. The Celestial Agriculture

[garvolt2002]

Alfr posted this on another thread.....its very good:


Especially this.....chrysopee.zzl.org/_ouvrages/218.doc......it begins very good....

roughly translated..."We did laundry and old plaster is seven times the water trap on the plaster until it has extracted all the saltiness or nitre.
Very good..... plaster/gypsum allowed to absorb astral salt for a long time, washed seven times to lixivate all the niter and salt.....the work begins....

Roberc .
Very interesting post.
Rogerc do you think following the method giving in the word document and which you have suggested “Révélation de la Parole Cachée par les Anciens ou Généalogie de la Mère du Mercure des Philosophes” is complete or are their other instructions required to complete this work.
Has anyone on this forum done the work of this document and if so what were the results a stone or philosophical mercury.

 

[rogerc]

Roberc .
Very interesting post.
Rogerc do you think following the method giving in the word document and which you have suggested “Révélation de la Parole Cachée par les Anciens ou Généalogie de la Mère du Mercure des Philosophes” is complete or are their other instructions required to complete this work.
Has anyone on this forum done the work of this document and if so what were the results a stone or philosophical mercury.

Its not unlike the first work of the book of abraham the jew, where he uses the marcz to get the universal solvent he puts on gold, he does this by getting the first salt niter lixivated from the earth, and treating it alchemically to get the two dragons, the volatile one with wings and the crawling creeping dragon which is fixed, he often speaks of giving adam his eve and he puts them together to get the mercury known as common which is seven times alchemically treated to get a more powerful one which can calcine gold. Except in this work a crystallization underground under the ocver of darkness is used in place of a distillation, that is from the initial water is sprouted two different kinds of crystals, first a volatile niterous one, then a more fixed alkailine one, finally after no more salts sprout, you are left with a blood red water, from which is evolved a grey salt that is put in a cellar which attracts astral spirit, this is the mother salt which resolves once more to a liquid and the operations are repeated to draw more salts, by these operation you learn the truth of the philosophy, from one come two, from two come three and from the three, one...you here this agaian and again also when the celestial nymph gives Cyliani the math question, but instead here we hear in terms of the son whose mother gave birth to him but was also created by him, this is really where the three salts enigma orginated, and where the salts of the two natures truley originate like speaks golden chain of homer.....anima mundi gave birth to niter and salt, and from of the union of these two all subjects animal plant and mineral/metal arose. But to answer your question yes this work as long and tedious/rustic as it is only yields the astral solvent, this solvent, if its spiritual kernal was preserved, would show its power in the ability to calcine gold like ice in warm water because it contains the spiritus mundi, we could like this document and first operation on dew/niter from abraham the jew put right on gold and wait nine months to get the stone of the first order or use it to extract the anima from the matter of the two metallic natures...arsenical sulfur and arrive at the stone much quicker.

 

[garvolt2002]

Many thanks for your response once gain Rogerc. You siad that the word document would only take you to the 1st Order and not the 3rd Order.
Rogerc is there an additional instruction in this process to go from the 1st Order to the 3rd Order?

 

[Pleroma]

Many thanks for your response once gain Rogerc. You siad that the word document would only take you to the 1st Order and not the 3rd Order.
Rogerc is there an additional instruction in this process to go from the 1st Order to the 3rd Order?

i think you just multiply it to get higher orders.

Now you have the Medicine of the Second Order, more fiery than the first, and ten times more powerful. One part of this medicine tinges one hundred parts of the inferior metals into silver or gold, according as you have employed the white or the red medicine.

28th ~ This Medicine, infinitely more soluble, more fiery, more penetrating and powerful, can no longer be administered in substance to the human body, being too great a fire for our constitution to bear.

The Medicine of the First Order may be administered in substance, 1/4 of a grain or less for a dose; but we will give you our method how to dissolve and administer our medicine with safety.

29th ~ The third, fourth and fifth Multiplication, always with the pure metallic water or Mercury, is performed exactly in the same manner as the first and second, but each succeeding multiplication is sooner performed than the foregoing.

We do not know that ever a philosopher ventured so far as the Fifth, as we truly believe that so fusible, ingressive and penetrating a substance, which is actually fire and Light, would run through every glass.

