. The Celestial Agriculture

[Hortplantwizard]

I found this too and I think it pertains to the discussion...

Operation of the Sprengel pump

Falling mercury drops compress the air to atmospheric pressure which is released when the stream reaches a container at the bottom of the tube. As the pressure drops, the cushioning effect of trapped air between the droplets diminishes, so a hammering or knocking sound can be heard, accompanied by flashes of LIGHT within the evacuated vessel.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprengel_pump

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_pump

I think its interesting too that here mercury creates light with a vacuum, which maybe the reason for the metaphor of philosophic mercury, hello, hello, hello, is anybody in here, lol...

Also does anyone know how to achieve this vacuum?
What pressure inhg would you need?
Could you use a hand pump?
what type of borosilicate glass could be used?
what is the glass max vacuum before implosion?
and so on...

I only ask because I have trouble finding any specs on this subject...

Possibly a vacuum filtering flask that has the vac-line opening on itself with a silicone stopper and a hand pump may work, I mean, right???

 

[Argento Vivo]

Hi wonderful people,

Oh my NTR!!! This was a long read to come to the end...

After all this much, i can't say anything on my side. But i would like to contribute to the informations found around on this topic, which can maybe bring more interesting thoughts.

As a starter, i'd like to begin with Trithemius Abbot of spohnheim, he used to write in several differente places about a particular kind of fire, which appears to be made of Abastam [Johannes adds that : (this is how a certain author calls it) -note: the text "guldener kleinod" where it is found is probably older than 1700].
(text is clavis artis of zoroaster, which actually gives the definition of abastam).

In other places he speaks of it also. But in the above cited text he shows also an apparatus to prepare this salt, which simply consists of some kind of barrique with an exit on the lower side for liquids.

This appeared interesting to me when i moved on reading mister bacstrom's printed compilation of studies, and saw this:

Now if this is a nice coincidence, check what johan Tolde shows us:

What they all have in common should be this:

and this:

Interesting no?

I would compare all this methods, which vary little from each other, to the GCH quoted by Rogerc somewhere upon this Thread.

Also this Siddha recipe i found, and posted in another Thread, namely this one: Indian alchemy vid makes use of similar substance, which is a much simpler form, but it has something to it.

I like this correspondences, for example the method that indians use to render philosophical KNO3 or NH4Cl to the work which consists of crystallise them in boiled urine.

Also of great meaning, which actually nobody showed to have noticed/shared, is the name of the Pyhton:

Πύθων was a dragon/snake son of Goddess Gea, born or rather produced from the soil after the Great Flood. He was the guardian of Delfi Oracle, and died after an epic battle against Apollo, who took the oracle and gave the priestess the name "Pythia" or Pythonesse.

I thought this mythological insight was curious, since the python was named few times in this Thread.

Thank you very much for reading

 

[Argento Vivo]

I would add a few more things, which are more Agricultural, but this is the Celestial Agriculture Thread, so it's in-topic...

Generally calcium or limestone is beneficial for the successful growing of many crops, although it is not exactly known why. An overuse of limestone rock may oxidise organic matter or the humus, with temporary increase of fertility, but with loss of humus lately.

And from Steiner:

The calcium force in the earth comes from the planets closer to the Sun - the Moon, Mercury and Venus - while Mars, Jupiter, Saturn bring in the influences to silica

Let's look at the shell formation of an egg. In 1872 a French scientist, Louis Kervran, suggested that the calcium content of a chicken egg was directly connected not to the calcium in the hen's diet, but rather to the hen's ability to combine potassium and hydrogen in its food to form the calcium needed for the shell. This calcium-forming activity can be described as a calcium process.

The shell formation of molluscs is a similar process. Sea water does not appear to contain sufficient calcium for the shells: its formation is dependent on a calcium process from the cosmos, working through water.

Now Kervran wrote a few interesting books ideed. Worth reading. The cited above is about biological transmutations.

He grew up in an area with a totally calcium-free soil, being mostly silica, so this appears to be curious. I dont remember exactly what the hens were feed on, but im sure on internet you can find.

