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Can someone please attach a copy of the linked version of Chemical Moonshine. The file was removed from the download page.

I can supply the PDF/text (Manly P. Hall version/manuscript), but is there anyone here who can host it permanently on their own website?

Meanwhile, I've uploaded it to scribd.com - HERE.
 

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The problem with scribd is that you have to be registered.

I can host it permanently on my Mega Upload if you want me to.

Here is the jpeg good quality version + pdf light version + another version of the text found on the net in pdf + the copy of some infos i had on the book on the net. MP Hall.

https://mega.co.nz/#!shVzVQrb!hIS5Ojf65MAGT3iB3ouGL7eqDIsAiQrZVxoV3xt9P2Q
 
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A question to all you Ormus people out there...

To all traditional Ormus experimenters...

Except for briefly ingesting some "White Dove" from Don Nance around 12 years ago, I have pretty much zero experience with Ormus.

I'm curious to see if there might be a possible correlation or similarity between the "Virgin Earth" or "Central Salt" of Alchemy and a "washed-to-the-extreme" Ormus precipitate, regardless whether it was obtained via "wet" pH swings or "dry" sodium burns, etc...

What matters is that the precipitate is thoroughly "washed" and contains none of the common salts involved in the preparation. Ideally, it would be a rather inert and highly insoluble material, with no medicinal or other "exotic" properties.

Has anyone here obtained such a Precipitate from Ormus experimentation?
 

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To all traditional Ormus experimenters...
Has anyone here obtained such a Precipitate from Ormus experimentation?

Even though I make and consume sea water precipitate all the time, I haven’t ever created a magical ormus.
However I only ever wash the precipitate with tap water, I never use spring water to wash because I think that’s a waste.

I have noticed that other researchers who produced something special do use spring water to wash.....so IMO that’s the “secret sauce”.
 

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"A woman's work and a childs play" - Ancient Alchemical axiom for the preparation of the philosophers stone.

I had some jars out last night, preparing what I now know to be the natural source for the 'Sal Metallorum' or the 'Centrum Naturae Congentratum' or otherwise the 'Regenerated Salt of Nature', commonly called The Central Salt.

As I was mixing the substance in a very large glass jar I couldnt help but have this axiom coming to my mind while I was doing it, thinking to myself, "Surely many women and children must have indeed done exactly what I am doing right now."

Today, after spending the day with the family, returning to work, and then taking a break and walking outside... I found my daughter Lilliana out the front with a glass jar. And to my amazement, my very own daughter, was performing exactly what I had been performing the night before in the silence of my laboratory. And this was the very moment that I realized, that after these many years.. I had discovered the true practise of Alchemy, the Sacred Science of God.

Thank you Lilliana. Truely the little children are the wisest of us all.
 

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Wash with vortex trap water from a good well to dope it
 

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Thanks for the replies, but that's not what I asked.

My question was if anyone has ever obtained a thoroughly "cleaned"/washed ormus precipitate, not doped with anything, and without any additional salts (i.e. without any traces of sodium, magnesium, etc.).

I'm talking about the rather inert precipitate left after ALL the other salts have been removed by multiple repeated washings.

It should not have any medicinal properties, that's not what I'm looking for in this particular instance.

Thanks.
 

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salt ormus dissolved and cleaned up with distilled vinegar ocd amounts of washing glitter?

https://youtu.be/_8FcassrMBg

When doping use double or triple distilled water only energetic doping not more salts so to say?

https://youtu.be/BcRg_OkyiQ0
Torsion spun salt participate I don't know what it is but it looks different one is kinda greenish and the other is himalaya pink color washed like 5 times

https://youtu.be/iaqvlV1ORjw
I also made saturated bi-carb + good salt water and let it evaporate slowly first time I did it it crystallized on top of the water second time I tried it it crystallized under water in a nice layer third time its starting to climb I'm warming it a bit with a salt lamp.
The climbing crystals taste kinda like fish and look cool, I think ill collect them and separate it from the water then try making it climb again in a different container.

Idk if that's helpful or useful just what I know about similar, I think the trick is using distilled water every time to not add more contaminants but keep giving it more "gaia particles" making it more live?

separate the highest climbing parts from the lower ones, the stuff that climbs first tastes less like salt and more like "fish"?
 

