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Terror at Crossing the Threshold

Triune One

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hi everyone,
This is my first forum post, if you don't count the intro I just wrote.

I am a little hesitant to share this post, but I am very open to hearing thoughts from others... if you've had similar experiences and what helped.

Thing is, when I meditate (no substances needed, although earlier, it was usually weed that brought me there) I get to this place where all dimensional reality around me drops away. I have quite a bit of intellectual understanding of it.
I know it is merging with "The One."
I know it is "infinite." And by infinite, I mean, beyond space and time, though it feels like all "boundaries" of regular space have just gone on steroids and it's massive, really beyond words, soooo huge. But the thing is, IT is not massive. I am THAT which is beyond words and beyond the mind's ability to comprehend, humongous.
I thought it might be the "veta vali" (luminous expansive dark space) of the Vedic path.

This all really freaks my ego out, where my soul yearns for the surrender to happen.
I have had huge amounts of terror at this "threshold."
I know it is my ego that is freaking out, at the loss of its self that merging with this One will involve.

It has happened to me twice now over the last year that I wake up in the middle of the night and "I" am "there" - hanging over this precipice of infinity. Last time was 2 nights ago.
Near my solar return this past May, there was that hugely powerful eclipse of the full moon in Scorpio and I woke up in the night and it was a full blown "merging with the One" panic attack. I was breathing heavy and trying to "let go" while the ego was holding on for dear life.

This space doesn't feel all warm and heavenly.
It feels quite... vastly empty and frightening.
If it was angels playing harp music and spraying fairy dust, I think it'd be
easier for me to fully allow myself to go there. Although, I have been going more and more with less and less resistance and fear.

"I" truly want to surrender and "just let go" (Intellectually, Ego-me does, even though innately, it does not want to). I know it's the thing I must do. But darnit if it is just so terrifying.

I'd love some thoughts from those that understand what I am talking about.
Did you equally experience fear?
Is it normal to feel afraid?
What did you do with the fear?
Does this line up with any alchemical terminology?
Are there writings about it?
Do you feel inspired to share anything, having read this thread?

Thank you.
 
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Hi there Triune One,

And a warm welcome to the forums. :)

From your post, I gather that you have reached an interesting stage in your psycho-spiritual unfoldment. Gaining direct insight into the Nature of Reality - that's awesome!

On the other hand, your ego is daunted by those experiences. Let me assure you, its resistance to the "unconditional surrender" that you demand is a completely sane and natural reaction and should be respected. For that matter, spiritual seekers should consider the fact that having a strong ego is the best way to avoid being flooded by one's transcendental experiences and potentially end up at the shrink.

At this stage, go easy on yourself... Baby steps, please! For instance, make sure you always ground yourself again after you had one of those transcendental experiences, and reorient yourself in your immediate surroundings.

In alchemical terms, what you are experiencing could be called a state of solutio - that is, dissolution of borders (be it of the matter that is to be transformed, or of the conscious personality). This is pretty much an indispensable step on the way to the Stone, however, it comes with its own dangers. Notably, there is the very real threat of the evolving matter (or the expanding consciousness) to be drowned in its encounter with the all-encompassing World Soul.

Our Art is to have every expansion followed by a contraction or coagulatio, the latter being a stage that allows the conscious personality to adapt to and integrate its new experiences. (One thing I really like about Alchemy is that, applied to inner processes, it provides a very useful terminology!)

That way, you may gradually transform yourself into a 'Living Stone', as some of the earlier writers suggested. Or into a truly enlighted being that remains able to efficiently deal with the challenges of a suffering world if need be, while not being bound by it.

Best of luck! :)
 

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Hello 3|1 :)

In my own (several) experiences with this "state", resistance was out of the question for "me".

I fully accepted and embraced the very real possibility that I may end up in the loony bin, or worse.

Either I manage to "put myself back together" on my own, or accept the alternative.

In Shamanic Initiations, this is a "pass or fail only" scenario. No "middle" ground.

In some traditions it is allegorically compared to "being eaten by wolves", wherein one must "put oneself back together" by Will & Intent alone, with literally nothing even remotely resembling an external "Anchor".

