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. The Celestial Agriculture

Hortplantwizard

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I found this too and I think it pertains to the discussion...

Operation of the Sprengel pump

Falling mercury drops compress the air to atmospheric pressure which is released when the stream reaches a container at the bottom of the tube. As the pressure drops, the cushioning effect of trapped air between the droplets diminishes, so a hammering or knocking sound can be heard, accompanied by flashes of LIGHT within the evacuated vessel.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprengel_pump

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_pump

I think its interesting too that here mercury creates light with a vacuum, which maybe the reason for the metaphor of philosophic mercury, hello, hello, hello, is anybody in here, lol...

Also does anyone know how to achieve this vacuum?
What pressure inhg would you need?
Could you use a hand pump?
what type of borosilicate glass could be used?
what is the glass max vacuum before implosion?
and so on...

I only ask because I have trouble finding any specs on this subject...

Possibly a vacuum filtering flask that has the vac-line opening on itself with a silicone stopper and a hand pump may work, I mean, right???
 
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Argento Vivo

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Hi wonderful people,

Oh my NTR!!! This was a long read to come to the end...

After all this much, i can't say anything on my side. But i would like to contribute to the informations found around on this topic, which can maybe bring more interesting thoughts.

As a starter, i'd like to begin with Trithemius Abbot of spohnheim, he used to write in several differente places about a particular kind of fire, which appears to be made of Abastam [Johannes adds that : (this is how a certain author calls it) -note: the text "guldener kleinod" where it is found is probably older than 1700].
(text is clavis artis of zoroaster, which actually gives the definition of abastam).

In other places he speaks of it also. But in the above cited text he shows also an apparatus to prepare this salt, which simply consists of some kind of barrique with an exit on the lower side for liquids.

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This appeared interesting to me when i moved on reading mister bacstrom's printed compilation of studies, and saw this:

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Now if this is a nice coincidence, check what johan Tolde shows us:

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What they all have in common should be this:

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and this:

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Interesting no?

I would compare all this methods, which vary little from each other, to the GCH quoted by Rogerc somewhere upon this Thread.

Also this Siddha recipe i found, and posted in another Thread, namely this one: Indian alchemy vid makes use of similar substance, which is a much simpler form, but it has something to it.

I like this correspondences, for example the method that indians use to render philosophical KNO3 or NH4Cl to the work which consists of crystallise them in boiled urine.

Also of great meaning, which actually nobody showed to have noticed/shared, is the name of the Pyhton:

Πύθων was a dragon/snake son of Goddess Gea, born or rather produced from the soil after the Great Flood. He was the guardian of Delfi Oracle, and died after an epic battle against Apollo, who took the oracle and gave the priestess the name "Pythia" or Pythonesse.

I thought this mythological insight was curious, since the python was named few times in this Thread.

Thank you very much for reading
 
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Argento Vivo

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I would add a few more things, which are more Agricultural, but this is the Celestial Agriculture Thread, so it's in-topic...

Generally calcium or limestone is beneficial for the successful growing of many crops, although it is not exactly known why. An overuse of limestone rock may oxidise organic matter or the humus, with temporary increase of fertility, but with loss of humus lately.

And from Steiner:

The calcium force in the earth comes from the planets closer to the Sun - the Moon, Mercury and Venus - while Mars, Jupiter, Saturn bring in the influences to silica

Let's look at the shell formation of an egg. In 1872 a French scientist, Louis Kervran, suggested that the calcium content of a chicken egg was directly connected not to the calcium in the hen's diet, but rather to the hen's ability to combine potassium and hydrogen in its food to form the calcium needed for the shell. This calcium-forming activity can be described as a calcium process.

The shell formation of molluscs is a similar process. Sea water does not appear to contain sufficient calcium for the shells: its formation is dependent on a calcium process from the cosmos, working through water.

Now Kervran wrote a few interesting books ideed. Worth reading. The cited above is about biological transmutations.

He grew up in an area with a totally calcium-free soil, being mostly silica, so this appears to be curious. I dont remember exactly what the hens were feed on, but im sure on internet you can find.

Where limestone is present in the soil, earthworm activity increases; there is a limestone process within the gut of the earthworm. The nodulation on all legume roots also increases limestone presence, as do various bacterias.

Now again from Steiner, an interesting quote:

What is collected down below from the cosmos (via the silica) must always be able to stream upward, and the presence of clay in the soil makes this possible.

Substances like clay support the upward flow of the effects of the cosmic entities in the ground.

All the Forces and fine homeopathic substances produced by means of Water and Air above the ground are drawn down by the soil's greater or lesser content of Lime.

It is the Lime in the soil and the presence of calcareous substances in homeopathic doses just above the soil's surface that serve to draw this Terrestrial Factor into the ground.

Clay is the mediator between the silica and Lime.

Early work in Europe included putting a plug of clay in the end of the horns (preparations 500, 501) before burying. The explanation of Steiner could make sense on this.
 

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Excelent thread, I've read it all of it, a lot of insights, it's a pity rogerc is not anymore here I would like to have some conversation with him.

I still need to read the SM thread as some member recommended to me, but I have a question, perhaps this belong here.

Have someone heard about a path made by Moses in the desert using only linen cloth to catch SM? I've found just a little about linen here in the forum...
 