Where limestone is present in the soil, earthworm activity increases; there is a limestone process within the gut of the earthworm. The nodulation on all legume roots also increases limestone presence, as do various bacterias.

Now again from Steiner, an interesting quote:

What is collected down below from the cosmos (via the silica) must always be able to stream upward, and the presence of clay in the soil makes this possible.

Substances like clay support the upward flow of the effects of the cosmic entities in the ground.

All the Forces and fine homeopathic substances produced by means of Water and Air above the ground are drawn down by the soil's greater or lesser content of Lime.

It is the Lime in the soil and the presence of calcareous substances in homeopathic doses just above the soil's surface that serve to draw this Terrestrial Factor into the ground.

Clay is the mediator between the silica and Lime.

Early work in Europe included putting a plug of clay in the end of the horns (preparations 500, 501) before burying. The explanation of Steiner could make sense on this.

 

[Jahara]

Excelent thread, I've read it all of it, a lot of insights, it's a pity rogerc is not anymore here I would like to have some conversation with him.

I still need to read the SM thread as some member recommended to me, but I have a question, perhaps this belong here.

Have someone heard about a path made by Moses in the desert using only linen cloth to catch SM? I've found just a little about linen here in the forum...

 

[Andro]

Logistical Note

rogerc is not anymore here

Leo Retilus is here. Same person.

 

[Jahara]

Leo Retilus is here. Same person.

Oh well, thank you Andro, I had some suspect he was the same person.

 

[Vyacheslav]

I keep coming back to this topic. And several related to him. The question that drives me crazy is the mechanism of the magnet and the attraction of SM. This is a fundamental question for me, which I am most eager to get an answer to. In what incomprehensible way does marl or saltpeter attract SM? What is this mechanism?..And what is SM first of all? I have done a lot of research in the field of electricity, ether, dark matter and alternative views on the physics of matter. But the question remains unanswered. In the end, my picture of the world boils down to the fact that energy forms physical matter, compacting until it acquires mass. Perhaps the mechanism of attracting SM is related to a change in the electric potential (assuming that electricity is a flow of directed ether/energy)...However, that would be too easy. Because alcohol or urea or distilled water is dielectric and does not react to electricity...
In the creation of the world, the Spirit of God hovered over the water. And I've always imagined lightning bursts in the night sky, above the surface of the proto-ocean.
I keep coming back to thoughts about lightning and electricity. And I want to believe that this is the key to understanding SM and heavenly farming. After all, the ionosphere is simply saturated with electricity, just like living cells.

 

[Kiorionis]

And what is SM first of all?

Discussion on what SM is first of all can be found in the beginning pages of this thread: Spiritus Mundi

 

[Michael Sternbach]

I keep coming back to this topic. And several related to him. The question that drives me crazy is the mechanism of the magnet and the attraction of SM. This is a fundamental question for me, which I am most eager to get an answer to. In what incomprehensible way does marl or saltpeter attract SM? What is this mechanism?..And what is SM first of all? I have done a lot of research in the field of electricity, ether, dark matter and alternative views on the physics of matter. But the question remains unanswered. In the end, my picture of the world boils down to the fact that energy forms physical matter, compacting until it acquires mass. Perhaps the mechanism of attracting SM is related to a change in the electric potential (assuming that electricity is a flow of directed ether/energy)...However, that would be too easy. Because alcohol or urea or distilled water is dielectric and does not react to electricity...
In the creation of the world, the Spirit of God hovered over the water. And I've always imagined lightning bursts in the night sky, above the surface of the proto-ocean.
I keep coming back to thoughts about lightning and electricity. And I want to believe that this is the key to understanding SM and heavenly farming. After all, the ionosphere is simply saturated with electricity, just like living cells.

The universal field of the Spiritus Mundi is composed not of the kind of energy studied by most contemporary physicists, but by a more subtle kind of 'energy' which indeed is the origin of the former.

See Tom Bearden's writings for a fairly sophisticated conceptual outlook on how those various kinds of forces may be interlinked with each other.

