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Yeahhhh that is an obvious connection I have overlooked. Thankyou very much for that. Very practical information.

Well I look forward to continuing this conversation soon after I have verified my own ponderings. Im left a little speechless right now. Lots of great symbols to meditate on.
 

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I have a question; if anyone can answer.
Does SM pull sulfur from the air or q.e. to become "baby q.e."
Turning it a golden color if it is not in a perfectly sealed container?
I think it likely balances out with whatever it is attracted to (the sulfur) and does not have the properties of pure SM after this happens.
Can it then be separated in a short period in small quantities in strong concentration(assuming the right setup to "catch" and isolate it) to display the aggressive qualities black is describing when it meets its subject (Gold). (dissolving, turning yellow) or its "equal" the purified sulfur/salt which turns them both black. I think the archaeus of water could be a key here.. to pull a pure SM from a good SM containing substance. Fire of Fire makes sense.

Salt water does this (pulling a golden color from the air) with enough dissolve and coagulate. Seems to pull color from the air incrementally and will turn gold/brown, even reddish with time.

What do you guys think?
 

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Here's the actual mechanics:

A genuine "Spiritus" is sulfur-poor, so it is "hungry" for it. It will intimately embed itself into the matter it is mixed with, and while the matter becomes more "reincrudated" or "universalized", the "Spiritus" becomes more "specified", by acquiring (not "extracting") the matter's Sulfur(s). It's a kind of trade-off, metaphysically speaking.

However, a GENUINE Universal Mercurial Spiritus doesn't "extract" anything. If your alleged SM readily "extracts" anything, you have a tincture-extracting menstruum, not an actual bonafied SM corporification. Which is cool. But it's NOT "alchemic". Sorry.

Although, with a generous interpretation in a wider sense of the word, we could label it an "extraction". But this is not the best description of what actually occurs. It's more of a "melding".

Only after the Spiritus and the Matter are "satiated" with each other (for lack of the better term), can we obtain an Alchemical Philosophical Mercury, of which there is a more volatile/Lunar fraction and a more fixed/Solar fraction. Those are nourished and rendered in sequence from the matter, Lunar fraction first. That's why it's important NOT to mix the Spiritus with specified matters, because it will itself become somewhat "specified" in the process. This is the reason that the best matter to work with is the Central Salt (hidden from sight but present in pretty much everything), which is truly Universal because it contains "Nature's Stem Cells" rather than already specified Sulfurs.

Here's the classic sequence:
  • Spiritus intimately embeds itself into the Universal Matter and starts awakening/reincrudating it.
  • A Universal Sulfur begins to "emerge" from the Dormant Seeds (of the Soon and the Loon) contained in the Matter.
  • ("Dormant" because they are lacking Agency and are therefore quite inert.) See the "Sleeping Beauty" allegory.
  • The Lunar Fraction of the Sulfur is rendered first, which is our "White" Philosophical Mercury.
  • The White Ph. Mercury in turn nourishes and eventually renders the Solar Fraction, i.e. the "Red" Philosophical Mercury.
  • Afterwards, the Red and the White (Solar & Lunar Mercuries) are united into the "Trinity" of Sol, Luna & Spiritus.
  • This is the first, unmultiplied Ph. Stone.
  • To multiply it, we re-reincrudate it, and we feed it first with its own Milk and later with its own Blood.
As the saying goes, "Milk for Babes & Meat for Strong Men".
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This is the "classical" sequence for the Universal Way, but there may be multiple variations to it. Some practitioners, for example, prefer to incarnate the Lunar and the Solar Mercuries separately, in different matters, and unite them afterwards.

Note: When Spiritus and Gold mix intimately, the gold is NOT "dissolved" in the traditional way. A "Chymical" Menstruum would do that, but not a Universal Spirit.

Magistral post.

This is the kind of post that I really adore to read!

I must pose some questions after this, please correct me if I'm wrong. If you can't respond, it's ok. I will respect your wish.
  • I understand the Universal Matter as a "plastic envelope" that will gather the essence of the two seeds. A universal magnet?
  • It seems to work by rejoice. As Nature rejoices in Nature; the Spirit rejoices in the Spirit. The Universal Sulfur is the first tangible consequence of the first cause, our Central Salt?
Thank you, for your sharing!
C. :)
 

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However I have never heard anything from black to indicate that he is utilising these ways, and it stands to reason then, at least where I'm looking from, that while Mr Black has the years and knowledge to conduct various stages of the alchemical process, he doesn't have the Celestial Nitre required to give strength to his work.
If you can work the Alchemic Process through the black and the color stages to the
Red Oil then that is all that is required for the initial process.

If you want to increase your Alchemic work in strength then you will need to be
able to work the Alchemic Processes of Multiplication.

