Telomeres & Longevity

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children can eat anything or nothing
they do not pray, meditate or exercise
& still they are jumping all day...

well, but then there is a shift; some think that it will "start" with producing generative things, but could be time coincidence
until then they are transmutative enough
Mt 18:3 ))
 

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Are you sure horticult? Because I’ve seen children pray and meditate more naturally than most priests!

More importantly, what do you mean be “ “start with producing generative things”?
 

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Spend some time with children, they are exhausting. Running, climbing and all manner of natural exercise.
As we get older we tend to slow down, we lose interest and hence we get old.

Ask yourself, when was the last time you climbed a tree?

I have read a lot on Telomerase/Telomeres and ageing, but that is just one of many factors involved.
Old age and death will never evolve out naturally, it is not a decisive factor of our survival as we procreate before we get old and die.
If we didn't procreate until we reached a thousand years old then we would be living that long now or perish. Death is just a genetic disease
that comes to us in old age, I'm sure it can be cured, but should we?

Inhibiting telomere shortening drastically increases the risk of cancers.

Fountain of Youth? Young Blood Infusions “Rejuvenate” Old Mice

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Spend some time with children, they are exhausting. Running, climbing and all manner of natural exercise.
As we get older we tend to slow down, we lose interest and hence we get old.

Ask yourself, when was the last time you climbed a tree?

I have read a lot on Telomerase/Telomeres and ageing, but that is just one of many factors involved.
Old age and death will never evolve out naturally, it is not a decisive factor of our survival as we procreate before we get old and die.
If we didn't procreate until we reached a thousand years old then we would be living that long now or perish. Death is just a genetic disease
that comes to us in old age, I'm sure it can be cured, but should we?


Inhibiting telomere shortening drastically increases the risk of cancers.

Fountain of Youth? Young Blood Infusions “Rejuvenate” Old Mice
I think the answer to that lies within the spirit of each individual alchemist.
 

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Are you sure horticult? Because I’ve seen children pray and meditate more naturally than most priests!

More importantly, what do you mean be “ “start with producing generative things”?

pretty sure
kids who did not these things are basically equally vital like those praying etc
but when we are older...

"Puberty is the process of physical changes through which a child's body matures into an adult body capable of sexual reproduction. It is initiated by hormonal signals from the brain to the gonads: the ovaries in a girl, the testes in a boy." wiki
 

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you do not climb coz you do not have surplus of energy
coz your transmutative system is losing efficiency

spirit-mercury-vital energy

cg. crowley´s record of his rejuvenation & unthought-of consequences
 

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Quoth Pink Floyd:

When I was a child
I caught a fleeting glimpse
Out of the corner of my eye
I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown
The dream is gone
I have become comfortably numb
 

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Im loving the idea of ozone water. Also loving the idea of 0.0 cholesterol.

Where did you buy your ozone machine?

Edit : sorry if this is the wrong thread. Ive lost track whats going on with all the new threads...
 

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Just so everyone is aware, cholesterol does play a small part in human health: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/cholesterol/2012/292598/

Cholesterol is tightly regulated between the major brain cells—neurons and glia, that is, astrocytes, microglia, and oligodendrocytes—and is essential for normal brain development. Cholesterol is required for synapse and dendrite formation [4, 5], and for axonal guidance [6]. Cholesterol depletion leads to synaptic and dendritic spine degeneration, failed neurotransmission, and decreased synaptic plasticity [7]
 

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Just so everyone is aware, cholesterol does play a small part in human health: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/cholesterol/2012/292598/
20 years ago cholesterol was considered lethal and was the cause of heart disease, now it's considered necessary and there are good types and bad types. It's all dependent on what big pharma and the FDA are promoting this year.
Fat was considered bad, then some fats were considered good, then all fats were bad but now were not sure. It depends what big pharma are selling.
BTW my Ozone is a Hug flight and I bought it online.
I'm not saying 0.0 is good or bad, I just reported what happened to the forum.
 

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"Cholesterol is a fatty substance, also known as a lipid, which is found in every cell in the body. Although we often hear about the dangers of cholesterol, it is in fact vital in the structure and functioning of our cells. The amount of cholesterol the body makes is directly related to the amount of saturated fats and trans fats consumed so diet can certainly affect cholesterol levels but, if the body needs cholesterol it will make more or recycle it on its own. That’s how important cholesterol is in the body. Both high and low levels of cholesterol can adversely affect one’s health so cholesterol balance or healthy cholesterol levels is the goal."

Cholesterol – Why We Can’t Live Without It

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"Cholesterol is a fatty substance, also known as a lipid, which is found in every cell in the body. Although we often hear about the dangers of cholesterol, it is in fact vital in the structure and functioning of our cells. The amount of cholesterol the body makes is directly related to the amount of saturated fats and trans fats consumed so diet can certainly affect cholesterol levels but, if the body needs cholesterol it will make more or recycle it on its own. That’s how important cholesterol is in the body. Both high and low levels of cholesterol can adversely affect one’s health so cholesterol balance or healthy cholesterol levels is the goal."