 

[LeoRetilus]

I keep coming back to this topic. And several related to him. The question that drives me crazy is the mechanism of the magnet and the attraction of SM. This is a fundamental question for me, which I am most eager to get an answer to. In what incomprehensible way does marl or saltpeter attract SM? What is this mechanism?..And what is SM first of all? I have done a lot of research in the field of electricity, ether, dark matter and alternative views on the physics of matter. But the question remains unanswered. In the end, my picture of the world boils down to the fact that energy forms physical matter, compacting until it acquires mass. Perhaps the mechanism of attracting SM is related to a change in the electric potential (assuming that electricity is a flow of directed ether/energy)...However, that would be too easy. Because alcohol or urea or distilled water is dielectric and does not react to electricity...
In the creation of the world, the Spirit of God hovered over the water. And I've always imagined lightning bursts in the night sky, above the surface of the proto-ocean.
I keep coming back to thoughts about lightning and electricity. And I want to believe that this is the key to understanding SM and heavenly farming. After all, the ionosphere is simply saturated with electricity, just like living cells.

Start to ask a different question and start to get a different answer....not matter or/vs energy...but what is life? Animation? Intellect? Chi/prana... structured breathing with thought!! Gathered/concentration/focused and directed.

 

[Vyacheslav]

So to rehash we get

1.) A cotton/ hair like salt that form above the other two...this salt is of a middle nature...neither completely volatile nor completely fixed...this is the philosophic mercury, this is the target salt, the one we use for the alchemy, it does not come ready to pour out of a box/bag, we cannot purchase some.

2.) A volatile salt of niter like crystallization/ formation..the sources say to take them to the fire(vulcan) and they will tell us there names....and surely this one is niter...so niter must have been present from the beginning in some form.

3) An fixed alkaline salt, that must have also been present from the beginning

Greetings, colleagues. I've been thinking a lot, but I don't understand...This thought literally keeps me awake... Spiritus descends with the rain and fertilizes the earth. But at the same time it does without alkaline salt. I.e. rain already contains spiritus. It is logical that its partial fixation is already taking place in the atmosphere...but there is no alkaline salt. I have read studies that real rain is more effective than artificial irrigation. So the rain already contains a fraction of spiritus (obviously in weakly fixed nitrogen compounds)...Then what role does alkaline salt play and is it needed?

 

[ghetto alchemist]

Vyacheslav, IMO everything you said is basically correct.
Yes HIM is in rainwater, but in different concentrations at different times according to variables such as moon phase, season, geographical location, etc.
But even so, IMO using rainwater wouldn’t generally be the way to go since there’s almost always other better choices available to the artist.

Vyacheslav:
So the rain already contains a fraction of spiritus (obviously in weakly fixed nitrogen compounds)...Then what role does alkaline salt play and is it needed?

IMO that’s exactly correct...rain water is indeed a bit weak.
IMO using alkaline salt is simply one of those better choices.
IMO, no it’s not “needed”, there’s other salts (such as acetate), but some properties of nitre makes it a very good choice.
As for “what role” it plays...

IMO saltpeter (which has been pre-vivified) acts a carrier of HIM and releases concentrated HIM in gaseous form directly to molten metal in the dry path.

And in the wet path, you use pre-loaded saltpeter to imbibe a solvent (such as ether), which is then used to load up the white powder form of a metal with HIM turning it into transmutation powder.

 

[LeoRetilus]

I keep coming back to this topic. And several related to him. The question that drives me crazy is the mechanism of the magnet and the attraction of SM. This is a fundamental question for me, which I am most eager to get an answer to. In what incomprehensible way does marl or saltpeter attract SM? What is this mechanism?..And what is SM first of all? I have done a lot of research in the field of electricity, ether, dark matter and alternative views on the physics of matter. But the question remains unanswered. In the end, my picture of the world boils down to the fact that energy forms physical matter, compacting until it acquires mass. Perhaps the mechanism of attracting SM is related to a change in the electric potential (assuming that electricity is a flow of directed ether/energy)...However, that would be too easy. Because alcohol or urea or distilled water is dielectric and does not react to electricity...
In the creation of the world, the Spirit of God hovered over the water. And I've always imagined lightning bursts in the night sky, above the surface of the proto-ocean.
I keep coming back to thoughts about lightning and electricity. And I want to believe that this is the key to understanding SM and heavenly farming. After all, the ionosphere is simply saturated with electricity, just like living cells.