30th ~ The Medicine, whether White or Red, of the First Order, of the First Multiplication with Mercury, tinges ten times its weight.
The Medicine after the Second Multiplication tinges one hundred times its weight.....................................

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this is from here http://www.rexresearch.com/alchemy/bacstrom1.htm

 

[rogerc]

Many thanks for your response once gain Rogerc. You siad that the word document would only take you to the 1st Order and not the 3rd Order.
Rogerc is there an additional instruction in this process to go from the 1st Order to the 3rd Order?

Pleroma is correct, the wheel is made to turn each sucessive time with the same philosophic mercury, each time causing the stone to undergo a putrefaction and a rebirth to complete the paragenesis, the first time if we use gold metal, or silver for the white stone the only thing the mercury achieves is one, it reaches the sulfur of the gold and causes it to die and be reborn, in this case we are under the rule of this hermetic precept:

Such is the hieroglyph adopted by the philosophers to express metallic inertia, that is to
say, the special state that human industry gives to reduced and molten metals> Hermetic
esoteric demonstrates that metallic bodies remain alive and endowed with vegetative
power, as long as they are mineralized in their deposits. There they are combined with the
specific agent, or mineral spirit, which ensures their vitality, their nutrition, and their
evolution to the term required by nature, when they take on the shape and properties of
native silver and gold. Once this goal has been reached, the agent separates from the
body, which then ceases to live, becomes fixed and no longer capable of transformation.
Were it to stay on earth for several centuries, it still could not, by itself, change state or
abandon the characteristics which distinguish metal from mineral aggregate.
However, the process that occurs inside of the metal-bearing deposits is far from simple.
Subjected to the vicissitudes of this transitory world, numbers of ores see their evolution
suspended by the action of profound causes --- exhaustion of nutritive elements, shortage
of crystalline additions, insufficient pressure, heat, etc. --- or external causes --- fissures,
surge of waters, opening of the mine. Consequently metals solidify and remain
mineralized with the qualities acquired up to then, without being able to go beyond the
evolutionary stage they have reached. Others, younger, still await the agent that must
ensure their solidity and consistency, they remain in a liquid state and are totally non
coagulable. Such is the case of mercury, which is frequently found in its native state, or
mineralized by sulphur (cinnabar), either in the ore-bearing earth itself, or outside its
place of origin.
In this native form, even though metallurgic treatment did not have to intervene, these
metals are as insensitive as those whose ores have undergone roasting and fusion. No
more than those ores do the metals possess their own vital agent. The Sages tell us that
they are dead, at least in appearance, because it is impossible for us to bring out the latent
potential life hidden in the depth of their being under their solid crystallized mass. These
are dead trees, although they still conceal a trace of humidity, and they will no longer
bear leaves, flowers, fruit, or, above all, seed.
So with good reasoning certain authors assert that gold and mercury cannot help, wholly
or partially, in the elaboration of the Work. The first, they say, because its proper agent
has been separated from it during its completion, and the second, because the agent has
not yet been introduced into it. Other philosophers maintain nevertheless that gold,
although sterile in its solid form, may recover its lost vitality and resume its evolution if
we know how to "put it back into its first state"

So the intial application of the philosophic mercury onto metallic dead gold only serves in the first turn of the wheel, that is the stone of the first order to revivify the dry and arid tree, since at the time of completion of the gold of the mine, the living niterous agent that gave birth to it has abandoned it. Secondly after the rebirth the initial application serves to give the gold a vegatative seed just as is spoken in all the classics, but since it is only just recently awakened in it, its multiplicative power is low, most say on the order of one to one ratio, each sucessive turn of the wheel endows the stone with a vegatative power increase of an additional ratio of ten. This is why its more advisable to use realgar or auripigment(philosophers gold) instead of vulgar gold because the living spirits seminal from the mine are still present in them since the parent mineralizers of all metals are in fact arsenic and sulfur. That is if we left the realgar in the earth, nature would have cooked this substance to pure gold in a few thoudsand years time like says all the chinese books on alchemy which I presented earlier, golden chain of homer speaks similarly as I have previously shown as well, and since pure gold is all the farther nature can carry the substance, the parent spirits abandon it, and this is why the philosophers filled their treatises with talk of metallic generation, so you could recognize this vegatative spirit and seek it out at its roots which is in the celestial sky, and its takes this astral spirit to awaken the interior fire of the arsenical sulfur dragon and cleave the vegatative spirits from it, this spirit being the mother of gold is why gold dissolves so readily in it, arsenic and sulfur being nothing but a more evolved state of anima/spiritus mundi(celestial fire) joined in niter and salt. So it goes without saying the first turn of the wheel on this material would not only accomplish the stone of the first order in shorter time but of higher potency as well, which teaches what? That realgar properly purifed is already the philosophers stone of the first order, that is without any addition of philosophic mercury.... that is why earlier in this thread(reply #334) I posted:

