent candidate for dissolution in air moisture (due to hyper hygroscopicity).

In the end, I came to the conclusion that the beginning of alchemy is the end of ordinary chemistry (its maximum expression).
I'll add a photo a little later*

This is a machine translation, I'm sorry if it's difficult to perceive the text...my head is literally exploding. Inspiration goes alongside the deepest depression.

I feel about the same as the guy from this movie...Sometimes I want to drill my head too.
 
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Indeed. And it can be "fixed" with a Magnet or with other means (some of them optical in nature).
I remember someone saying something about quartz lenses to the sun doesn't burn the matter Does anyone have the source for this?

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Maybe a wind vane?

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But more like this:

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"The glorious Sun its father is, and the Moon the real mother, the wind does close it in its belly"
The words of Father Aristeus to his son. "this knowledge of the Extraction of Air, the Celestial Aerial Substance, from Air; for Air may be familiar to all beings, but he who would truly avail himself thereof must possess the secret Key of Nature"
The wind carries it in its belly, and like the eagle it cleaves the air and escapes from our eyes, fluttering over our heads, always moveing away from the earth.
Something that catches the wind makes some sense.
 

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I'm not saying chemistry matters. I wanted to say that principles matter. This is a semi-finished product. However, I firmly believe that chemistry precedes alchemy. The first operations are preparatory and they are purely chemical.
 

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I'm not saying chemistry matters. I wanted to say that principles matter. This is a semi-finished product. However, I firmly believe that chemistry precedes alchemy. The first operations are preparatory and they are purely chemical.
It is possible to do alchemical reactions with common chemicals but you will reach a ceiling which you cannot pass regarding potency.
 

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Fantastically hygroscopic. Absorbs water in a matter of hours or minutes. It goes into the liquid phase almost instantly.
You mean it "goes into the liquid phase" due to being hygroscopic? (deliquescent/absorbing humidity)

Or does it liquefy by itself when gently heated, with no exposure to humidity?
 

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Greetings, friends. I'm sorry I didn't answer for so long...despondency and depression. As for the answer to the question, it rather melts from light heating. I decided to show once than to write a long message.
This is potassium carbonate (potash). More precisely, it was potash. The preparation process took about two weeks, maybe a little more. The temperature in the process is 70 degrees Celsius maximum. Repeated cycles...
I don't think it has anything to do with alchemy. Rather, it's chemical humor...although I may be wrong.
I haven't slept well for the last three days, so it's been hard for me to concentrate.
 

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it rather melts from light heating. I decided to show once than to write a long message.
Thanks for taking the time to record a video and put it up for us all to see.
Even though I’ve read about the effect many times in the olde texts, that’s the first time I’ve ever witnessed it.
TBH I wondered if it was even truly possible to actually make salt melt like wax on a hot plate.
I don't think it has anything to do with alchemy
Hate to disagree with you, but IMO this is everything to do with alchemy.
In fact, IMO if you can create a metal oxide loaded with HIM, in the same way you’ve loaded up your potcarb, then you’ll have a transmutation stone.
I'm sorry I didn't answer for so long...despondency and depression
That’s pretty sad to read this, even sadder that you have your finger right on the pulse of HIM while still feeling depressed.
In my experience, imbibing a strong HIM medicine banishes depression and a whole host of other maladies.
IMO, you should start brewing and drinking your own kombucha, it’s already a thing in some places in Russia, so that shouldn’t be too strange an idea for you.
And failing that, perhaps you might consider vivifying table salt, in the same manner as you already did to your potcarb, and then use it for cooking (better to brew Kombucha though).
 
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I think it's very interesting and if this came from potash wow awesome.

I'm guessing you used an acid on purified potash and maybe a reflux with an alcohol to get the state change, it is not common chemistry as far as I can tell.


Try to seal it in a vessel and keep molten. Look for needles or color changes.
 

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Okay so riddle me this though.

The Central Salt.

I see it like this. Many salts can do the work to some degree. Like the many spiritual and religious practises of the world that also bring in the spirit.

Then you save a handful of salts that are particularly good at it. Like the pillars of cultural thought, Christianity, Judaism, Dao Buddhism, Islam etc that are especially built to encapsulate a large "amount" of charge.

Then we have the Central Salt. Hermeticism. The Pure Universal form of Salt that reigns high above all other salts and shares a natural and perfect unity with the counterpart, allowing it to express itself in its truest essence.

Each of the particular salts have their purpose and properties and evolutions through Art. But so early days when we barely have a pinky finger on the thread, we desire only to master the root cause of all these particulars so that we can heal and become awake and then claim mastery over all other salts.

So I believe something like, calcite is the top dawg of the mineral realm. However within Calcite, as within many other matters, there exists an inert Salt that can be made to appear through alchemical process.

It is this salt that is the true seed of metals that can most purely collect and express the universal sulphur philo.

If I am able to stand on the shoulders of those taller than I, Andro has spoken numerous times of this subject and with great generosity. Perhaps I'll leave it to the devote to seek it out. The Central Salt that is.

I haven't heard him say much about Calcite. So in layman's terms, I think that the best magnet is an inert Salt that can be produced from the "waters" of say perhaps, atmospheric nitrogen, and calcite. Again I don't necessarily think that is  has to be nitrogen, nor do I think this is the best way. But it's a way.

Some alchemical process would drop out the secret salt, but I don't know what that is, it's my main point of enquiry at the moment, so I guess I've pulled the forum up to speed with my works I. The mineral realm, albiet, I would consider this to possibly be the least effective path, but certainly of great interest and importance for my learning.

I hope ghetto and others can jump in and share their thoughts.

This is basically my "poor man's path" way. I dont know if that matches the definitions in the text, but there are a number of other paths that I believe have more to offer.
 

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Very interesting thought, I believe it is correct, The "central salt" is the principle in its maximum exponent, the right "nest" for the eagle to land, the perfect receptacle of the spirit that awaits a womb to be reborn