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. Spiritus Mundi

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For myself, I've been reading the alchemical works on and off for the past 10-15 years and lots of other stuff prior to that. I would still say I'm a newbie but I've known about the primary processes (distillation, separation, calcination sublimation etc etc) for many years now.
When I started, alone, unguided trying to make sense of the cryptic and allegorical texts it made my head spin. I'd reach saturation point after a day or two and have to walk away and then come back another time. Each time little snippets made more sense. Small steps got me to my current understanding which is still very infant compared to many here.

Hi Pilgrim

There are many here that believe they know quite a bit about Alchemy but not
many at all have passed through that Open Door.

Lots of talk but little results and as for testing results .... thats almost unheard of.
 

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Hi Pilgrim

There are many here that believe they know quite a bit about Alchemy but not
many at all have passed through that Open Door.

Lots of talk but little results and as for testing results .... thats almost unheard of.
How very true, and how incredibly fortunate we are to have you here, to give us all some real and substantial "alchemic" guidance, especially given your extensive knowledge of what everyone else is exactly doing in their labs. Yawn.
 

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How very true, and how incredibly fortunate we are to have you here, to give us all some real and substantial "alchemic" guidance, especially given your extensive knowledge of what everyone else is exactly doing in their labs. Yawn.
Thank you for your kind words Lakshmana.

Such a shame we don't have great Adept Alchemists here like Robert A Bartlett
David Hudson or Robert Cox.

Yes I am being facetious !!!

Perhaps you Lakshmana could tell everyone what you know to be true about Alchemy
theory / Practice that you have personally achieved and Tested ????

Yes I did say Alchemy .... not pyramids, ormus, bent copper wire or stale buckets of piss.

Lets hear about some real Alchemy from you ..... Please.
 

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Lets hear about some real Alchemy from you ..... Please.
You sound triggered. Are you?

I'm not the one claiming to be mentored by some ałl-knowing alpha omega whatever.

I'm not the one hijacking every other thread, correcting everyone and claiming to know what everyone is or isn't working with.

I'm not the one with the rigid, narrow and dogmatic views about where and how we can concentrate SM (Spiritus Mundi).

I'm not the one posting vague platitudes with no actual substance.

I'm not the one deflecting the hard questions and only replying to the low hanging fruit questions.

You are.

The burden of proof rests with the claimant. So?
 

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The burden of proof rests with the claimant. So?
If you had any genuine understanding of Alchemy Theory / Practice then you would
recognise I have given all the proof that is needed.

If you had even the slightest knowledge of SM (Spiritus Mundi) you would then
have a clear understanding of what I write .... But you don't comprehend anything
that I write about Spiritus Mundi or Alchemy because you don't know what it is.
 

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It should be clear now to the reader. I tried to warn you all. I reccomend you dont engage and the mods will let his crap fill up every thread.
 

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Reading this discussion I really felt like this passage of the Golden Chain of Homer (which in my opinion is one of the most great works of alchemy despite it's outer appearence as more spagyrical) to be of interest, it is for me perhaps one of the biggest nuggets in the text. Id love to see more reference to source material here, although many posts are very enlightening without it. I have highlighted some key parts but really all the passages here are important.




In reply to EM's excellent discourse on the rising and sinking of qi and the condensation of spirit as found in our water cycle I think the above shows points are super important. There will be more relevant as the passage goes on.


This speaks to the gradual fixing of spirit into matter, different matters may be weak in terms of spirit but worked on properly slowly change the matter from within. It is said in Recreations that the work detailed in there takes 150 philosophical days. When one understand this right that is a lot of days. It is obviously a slow process of the matter and not some instant spiritus mundi. Not saying there aren't shortcuts but very good and reliable texts tell us there is a slow way. Why is it slow?



This reminds me of black's comments re porridge, which in some respects I think is actually similar to the way I've been working but distinctly different too. Does this passage agree with black's statement?:

"Put part A in a very, very strong glass vessel then add part B, seal the vessel firmly and place in a warm heat.

Then sit back and watch as nature does all the work e.g. the blackness and all the colors,
etc, etc."

A note, I'm not saying you don't work alchemically black. I think some of your strong statements about certain matters and procedures to be a bit strange though. Yet I don't have the stone so take with that what one will.

The passage continues:



I could keep going, this whole section is absolutely full of gems, many of which speak to discourse and disagreement that has been occurring on the forum over a few topics. Will this make any difference? Probably not but to anyone who finds the above as interesting, insightful and enlightening as myself then all the better.
I cant find this anyway in the golden chain on alchemytexts. What source are you using?
 

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I recently read most of golden chain 1 & 2 Rams.
The principles are wonderfully structuring.
I highly recommend working trough it.
 