Its traditional name, the stone of the philosophers, is descriptive enough of the body to
serve as a useful basis for its identification ~Dwellings

Yes.....I think so,.... crystalline shape.... diaphanous body.... red in mass...is it not our pomegrante?

Now here is the description he gives for the appearance of the philosophers stone, which let me remind you he says its enough to serve as useful basis for its identification, which I what led me to realgar in the first place:

First, let us say that, according to the scared language, the term philosopher’s stone,
means the stone which bears the sign of the sun. The solar sign is characterized by its red
coloration, which can vary in intensity, as Basil Valentine (1) says, “Its color ranges from
rosy red to crimson red, or from ruby to pomegranate red; as for its weight, it weighs
much more than it has quantity”. So much for color and density. The Cosmopolite (2),
whom Louis Figuier believes to be the alchemist known under the name of Seton, and
others under the name of Michael Sendivogius, describes in this passage its translucent
appearance, its crystalline form, and its fusibility: “If one were to find”, he said, “our
subject in its last state of perfection, made and composed by nature; if it were fusible, like
wax or butter, and its redness, its diaphanous nature or clarity appeared on the outside; it
would be in truth our blessed stone” Its fusibility is such, indeed, that all authors have
compared it to that of wax (64 C); it melts in the flame of a candle”, they repeat; some,
for this reason, have even given it in the name of great red wax (3). With these physical
characteristics the stone combines some powerful chemical properties --- the power of
penetration or ingress, absolute fixity, inability to be oxidized, which makes it
incalcinable, and extreme resistance to fire; finally, is irreducibility and its perfect
indifference to chemical reagents. We hear the same from Heinrich Khunrath when he
writes in his Ampitheatrum Sapientiae Aeternae, “At last, when the Work will have
passed from ashy color to pure white, then to yellow, you will see the philosophers stone,
our King raised above the dominators, come out of his glassy sepulcher, arise from his
bed and come onto our worldly scene in is glorified body, that is to say, regenerated and
more than perfect; in other words, the brilliant carbuncle of a greatly shining splendor,
whose parts, very subtle and very purified by the peaceful and harmonious union of the
blend are inseparably bound and assembled into one; constant and diaphanous as crystal,
compact and ponderous, easily fusible in fire like resin, flowing as wax, and more
flowing than quicksilver yet without fumes; piercing and penetrating solid and compact
bodies, as oil penetrates paper; soluble and dilatable in any liquid capable of softening it;
brittle as glass; taking on a saffron color when it is reduced to powder, yet red as ruby
when it remains in one unadulterated mass (this color is the signature of perfect fixation
and of fixed perfection); coloring and dyeing constantly; fixed in the tribulations of all
experiences, even when tried by devouring sulphur and fiery waters and by the very
strong persecution of fire; always durable, incalcinable, and like the Salamander,
permanent and justly judging all things (because it is in its own way all in everything),
and proclaiming: ‘Behold, I shall renew all things

And indeed we find that the author of Golden Chain of Homer himself says:

Anton Kirchweger ~ The Golden Chain of Homer

Note here that Arsenic is a subtil dry mercury for the formation of the red metals chiefly. Modestin Fachs and Tugel believe Arsenic to be unripe Luna, and Luna to be fixed Arsenic. Tugel confirms it by experiment: Lead from Mercury, Tin from Arsenic, Silver from Arsenic, Iron from Mercury, Copper from Mercury, and Mercury from Arsenic...