If we don't surrender fully & unconditionally to this "dissolution", then the "test" will be repeated until we "pass" it.

This is my own experience with such scenarios, but I realize it may vary between different people.

Also, no psychoactive substances were ever involved in my journeys of initiation, except maybe the ones that are produced internally.

And welcome to Alchemy Forums!
 

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Hi there Triune One,

And a warm welcome to the forums. :)

From your post, I gather that you have reached an interesting stage in your psycho-spiritual unfoldment. Gaining direct insight into the Nature of Reality - that's awesome!

On the other hand, your ego is daunted by those experiences. Let me assure you, its resistance to the "unconditional surrender" that you demand is a completely sane and natural reaction and should be respected. For that matter, spiritual seekers should consider the fact that having a strong ego is the best way to avoid being flooded by one's transcendental experiences and potentially end up at the shrink.

At this stage, go easy on yourself... Baby steps, please! For instance, make sure you always ground yourself again after you had one of those transcendental experiences, and reorient yourself in your immediate surroundings.

In alchemical terms, what you are experiencing could be called a state of solutio - that is, dissolution of borders (be it of the matter that is to be transformed, or of the conscious personality). This is pretty much an indispensable step on the way to the Stone, however, it comes with its own dangers. Notably, there is the very real threat of the evolving matter (or the expanding consciousness) to be drowned in its encounter with the all-encompassing World Soul.

Our Art is to have every expansion followed by a contraction or coagulatio, the latter being a stage that allows the conscious personality to adapt to and integrate its new experiences. (One thing I really like about Alchemy is that, applied to inner processes, it provides a very useful terminology!)

That way, you may gradually transform yourself into a 'Living Stone', as some of the earlier writers suggested. Or into a truly enlighted being that remains able to efficiently deal with the challenges of a suffering world if need be, while not being bound by it.

Best of luck! :)

Hi Michael,
Thank you very much for your reply.
I have been hard on myself at this daunting stage.
Your words are sound and wise.
With each solutio, I can see how that has to be coagulated, so that the volatile unites with the fixed.
Yes, makes total sense.
I can also see that I am going deeper into it each time. The astral spirit is strengthening in conjunction with the matter of
my lower self.
Very wonderful.

I can also see how Andro's response is true as well and not in contradiction.
Thank you for that Andro.
At some point, truth be told, it is an all in... no holding back. Gotta just pull up your socks and dive in, fully.

The other side of the matter is, I really haven't been able to fathom or harness or yield to the sheer
mind-blowing (yes, that is what it is and what it is supposed to be) gargantuan nature of it.
So Michael's words are totally appropriate for how it's had to happen for me.
Thank you both... very much.
 

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It feels quite... vastly empty and frightening
Thoughts are ego, phantoms. Mind is a collection of thoughts, collection of phantoms, together they form a concious sense of identity, "I".

My thoughts my mind.

Self awareness happens because we create thought, we are aware we are thinking, so who is thinking? An identity we need, a collection of phantoms, a concious sense of "I".

When thought ceases self ceases. Just awareness remains.
The void, empty. This void is you, you are it, and we constantly try to fill this void up with phantoms.

Be empty. Just be. You are pure awareness.
 

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Thoughts are ego, phantoms. Mind is a collection of thoughts, collection of phantoms, together they form a concious sense of identity, "I".

My thoughts my mind.

Self awareness happens because we create thought, we are aware we are thinking, so who is thinking? An identity we need, a collection of phantoms, a concious sense of "I".

When thought ceases self ceases. Just awareness remains.
The void, empty. This void is you, you are it, and we constantly try to fill this void up with phantoms.

Be empty. Just be. You are pure awareness.

Agreed.
Excellent points Kibric.
I have noted that it is the mind also that projects onto the "Isness", onto that which is beyond definition...
bc it has an innate desire to control. The mind identified with the lower self, identity.
Yes.
So when there is fear, yes, it is just thoughts that the lower mind spun by the lower self is generating and throwing out to
maintain its reality as central. It does cease to be in stillness and that void.
Thank you.
Very Yogic.
I like.
(and I study and practice Kriya yoga)
 

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I have had huge amounts of terror at this "threshold."