The support for the physics and quantum mechanics upon physical matters does not have the same support as life!! Life moves between living and dead and everything in between and it is here that you find the magnet of the wise. Life multiplies itself, therefore it has the same basis as the stone of the wise does it is the life force but if you read ich it is the entire wheel from life birth adolescence maturity reaching the age of reproduction which is where multiplication happens and then finally death but death is not the end these that matters going to the ground where the life force is recycled back into the Earth in the air and becomes the basis for a new life it is here during this decomposition in nature that bacteria breaks down the living matters and fix niter from the air and create the salt peter of the wise, salts simply form as an envelope for the life force itself remember that all life began in the salt ocean so the bases for the support of all life is salts! Is this here with the salts but give life to the Three kingdoms including the metallic keep in mind here the the transition state medals unlike the rest of the periodic table of elements are living or shall we say they were living when they grew in the belly of the Earth once they're reduced into their metallic state they appear has other metallic elements but they are not they're living. It is why when we get the salts of the three layers all of the complexity of life frk. The volatile on top, sublimation ,to the most fixed salts that lie at the bottom which are more alkalai. Here the mechanism of the spiritual the source of life, upon the physical is to move it to an ore spiritual state away from the physical. I believe in the end the only mater that will eventually exist when the spiritual and the physical fully meld the spiritual will become a hybrid of the physical but minus the impurity and the crassness because in the end the only thing that will exist that's physical is gold perfected gold and the beans will have hybrid nature between physical and spiritual as in the Christ.

 

[Triune One]

Saltpeter is salt of/from the rock, and the rock is limestone.
One can build a limestone grotto as shown previously to capture nitre,

I built a limestone grotto.
I just felt drawn to do it.
As with just about every single building project I've ever undertaken, this one
took way longer, required way more effort, and time, and money than I could ever have imagined. Lol...
but it was Worth it!
The grotto adds a beauty to the land and the energy that it has begun accumulating is beyond what I could have hoped for.
I just finished last week and already, when I sit in it, I can really feel a powerful lifeforce in it. It brings me quickly to "the threshold."
I had some people over this weekend and they all felt a strong energy in their heart chakra. A nice place to charge with astral spirit.

Check out all the limestone rocks that are dug up in the beginning.
I used regular steel mesh. 3/8" rebar that I bent for the initial structure.
Then I used limestone cement mixed with crushed limestone rock, coral, marble, and seashells, along with crushed fire bricks that had been exposed to fire. For the water, I used mother lixivium of saltpeter, and fermented urine and spring water from a limestone rich source. Yes, it stank, but only until the concrete dried. (any guesses which book I was inspired by?) I also added silica quartz sand and magnetite to the concrete mix.

The shape of the design was my inspiration after having done a lot of research into grottos and how they were made around the world.
I really had no idea if this was going to work or do anything whatsoever. I let that go and figured, even if it does nothing philosophically, at least it'll add beauty to my land, which most people that write about grottos nowadays think was the purpose of the grotto during the renaissance and other times.

Yesterday, I was sitting in there with my daughter and we were enjoying the energies and then she asked me "hey, what's that?"
I looked closely to where she was pointing and was blown away as I said efflorescent salts!!!!
Upon closer thought, I do not think these manifested or condensed from the north "astral" spirit, but rather are a result of the water that is soaking into the grotto from the sides where it is closest to the wet earth after it rains. Still cool though.
the "our saltpeter" lixivium is efflorescing through the walls. I love it.
I will allow a little more to build and will collect it and see if it gives anything worth mentioning.

My thread here - https://alchemyforums.com/index.php?threads/astral-spirit-symbol.7314/
was the reason behind why I was seeking a symbol for the astral spirit and it was for this grotto.
I was trying to think of a good symbol to put on the grotto to invite the astral spirit.
Instead, I settled for one of my favorite "pairs" in alchemy. See pics below.