My teachings will repel many and they will be astonished when they learn that I prepare the gold with arsenic...
Sulphur removes all the poison from arsenic and antimony. If a man were to reflect on the true prime origins of gold and other metals, or if he were to take the Mineram Solis, which is one with the other metals, he could immediately change it back into its prime matter. From this the reader learns of the properties of arsenic, how quickly its poison can be removed and thus it is transformed into a better substance.
The first constituent of all marcasites and metals is arsenic. In what mineral or metal can we find common quicksilver except very rarely and accidentally? Instead, you will find Arsenicum and sulphur in each of the aforementioned, be it little or much, but usually in quantity.

See Jo. Agricola in Popp. Nuremburg 1681, 4, P. II, Tr. de Arsenico, P. 997, where it is written: "Without a reason, one should not be surprised that this mineral is so closely related to Sulphur, that they are almost sprung from one spring, but in their effects they are almost opposites... It is a King of Medicine when it is corrected, one grain or less of it has the most salutory effect in countless diseases. It is penetrating and tinges the blood and vital spirit so intensely that it becomes capable of dispersing even the most pernicious enemy from the body; which other medicines, lacking this power, can never accomplish. Therefore, you must search in every way to find out how its poisonous nature can be allayed...".

 

[rogerc]

Roberc .
Very interesting post.
Rogerc do you think following the method giving in the word document and which you have suggested “Révélation de la Parole Cachée par les Anciens ou Généalogie de la Mère du Mercure des Philosophes” is complete or are their other instructions required to complete this work.
Has anyone on this forum done the work of this document and if so what were the results a stone or philosophical mercury.

I want to revist this document(Révélation de la Parole Cachée par les Anciens ou Généalogie de la Mère du Mercure des Philosophes) for a moment because today I was researching anew of Kirchweger's method of preparing gold from arsenic and I came upon this from Book III Golden Chain Of Homer:

The other modus is the following: Make a lye of urine and potash; do not add any water. Have at hand a kibble, which should be large and have a lid. Put burnt lime (quicklime, calcium hydroxide) into it; pour your lye gradually upon it till it rises above it. Stir it well. Thereupon put your lime into a "Sussel" (a fine sieve?), and all the lye will run through. Put the lye remaining in the sieve into another kibble. When all the lye has run through and off the lime, keep your lye well preserved. Pour warm water over the lime, stir it often, and then let all the water run off the lime through a sieve.

Now boil this water to a thick lye. Take this lye and add it to the above lye. When you have a bucketful of it, add to it 6 lbs of mother liquid (bittern) of saltpetre makers, which will no longer crystallize into saltpetre because of it's greasiness. Preserve this lye. If you now wish to ripen mineral ores, pound them into flour, of which put at most 10 lbs into an alembic. Pour upon it as much of the above-mentioned lye to rise only a finger's width above it. Close the alembic tightly, put it into gentle heat, and stir it once every day, or else the ore grows upon each other (?).

When the liquid has boiled away or has dried, pour more upon it, and repeat this so often till there comes on top of the lye some greasiness. NB. Skin this; when it is dry, carry it upon some silver in flux. Then you will see something you had not imagined before. Coagulate it together and melt it, and all your efforts will be richly rewarded. In this way base lead can be fixed into gold and silver. But you must always precipitate it. It results in such a yield that a great Lord can live on it.

This really reaffirms all that I have written on limestone and saltpeter on this and other threads concerning the formation and maturation of gold, and especially in this excerpt we get some confirmation of the above exposition on the mother of saltpeter (philosophers).....from
Révélation de la Parole Cachée par les Anciens ou Généalogie de la Mère du Mercure des Philosophes which essentially says to use gypsum and extract a niterous water which is really liquid(potable) gold in seminal makeup, to use this water to sprout saltpeter till no more spouts and what we are left with is a blood red liquid which is the lifeblood of the earth, and this is an oily salt which is called mother of the saltpeter or bittern, and this is the matter we take.