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I am inquiring about the DRIED precipitate after OCD washing. I am interested to see if there are similarities between this washed & dried precipitate and the Central Salt of Alchemy.

For this particular inquiry, I have no interest in doping or volatilizing or anything of the kind.

salt ormus dissolved and cleaned up with distilled vinegar ocd amounts of washing glitter?

https://youtu.be/_8FcassrMBg

When doping use double or triple distilled water only energetic doping not more salts so to say?

https://youtu.be/BcRg_OkyiQ0
Torsion spun salt participate I don't know what it is but it looks different one is kinda greenish and the other is himalaya pink color washed like 5 times

https://youtu.be/iaqvlV1ORjw
I also made saturated bi-carb + good salt water and let it evaporate slowly first time I did it it crystallized on top of the water second time I tried it it crystallized under water in a nice layer third time its starting to climb I'm warming it a bit with a salt lamp.
The climbing crystals taste kinda like fish and look cool, I think ill collect them and separate it from the water then try making it climb again in a different container.

Idk if that's helpful or useful just what I know about similar, I think the trick is using distilled water every time to not add more contaminants but keep giving it more "gaia particles" making it more live?

separate the highest climbing parts from the lower ones, the stuff that climbs first tastes less like salt and more like "fish"?
 

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I am inquiring about the DRIED precipitate after OCD washing. I am interested to see if there are similarities between this washed & dried precipitate and the Central Salt of Alchemy.

There are no similarities between the washed & dried precipitate and the Central Salt of Alchemy.
It is totally impossible to collect Our Mercury, Secret Solvent, SM, etc from Ormus.

These Ormus operations have nothing to do with Alchemy.
 

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These Ormus operations have nothing to do with Alchemy.
There’s an entire sub-forum here dedicated to ormus operations.

WRT properly answering your question Andro...I have no idea what “virgin earth” or “central salt” actually refers to.
 

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WRT properly answering your question Andro...I have no idea what “virgin earth” or “central salt” actually refers to.

It's an interest I've had for a while... Getting this info from an actual ormus experimenter, about the appearance, properties, etc. of the dried precipitate after it is washed like crazy to remove all other "normal" salts that may still be in there. The bit about the Central Salt isn't really part of my question, but I suspect a sort of central salt is what remains after all the other stuff is washed away.

There is a common thread running through all these different approaches and disciplines, and I'd be dumb and blind to ignore or deny it.


Thank you for the reply, and for all your contributions here!
 

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It's an interest I've had for a while... Getting this info from an actual ormus experimenter, about the appearance, properties, etc. of the dried precipitate after it is washed like crazy to remove all other "normal" salts that may still be in there. The bit about the Central Salt isn't really part of my question, but I suspect a sort of central salt is what remains after all the other stuff is washed away.
Ah...I understand now.
Thanks for clarifying.

There is a common thread running through all these different approaches and disciplines, and I'd be dumb and blind to ignore or deny it.
Indeed there is a common thread, and so glad to hear that you’re aware of it.

Thank you for the reply, and for all your contributions here!
That really means a lot to me to hear from someone such as yourself.
Thanks to you also for all your contributions here over the years, both as an author and as a mod.
I feel so much gratitude for this amazing community and space that you all created here.
 

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There’s an entire sub-forum here dedicated to ormus operations.
Hi Getto

Yes there is, and enormous amounts of information written in other places as well, but those amounts of information do not give to it (ormus) any credence to being related to Alchemy in any way.

I was one of many to become very excited back in the day when David Hudson came out with his most amazing claims.

Now I'm trying to set the record straight and clear up all the wild fantasy (total BS) how those and many other assertions are related to Alchemy ... they are not.

I do feel for those that have been led down this and many other wrong paths, that they believed would open a genuine door to Alchemy.

I'm not saying there are no interesting things to find with ormus ... what I am saying is that ormus has absolutely nothing to do with Alchemy.

I'm sure there will be a few members that do not share this view and I would be glad to hear their opinions on this subject. :)
 
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Hi Getto

Yes there is, and enormous amounts of information written in other places as well, but those amounts of information do not give to it (ormus) any credence to being related to Alchemy in any way.

I was one of many to become very excited back in the day when David Hudson came out with his most amazing claims.

Now I'm trying to set the record straight and clear up all the wild fantasy (total BS) how those and many other assertions are related to Alchemy ... they are not.