Note: This post was by Solomon Levi but I gotta give it up to @LeoRetilus /RogerC as this thread was truly his brain child, and the amount of alchemical gravy he drops in this thread is legendary.




all these rocks are limestone












Finished grotto with my favorite pair as the symbols.



efflorescent "our saltpeter" salts.

If anyone ever reads this entire thread again and gets to this point, I can say, there is something about the grotto.

p.s. I mixed concrete 15 times to finish this grotto.
p.p.s. by "our saltpeter" I mean calcium-nitrate.

 

[LeoRetilus]

I built a limestone grotto.
I just felt drawn to do it.
As with just about every single building project I've ever undertaken, this one
took way longer, required way more effort, and time, and money than I could ever have imagined. Lol...
but it was Worth it!
The grotto adds a beauty to the land and the energy that it has begun accumulating is beyond what I could have hoped for.
I just finished last week and already, when I sit in it, I can really feel a powerful lifeforce in it. It brings me quickly to "the threshold."
I had some people over this weekend and they all felt a strong energy in their heart chakra. A nice place to charge with astral spirit.

Check out all the limestone rocks that are dug up in the beginning.
I used regular steel mesh. 3/8" rebar that I bent for the initial structure.
Then I used limestone cement mixed with crushed limestone rock, coral, marble, and seashells, along with crushed fire bricks that had been exposed to fire. For the water, I used mother lixivium of saltpeter, and fermented urine and spring water from a limestone rich source. Yes, it stank, but only until the concrete dried. (any guesses which book I was inspired by?) I also added silica quartz sand and magnetite to the concrete mix.

The shape of the design was my inspiration after having done a lot of research into grottos and how they were made around the world.
I really had no idea if this was going to work or do anything whatsoever. I let that go and figured, even if it does nothing philosophically, at least it'll add beauty to my land, which most people that write about grottos nowadays think was the purpose of the grotto during the renaissance and other times.

Yesterday, I was sitting in there with my daughter and we were enjoying the energies and then she asked me "hey, what's that?"
I looked closely to where she was pointing and was blown away as I said efflorescent salts!!!!
Upon closer thought, I do not think these manifested or condensed from the north "astral" spirit, but rather are a result of the water that is soaking into the grotto from the sides where it is closest to the wet earth after it rains. Still cool though.
the "our saltpeter" lixivium is efflorescing through the walls. I love it.
I will allow a little more to build and will collect it and see if it gives anything worth mentioning.

My thread here - https://alchemyforums.com/index.php?threads/astral-spirit-symbol.7314/
was the reason behind why I was seeking a symbol for the astral spirit and it was for this grotto.
I was trying to think of a good symbol to put on the grotto to invite the astral spirit.
Instead, I settled for one of my favorite "pairs" in alchemy. See pics below.

Note: This post was by Solomon Levi but I gotta give it up to @LeoRetilus /RogerC as this thread was truly his brain child, and the amount of alchemical gravy he drops in this thread is legendary.


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Finished grotto with my favorite pair as the symbols.

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efflorescent "our saltpeter" salts.

If anyone ever reads this entire thread again and gets to this point, I can say, there is something about the grotto.

p.s. I mixed concrete 15 times to finish this grotto.
p.p.s. by "our saltpeter" I mean calcium-nitrate.

This is really nice and a great effort! I trust the opening is pointed north?

I would only add that my research on this thread was kinda about the etymology of the mythology of a natural grotto or nymphaeum, Cyliani speaks of the Celestial Nymph! A natural grotto is an limestone formation that is found near a sea line and a "cave" is naturally hollowed out by the tidal action and after much time and the tonic plate movement the ground level rises and sea line moves maybe hundreds of miles of millions of years leaving the grotto landlocked which then became the source of a healing spring, such as Fulcanelli says were found throughout Europe and venerated by the Green people, the druids. When Catholicism later arrives much like across the globe, any sacred healing sites with sacred healing waters or soils were appropriated by the Spanish and the Catholic Church, the pagan legends and stories replaced with lies of Christianity and therefore appropriated and were the site upon which the gothic cathedrals were built as he expositions in Mysteries of The Cathedrals.