Close your eyes and cross it. Jump into the abyss. If you don't do it now you'll have to do it later anyway (and then you won't have an option not to). Might as well get some practice.

:p
 

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Close your eyes and cross it. Jump into the abyss. If you don't do it now you'll have to do it later anyway (and then you won't have an option not to). Might as well get some practice.

:p

I have thought of that. The inevitability... Mr. Anderson.

Last summer (2021), where I was deeper into this than I ever had been before,
I began to feel as if I was dying. The feeling in my heart was horrible.
Like when shrooms start to kick in and you feel like you're withering and dying.
I kept "hearing/seeing" - there's no going back. This HAS to be done / faced.
 
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In my experience, speaking about psychedelic ceremonies, I find that (easier said than done) dying is the best route. Never resist. Just die!

“Those who say they will die first and then rise are in error. If they do not first receive the resurrection while they live, when they die they will receive nothing.” - Gospel of Philip

I kept "hearing/seeing" - there's no going back. This HAS to be done / faced.

That is correct. Once you have died you will never be the same again as far as I'm concerned.*

* I'm obviously speaking about symbolic/spritual death... not actual death... in fact "real" death does not exist. No one leaves this Earth dead.

:p
 

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Wild update to my terror at crossing the threshold.

Things have progressed nicely forward.
With repeated "exposure therapy", the fear diminished considerably.
Took some homeopathic remedies that helped. Did lots of visualization and meditation that helped.
And then breakthrough in awareness. Huge.

Here's what I got. It has been a painful pill to swallow but once it hit my belly and began digesting,
it's been holy.

I was born and raised Jewish from a long line.
My profile pic is a sort of inside joke I have with myself, for a lot of the old
images where artists would depict Jews deprecatingly with huge noses like that.
I find this picture from Zadkiel's publication (aka John Palmer) to look just like that, how they would depict Jews.
I am not sure if it is deliberate. I digress.

So the pill I swallowed is in recognizing the concept that the Torah, the Five Books of Moses, emanated
from a Demiurge, rather than the One True and High God of Love.
This Demiurge, as in the Gnostic definition, opposes / resists / competes with the Will of the One True God.

The beliefs of the Torah have deep and wide influence throughout the world, even outside of the Jewish people.
All of Christianity is built on top of this foundation and have an influence, though the influence of Christ trumps that out
if a Christian gets to the heart of the matter and doesn't get too heady about the Biblical word... goes right to the essence of the Sun in the Son. In Jews, especially religious Jews, the beliefs are deeply encoded. It's right in the genetic level, but, there is, of course choice in the mind, as in anything else. The deeper it is coded though, the deeper one needs to get to see the choice and to release the choice. I've felt an innate coding and I even have innate knowledge of Torah, not even having studied it that much this life, per se.
I've cherry picked some of these beliefs. For example, when my wife and I separate, one of these beliefs was circling around my head.

Hebrew (Genesis 2:18): וַיֹּ֙אמֶר֙ יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהִ֔ים לֹא־ט֛וֹב הֱי֥וֹת הָֽאָדָ֖ם לְבַדּ֑וֹ אֶֽעֱשֶׂ֥ה לּ֥וֹ עֵ֖זֶר כְּנֶגְדּֽוֹ׃

English (Genesis 2:18, NIV): The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

Now of course there are 4 layers of meaning of Torah. It's REALLY deep and rich. And this passage and Genesis in general refers to much of the mystery of alchemy. The first chapter of Genesis is an incredible coded alchemical treatise. So, there's lots to say about the Torah being under the influence of a demiurge. It's not wise to be too black and white, or to jump to immediate conclusions. I see it as an emanation of God's will - the True God - as part of a plan, and a "Game" if you will. But the reality of this has to be recognized, or else, the train keeps running in the same direction as it has for thousands of years, and where has that gotten us? I could write a heck of a lot on this... but back to the discussion at hand.