I do feel for those that have been led down this and many other wrong paths, that they believed would open a genuine door to Alchemy.

I'm not saying there are no interesting things to find with ormus ... what I am saying is that ormus has absolutely nothing to do with Alchemy.

I'm sure there will be a few members that do not share this view and I would be glad to hear their opinions on this subject. :)

Hi Black,

With pleasure. :)

Firstly: Alchemy is the very Nature of the cosmos. So everything is related to Alchemy. Literally everything.

Secondly: Even given the specialised topic which alone you allow this term to represent, monoatomic gold actually has alot to do with Alchemy. Note that I am not specfically referring to David Hudson's work, about which (even though it sounds interesting) I don't know much. Long before I first heard of that, I reached the conclusion that matter in the (ultra-)colloidal state should indeed channel hyperdimensional energy (what alchemists call spiritus mundi) into the physical plane.

This can be modelled using different frameworks, including quantum physical and quantum chemical ones, respectively. To put it simply, matter in the dispersed phase approaches its original state and therefore connects to the etheric plane.

It is for this reason that colloidal metals play such a prominent role notably in Indian Alchemy, but also in a number of works from the Western tradition, including Geber's Summa Perfectionis. :)

Thirdly: No offence, Black, but your posts were so much more inspiring to read before you somehow came across what is to you the singular truth in Alchemy now.

As the saying goes: "Seek the company of those who search for truth; run from those who have found it."

Those wise words apply to everything, and especially to a topic as mercurial as Alchemy.

Cheers
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Thank you for your response Michael.

Firstly: Alchemy is the very Nature of the cosmos.
I would say that Light is the very nature of the cosmos, not Alchemy as there is a big difference.

Alchemy is a Natural Science of assisting nature in the production of a pure Universal Quintessence, via the Alchemic Process and because Alchemy is working with a life force then the products of the Work can continue to "Grow" in Volume or in Virtue/Frequency/Energy.

The "Central Salt" is not used in any Ormus operations, but it is of paramount importance in the processes of Alchemy.

So everything is related to Alchemy. Literally everything.
My view would be that everything is connected to "The Light", but Alchemy works with a more specific part of "The Light" that enables the generation and evolvement of Quintessence.

Secondly: Even given the specialised topic which alone you allow this term to represent, monoatomic gold actually has alot to do with Alchemy.
To my understanding there is no relationship between "monoatomic gold" and Alchemy.

Note that I am not specfically referring to David Hudson's work, about which (even though it sounds interesting) I don't know much. Long before I first heard of that, I reached the conclusion that matter in the (ultra-)colloidal state should indeed channel hyperdimensional energy (what alchemists call spiritus mundi) into the physical plane.
Alchemy does not use "(ultra-)colloidal states" made from metals, but some Alchemists may suggest that Spiritus Mundi is used as a magnet to attract "Specific Energies".

This can be modeled using different frameworks, including quantum physical and quantum chemical ones, respectively. To put it simply, matter in the dispersed phase approaches its original state and therefore connects to the etheric plane.
It is for this reason that colloidal metals play such a prominent role notably in Indian Alchemy, but also in a number of works from the Western tradition, including Geber's Summa Perfectionis.

The different colored spirits that evolve in the work are given the names of the planets and the metals that are associated with them.
This is a way to measure the evolution of the work.
There is no place for Colloidal metals in Alchemy.
In advanced Alchemy, metals can be used but only if they have been enlivened and this is not performed by any colloidal process.

Thirdly: No offence, Black, but your posts were so much more inspiring to read before you somehow came across what is to you the singular truth in Alchemy now.

I feel it would be quite remiss of me if I inspired members along a false path.

What suggestions would you offer to those that were working on a total misconception of Alchemy and following a path that would never give them an Alchemic result.

Would you offer suggestions or just ignore them and look the other way.

As the saying goes: "Seek the company of those who search for truth; run from those who have found it."
So many that are venturing on this Alchemic quest, have no compass and are totally lost.

To remain on topic, can you help Andro with his question about the "Central Salt" ? :)
 

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Thank you for your response Michael.


I would say that Light is the very nature of the cosmos, not Alchemy as there is a big difference.