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Everytime I read it it peels back a new layer. I find myself rereading it once a year or so.
 

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If we use a magnet to collect SM... Does the magnet then become the work or do we distill off our spirit and begin the work with the spirit separately. Can the spirit even be distilled from a magnet. Logic suggests to me that it would permanently merge and become inseperable, meaning that whatever you have chosen as your magnet, is basically also what you have chosen as your prima Materia.

I cant recall anyone really discussing this openly before. I'm curious others thoughts on the matter.
 

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If we use a magnet to collect SM... Does the magnet then become the work or do we distill off our spirit and begin the work with the spirit separately. Can the spirit even be distilled from a magnet. Logic suggests to me that it would permanently merge and become inseperable, meaning that whatever you have chosen as your magnet, is basically also what you have chosen as your prima Materia.

I cant recall anyone really discussing this openly before. I'm curious others thoughts on the matter.

A very interesting enquiry EM. My thoughts on the matter are that the sections of the Golden Chain I put above are relevant here. The magnet and spirit come together, fixed and volatile are permanently changed. What is required stays with the matter, what is superfluous flies away and slowly, as evidenced by the inner fire, the matter begins to change.
 

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Does the magnet then become the work or do we distill off our spirit and begin the work with the spirit separately. Can the spirit even be distilled from a magnet. Logic suggests to me that it would permanently merge and become inseperable, meaning that whatever you have chosen as your magnet, is basically also what you have chosen as your prima Materia.
Interesting question, and frankly I'm surprised it doesn't get asked more often.
I agree with you that logic says the magnet salt and HIM would become very difficult to separate.

I've noticed though that regarding the acetate path/s, when you destructively distill an acetate salt, it condenses as the liquid solvent of acetone.
So in that case of the acetate path/s the magnet salt becomes the spirit.
 

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If we use a magnet to collect SM... Does the magnet then become the work or do we distill off our spirit and begin the work with the spirit separately. Can the spirit even be distilled from a magnet. Logic suggests to me that it would permanently merge and become inseperable, meaning that whatever you have chosen as your magnet, is basically also what you have chosen as your prima Materia.

I cant recall anyone really discussing this openly before. I'm curious others thoughts on the matter.
Good day,
At first the body and the celestial salt are still separate, and you can separate it by distillation, only once you fixed the living silver into the body, will it permanently change the body.

Kind regards
 

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Ahhh that makes sense. So the spirit is only united to the body via putrifaction right?
 

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Ahhh that makes sense. So the spirit is only united to the body via putrifaction right?
The body is imperfect and should be purified by means of The Universal Fire. so that one can replace the soul with a perfect one..
its all about knowing how to use the 4 elements.
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If we use a magnet to collect SM... Does the magnet then become the work or do we distill off our spirit and begin the work with the spirit separately. Can the spirit even be distilled from a magnet. Logic suggests to me that it would permanently merge and become inseperable, meaning that whatever you have chosen as your magnet, is basically also what you have chosen as your prima Materia.

I cant recall anyone really discussing this openly before. I'm curious others thoughts on the matter.

This next is from Zadkiel - aka John Palmer.

By this means our matter becomes incorporated and combined with the generative essence of nature, contained in our water; in this manner, by frequent imbibitions and desinations, our matter becomes dead and putrifies, and in putrifying it arises again to a more perfect state of existence, according to the universal law of sublunary things.

It must not be supposed that because the matter becomes dry, that it retains nothing of the virtue of the former imbibitions: it merely looses the aqueous part; and I will endeavour to prove this to those who ma not understand the science of Chemistry, and yet be inclined to study the art of Alchemy. I will take for example the formation of Glauber's salt:

If you take a portion of Caustic or Carbonate of Soda, on one part, and some Sulphuric Acid on the other, and you imbibe the Soda with the Acid, they will mutually neutralize one another, and you will obtain a liquid which is neither acid nor alkaline; and an intimate and electrical combination will have taken place between the two bodies from this liquid. By evaporation you may obtain crystals, which will be composed of one part or atom of Soda, two of Acid, and twenty of Water: if you suffer these crystals to dry, or even if you calcine them, you will never be able to make them loose more than the 20 parts of water; the Acid will remain in a fixed and solid state with the calcined salt. So we must conceive the theory of our imbibitions ; when our matter dries, it still retains to itself the astral essence contained in our water .

the acidum (astral spirit) neutralizes the alkali (our matter).
 

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i just realized that last reply doesn't quite answer your question Elixirmixer but addresses more the question of what occurs in making the magnet.

Way I see it, once the acidum neutralizes the alkali, we then have our magnet.
the magnet becomes more and more infused with astral spirit. Ghetto's HIM.
with each eagle, it becomes more and more fixed into the magnet, until its ready for action.