 

[Pleroma]

So the intial application of the philosophic mercury onto metallic dead gold only serves in the first turn of the wheel, that is the stone of the first order to revivify the dry and arid tree, since at the time of completion of the gold of the mine, the living niterous agent that gave birth to it has abandoned it. Secondly after the rebirth the initial application serves to give the gold a vegatative seed just as is spoken in all the classics, but since it is only just recently awakened in it, its multiplicative power is low, most say on the order of one to one ratio, each sucessive turn of the wheel endows the stone with a vegatative power increase of an additional ratio of ten. This is why its more advisable to use realgar or auripigment(philosophers gold) instead of vulgar gold because the living spirits seminal from the mine are still present in them since the parent mineralizers of all metals are in fact arsenic and sulfur. That is if we left the realgar in the earth, nature would have cooked this substance to pure gold in a few thoudsand years time like says all the chinese books on alchemy which I presented earlier, golden chain of homer speaks similarly as I have previously shown as well, and since pure gold is all the farther nature can carry the substance, the parent spirits abandon it, and this is why the philosophers filled their treatises with talk of metallic generation, so you could recognize this vegatative spirit and seek it out at its roots which is in the celestial sky, and its takes this astral spirit to awaken the interior fire of the arsenical sulfur dragon and cleave the vegatative spirits from it, this spirit being the mother of gold is why gold dissolves so readily in it, arsenic and sulfur being nothing but a more evolved state of anima/spiritus mundi(celestial fire) joined in niter and salt. So it goes without saying the first turn of the wheel on this material would not only accomplish the stone of the first order in shorter time but of higher potency as well, which teaches what? That realgar properly purifed is already the philosophers stone of the first order, that is without any addition of philosophic mercury.... that is why earlier in this thread(reply #334) I posted:

hi roger
so what your saying is in that method of guasco using the realgar with that naptha, then we get a stone of the first order, can we multiply the same stone using the same method by adding more realgar?
i wanted to try that method but was to afraid of an explosion and killing myself.

 

[garvolt2002]

Hi Rogerc many thanks for your answer once again and it is now clear that Pleroma is correct and in your very interesting post you say. "That Realgar properly purified is already the Philosophers Stone of the First Order, that is without any addition of Philosophic Mercury" So what in your opinion is the best method that you think is valid that can be implemented safely? I would prefer to ingest a elixir than a poison. Can you help us as we don’t want to make a mistake in this process as you don’t get a second chance. Can you get from only simple purification of the Realgar the Philosophers Stone and medicine of the First Order? Best regards once again Rogerc.
Garvolt

 

[rogerc]

hi roger
so what your saying is in that method of guasco using the realgar with that naptha, then we get a stone of the first order, can we multiply the same stone using the same method by adding more realgar?
i wanted to try that method but was to afraid of an explosion and killing myself.

No by adding more dry water to make the mutiplication, in realgar it is already converted in sulfur, in auripigment it remains feminine but to reach it we need the astral spirit.

 

[Pleroma]

roger,
have you ever tried those methods in golden chain book 3? i used to use the pyrite method but was never able to condense the fumes that come over..
the method of using the yellow earth looks similar to abraham the jews method.

are those methods considered spagyrics?

 

[Arrakis]

Atract and fix the astral spirit

The process of collecting dew and the use of deliquescing salts in our art is really of no use if we want a spirit powerful enough to work with, we are not collecting atmosphereic moisture, in fact we purposely calcine our marl very strongly to rid ourselves of any moisture it may have absorbed after it had been put to absorb the astral spirit before we proceded to extract "our salt peter"...

Well my intention was toreplay this to Roger, but as he's not here anymore, would anyone here replay this questions please?
Sorry that I reply old messages, I'm new in this forum and I have been reading them only recently.
Going straight to the point, the goal is certainly not the collection of athmospheric moisture, but wouln't you agree that we collect moisture in order to take the Astral Spirit inside of it? And that deliquescing salts are important for this purpose? I believe that such salts are dry enough to atract both Spirit and moisture, and to can accumulate the former by repeated sequences of absorving and drying. I'm not so sure if they are good enough to fix it or even hold it unaltered.
Can oak salt be considered a good philosophical magnet to be used in this way?
Regards,
Arrakis

 

[solomon levi]

I would agree that there is spirit in the moisture.
I think some books are quite clear on that.
There also appears to be a tradition of using various (or specific)
alkalis for this purpose, mainly the oak/tartar and limestone.
Perhaps the oiliness of alkalis has something to do with trapping the spirit.
Some at this forum have suggested that quartz can somehow trap this spirit as well.
And then there are other ways, pointed at in the Spiritus Mundi thread that
utilise a mysterious magnet that seems to not have thingness... an empty vessel.