Alchemy predates and proofs all religions to be false and contrived! What happens here philosophically is that we have a two fold action... as above so below in that the ocean with a fixed alkaline salt embedded itself in the floor of the grotto and later after the elevation changes as I state in this thread... limestone attracts spiritus mundi which is volatile and is acidic so here we have the tenants of our royal chemistry the alkaline fixed sea salt fixes the volatile nitric acidum and the later volatilizes the fixed! Hence the salamander and remora. Or the salt of the grotto. As above so below, the winged serpents collided with the creepy crawling serpent, aerial powers vs and or untied with earthy galactic currents into a medium substance. Or heaven united with earth to bring forth the very essence of life, it is indeed life that organized matter as in your very body and all living things and we say in our art that not only plants and animals have a life but so do certain metals, represented in alchemy and astrology as the planetary metals or transition state metals! That also experience a sort of life and grow with these basic philosophical tenants in the belly of the earth. But none more so than in the mine of man, The True Philosophical Mine of Saturn.

It was here that alchemy was lost to the proto chemists, it was the fool Glauber who mixed common clay with salt and isolated sulfuric acid. He although like all the proto chemists missed the true learning of the Wise, that we hide "our" matters which are philosophical and spiritually enveloped and impregnated salts under veiled allegory and the phonetic Cabala, the Green Language, the Language of The Birds, a language of permutation and assonance!

 

[Triune One]

This is really nice and a great effort! I trust the opening is pointed north?

yessir.

I would only add that my research on this thread was kinda about the etymology of the mythology of a natural grotto or nyphaeum, Cyliani speaks of the Celestial Nymph! A natural grotto is an limestone formation that is found near a sea line and a "cave" is naturally hollowed out by the tidal action and after much time and the tonic plate movement the ground level rises and sea line moves maybe hundreds of miles of millions of years leaving the grotto landlocked which then became the source of a healing spring, such as Fulcanelli days were found throughout Europe and venerated by the Green people, the druids. When Catholicism later arrives much like across the globe any sacred healing sites with sacred healing waters or soils, were appropriated by the Spanish and the Catholic Church the pagan legends and stories replaced with lies of Christianity and therefore appropriated and were the site upon which the gothic cathedrals were built as he expositions in Mysteries of The Cathedrals. Alchemy predates and proofs all religions to be false and contrived! What happens here philosophically is that we have a two fold action...as above so below in that the ocean with a fixed alkaline salt embedded itself in the floor of the grotto and later after the elevation changes as I state in this thread.... limestone attracts spiritus mundi which is volatile and is acidic so here we have the tennants of our royal chemistry the alkaline fixed sea salt fixes the volatile nitric acidum and the later volatilizes the fixed!

That's cool. I totally understood that my grotto might just be symbolic on some level of what you're referring to. I wasn't sure it was going to do anything. But... it really does feel powerful itself. it is accumulating a energy that is powerful and healing.
Also, the limestone of my cave acts as the fixed alkaline salt. the sea salt is not needed, per se, though having the water element there is an added bonus.

 

[LeoRetilus]

yessir.



That's cool. I totally understood that my grotto might just be symbolic on some level of what you're referring to. I wasn't sure it was going to do anything. But... it really does feel powerful itself. it is accumulating a energy that is powerful and healing.
Also, the limestone of my cave acts as the fixed alkaline salt. the sea salt is not needed, per se, though having the water element there is an added bonus.

Still powerful! I'm only commenting on the full symbolism and implications, what you still have there is parraled in the Labors of Hercules, in the cleaning of the Aegean Stables, especially if you piss and shit on the walls!

 

[Triune One]

Still powerful! I'm only commenting on the full symbolism and implications, what you still have there is parraled in the Labors of Hercules, in the cleaning of the Aegean Stables, especially if you piss and shit on the walls!

A veritable stable then.