Usually this has nothing to do with Alchemic medicinal Tinctures as the human body
can take many years to adjust to increases in Frequency from the basic Tincture.

The Alchemist will start with one drop of Tincture in half a glass of water/day.

Our bodies and consciousness cannot transition from Man to Divine Man overnight.

As the Alchemist Evolves over time he is then required to Work Alchemy with Theurgy continually elevating his Frequency and Power of Frequency.

It would seem that quite a few have made some form of stone, but alas, not with supernatural power.
Hey Mr. Mixer ... Please tell me how you would know that ?
And THAT is the entire reason I haven't bothered to get in the lab in so many years now, because my intention is to master these preliminaries, internally, before trying to progress, since my final goal is to make a stone that actually has the virtue expressed by the Sages, and not just the 'Baby Version'.
I can only suggest that you take baby steps Mr. Mixer .... a good place to start is by
collecting some Pure SM (Spiritus Mundi) then continue from there. :)
 

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  • I understand the Universal Matter as a "plastic envelope" that will gather the essence of the two seeds. A universal magnet?
  • The Universal Sulfur is the first tangible consequence of the first cause, our Central Salt?
1. It can be made into a "Magnet" when awakened by Agency. In its "usual" state, it is quite inert, though.

2. We could put it this way, if you ask me. But the "Central Salt" is not really the "first cause", it just has the 2 "universal" seeds incorporated in itself, also often referred to as the 2 Central Fires (ICH) or the 2 Metallic Natures (Cyliani).
 

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The Alchemist will start with one drop of Tincture in half a glass of water/day.
I would have gone with a 2012 vintage Malbec 😉

Let's see how the spring time goes and take it from there. I generate an artificial spring time myself but I personally don't function very well in the cold 🥶
 

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There are a few (IMO) major points I would like to reiterate and suggest for everyone's consideration.

Regarding the Universal "Matter" or "Patient": After learning various methods for obtaining the alchemical Agent (Spiritus Mundi, Astral Spirit, Celestial Niter, etc), I increasingly realized the significance (in terms of Quality) of the Patient Matter that must also enter the Alchemical Equation. While various matters can be worked with (indeed, the Seeds of Nature are present in all unprocessed matter), there is a "Primordial" Matter ("Virgin Earth" or "Adamic Earth", etc.) which can be separated from all the other matters in which it is "hidden". Some methods of separating this "Universal Matter" are more violent and destructive, others are gentle and relatively easy.

Many practitioners work with various legit matters containing this Universal Matter, but there will be more "feces" to be discarded in the process. And the good alchemical texts all tell us that this matter is everywhere, and they are all correct. This Universal Matter, awakened, reincrudated and nourished by the Alchemical Agent, then becomes our "Saturn" or our "Antimony" or our "Prima Materia" (symbolized by a cross within a circle, i.e. "Niter/Agent" & "Salt/Patient"), it becomes our "Magnet" or our "Magnesia", which will henceforth serve as the Material Alchemical "Vessel" to eventually be evolved into a full-fledged Philosopher's Stone.

Regarding the Universal Agent or "Astral Spirit" or "Celestial Niter": For anything to be manifest/corporified/incorporated, we always require the Sulfur Principle. It is what allows for tangible fixation and formation of all matter, and for the expression of the ONE THING in diversity and multiplicity. When corporifying the Universal Spirit, the "rules" are the same as they are for all matter. A Sulfur Principle is required. We must abide by this inevitable "trade-off". The is NO such thing as "pure SM". There will always be a "signature" of the fixing Sulfur Principle. And the more subtle our fixing Sulfur Principle is, the less pronounced the signature and the less "specified" our Agent will be.

For example, a predominantly Lunar Sulfur is better, because it is more subtle and volatile than a Solar one. That's why it is sometimes said that our Spiritus, while gender-less in its incorporeal state, is more "female" (i.e. lunar) upon its first/initial corporification. It only later acquires the Solar Component, e.g. "Diana" and "Apollo". This is also the reason I tend to somewhat differentiate between a super-subtle Celestial Niter/Astral Spirit and a "Mineral Mercury". While they are all basically carriers/containers/incorporating vehicles for Spiritus Mundi, a "Mineral Mercury" will carry more "signature" and specification from the Mineral Sulfur(s).

Many Alchemists are extracting such Mineral Mercuries from so-called "White Metals" or "White Minerals", because of their more subtle and volatile Lunar Sulfurs, and then proceed to "extract" the more Solar Sulfur from the more Red/Solar Metals, gold being a favorite for many because of its high quality Sulfur. One such Path example HERE. But the extracted products will nevertheless still carry the mineral/metallic signatures and specifications. It's just the way those Principles work in Nature, regardless of our opinions and wishful thinking.