 

[Arrakis]

Actually there are several salts capable to do this, which are potassium nitrate, potassium carbonate and common salt. The tree must be anhidrid to start absorving the moisture containing the Astral Spirit. Then we proceed to dry them off and so on. The intention of this procedure is to retain in to the salt the spirit brought by moisture, in caves or in the open air at night. The moisture must be dried off by heating in low temp. after each imbibition, until we have accumulated enough Spirit in the matter-salt.

 

[Seth-Ra]

Actually there are several salts capable to do this, which are potassium nitrate, potassium carbonate and common salt. The tree must be anhidrid to start absorving the moisture containing the Astral Spirit. Then we proceed to dry them off and so on. The intention of this procedure is to retain in to the salt the spirit brought by moisture, in caves or in the open air at night. The moisture must be dried off by heating in low temp. after each imbibition, until we have accumulated enough Spirit in the matter-salt.

I once tried this with common salt, using the summer sun as my heating source the next day. After a couple of days, some of the salt was turning a golden color, and in a couple weeks time it was getting more rustic red and yellow. Those particles tasted neither like salt, nor any sort of metal i know of - but rather more organic, like earth, but... "clean"... hard to describe.

Regardless, it seems to be akin to making the volatile Spirit within the lunar water more fixed and corporeal. Can also be done by growing the salts from the water itself (which is done in a lot of dew works).





~Seth-Ra

 

[Arrakis]

Regardless, it seems to be akin to making the volatile Spirit within the lunar water more fixed and corporeal. Can also be done by growing the salts from the water itself (which is done in a lot of dew works).


~Seth-Ra

Thanks Seth, would that be a way to accumulate as much Spirit as Roger sugested?
As for the sun's action, I have read alot about the Solar Dust, but many of the sages recommend to start always in the dark of night.

 

[Seth-Ra]

Thanks Seth, would that be a way to accumulate as much Spirit as Roger sugested?
As for the sun's action, I have read alot about the Solar Dust, but many of the sages recommend to start always in the dark of night.

Umm, i cannot speak for Roger's methodology or meaning/terminology.

Allowing the salts to grow will increase the subject matter (making earth from water, the water which came from fire and air). More of that special water (water which is a vessel for that Lunar spirit, carrying the Solar seed) will lead to more Spirit - but quantity is not as important as quality.

When the quality is exalted and improved, even the smallest of such a seed will sprout and transmute more of its kind to its level.



~Seth-Ra

 

[Arrakis]

Thanks again Seth, have you been able to do that? Is very much what the philosophers say about the "golden chain", and i'd say it's also what Roger tried to expain. I agree that the quality is very important, starting with the purity of air, although I reckon that quantity is also important in means that the stone can be regarded as a concentration or densification of the Spirit into matter.

Arrakis

 

[alfr]

I once tried this with common salt, using the summer sun as my heating source the next day. After a couple of days, some of the salt was turning a golden color, and in a couple weeks time it was getting more rustic red and yellow. Those particles tasted neither like salt, nor any sort of metal i know of - but rather more organic, like earth, but... "clean"... hard to describe.

Regardless, it seems to be akin to making the volatile Spirit within the lunar water more fixed and corporeal. Can also be done by growing the salts from the water itself (which is done in a lot of dew works).





~Seth-Ra

Hi Seth-Ra and every body

very interesting that you describe the alchemical expressing alternate irradiation with rays of the moon and sun that you describe with common salt
now some of my friends (with i have work) they have worked with it but to put the moon in deliquescence worked as attached below using high-temperature calcination of the salt for he say opewn it before exposing it to the moon at night (they call it the salt solute paracelsi and is a method very similar the practice of dry-tel tresor tresor of grosparmi i put this instruction under (soory i have only in french) )
but my friends while working with common salt, however, are not ever going to put the salt directly to the deliquescence of the full moon nights when the crucible is not treating it as a document attached here from Salt soluterench
but you did not like to use high temperatures, so for put this sal common in deliquescence you impregnate this salt common with dew that you collet apart ? by the initial disintegration and then exposing it repeatedly to cycle to solve god night with the moon and coagulates with the sun during the day (every full solve and coagula of my friends consider them a complete Eagle ph) and in doing so then you could get a real magnet attractive went every cycle solve and coagulates into deliquescence?