The surface level of what is written in Torah obviously can have a strong influence too, even with all the depths and mysteries. The belief I spotted floating around in my own psyche was "It's not good for the man to be alone." Period. There was the belief. I saw it in a deep meditation and recognized that it was from the Torah. I cleared and I felt totally OK being "alone" ie not hooked up anymore. That was a while ago. It planted the seed for my big big big realization that relates to this thread - Terror at Crossing the Threshold.

In the Torah, it is written many many times that one should FEAR God. :eek:
And there it is.
The belief that was very strong in me, from the Demiurgic influence of Torah, to fear God,
would get stirred up with great intensity when I sat at the threshold.
That has been the terror. The coded belief that I should fear God.
That is what has released me greatly. This recognition along with the red pill I had to swallow.

Now, in the hermetic tradition, all truths are half truths.
And so I see this "fear God" also has a half truth. For someone who does not believe in God, does not respect or take God's existence / presence seriously. Someone who walks arrogantly in themselves and has no humility. They should fear God because, well, they're totally misguided.

But... the way I see it now, the other half of this truth is that there is no way one should ever inherently fear God.
There is, in fact, nothing to fear, in God.
There is no fear in God.

Because, what is "beyond the threshold?"

Ha Ha!!
 

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That was one beautiful post. Thanks for sharing your experience.
 

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There is, in fact, nothing to fear, in God.
There is no fear in God.

”I died as a mineral and became a plant, I died as a plant and rose to animal, I died as an animal and I was Man. Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?” - Rumi
 

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Can I ask what meditations you were doing prior that began to acti ate the sensation of "letting go"
 

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Can I ask what meditations you were doing prior that began to acti ate the sensation of "letting go"
Sure. I do Kriya Yoga. I practice pranayama morning and night, and in the morning, after pranayama, I do two meditations. First is called Shuddhi, which is basically detachment from all thoughts, feelings, anything that comes up is simply observed and "released". I do that for about 5 minutes. Then I do several drawing up the seed along the spine to the crown chakra breaths. Then I sink into a Samadhi meditation. Actually, any one of these 4 stages pranayama, Shuddhi, drawing up, Samadhi can get me there. Depends on how much I decide to "go there."
 

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How long did you practise before you got the super powers?
 

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”I died as a mineral and became a plant, I died as a plant and rose to animal, I died as an animal and I was Man. Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?” - Rumi
That's a very powerful piece. Thank you Awani.
 

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How long did you practise before you got the super powers?
I'm not sure what you mean by "super powers?" :unsure:
I have, as of yet, not gotten any super powers.

Do you mean how long do I practice in a given session before I get to the place of No Thingness and All in All?
It's weird but sometimes, it can happen quite quickly as soon as I sink in.
Othertimes, I'll go through those processes and it'll come on around 30-45 minutes in.

If you mean how long, like how many years?
That's a tough one because I've been meditating since I am 13. (I am 50 now).
But for the Kriya training, it's been 8 years since the first initiation.
 

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Sure. I do Kriya Yoga. I practice pranayama morning and night, and in the morning, after pranayama, I do two meditations. First is called Shuddhi, which is basically detachment from all thoughts, feelings, anything that comes up is simply observed and "released". I do that for about 5 minutes. Then I do several drawing up the seed along the spine to the crown chakra breaths. Then I sink into a Samadhi meditation. Actually, any one of these 4 stages pranayama, Shuddhi, drawing up, Samadhi can get me there. Depends on how much I decide to "go there."
I forgot one most important thing.

Stillness.
That's the key. No matter what method I am using, it is the Stillness that is most important.
All those practices, any practices as far as I see it, are just preparations for Stillness.

Once Stillness is contacted / felt / experienced, all one has to do is "sink in" to it.
There is a mental recognition as well that there is actually in fact nothing to do.
There is no effort on the part of the little self.
The big Self IS. That is a key as well.
There is only surrender to what already IS.
 

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The saga continues.
A very excellent and fortuitous turn of events.
This part of the story demonstrates how powerful homeopathy can be for the transformation of consciousness
and for the release of old karmic issues. It is the best non-fiction I could entertain myself with.

