The birth of Ymir in the womb of the world

Raziel

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Greetings! I hope I have chosen the right section for this topic and an appropriate title. My ultimate question lies in the final paragraph, namely: how to mystically assemble Ymir.

A bit of context to understand my motivation. I spent several years studying the texts of a certain sorcerer, and if there is interest, I can share some of the notes he published openly here. The text below is exactly one of those. This sorcerer recently passed away, and I began rereading my saved notes, which I once considered the most crucial. For obvious reasons, I can no longer consult with him, but since this recipe is closely tied to alchemy, I hope you can help me make sense of it or offer some hints. I should also note that although this sorcerer claimed to have no interest in alchemy, many of the terms show that certain principles from this art were clearly utilized. Furthermore, I believe that sympathetic magic, in its ultimate aim, allows one to penetrate the secrets of nature, just as alchemy does, albeit through a different path.

Now, I will quote the text:

Precipitation.

The first problem, related to destruction and banishment—or rather, the release of the spirit and its subsequent return and retention—must be resolved at the very beginning of one's inquiries. Until this matter is thoroughly studied by the practitioner, many forms of sympathetic magic will remain barren and lead only to deplorable disappointment.

This must be known about the nature of the spirit: it is material, yet invisible and highly volatile. Because of its lightness, it is swiftly carried away by air currents and dissipates, leaving the hapless sorcerer empty-handed.

If you ask me about the nature of this spirit, I will answer:

"Hæc est totíus fortitúdinis fortitúdo fórtis, quía víncet ómnem rem subtílem, omnémque sólidam penetrábit."

And indeed, there is nothing more to be said here about the nature of the spirit or the force hidden within things. However, we must now explain how to grasp it and subject its inherent force to one's will.

Let us agree from the outset that by "destruction" we mean the transformation of matter, and by the "banishment and return of the spirit" we mean the natural, cyclical movement of force. After all, we are dealing with "natural magic," albeit of the lower sympathetic kind in this instance. Be that as it may, both lower sympathetic and higher ceremonial magic are subject to the same law, which is merely an expression of universal truth:

Quod est inférius est sícut id quod est supérius. Et quod est supérius est sícut id quod est inférius, ad perpetránda mirácula réi uníus.

Based on this, let us begin the work and perform this operation. Take two bowls of glazed clay; let one be named "Heaven" and the other "Earth". Let "Heaven" completely cover "Earth". Now, pour water into "Earth" and place a tea leaf or some other herb into the water. Cover "Earth" with "Heaven", forming the "Womb of the World"—a hermetically sealed space within which the transformation of things will occur. Next, place fire beneath "Earth". The water heats up and begins to steam; the spirit is banished from the plant and, along with the water vapor, rises up to "Heaven". When the fire is removed, the vapor that carried the spirit banished from the plant will condense back into water droplets and descend upon "Earth". At the same time, the spirit banished from the plant will return and be precipitated within the decoction, as it is said:

"Ascéndit a térra in cǽlum, iterúmque descéndit in térram".

This applies equally to decoction and to the burning of animal components into ash. The spirit released from the incinerated parts of animal and bird bodies remains in the ash, having been captured and precipitated in a similar manner.

It is also favorable if Heaven does not oppose the various transformations. Truly, it is better to follow the universal course of nature, thereby securing Heaven's support for success in one's endeavors.

Moderate heating in several stages; fire is the sun, there is day and there is night. This allows the spirit to move up and down. From then on, everything is governed by numbers, in improvised diurnal cycles (heating/cooling); here, it is a matter of time.

Furthermore, if we speak of vapor loss, it concerns not only the weakening of the spirit contained within the "womb," but also the attraction (or repulsion) and involvement of other classes of Spirits in the work. This is because evaporation is already a form of fumigation or incense, which exerts an influence on the environment in which the operation takes place.

All things must have a foundation. The spirit seeks a foundation in a thing, and a thing is found among things. A thing is strengthened by another thing, achieving unity within a single thing, and the spirit descends and takes residence. Behold the most ancient of foundations: that which was divided into many things must be gathered into one. One begets two and three, and this gives rise to generations.

Seawater, river water, rainwater, meltwater, fog in the mountains and lowlands, dirt, silt, clay, earths and stones, metal ores, trees, shrubs, human dust, and blood, when mixed, manifest the human corpse—the foundation of Aurgelmir. That which is scattered is gathered and rightly assembled: the work of heat and cold, and of evaporation. From the primal mud, this breath gives birth to "mercurial drops"; these drops merge together, giving birth to the ancient god—Ymir.
 