(of this operativity and some result about it i have also some my and my friens photo but i dont know ?attach it in the thread forum?)

my best regards alfr


La préparation du sale soluto

La calcination qui se fait par la fusion, n’est autre chose que la fonte du sel décrépite dans un creuset dans le four à vent, si on garde ce sel fondu dans un lieu chaud et sec, il se garde en masse dont on se sert au besoin. Mais si on l’expose à l’air, il se résout en eau, qu’il faut filtrer et la mettre dans une bouteille, c’est ce que Paracelse appelle Sal solutum et aqua salis, l’eau de sel ou le sel résout.

La croix donne encore un dissolvant et une médecine tout extraordinaire, par deux sujets très universels, que la nature nous met devant les yeux ; savoir par l’eau de la mer inférieure coagulée, et coagulante, ou sel de mer ; et par l’eau de la mer supérieure libre et dissolvante, ou la rosée… Avant d’entreprendre cette opération, rendez le sel de mer fort fusible, et munissez-vous d’un bon lut, qui résiste au feu et à l’eau. Si donc vous dissolvez ce sel de mer fusible, qui est une eau coagulée, par le moyen de l’eau supérieure de vertu résolutive, qui est la rosée, celle-là fera entrer celle-ci en putréfaction à un feu lent ; et vous découvrirez cette putréfaction à l’œil. Si vous répétez cinq ou six fois ce mélange de la rosée avec l’eau coagulée de la mer, par une lente digestion, vous extrairez toutes les vertus, que le sel de mer a reçues depuis la création, jusqu’à cette heure ; et que l’irradiation des astres et la réverbération des flots ont alcalisées : et vous ne serez pas fort éloigné d’un dissolvant très noble, très médicinal et très précieux ; dont une partie pourrait peut-être bien dissoudre une partie de quelque métal, ou minéral, que vous lui joindrez : ce dissolvant simple et naturel pourrait mériter à bon droit le nom et l’effet d’un Alkahest, qui a réuni en soi les forces dissolvantes d’en-haut, avec les forces coagulantes d’en-bas ; et dans lequel est régénéré le feu, qui paraît dans les eaux marines avec l’eau de la rosée, fruit de l’aurore, pleine des vertus célestes : de sorte que par là vous avez une eau vivante, régénérée et régénérante, figure de la mer cristalline, ou eau mêlée au feu de l’Apocalypse – chapitres 4 et 15, et d’Ézéchiel – chapitre 47 – qui est le dernier bain de régénération, pour approcher du trône de Dieu.

1 Nicolas Lefèvre, Cours de chimie pour servir d’introduction à cette science, tome 3 (1751).
2 Douzetemps, Le Mystère de la croix de Jésus-Christ et de ses Membres, Sébastiani, 1975.

 

[Arrakis]

Hi Alfr,
So do you mean that it's enough to to join common sal with dew's salt to form a good magnet with an excellent medicine from it?

 

[alfr]

Hi arrakis and every body

NOW i have only work with this for a little time and arrived to one sal orange after i have stop it because furnace broken but the group of french i know he say yes and there are many photo of this result my and hin result ( so i try to put it in forum but i an not expert and i not have result) but also roger guasco say that i put here under in attach the page of roger guasco that gived this indication

my best regard alfr

from Roger Guasco LA ROSEE BRULE LE SEL
http://yaka-asso.org/yaka/rosee/lr_sel.php
http://yaka-asso.org/yaka/rosee/lr_sel2.php

CHAPTER

Le Sel Alchimique .

 

[Andro]

from Roger Guasco LA ROSEE BRULE LE SEL
http://yaka-asso.org/yaka/rosee/lr_sel.php
http://yaka-asso.org/yaka/rosee/lr_sel2.php
CHAPTER: Le Sel Alchimique.