I have consulted with clairvoyant friend of mine "Navi" about my fear at the threshold.
She has helped guide me a lot. I have reflected the parts about the Torah beliefs and she has been a great help.

Last week, some time, I sent her a Whatsapp, explaining I was feeling very strong "dissolution" in the proximity
of the abyss / black hole, what have you. Still. Again. The fear. The rage as well.
And frustration because:
A) I want to let go and set myself free. B) Part of me does not want to let go, at all.
A push-pull. She reflected this very awareness.

She had written me back last tuesday (Sept 12)
and in the afternoon, I laid down to have a nap.
As I was drifting off to sleep, about 5-6 times, each time, I'd feel the "door" (which is everywhere all around)
opening up to the infinite, but it's also dark, like an abyss.
As it was happening, I saw spirals of light moving all around. This is not the first time.
Perhaps the umpteenth time, but... it was very strong. very clear.
I've looked this symptom up many times.
But I looked it up as a "sees spirals" or "delusions; spirals" to see which remedies have and I have played around with some of those remedies, but none of them resolved the issue. (Terror at the Threshold)

I was also feeling an accompanying symptom which was very characteristic and strong.
It is the feeling of crawling on the backs of my hands.
I searched both of these symptoms again, but this time, i didn't put "sees" or "delusions" - i just put
"spirals" - and I found a remedy that I had discovered around 7 years ago, that i hadn't looked at in a while.

Dreams; spirals; moving: andri-q.

The full name of this remedy is Andricus quercuscalicis; English: Knopper oak galls.
You know, Oak galls?
Well, this remedy, has dreams of spirals... and they're moving. That is exactly what is happening.
I never thought to look up the dreams, because I am quasi awake, but it does work, since I am just drifting off to sleep when I see it.

I then looked up the crawling at the wrist, called formication:

Extremities; formication, crawling; wrists:
andri-q calc calc-acet caust.

And there is the remedy again! So two of these huge symptoms I was having is covered by this pretty niche small remedy - Oak galls.
(funny enough, the remedy calc is calcium carbonate, ha! which is prepared from an oyster shell. How ya like them apples? Anyway, that's a digression)

I looked further into the remedy and found this rubric:

Mind; delusions, imaginations; abyss; fear of falling down an:
alco andri-q carbn-s.

And there it is again.
Wow. Mind totally blown. It fits the freaking out about falling into an abyss right on the edge of sleep and wakefulness or deep meditation and when I get those "freak out" I'd see the spinning and moving spirals. Wow.
So grateful.
I happened to have it from 7-8 years ago and took it in a 1M, which is a decently potent dose.

That night, I had a powerful experience in my "part sleep / part waking state."
I told Navi, two days later, I wrote the following to her:

"I took one dose of the 1M of Oak Galls two days ago, and so far, no fear. The night after I took it, i felt the "abyss" and "fell into it in my center, like right in the pit in my chest" and i saw an inky black liquidy form of energy there for a few moments, but that was it. right in the middle of my sleep. it woke me up so i could perceive it."

Navi was amazed at the whole Oak Galls remedy and could see the shift it was bringing.

I thought nothing special of this experience in the night. It seemed normal, or like a release that came from the Oak Gall remedy.

But then, my alchemy research continued.
On all these threads going on lately -
HERE and HERE -
I was agonizing over the mystery of what Palmer refers to as the "magnet for the astral spirit" taking on the symbol of the cross.

Andro said:
Also, according to Zadkiel, the "mine of 30 years standing" is not the location for digging up the matter, but for harvesting the Astral Spirit.

That blew my mind actually. I hadn't considered that.
I began considering that the dripping waters in mines of 30 years standing...
At first, i thought it was just stalactite calcitic waters... but that didn't make total sense... as the astral spirit should be more acidic and the carbonic acid in the stalactite waters can verrrrrrryyyy slowly dissolve the limestone, but verryyyyy slowly, and doesn't fit the bit.

I thought perhaps something more of a sulfurous and acidic nature... you know, all that metallogenesis, growing of metals in the mines stuff. I began considering vitriol, copper and iron sulfate, and while I was researching that, recall that I had also recently been researching Oak Galls from the remedy I had discovered. And here's where the homeopathic magic goes next level.