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Very interesting text. Citations from Tabula Smaragdina.
Thank you for your interest! I'm aware of the quotes, yeah. I understand how to gather the water for this recipe. I know what to do with bushes and trees, but I'm stuck on "which ones exactly." And I have a lot of questions regarding iron ore... Since the recipe draws on Norse mythology alongside alchemical (spagyric?) art, and is fundamentally rooted in a magical perspective on things, I have a few theories:
  1. Rely directly on the classical system of the 7 planets. Take one bush, tree, and ore, choosing one of each according to their astrological correspondences.
  2. Base it on alchemy and use only those ores and trees/bushes that are mentioned in treatises in one way or another.
  3. Rely on the myth of Ymir and take into account only those things that were valued within the context of that worldview. Then there's the question of what to do with the ore once I've settled on it. Should I just grind it into a powder and then calcine it symbolically? I doubt the recipe intended an approach using various acids to "kill" the ore.
 

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Based on this, let us begin the work and perform this operation. Take two bowls of glazed clay; let one be named "Heaven" and the other "Earth". Let "Heaven" completely cover "Earth". Now, pour water into "Earth" and place a tea leaf or some other herb into the water. Cover "Earth" with "Heaven", forming the "Womb of the World"—a hermetically sealed space within which the transformation of things will occur.

How do you propose to hermetically seal the 2 clay bowls?

Next, place fire beneath "Earth".
What degree of "fire" do you think the text refers to?

The water heats up and begins to steam; the spirit is banished from the plant and, along with the water vapor, rises up to "Heaven". When the fire is removed, the vapor that carried the spirit banished from the plant will condense back into water droplets and descend upon "Earth". At the same time, the spirit banished from the plant will return and be precipitated within the decoction
For condensation to occur the top bowl would need to be significantly cooler than the lower bowl. In many alchemy labs this is done using sand baths or water baths for the lower part (bowl, flask etc). I'm not sure how effective clay bowls would be for this operation verses just using a glass flask, plus of course you can't see what's going on inside with a clay bowl.
 

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Спасибо за ваш интерес! Да, я в курсе цитат. Я понимаю, как собрать воду для этого рецепта. Я знаю, что делать с кустами и деревьями, но не могу определиться, «какие именно». И у меня много вопросов по поводу железной руды... Поскольку рецепт основан на скандинавской мифологии и алхимическом (спагирическом?) искусстве, и в основе лежит магический взгляд на вещи, у меня есть несколько теорий:
  1. Опирайтесь непосредственно на классическую систему семи планет. Возьмите один куст, одно дерево и одну руду, выбрав по одному экземпляру каждого в соответствии с их астрологическим соответствием.
  2. Основывайтесь на алхимии и используйте только те руды и деревья/кустарники, которые так или иначе упоминаются в трактатах.
  3. Опирайтесь на миф об Имире и учитывайте только те вещи, которые ценились в контексте этого мировоззрения. Затем встаёт вопрос, что делать с рудой, когда я её найду. Должен ли я просто измельчить её в порошок, а затем символически обжечь? Сомневаюсь, что рецепт предполагал использование различных кислот для «уничтожения» руды.
I've tried grinding it, I've tried extracting salt, but in my opinion, the most effective method is to soak the ore in our secret vinegar and let it extract the mercury. This takes about 40 days.
 

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ENGLISH PLEASE!

The quotes as well.
 

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How do you propose to hermetically seal the 2 clay bowls?


What degree of "fire" do you think the text refers to?


For condensation to occur the top bowl would need to be significantly cooler than the lower bowl. In many alchemy labs this is done using sand baths or water baths for the lower part (bowl, flask etc). I'm not sure how effective clay bowls would be for this operation verses just using a glass flask, plus of course you can't see what's going on inside with a clay bowl.
The only option with a clay pot is gentle heating. Currently, I'm using a sand bath in a pot. I seal the pot using a refractory sealant. I calculated the amount of water based on safety considerations and poured about 100 ml of spiritus universalis into a 1-liter pot. I think the fact that you can't see what's happening inside the pot is part of the idea. Again, the approach here relies heavily on the witchcraft recipes for capturing and precipitating plant and animal spirits.
 