Traditionally, there is Speculative Alchemy on the one hand, and Practical Alchemy on the other - e.g. see the works of Roger Bacon for this distinction. Speculative Alchemy discusses things like the generation of metals in the Earth and even the origin and evolution of the cosmos at large. It provides the foundation for the practical art; without it, the latter would be nil.

Thus, my personal research over the last three decades focussed on reestablishing those theoretical foundations in a modern scientific context. The book I am currently working on (whose first part should be published in the course of this year) will cover this topic in depth.

Note that in Bacon's view, the practical art was not only about the manufacture of the Philosopher's Stone and the Panacea, but also of iatrochemical remedies and even pigments. In fact, the distinction into Alchemy, chemistry and spagyrics was not made before the later part of the 17th century.

Alchemy is a Natural Science of assisting nature in the production of a pure Universal Quintessence, via the Alchemic Process and because Alchemy is working with a life force then the products of the Work can continue to "Grow" in Volume or in Virtue/Frequency/Energy.

Indeed, Alchemy is the art of elevating natural substances to a higher vibrational state.

The "Central Salt" is not used in any Ormus operations, but it is of paramount importance in the processes of Alchemy.

How excactly would you define the "Central Salt", please?

My view would be that everything is connected to "The Light", but Alchemy works with a more specific part of "The Light" that enables the generation and evolvement of Quintessence.

Quintessence comes into play even in the manufacture of "particulars" (which are more or less synonymous with what is called "spagyrics" today). In this regard, see John of Rupescissa's De consideratione quintæ essentiæ, which BTW was foundational for some of the work attributed to Raymond Lull.

To my understanding there is no relationship between "monoatomic gold" and Alchemy.


Alchemy does not use "(ultra-)colloidal states" made from metals, but some Alchemists may suggest that Spiritus Mundi is used as a magnet to attract "Specific Energies".

Then why were Alchemists in the old days so concerned with refining metallic matter to its most minute "corpuscles"? This is a recurrent theme throughout the classical literature. Again, Geber's Summa Perfectionis would be a great place to start, including the commentaries of William R. Newman and Ernst Darmstaedter in their respective editions.

I feel it would be quite remiss of me if I inspired members along a false path.

I was referring mostly to the exemplary (Daoist-like) open-mindedness that sometimes made your previous posts stand out for me, in stark contrast to the "zebra thinking" frequently characterising your more recent writing.

What suggestions would you offer to those that were working on a total misconception of Alchemy and following a path that would never give them an Alchemic result.

Perhaps contemplate the following words from Friedrich Nietzsche (Human, All Too Human):

"In the mountains of truth you will never climb in vain: either you will get up higher today or you will exercise your strength so as to be able to get up higher tomorrow."

Would you offer suggestions or just ignore them and look the other way.


So many that are venturing on this Alchemic quest, have no compass and are totally lost.

This is true and has always been the case, ever since people started being interested in Alchemy. It is commendable that you wish to give others some guidance on the path, but even if you had made the Philosopher's Stone yourself, how would you know that your way there is the only viable one?

Not only would I consider the great variety found in the classical texts a reason for caution, I also believe that the Great Work is both an internal and external process that every seeker must pursue in their own way.

To remain on topic, can you help Andro with his question about the "Central Salt" ? :)

What I can say with regard to the foregoing discussion in this thread is that the "cleansing" mentioned in certain texts often simply refers to the process of bringing a metal to a phase of maximum dispersion. It should be possible to further receive a precipitate with interesting characteristics from this.

But this has little to do with washing out salts, in my current understanding. Sea salt does not even enter the process necessarily, however, a mixture of hydrochloric acid and nitric acid (aqua regia) can be used in some of its variations.
 
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Hi Michael

The are several exceptional threads about Alchemy on this forum and I consider
this thread to be one of the more important in relation to the Great Work.

Traditionally, there is Speculative Alchemy on the one hand, and Practical Alchemy on the other - e.g. see the works of Roger Bacon for this distinction. Speculative Alchemy discusses things like the generation of metals in the Earth and even the origin and evolution of the cosmos at large. It provides the foundation for the practical art; without it, the latter would be nil.

Thus, my personal research over the last three decades focussed on reestablishing those theoretical foundations in a modern scientific context. The book I am currently working on (whose first part should be published in the course of this year) will cover this topic in depth.