I came upon some interesting articles that crossed over the two topics - of iron sulfate and Oak galls.

It turns out, there is an ink that is called Iron Gall Ink. It is black.
This was used quite commonly during the times of te middle ages(try to find this amazing artile I had read)

Here’s the text I found:
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A47656.0001.001/1:7.18?rgn=div2;view=fulltext

A course of chemistry containing an easie method of preparing those chymical medicins which are used in physick : with curious remarks and useful discourses upon each preparation, for the benefit of such who desire to be instructed in the knowledge of this art

Lémery, Nicolas, 1645-1715., Harris, Walter, 1647-1732.

CHAPTER. XVIII. Of Vitriol.

There are three sorts of Green Vitriol, the German, English, and the Roman. That of Germany draws near unto the blue, and contains a little Copper, it is better than the rest for the preparation of Aqua fortis. That of England partakes of Iron, and is proper to make the Spirit of Vitriol. The Roman is much like the English Vitriol, excepting that it is not so easie to dissolve.

Red Vitriol was brought among us a few years ago out of Germany, it is called Natural Colcothar, and is esteemed to be a Green Vitriol Calcined by some subterranean heat. It is the least common of them all, it stops Bloud, being applied to Hemorrhagies.

If you dissolve a little white, or green Vitriol (Triune One's note: iron sulfate) in water, and write with the dissolution, the writing will not be seen, but if you rub the paper with a little Cotton dipt in the decoction of Galls, it will appear legible; then if you wet a little more Cotton in Spirit of Vitriol, and pass it gently over the paper, the Ink will disappear again; and yet at last if you rub the place with a little more Cotton dipt in Oil of Tartar made per Deliquium, it will again appear legible, but of a Yellowish colour.

The reason that I can give for these effects is this, the Spirit of Vitriol dissolves a certain Coagulum which is made of Vitriol and Galls, but the Oil of Tartar breaking the force of this acid Spirit, the Coagulum recovers it self, and appears again, but because it now contains Oil of Tartar too, it acquires a new colour.

So what is shocking to me, is that, after I took the Oak Galls, it did wipe out the fear of the abyss, for sure, but I began to feel overly obsessed about finding out all the hidden secrets of alchemy. I have felt that way in the past, in fact, much of my life, as I am sure many of you will understand and have felt equally. However, it was heightened to a pitch, like a manic feeling of obsession. Not peaceful.

One of the brothers here, with whom I was communicating, had told me, at the same time I was considering the copper or iron vitriols for the work, that he was sure the matter in the Quartet was marcasite… which is, of course, iron sulfide (Moshe's edit note, which was pointed out below by Andro.) (I will not mention the name of the brother, as I have not his permission to do so, but he is welcome to come forth if/when he reads this)

So putting this all together, after I took the Oak gall remedy, I began feeling more obsessed, needing to find the answer to secrets hidden in the alchemical texts. To me, the iron gall ink perfectly exemplifies this. When I read that text "Of Vitriol," shared in the above quote, it became a strong notion to me that the iron gall ink was so very likely used to send secret messages. It could be written in iron sulfate, then it would only appear when someone would rub Oak gallic acid, whereupon another party could then make it disappear by rubbing spirit of vitriol on it...and so on and so forth. Perfect method for the adept philosopher's to pass secret messages to each other.

This substance, iron gall ink, to me, in homeopathic speak, it's essence, represents secrets in alchemy, kept secret among the elite, from the unwashed masses. And here I am, a pleb with great desire to know the secrets of this club I am not invited into, obsessing over the secrets kept in these texts… and then my friend tells me about marcasite while I am also intensely researching vitriol.

What this forum brother had also written about in the correspondence was the following:

My suspicion is that you're placing too much importance in the old texts.
Might it help to remind you that those texts were never written to teach plebs like us how to perform their art, but rather to communicate to each other that they know how to do it.