 

[Triune One]

Still powerful! I'm only commenting on the full symbolism and implications, what you still have there is parraled in the Labors of Hercules, in the cleaning of the Aegean Stables, especially if you piss and shit on the walls!

I wanted to know your thoughts on the use of vulgar fire. It attracts the SM.
There are pictures of "grottos" / "Caves" with fires burning inside of them.
Do you have any thoughts on the implementation of this?


This is not exactly a grotto, but I "got" a message from this picture to light
some sort of fire inside the grotto.
not big like that, of course. Cyliani and others suggest the vulgar fire does attract SM...
like through the attraction of the "air" to it.
Wondering your thoughts on this.

 

[Andro]

lies of Christianity

Alchemy predates and proofs all religions to be false and contrived!

Hi @Leo

Would you be willing to elaborate what you consider to be the lies of Christianity and the falsehood of all religions? (even if this means pushing some "buttons" )

But none more so than in the mine of man, The True Philosophical Mine of Saturn.

Says Compass of the Wise:

 

[elixirmixer]

I built a limestone grotto.
I just felt drawn to do it.
As with just about every single building project I've ever undertaken, this one
took way longer, required way more effort, and time, and money than I could ever have imagined. Lol...
but it was Worth it!
The grotto adds a beauty to the land and the energy that it has begun accumulating is beyond what I could have hoped for.
I just finished last week and already, when I sit in it, I can really feel a powerful lifeforce in it. It brings me quickly to "the threshold."
I had some people over this weekend and they all felt a strong energy in their heart chakra. A nice place to charge with astral spirit.

Check out all the limestone rocks that are dug up in the beginning.
I used regular steel mesh. 3/8" rebar that I bent for the initial structure.
Then I used limestone cement mixed with crushed limestone rock, coral, marble, and seashells, along with crushed fire bricks that had been exposed to fire. For the water, I used mother lixivium of saltpeter, and fermented urine and spring water from a limestone rich source. Yes, it stank, but only until the concrete dried. (any guesses which book I was inspired by?) I also added silica quartz sand and magnetite to the concrete mix.

The shape of the design was my inspiration after having done a lot of research into grottos and how they were made around the world.
I really had no idea if this was going to work or do anything whatsoever. I let that go and figured, even if it does nothing philosophically, at least it'll add beauty to my land, which most people that write about grottos nowadays think was the purpose of the grotto during the renaissance and other times.

Yesterday, I was sitting in there with my daughter and we were enjoying the energies and then she asked me "hey, what's that?"
I looked closely to where she was pointing and was blown away as I said efflorescent salts!!!!
Upon closer thought, I do not think these manifested or condensed from the north "astral" spirit, but rather are a result of the water that is soaking into the grotto from the sides where it is closest to the wet earth after it rains. Still cool though.
the "our saltpeter" lixivium is efflorescing through the walls. I love it.
I will allow a little more to build and will collect it and see if it gives anything worth mentioning.

My thread here - https://alchemyforums.com/index.php?threads/astral-spirit-symbol.7314/
was the reason behind why I was seeking a symbol for the astral spirit and it was for this grotto.
I was trying to think of a good symbol to put on the grotto to invite the astral spirit.
Instead, I settled for one of my favorite "pairs" in alchemy. See pics below.

Note: This post was by Solomon Levi but I gotta give it up to @LeoRetilus /RogerC as this thread was truly his brain child, and the amount of alchemical gravy he drops in this thread is legendary.


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Finished grotto with my favorite pair as the symbols.

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efflorescent "our saltpeter" salts.

If anyone ever reads this entire thread again and gets to this point, I can say, there is something about the grotto.

p.s. I mixed concrete 15 times to finish this grotto.
p.p.s. by "our saltpeter" I mean calcium-nitrate.

W... T.... Actuall. F.

This is the most bad ass thing I've ever seen on the forum.
Congrats dude you broke the AF world record for most epic shit ever.

Amazing.

 

[elixirmixer]

Alchemy predates and proofs all religions to be false and contrived!

Being a bit of a self proclaimed expert in the field, id like to say....

You are 100% correct.