Note that in Bacon's view, the practical art was not only about the manufacture of the Philosopher's Stone and the Panacea, but also of iatrochemical remedies and even pigments. In fact, the distinction into Alchemy, chemistry and spagyrics was not made before the later part of the 17th century.
You may not want to put so much trust in Roger Bacons Alchemic prowess.

How excactly would you define the "Central Salt", please?
The old masters write that the start of our work is with a Prima materia and for different people the actual start of the work can be at differing points of the process.

Because so many varied paths are written about to the entrance of Alchemy this is where the students of Alchemy face the greatest challenge.

A simple example of this would be, is Our Mercury the Prima Materia or the material that it evolves from, or even the material prior to that ?

The "Central Salt" is the true core for the beginning of the Great Work.

Quintessence comes into play even in the manufacture of "particulars" (which are more or less synonymous with what is called "spagyrics" today).
Yes quite true, but most students do not understand that to extract a Particular Quintessence from the plant realm the Universal Mercury is required, deeming this operation an Alchemic process.

Then why were Alchemists in the old days so concerned with refining metallic matter to its most minute "corpuscles"? This is a recurrent theme throughout the classical literature. Again, Geber's Summa Perfectionis would be a great place to start, including the commentaries of William R. Newman and Ernst Darmstaedter in their respective editions.
Not all but several of the colors of Alchemy will be seen in a crystal clear spirit form, so it is viewed as a metal (because of its color) in "its most minute corpuscles".

I was referring mostly to the exemplary (Daoist-like) open-mindedness that sometimes made your previous posts stand out for me, in stark contrast to the "zebra thinking" frequently characterising your more recent writing.


Some time back I was given the OK from my Mentor to be considerably more outspoken than in the past, in the hope that it may cause a shift in some of the members point of view in relation to the Work.
With some agitation those with a true passion for this Work may be stirred into action in a more correct direction.

Perhaps contemplate the following words from Friedrich Nietzsche (Human, All Too Human):
"In the mountains of truth you will never climb in vain: either you will get up higher today or you will exercise your strength so as to be able to get up higher tomorrow."
Yes Michael, this is very good advise ... search for the truth and then prove it in the lab.
Not sure if Nietzsche was into prayer but I know that it also helps.

This is true and has always been the case, ever since people started being interested in Alchemy. It is commendable that you wish to give others some guidance on the path, but even if you had made the Philosopher's Stone yourself, how would you know that your way there is the only viable one?
I have mentioned this before that there are many, many paths to Our Mercury but only a very few paths to the Stone.

Not only would I consider the great variety found in the classical texts a reason for caution, I also believe that the Great Work is both an internal and external process that every seeker must pursue in their own way.
"the great variety found in the classical texts" are just a multitude of ways of saying the same thing. There is a single thread that is camouflaged in many different ways.

I totally agree that without the internal process (a Spiritual Connection) there can be no positive advancement in the practical pursuit of Alchemy.

What I can say with regard to the foregoing discussion in this thread is that the "cleansing" mentioned in certain texts often simply refers to the process of bringing a metal to a phase of maximum dispersion. It should be possible to further receive a precipitate with interesting characteristics from this.
The only comment I would add here is that after all the "cleansing" is completed there are no salts remaining ... we would not want a salt precipitate.

But this has little to do with washing out salts, in my current understanding. Sea salt does not even enter the process necessarily, however, a mixture of hydrochloric acid and nitric acid (aqua regia) can be used in some of its variations.
Why do you think that "aqua regia" is the Royal Water that is requisite to Our Work ?
 

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Hi Michael

The are several exceptional threads about Alchemy on this forum and I consider
this thread to be one of the more important in relation to the Great Work.


You may not want to put so much trust in Roger Bacons Alchemic prowess.

Why, what's wrong with the Franciscan friar?



For clarification, when it comes to Alchemy, I put my trust in concepts and ideas rather than in people anyway.

And as it happens, 'Doctor Mirabilis' Roger Bacon had a grand vision of the nature and potential of Our Art that truly resonates with me.

The old masters write that the start of our work is with a Prima materia and for different people the actual start of the work can be at differing points of the process.

Because so many varied paths are written about to the entrance of Alchemy this is where the students of Alchemy face the greatest challenge.

There seems to be a common misunderstanding that the Prima Materia would be identically the starting matter of the Great Work. In truth, it is that matter already in a processed condition, i.e. reduced to its "original state".