And this next, when I recalled the experience the night after taking the Oak Galls remedy... this is the icing on the cake:

- I took one dose of the 1M two days ago, and so far, no fear. the night after i took it, i felt the "abyss" and "fell into it in my center, like right in the pit in my chest" and i saw an inky black liquidy form of energy there for a few moments, but that was it. right in the middle of my sleep. it woke me up so i could perceive it.

That is the Iron gall ink! That is more precisely the correct remedy for me. It might be considered a complement, because the Oak galls certainly are so precise.
but to be obsessing about alchemical secrets. to be placing too much importance on the texts, to be researching iron sulfate and Oak galls...

What a blessing!! I am so very grateful for this amazing creation and this experience of life.
what a wonder. Incredible!

Then another piece of the puzzle clicked into place.
This ink had become discontinued because it was discovered that it was etching the parchment it was written on.
Corroding and etching it.

And then it hit me.

This homeopathic remedy (prepared from Iron gall ink) would be perfect for those who have studied texts, like the Torah, the Bible, the Quran, Alchemy texts, and these texts have become "etched" into their mind, creating a deep imprint of the beliefs in the texts.
Remember when I wrote in an earlier post on this thread that I saw how all these beliefs in Torah had been etched into my mind?
Well... Thank you God for this substance in Nature that mirrors this predicament that I and others like myself can get ourselves into, where we have etched in our minds the writings of sacred texts and our minds become imprinted, etched with the limiting beliefs of those texts.
Where we place too much emphasis on the text and don't trust the inner instinct enough.
Where we obsess over finding secrets, and these secrets have a particular quality to being reserved for a special "elite" class of "illuminati" who could share secrets invisibly with each other, just to bring them to visibility, with chemistry, which back then, was probably quite avant garde and exciting. The whole mystique of alchemy itself is all shrouded in this sort of elite club feel, which is why I am so grateful for this brotherly love that is happening and quickening now on this forum. I can feel it strongly.

This remedy does not yet exist in our homeopathic repertory, but I have no doubt, it will be of service to me, and others, who have this similar, yet potentially quite rare, list of spiritual and intellectual issues. I will have it made up at a homeopathic pharmacy, so it can be of service to others who might stumble upon these words in this remote corner of the world.
 
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marcasite… which is, of course, iron sulfate
Actually it's an Iron Sulfide.

One of the brothers here, with whom I was communicating, had told me, at the same time I was considering the copper or iron vitriols for the work, that he was sure the matter in the Quartet was marcasite
So which one is it, in your view? You seemed to be quite convinced of Calcium compounds in the not-too-distant past...

Also, ICH's Naturweg is quite explicit in stating that the "Magnet" comes from a living human.
 

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Actually it's an Iron Sulfide.

oh yes. my mistake. thank you.

So which one is it, in your view? You seemed to be quite convinced of Calcium compounds in the not-too-distant past...

Well, the synchronicity is very strong around the marcasite. with the iron gall ink.
I have often noticed and been "told" (internally), that the homeopathic remedy states I have witnessed inside me
have coincided with matters of the Stone. So, it would seem a strong candidate for marky mark.

One thing that I hadn't reconciled in the Zadkiel art is now more comprehensible.

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the red soldier and the red dude pickaxing are clear indications.

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However, the alkali principle... an earth with an alkali principle. Hmm....
Our Venus, in this case. The cave could be depicting either.
I don't see the breakdown elements of Marky to really embody the alkali principle.
However, the oxide of Mark, yes. slightly.

The "one matter" doesn't apply to every path.
So I am undecided.

Is there not room for two in a chemical wedding?

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From Wikipedia:

Marcasite can be formed as both a primary or a secondary mineral. It typically forms under low-temperature, highly acidic conditions. It occurs in sedimentary rocks (shales, limestones and low grade coals) as well as in low temperature hydrothermal veins. Commonly associated minerals include pyrite, pyrrhotite, galena, sphalerite, fluorite, dolomite, and calcite.

As a primary mineral marcasite forms nodules, concretions, and crystals in a variety of sedimentary rock, such as in the chalk layers found on both sides of the English Channel at Dover, Kent, England, and at Cap Blanc-Nez, Pas de Calais, France, where it forms as sharp individual crystals and crystal groups, and nodules.