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I've tried grinding it, I've tried extracting salt, but in my opinion, the most effective method is to soak the ore in our secret vinegar and let it extract the mercury. This takes about 40 days.
Thanks for the tip! I'll read up on this approach. I really like the idea of using vinegar.
 

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Thanks for the tip! I'll read up on this approach. I really like the idea of using vinegar.
Actually, I didn't mean literal vinegar. I meant specifically "philosophical vinegar." It's not the vinegar we have in our kitchens. It's what some tomes call the secret fire, the universal menstruum. It can dissolve gold. It literally melts like ice, separating into faith, salt, and mercury. But it's not aqua regia. I found a pdf in a 1728 tome in Old German in a Moscow library near Khodynka. Google couldn't translate the text, but the GPT chat did a great job. Unfortunately, I don't see a way to send it to you via private message here. If you can post your email address here, I can send you these instructions.
Do you have a distiller?
 

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1728 tome in Old German
Is this the Deutsches Theatrum Chemicum?

First part published in 1728 in Nürnberg by Friedrich Roth-Scholtz.

There are two more parts, published in 1730 and 1732.
 

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Actually, I didn't mean literal vinegar. I meant specifically "philosophical vinegar." It's not the vinegar we have in our kitchens. It's what some tomes call the secret fire, the universal menstruum. It can dissolve gold. It literally melts like ice, separating into faith, salt, and mercury. But it's not aqua regia. I found a pdf in a 1728 tome in Old German in a Moscow library near Khodynka. Google couldn't translate the text, but the GPT chat did a great job. Unfortunately, I don't see a way to send it to you via private message here. If you can post your email address here, I can send you these instructions.
Do you have a distiller?
If I'm interpreting the forum rules correctly, I can provide an email for contact, since it doesn't reveal my identity in any way:
alsowelingsowelal@gmail.com. If you're referring specifically to philosophical vinegar, I probably won't be able to make it anytime soon, as I'm not very knowledgeable in alchemy, and my equipment is limited to a 37-liter stainless steel still with a rectification column. I also have a heating mantle and flasks, but no condenser. I haven't been able to afford it yet. But in any case, I'd be very glad to get the translated treatise from 1728 :)
 

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Actually, I didn't mean literal vinegar. I meant specifically "philosophical vinegar." It's not the vinegar we have in our kitchens. It's what some tomes call the secret fire, the universal menstruum. It can dissolve gold. It literally melts like ice, separating into faith, salt, and mercury. But it's not aqua regia. I found a pdf in a 1728 tome in Old German in a Moscow library near Khodynka. Google couldn't translate the text, but the GPT chat did a great job. Unfortunately, I don't see a way to send it to you via private message here. If you can post your email address here, I can send you these instructions.
Do you have a distiller?
As a native german speaker, maybe i could help with the translation better than ChatGPT. Maybe you could send me the text, so we can see if the translation needs improvment.
 
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Logistical Note
I can provide an email for contact, since it doesn't reveal my identity in any way.
Here is my email (hope it is not against the rules to post it).

It's not strictly against the rules to post your personal email addresses, however this is an open forum that can be viewed by anyone without logging in, so you are exposing yourselves to bots and email collectors, which leads to spamming.

After you have actively participated in discussions on the open forum for a while, the Private Conversation feature will be unlocked, and then you can have private exchanges via this feature without using email. Unless the forum server is hacked, no one can view your private conversations, not even the Admin.

This being said, I encourage everyone to share as much as possible on the open forum, so that everyone can benefit. The Private Conversation feature is a bonus, not the main purpose of this platform.

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Logistical Note

It's not strictly against the rules to post your personal email addresses, however this is an open forum that can be viewed by anyone without logging in, so you are exposing yourselves to bots and email collectors, which leads to spamming.

After you have actively participated in discussions on the open forum for a while, the Private Conversation feature will be unlocked, and then you can have private exchanges via this feature without using email. Unless the forum server is hacked, no one can view your private conversations, not even the Admin.

This being said, I encourage everyone to share as much as possible on the open forum, so that everyone can benefit. The Private Conversation feature is a bonus, not the main purpose of this platform.

If you decide you wish your email addresses to be removed but the 24 hours editing window has closed, contact one of the moderators and they will remove it for you.

Thanks and enjoy the forum!

Thank you! I wasn't aware of all these nuances, but I'll keep them in mind going forward.