A simple example of this would be, is Our Mercury the Prima Materia or the material that it evolves from, or even the material prior to that ?

Our Mercury is the Prima Materia, and yet (from another view) it is the Universal Solvent or Alkahest.

Yes quite true, but most students do not understand that to extract a Particular Quintessence from the plant realm the Universal Mercury is required, deeming this operation an Alchemic process.

Ideally you would be using the Universal Mercury, of course; however, in lieu of that, one of its lesser analogues can be employed - for instance alcohol (carrier of mercury in the vegetable realm), as so commonly done in spagyrics.

Frankly, I find that (rather modern) distinction which considers anything done without Our Mercury not to be alchemical a bit presumptuous.

Some time back I was given the OK from my Mentor to be considerably more outspoken than in the past, in the hope that it may cause a shift in some of the members point of view in relation to the Work.

Well, unlike you, I don't have any alchemical mentor (except for the sages of the ages that continue to give me guidance - and my own inner self, of course).

"And I won't ask permission, not from teachers or from kings..." (Thompson Twins, The Gap)

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Yes Michael, this is very good advise ... search for the truth and then prove it in the lab.
Not sure if Nietzsche was into prayer but I know that it also helps.

I would agree that requesting Divine guidance is a good idea (there's another not totally unintended pun in this).

I have mentioned this before that there are many, many paths to Our Mercury but only a very few paths to the Stone.

"the great variety found in the classical texts" are just a multitude of ways of saying the same thing. There is a single thread that is camouflaged in many different ways.

I would agree that there are common patterns underlying those - on the surface - different ways. Even though in practice, the details of the process may in fact differ from one practioner to the other.

The only comment I would add here is that after all the "cleansing" is completed there are no salts remaining ... we would not want a salt precipitate.

Agreed.

There is a method of making so-called Ormus using salt sea and lye as agents, but they are not supposed to remain in the finished product. And BTW, I doubt that the result will be actual monatomic gold. (It may have some beneficial effects nonetheless.)

Why do you think that "aqua regia" is the Royal Water that is requisite to Our Work ?

"Aqua regia" is simply used for producing chloroauric acid, this being the most common way to arrive at gold in the form of nano matter.
 

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Hi Michael

Why, what's wrong with the Franciscan friar?
I don't think he had a very good communication with the "All Knowing".

And as it happens, 'Doctor Mirabilis' Roger Bacon had a grand vision of the nature and potential of Our Art that truly resonates with me.
Rather than 'Doctor Mirabilis' you may be better of with "Sal Mirabilis". :D

There seems to be a common misunderstanding that the Prima Materia would be identically the starting matter of the Great Work. In truth, it is that matter already in a processed condition, i.e. reduced to its "original state".

Our Mercury is the Prima Materia, and yet (from another view) it is the Universal Solvent or Alkahest.
And "from another view" do you think that the Prima Materia could also be the Primum Ens, Quintessence ?

Some Alchemists advise that the "Central Salt" has a connection with the Divine Light/Energy and via this, can give us directly the Red Salt we search for.

From Black
Yes quite true, but most students do not understand that to extract a Particular Quintessence from the plant realm the Universal Mercury is required, deeming this operation an Alchemic process.

Ideally you would be using the Universal Mercury, of course;
however, in lieu of that, one of its lesser analogues can be employed - for instance alcohol (carrier of mercury in the vegetable realm), as so commonly done in spagyrics.
I don't believe there are any "lesser analogues" to Our Universal Mercury.

Why do you think that Alcohol (Ethanol) is the Mercury of the vegetable realm ?

Note the Alchemic term ...... Our "Universal" Mercury.

Another important point is that Alcohol (Ethanol) cannot be a transport vehicle for Our Universal Mercury.

Without the use of Our Universal Mercury, it is impossible to extract a Quintessence (Universal or Particular) from any of the Three realms.

Have you considered that an extraction of a plant with Alcohol (Ethanol), then with the addition of it's salts can be more toxic to the human body than it is medicinal.

Some Alchemists view this "Spagyric Process" as only a teaching analogy.

Frankly, I find that (rather modern) distinction which considers anything done without Our Mercury not to be alchemical a bit presumptuous.

I do hope that in due course your opinion on this will change.

I would be interested in hearing your definition of an Alchemic Process and the result of such a Process.