Cholesterol – Why We Can’t Live Without It

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I could agree with that since I haven't read much into it. I only reported the level of cholesterol in my blood at the time of the test. If what you say is true then presumably the Ozone has removed fatty substances out of my blood. All I know is that I didn't die or feel unwell.
Perhaps these folks might know about it: [link broken]
 

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20 years ago cholesterol was considered lethal and was the cause of heart disease, now it's considered necessary and there are good types and bad types. It's all dependent on what big pharma and the FDA are promoting this year.
Fat was considered bad, then some fats were considered good, then all fats were bad but now were not sure. It depends what big pharma are selling.
BTW my Ozone is a Hug flight and I bought it online.
I'm not saying 0.0 is good or bad, I just reported what happened to the forum.

Haha yes I can agree with you, western medicine doesn’t know how to interpret data.

But, I didn’t want people to think that because you had experienced something while taking a preparation means that they can stop eating foods with cholesterol to get the same effect.

My thoughts are similar to yours, in that the blood stream has been cleared of excess cholesterol, and perhaps your body is better at using the cholesterol. Also, if it has done this for one compound, it has probably happened with others as well. Did you get complete blood work information? It would be interesting to hear about other levels.

If you feel perfectly fine, who am I to argue? Lol
Heath is according to the individual, and not a universal standard.

I would be interested in seeing what the next examination says about you though :)
 

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Haha yes I can agree with you, western medicine doesn’t know how to interpret data.

But, I didn’t want people to think that because you had experienced something while taking a preparation means that they can stop eating foods with cholesterol to get the same effect.

My thoughts are similar to yours, in that the blood stream has been cleared of excess cholesterol, and perhaps your body is better at using the cholesterol. Also, if it has done this for one compound, it has probably happened with others as well. Did you get complete blood work information? It would be interesting to hear about other levels.

If you feel perfectly fine, who am I to argue? Lol
Heath is according to the individual, and not a universal standard.

I would be interested in seeing what the next examination says about you though :)

Actually I'm going for a full medical on Tuesday afternoon as it happens. Here is what some claim in Ozone therapy: [link broken]

Lots of sites like that across the world but then you run into the FDA who are prosecuting the use of Ozone. Mind you, the FDA banned the bitter almond tree from the United States after people were using B17 as a cancer treatment so I tend to believe the FDA are in fact big pharma, who can't patent natural products. They also chased Rick Simpson around the planet for claiming Cannabis oils can be used to treat cancer. Again you can't patent Cannabis because it is unlawful to patent natural occurring products. So be very aware of the FDA, they represent big pharma.
 

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Interesting stuff.

I’ve read that cancers, bacteria, fungus, etc, can’t survive in an oxygenated environment. They produce bio films in order to block gasotransmitter pathways which otherwise would drive them out. I can certainly see Ozone being an effective medicine in the proper dosage routine.
 

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Years ago I read "Hermetic Science Of Motion And Number" and years later I realised the chapter on the rhythm of life was true. The ultimate cause of ageing is accumulation of waste products in the body including calcification which hinders our cells from vibrating in tune with the rhythm of life. When your cells can no longer resonate with this cosmic energy they decay, the harmonic rhythm of life that brings order is replaced by the unharmonic rhythm of death which brings disorder and decay.

https://archive.org/stream/Hermetic...on-and-Number_-_A-S-Raleigh#page/n73/mode/2up
 

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he ultimate cause of ageing is accumulation of waste products in the body including calcification which hinders our cells from vibrating in tune with the rhythm of life.

So we basically need an enema at cellular level... We need to start micro-shitting...
 

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So we basically need an enema at cellular level... We need to start micro-shitting...

That thing is the philosophers stone, when consumed it causes the cells to vibrate and they shake off the crud. Someone who consumes the stone will go through a great purge. Think of a church bell that has not been rung for hundreds of years and a thick layer of crud/dirt has settled on it. Strike that bell and the vibration will shake all the crap off.
 

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That thing is the philosophers stone, when consumed it causes the cells to vibrate and they shake off the crud. Someone who consumes the stone will go through a great purge. Think of a church bell that has not been rung for hundreds of years and a thick layer of crud/dirt has settled on it. Strike that bell and the vibration will shake all the crap off.

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So we basically need an enema at cellular level... We need to start micro-shitting...

Ive read that this micro ahitting occurs on a raw food diet with no meat or dairy at about day 72. Its the only known method to cure the herpies virus, once the body has detoxed on a macro level, and if the digestive system is left alone, then the body flicks the switch and enters cellular detox mode; whoch of course has its own array of side effects and benefits.

Also, cholesterols are what the body uses as signaling molecules so that cells can "talk" to each other. Im not sure of the importance of these, as there are many other signaling molecules to choose from.