Using these guidelines, it is easier to decipher what various alchemical authors are talking about.

If they tell us to seek the Agent in the Mineral/Metallic Kingdom, the are most likely talking about Chemical/Chymical mineral (or metallic) extractions, often using highly ingressive/aggressive (even toxic/violent) chemicals, and subsequently re-distilling the Mineral Mercury off the chymical solvent, sometimes requiring further "purifications" via repeated distillations/rectifications, sometimes with a "binding agent" in the boiling flask that binds the solvent to itself (or neutralizes it) and only allows for the Mercurial Spirit to rise and re-condense in the receiver.

But if the authors tell us to seek the Agent in the "Sea of the Wise", it's more likely they are guiding us towards the Aether itself, for which sulfur-poor (much less specified) mediums in the gaseous state are excellent intermediaries.

A good thing to keep in mind is that while method-specific texts (or forum posts) may vary quite a bit, the good principle-specific texts are always the same. Recipes and processes arise from principles, not the other way around.
 

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There are a few (IMO) major points I would like to reiterate and suggest for everyone's consideration.
Thank you for these major points Andro, and I agree that everyone would be well
advised to consider them.
 

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This is the reason I am investing into the lenses. I figure that the subtle Earth's that come from the suns/moons rays are a cleaner and less specified Earth that could be used for this process. I see clay as holding more of the solar seed and limestone holding the Luna seed. But that both of these seeds can be manifested in their purity without the need for a "dirty" matrix.

I could be wrong about this and it's an expensive experiment, but I can't help but consider that Pulvis Solaris or Pulvis lunaria could be a powerful source of unspecified sulfurs.

Interest in your thoughts.
 

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unspecified sulfurs.
That would be an oxymoron, if you ask me. I would rather say "unspecified seeds". Sulfur IS the specification principle. And if we want to be even more precise, even those "seeds" are "specified", but not to this or that kingdom, but rather to the Primordial Universal Template, from which all kingdoms and all species originate.
 

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Are you able to tell me whether or not I'm moving in the right direction here? If this is a stupid plan I would love your input here.

Let me re-phrase that. Do you think that my quest for Celestial Pulvis is of sound hermetic principal or am I just dreaming here?

Exceptionally expensive failures is one of the main reason I stopped practising alchemy for a bit there.
 

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Do you think that my quest for Celestial Pulvis is of sound hermetic principal or am I just dreaming here?
Both, if you ask me. Celestial Pulvis may contain the virgin seeds, depending on how you proceed. And this is all a dream :cool:
 

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Urgh. Suffering is the road to enlightenment... Isn't it... 😩

I really hope this works 🤞
 

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It's really interesting what you're saying here about the Sulfur being required for manifestation. I guess up until this point, I sort of looked at the entire equation as being a balancing act that had no answer, that it's generation was caused by "breaking" a law of the ether and giving it no choice but to yield. Now I can see that we indeed do have the two halves of the equation present in even the first initial reaction.

Seems the polarity of this place just cannot be broken. I'm still trying to wrap my head about what it truely means for something to be andronious. What it actually means for two opposites to be harmonious with each other and become one thing.

The Stone is just such an incredible token to all Philosophy. The fact that such a romantic courtship exists at the centre of all reality is so profound. Whoever the mother and father of the universe are, they appear to be super horney for each other.
 

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Whoever the mother and father of the universe are, they appear to be super horney for each other.
The universe is not generated like in a vulgar heteronormative coupling. Yikes. The "Prime Avatar" or "First Being" is ONE.
 

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There's no sex in Heaven is there. I'm really disappointed in that. Even if I make it through the pearly gates I'll soon be kicked out for hitting on the administration.
 

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Both, if you ask me. Celestial Pulvis may contain the virgin seeds, depending on how you proceed. And this is all a dream :cool:
What are your thoughts on the relationship with quartz and moonlight. Do you think that quartz has any other, metaphysical properties that make it desirable other than a UV band?
 

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The universe is not generated like in a vulgar heteronormative coupling. Yikes. The "Prime Avatar" or "First Being" is ONE.

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"That all things proceed from One Thing by the Will of the One Being, that is, that all Manifestation proceeds from
one, is the axiom that lies at the root of the theory of all alchemical science. The Hermetic Tract expressed it thus:
'As all things were produced from One by the Mediation of One, so all things are produced from this One Thing by
adaptation,' or, in other words, the One in Manifestation has become many. From this One, this Seed, as it were,
which the alchemist has called the Alkahest, have proceeded three, Mercury, Sulphur, and Salt, and again from these

three have proceeded the many."

Elixirmixer said:
It's really interesting what you're saying here about the Sulfur being required for manifestation. I guess up until this point, I sort of looked at the entire equation as being a balancing act that had no answer

The following may be relevant regarding this "balance" of sulfur (with salt and Mercury).