For the 'Google Translate' English Version, click Salt 1 and Salt 2.

Of course any other language can be chosen on the above linked pages, to get the most suitable translation...

 

[Arrakis]

Merci Alfr,
One of the things that intrigue me about this subject, is that it seems our water or magnesia is actually a dew coming from earth, wich becomes a solid salt as soon as it meets the air dew. Then what alchemists do is imitate this process in a small scale.
Arrakis

 

[Andro]

I have stop it because furnace broken

Hi Alfr,

Did you do a 'Wet' reaction?

I'm asking this because when/if you do a 'Dry' reaction (maybe with higher temperatures?), it often leads to exploding/breaking furnaces, so you have to use a trick or two to avoid this (like in many 'Dry' reactions).

 

[alfr]

Hi androgynus and every body
i worked with electrical muffala and after a while she jumped and then I closed the internal relationship with the group for different mixtures of action but which would then be the trick you mention to you that the crucibles and furnaces do not break? I'm curious
my best regards alfr

 

[Pleroma]

Spiritus Mundi is not niter......niter is niter....Spiritus Mundi is not a chemical...it is the universal spirit, think spirits, imponderable intelligencies directed towards producing physical manifestations in the material world....think the astral world....where everything is "becoming" but not yet manifest...this is spiritus mundi...we use philosophy to attract it, yes it is found in nature attached to niter...because only because niter is earth's natural fertilzer, the philosophers stumbled upon the secrets of nature by following her and amplifying her forces ...that is why I began this thread with an Essay On Agriculture...too much niter on plants will burn them...but too much spiritus mundi on plants has no ill effect, it will make them sprout and grow to full grown and produce fruit in a manner of minutes, I hope this goes far enough to exposition the difference.

The process outlined here is to use niter to catch spiritus mundi and seperate, transfer and fix it onto another medium...in the end the stone is soley spiritus mundi.

On another note we have to look more deeply into the three salts enigma.

So to rehash we get

1.) A cotton/ hair like salt that form above the other two...this salt is of a middle nature...neither completely volatile nor completely fixed...this is the philosophic mercury, this is the target salt, the one we use for the alchemy, it does not come ready to pour out of a box/bag, we cannot purchase some.

2.) A volatile salt of niter like crystallization/ formation..the sources say to take them to the fire(vulcan) and they will tell us there names....and surely this one is niter...so niter must have been present from the beginning in some form.

3) An fixed alkaline salt, that must have also been present from the beginning

So with this knowledge and what we know about philosophic allegories, what can we say about the three salts in summary is: That in order to have acquired a philosophical salt of a middle nature...its must have been compounded out of the other two ......and bam! We get the allegory...the winged dragon devours the crawling dragon...the remora freezes/fixes the salamander, the man joins with the woman and we get a hermaphrodite, mars beds venus and neptune cathces them in adultery and casts a "love" net around them, its all about the pole-ar nature of the salts, that is what the allegories continually convey. We can even see this association in the recipes which become clear in the order of operations, this is why the operations are repeated over and over again, each time the separation is effected the two mediums become more polar, and produce yet more a product of the middle nature,..... of course to a chemist these repetitions make absolutely no sense, but we are "striking" in an alchemical sense, the rock with the staff...this is why I like the Book of Abraham the Jew so much.....he shows us the allegories and then gives us the operations :

So this fiery creeping dragon was engendered from the same beginning material and that said material was made philosophic, de-compounded and separated then polarized and then finally reunited.....and what is this salt of a middle nature, that conveys the fire of heaven? Well it is the "quintesssence" the "blessing", the "dew" of heaven which the lord put in the "fat" of the land, in short it is the spiritus mundi.

This is why I post recipes although others don't like it.....not to shove recipes down peoples throats but to get them to read whats going on between the lines, behind the scenes...this is easy when we forget about chemicals and periodic tables and start focusing on the qualities that the operations give to the matters, it is then that we realize that the operations are more philosophic than anything especially when we realize that chemicals do nothing in alchemy. So any philosophic product we get is a product of this philosophy not a product of a chemical manipulation/reaction.

i would say this is one of my favorite post by roger.