Exoteric (public) religion is just muggle BS.

Hermetical Alchemy 4daWIN

 

[Triune One]

W... T.... Actuall. F.

This is the most bad ass thing I've ever seen on the forum.
Congrats dude you broke the AF world record for most epic shit ever.

Amazing.

Thank you EM.
Your words made me laugh with joy.
I appreciate what you said very much.

 

[LeoRetilus]

A veritable stable then.

Hence it is easy to understand to use of this invisible and mysterious metallic light, and the care with which we must seek to know it and to distinguish it by its specific, essential, and occult qualities. Salamander, in Latin salamandra, comes from sal, salt, and mandra, which means stable and also rock hollow, solitude, hermitage. Salamandra then is the name of the salt of the stable, salt of the rock, or solitary slat. In the Greek language this word takes another meaning, revealing the action that provokes: the Greek word [***-125-1] (Salamandra) appears formed from [***-125-2] (Sala) meaning agitation, perturbation, used probably for [***-125-3] (salos) or [***-125-4] (zale), agitated water, tempest, fluctuation, and from [***-125-5] (mandra) which has the same meaning as in Latin. From these etymologies we can draw the conclusion that the salt, spirit or fire takes birth in a stable, a rock hollow, a grotto... That is enough. Lying on the straw of his manger in the grotto of Bethlehem, is Jesus not the new sun bringing light to the world? Is he not God himself in his carnal and perishable shell? Who the has said: "I am the Spirit and I am the Life; and I have come to set fire unto things?". This spiritual fire, given form and materialized in salt, is the hidden sulphur, since during its operation it is never made manifest or perceptible to our eyes. And yet this sulphur, as invisible as it may be, is not an ingenious abstraction or a doctrine stratagem. We know how to isolate it, how to extract it from the body that conceals it, by an occult means and in the appearance of a dry powder ~Fulcanelli -Dwellings

 

[LeoRetilus]

I wanted to know your thoughts on the use of vulgar fire. It attracts the SM.
There are pictures of "grottos" / "Caves" with fires burning inside of them.
Do you have any thoughts on the implementation of this?

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This is not exactly a grotto, but I "got" a message from this picture to light
some sort of fire inside the grotto.
not big like that, of course. Cyliani and others suggest the vulgar fire does attract SM...
like through the attraction of the "air" to it.
Wondering your thoughts on this.

The natural fire my friend is the fire within which lights our own mantles, RER, RER Spero Sperabo! "As long as I breathe , I hope" and as ICH says, "there fore I do indeed live according to Gods will!" Look at the cover of the Mutus Liber...they arent praying!
Ask yourself why most of the spiritual religions entail a type of structured breathing, as I intimated on another thread, Tai Chi breathing through the nose into the Dan Tien......what"s in the gut? Look closely at the plates from Mutus Liber and see the Privy Seal of Secrets, The True Mine of Saturn and find the clay of the wise!

As for your pictrure there I believe it is from Atlanta Fugiens and it entails the dry path after the rebis is untied, it is put into a clay egg..... And so matter destroyed, mortified, then recomposed into a new body, thanks to the secret fire which is aroused by the one of the furnace, gradually raises itself with the help of multiplications, up to the perfection of the pure fire, veiled under the figure of the immortal Phoenix: sic itur ad astra (thus is one immortalized). Similarly, the workman, faithful servant of nature, acquires with the knowledge of the sublime, the high title of knight, the esteem of his peers, acknowledgement by his brothers, and the honor, which is more enviable than all worldly glory, to be among Elias’ disciples. Panel 4 --- Closed by its narrow lid, with a fat albeit split belly, a common clay pot fills with its plebian and cracked majesty the surface of this panel. Its inscription states that the vase of which we see the image, must open by itself and manifest by its destruction the completion of that which it holds: .INTVS.SOLA.FIENT.MANIFESTA.RVINA. Only the inside makes the ruin manifest.

God never wrote a book, he simply had one commandment, statement. That as long as your draw breathe you live, so live! Everything else that is permutation of that, is a construct of the human imagination and the basis once again for some contrived religion.