"Metals have always been recognized by the alchemists as living, breathing substances, each one having as its component parts Mercury, Sulphur, and Salt, the difference in the consistency and characteristics of the metal being due to the proportion of these three principles one to the other.

To illustrate this point, let me quote from Basilius Valentinus, one of the greatest alchemists of the fifteenth century:
'Therefore the metal of Mars (Iron) is found to have the least portion of Mercury, but more of Sulphur and Salt.
'The reader must moreover know concerning the generation of copper, and observe that it is generated of much
Sulphur, but its Mercury and Salt are in an equality....
'Among all metals Gold bath the pre-eminence because the sidereal and elementary operation hath digested and
refined the Mercury in this Metal the more perfectly to a sufficient ripeness. .
'Good Jupiter (Tin) possesses almost the middle or mean place between metals, it being not too hot, nor too cold, nor
too warm, nor too moist, it hath no excess of Mercury, nor of Salt, and it hath the least of Sulphur in it....
'I tell thee that Saturn is generated of little Sulphur, little Salt, and much unripe gross Mercury, which Mercury is to
be esteemed a froth that floats upon the Water in comparison of that Mercury which is found in Sol (Gold).'
These quotations will illustrate what I intend to convey by my reference to the proportionate relationships of the
three substances.
To revert to the subject of the seed of metals, from the 'Speculum' of Arnaud de Villeneuve come these words:
'There is in Nature a certain fine essence, which being discovered and brought by art to perfection converts to itself
proportionately all imperfect bodies that it touches,' so that the first matter of all metals and substances is a fixed
something altered by the diversities of place, temperature, etc. This 'Essence' has always been recognized by

alchemists as the Seed of Metals.

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this "balance" of sulfur (with salt and Mercury).
It's not really about "balance" in this case. It's about the meaning behind the classical nomenclature.

Incorporeal Mercury/Spiritus is non-polaric.

Sol & Luna (the 2 "Central Fires" or the 2 "Metallic Natures" of Cyliani) are the inherent polarities of the diverse forms, as they are manifested in multiplicity.

Conversely, Mercury/Spiritus is One and not diverse or multiple, unless corporified by embedding itself within a Sulfur Principle.

Mercury/Spiritus is the Central Rod/Staff on the Caduceus. Sol & Luna are the coiled "Serpents".

Sulfurs can be solar or lunar. Most manifest forms contain both, in various ratios.

Mercury (Spirit) for example can appear as a liquid or a salt, and can never be corporeal without a Sulfur, to give it a manifest form.

In alchemical unions:

Mercury (Spirit) + Luna = Ph. White Mercury (classical 1st rotation)

Mercury (Spirit) + Sol = Ph. Red Mercury (classical 2nd rotation)

Etc...
 

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Gosh I feel like the newbies have got such an easier ride than I had it the last 15 years.

Try working out all the Jargon without Andro's generosity to get you through. It's mind scattering at the best of times.

Thanks Andro. I'm glad Alchemy is starting to get some more well defined terms.
 

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Gosh I feel like the newbies have got such an easier ride than I had it the last 15 years.

Try working out all the Jargon without Andro's generosity to get you through. It's mind scattering at the best of times.

Thanks Andro. I'm glad Alchemy is starting to get some more well defined terms.
I'm not sure that those newer to alchemy will necessarily have an "easier ride". A lot of the good stuff that has been posted on these pages will quite likely fly over most people's heads. It takes a well prepared earth for the seeds to blossom.

I myself am extremely grateful to those (very few) fellow alchemists who personally met with me, shared openly with me and inspired me over the years, helping me connect the dots and apply the principles in practice. Literally standing on the shoulders of giants. I thank you all.
 

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So you going to pay those good vibes forward and get Elixirmixer yachting in your direction?

T'would be good. And if at all then probably soon while I'm currently not poor 😁

The AF journey is a profound one. I wish the best of luck to anyone trying to make it through the Labyrinth
 

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Gosh I feel like the newbies have got such an easier ride than I had it the last 15 years.

Try working out all the Jargon without Andro's generosity to get you through. It's mind scattering at the best of times.

Thanks Andro. I'm glad Alchemy is starting to get some more well defined terms.

For myself, I've been reading the alchemical works on and off for the past 10-15 years and lots of other stuff prior to that. I would still say I'm a newbie but I've known about the primary processes (distillation, separation, calcination sublimation etc etc) for many years now.
When I started, alone, unguided trying to make sense of the cryptic and allegorical texts it made my head spin. I'd reach saturation point after a day or two and have to walk away and then come back another time. Each time little snippets made more sense. Small steps got me to my current understanding which is still very infant compared to many here.