Vyacheslav

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I keep coming back to this topic. And several related to him. The question that drives me crazy is the mechanism of the magnet and the attraction of SM. This is a fundamental question for me, which I am most eager to get an answer to. In what incomprehensible way does marl or saltpeter attract SM? What is this mechanism?..And what is SM first of all? I have done a lot of research in the field of electricity, ether, dark matter and alternative views on the physics of matter. But the question remains unanswered. In the end, my picture of the world boils down to the fact that energy forms physical matter, compacting until it acquires mass. Perhaps the mechanism of attracting SM is related to a change in the electric potential (assuming that electricity is a flow of directed ether/energy)...However, that would be too easy. Because alcohol or urea or distilled water is dielectric and does not react to electricity...
In the creation of the world, the Spirit of God hovered over the water. And I've always imagined lightning bursts in the night sky, above the surface of the proto-ocean.
I keep coming back to thoughts about lightning and electricity. And I want to believe that this is the key to understanding SM and heavenly farming. After all, the ionosphere is simply saturated with electricity, just like living cells.
 

Michael Sternbach

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I keep coming back to this topic. And several related to him. The question that drives me crazy is the mechanism of the magnet and the attraction of SM. This is a fundamental question for me, which I am most eager to get an answer to. In what incomprehensible way does marl or saltpeter attract SM? What is this mechanism?..And what is SM first of all? I have done a lot of research in the field of electricity, ether, dark matter and alternative views on the physics of matter. But the question remains unanswered. In the end, my picture of the world boils down to the fact that energy forms physical matter, compacting until it acquires mass. Perhaps the mechanism of attracting SM is related to a change in the electric potential (assuming that electricity is a flow of directed ether/energy)...However, that would be too easy. Because alcohol or urea or distilled water is dielectric and does not react to electricity...
In the creation of the world, the Spirit of God hovered over the water. And I've always imagined lightning bursts in the night sky, above the surface of the proto-ocean.
I keep coming back to thoughts about lightning and electricity. And I want to believe that this is the key to understanding SM and heavenly farming. After all, the ionosphere is simply saturated with electricity, just like living cells.

The universal field of the Spiritus Mundi is composed not of the kind of energy studied by most contemporary physicists, but by a more subtle kind of 'energy' which indeed is the origin of the former.

See Tom Bearden's writings for a fairly sophisticated conceptual outlook on how those various kinds of forces may be interlinked with each other.
 

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I keep coming back to this topic. And several related to him. The question that drives me crazy is the mechanism of the magnet and the attraction of SM. This is a fundamental question for me, which I am most eager to get an answer to. In what incomprehensible way does marl or saltpeter attract SM? What is this mechanism?..And what is SM first of all? I have done a lot of research in the field of electricity, ether, dark matter and alternative views on the physics of matter. But the question remains unanswered. In the end, my picture of the world boils down to the fact that energy forms physical matter, compacting until it acquires mass. Perhaps the mechanism of attracting SM is related to a change in the electric potential (assuming that electricity is a flow of directed ether/energy)...However, that would be too easy. Because alcohol or urea or distilled water is dielectric and does not react to electricity...
In the creation of the world, the Spirit of God hovered over the water. And I've always imagined lightning bursts in the night sky, above the surface of the proto-ocean.
I keep coming back to thoughts about lightning and electricity. And I want to believe that this is the key to understanding SM and heavenly farming. After all, the ionosphere is simply saturated with electricity, just like living cells.

Start to ask a different question and start to get a different answer....not matter or/vs energy...but what is life? Animation? Intellect? Chi/prana... structured breathing with thought!! Gathered/concentration/focused and directed.
 

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So to rehash we get

1.) A cotton/ hair like salt that form above the other two...this salt is of a middle nature...neither completely volatile nor completely fixed...this is the philosophic mercury, this is the target salt, the one we use for the alchemy, it does not come ready to pour out of a box/bag, we cannot purchase some.

2.) A volatile salt of niter like crystallization/ formation..the sources say to take them to the fire(vulcan) and they will tell us there names....and surely this one is niter...so niter must have been present from the beginning in some form.

3) An fixed alkaline salt, that must have also been present from the beginning
Greetings, colleagues. I've been thinking a lot, but I don't understand...This thought literally keeps me awake... Spiritus descends with the rain and fertilizes the earth. But at the same time it does without alkaline salt. I.e. rain already contains spiritus. It is logical that its partial fixation is already taking place in the atmosphere...but there is no alkaline salt. I have read studies that real rain is more effective than artificial irrigation. So the rain already contains a fraction of spiritus (obviously in weakly fixed nitrogen compounds)...Then what role does alkaline salt play and is it needed?
 

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Vyacheslav, IMO everything you said is basically correct.
Yes HIM is in rainwater, but in different concentrations at different times according to variables such as moon phase, season, geographical location, etc.
But even so, IMO using rainwater wouldn’t generally be the way to go since there’s almost always other better choices available to the artist.
Vyacheslav:
So the rain already contains a fraction of spiritus (obviously in weakly fixed nitrogen compounds)...Then what role does alkaline salt play and is it needed?
IMO that’s exactly correct...rain water is indeed a bit weak.
IMO using alkaline salt is simply one of those better choices.
IMO, no it’s not “needed”, there’s other salts (such as acetate), but some properties of nitre makes it a very good choice.
As for “what role” it plays...

IMO saltpeter (which has been pre-vivified) acts a carrier of HIM and releases concentrated HIM in gaseous form directly to molten metal in the dry path.

And in the wet path, you use pre-loaded saltpeter to imbibe a solvent (such as ether), which is then used to load up the white powder form of a metal with HIM turning it into transmutation powder.
 
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