Its an interesting field of science thats for sure; for instance, the Reshi mushroom has a particular molecule only found in the reshi mushroom that acts as both a signalling molecule and a steroid.. gangonic acid??

Rosemary has these aswell... you see, if we wipe out the fats, and have a balanced diet of natures gifts; we will replace these molecules with others that work more efficiently in the body.... in my opinion.. i auppose its hard to "directly experience" this type of thing....
 

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I ended up on this thread recently - still don't remember how but the folklore tale about John Hussey of Sydenham made me chuckle (I had to search "Sydenham" on the forums to find the thread again).

Also I thought I would mention my experience with lemon balm and peppermint (both are of the mint family). Both I have found to be potent aphrodisiacs, increasing desire rather quickly after ingestion. I haven't studied herbal medicine or anything, but given that I also experienced a similar result with fennel - kind of like a heat beneath the belly button which both leads to improved digestion and the aforementioned increase in desire - I am led to believe that there is some kind of centre near the belly button which is "activated" by certain herbs. Indeed, other herbs activate intellect rather than stomach, for example, which may be due to their resonance with an "intellect centre" rather higher up in the body?

Personally, I have not experienced any increase in intellect whatsoever through lemon balm. Not even an increased intellectual subtlety, as I did with ginkgo biloba. So, in my opinion, lemon balm isn't really as great as those of the past have made it seem. It definitely seems to have built itself an illustrious history, what with Carmelite water and Paracelsus calling it the "elixir of life" or something, but it just didn't live up to this title in my experience. Actually, it just seems to be a weaker version of peppermint.

So please, do yourself a favour and ignore the forms. I know it makes lemon balm more romantic to know that it was viewed so highly by Paracelsus and used by Carmelite monks in the middle ages, but if something doesn't work for you, no amount of propaganda will ever allow you to benefit from it. So listen to the alchemists and learn from nature (part of which is your own self and how you react to herbs) and ignore the forms.

Edit: The above is slightly one-sided. To its credit, lemon balm does certainly seem to remove anger as one of the old herbalists claims in his book. Also, as with peppermint, the aphrodisiac effect is only at the beginning, seemingly related with its digestive benefits. This soon disappears and you are left with the "true" effect of the herb, which lasts longer. So for example, peppermint will be heating at first then very cool. I haven't experienced the same effect with lemon balm: it is slightly heating at first, yes, but the effect seems to remain afterwards as well. In fact, the effect of the herb is so subtle that I am tempted to call it Temperance. So maybe those folklore tales about John Hussey and others have some truth in them. Perhaps even "elixir of life" is meant with respect to this overall temperance which is seems to affect in the body.

Anyway, the reason for the edit is that, as usual (unfortunately) I seem to have been a bit hasty with my initial judgement. I haven't given lemon balm enough time to be able to judge so decisively, especially given its extremely subtle, almost unnoticeable effect (at least to me). I may update this post once I have more experience with this herb.
 
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Hi Tannur

Personally, I have not experienced any increase in intellect whatsoever through lemon balm. Not even an increased intellectual subtlety, as I did with ginkgo biloba. So, in my opinion, lemon balm isn't really as great as those of the past have made it seem. It definitely seems to have built itself an illustrious history, what with Carmelite water and Paracelsus calling it the "elixir of life" or something, but it just didn't live up to this title in my experience. Actually, it just seems to be a weaker version of peppermint.

Did you prepare a spagyric or alchemic preparation of the Lemon Balm ?

The Carmelites and Paracelsus most probably did.
 

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Hi Tannur



Did you prepare a spagyric or alchemic preparation of the Lemon Balm ?

The Carmelites and Paracelsus most probably did.
Hi black

No, that is another one of my mistakes. You are right that they probably prepared a tincture or similar. But I have not personally had any problems testing the effect of herbs on the body just by preparing a strong tea.

A few more things I have noticed about lemon balm:
-Has a definite joy-promoting effect
-Purifies the lungs/eases breathing
-Very calming - mixed it with coffee and it completely blunted the anxiety effect leaving me with a nice, calm focus. But almost too calming on its own I believe. When I first tried it I had it on its own and I wasn't really able to be as productive as usual. This probably isn't helped by its joy-promoting effect. You sort of just want to relax and take it easy if taken on its own, at least in my experience. (I am talking about instant coffee by the way - I am aware that actual coffee itself has a calming effect in the beginning.)
-Again, no noticeable specific effect on the brain. I am not sure why it earned the title of "Scholar's herb" in the medieval times. Maybe someone else can advise?

Anyway, so after trying the coffee+balm thing, I have noticed that it is similar to green tea, but much less cooling. Or maybe the less cooling quality is due to the seasons getting warmer - I haven't taken green tea for a while now. Given that I always had a problem with green tea + coffee being too "cold" I am glad to have discovered lemon balm.