Well, unlike you, I don't have any alchemical mentor (except for the sages of the ages that continue to give me guidance - and my own inner self, of course).
We all have the same "Alchemical Mentor" and if students of this Great Work applied themselves to developing a clear communication with this said Mentor, I do believe they may see some amazing results.

There is a method of making so-called Ormus using salt sea and lye as agents, but they are not supposed to remain in the finished product. And BTW, I doubt that the result will be actual monatomic gold. (It may have some beneficial effects nonetheless.)
I totally agree about not finding any gold, there can be no metallic transmutation without an Alchemic Process.
I will ask my Mentor if there are any "beneficial effects".

"Aqua regia" is simply used for producing chloroauric acid, this being the most common way to arrive at gold in the form of nano matter.
How do you think this relates to Alchemy :confused:
 

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Hi Michael

I don't think he had a very good communication with the "All Knowing".

I am pretty sure the ecclesiastics that imprisoned the poor friar during most of his later life would have agreed to that.

Actually, you should like him, though, since he was one of few European Medieval alchemists who did not subscribe to the view that the Great Work must be based on metals necessarily.

BTW, our discussion here stands in a long tradition of debate between those who support the "metallist" approach and those who don't. For more on that, see William R. Newman's Gehennical Fire.

And "from another view" do you think that the Prima Materia could also be the Primum Ens, Quintessence ?

"Quintessence" is synonymous to "Prima Materia" in certain contexts.

Some Alchemists advise that the "Central Salt" has a connection with the Divine Light/Energy and via this, can give us directly the Red Salt we search for.

Do you (or does any other reader of this thread) happen to know who has coined the term "Central Salt"?

I don't believe there are any "lesser analogues" to Our Universal Mercury.

The Hermetic cosmos is replete with analogies!

Even Van Helmont recommends that, in absence of the Alkahest, a preparation of potash (potassium carbonate) should be used.

Why do you think that Alcohol (Ethanol) is the Mercury of the vegetable realm ?

I go with Paracelsian medicine here which equates a plant's
  • Sulphur with the essential oils resulting from distillation
  • Mercury with the alcohol received by fermentation
  • Salt with the mineral salts gained from calcination

Note the Alchemic term ...... Our "Universal" Mercury.

Another important point is that Alcohol (Ethanol) cannot be a transport vehicle for Our Universal Mercury.

The Hermetic cosmos is also replete with subdivisions!

With a nod to Mercury's universal nature, some have emphasized that in spagyrics, ethanol in general can be substituted for a given herb's proper alcohol, though.

Without the use of Our Universal Mercury, it is impossible to extract a Quintessence (Universal or Particular) from any of the Three realms.

I beg to differ.

Have you considered that an extraction of a plant with Alcohol (Ethanol), then with the addition of it's salts can be more toxic to the human body than it is medicinal.

A properly prepared spagyric remedy does not contain anything toxic.

Some Alchemists view this "Spagyric Process" as only a teaching analogy.

I can tell you from many years of personal experience with spagyrics that they are highly effective in restoring health. It is no exaggeration to say that a spagyric remedy once even saved my life.

Seeing what spagyrics can do convinced me to look into alchemy's purported "higher arcana" in the first place.

I do hope that in due course your opinion on this will change.

Don't hold your breath! :D

I would be interested in hearing your definition of an Alchemic Process and the result of such a Process.

An alchemical process liberates a particular matter from some of its material boundaries, thus freeing its potential and raising its frequency towards the realm of the Spirit.

We all have the same "Alchemical Mentor" and if students of this Great Work applied themselves to developing a clear communication with this said Mentor, I do believe they may see some amazing results.

Is the Mentor you often mention an actual (physical) person or a different kind of entity?

How do you think this relates to Alchemy :confused:

Alchemy uses physical operations for elevating a substance to a state in which it more freely resonates with Spirit. The production of nano matter is one of those procedures - at least potentially.
 

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How do we test for the Central Salt?
 

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Hey Mr. Mixer, great to see you are still thinking about the Work. :D
You haven't posted any results of your last lab work, I think it was the financially expensive experiment ?

How do we test for the Central Salt?
I was hoping that some of our more advanced members may assist you with this question, but I will comment that the Central Salt has a very specific crystalline structure that is hinted at in a few of the old masters written works.