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@elixirmixer

It's a pleasure to see how you're showing this "other" side of you, going directly at the principles and the underlying metaphysics. Your grammar still sucks, though. LOL.

I agree with you with regards to black's understanding being rather limited in many aspects concerning Alchemy and Spiritus Mundi. This doesn't necessarily make his specific processes illegitimate or non-alchemical, but he should chill whenever he feels the impulse to "correct" everyone on what's "alchemic" and what's not. That is, if this impulse even comes from him and not from some possessing entity masquerading as whatever. Technically, I could do a shamanic journey to find out the general outline of his process and what entity he's communicating with, but that would be very unethical, especially if I publish my findings. And he would deny it anyway. So we'll stay with the typed words. Applying sound reasoning with a piercing intellect and heightened intuition is more than enough to sort out the BS.

PS: Doesn't mean you can privately message me with questions now. All I have to say on this forum, I say is publicly. My deeper exchanges are only with people I have met in person, 1x1, face to face (IRL, not online).
 

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The cosmos is in a state of trying to find balance. Whether it ever will or not I'm not sure. But essentially, this process that brings about the condensation of higher matter, down into more and more fixed forms, is happening everywhere in everything through the great balancing event of the world (which I also think is the effect we observe as entropy, the cause being those first primordial emanations from the Quad-Polar Tetragrammaton.)

The atom is trying to balance it's Shells.
The molecule is trying to balance it's electrons.
Both the living cell and electricity is trying to balance it's voltage gradient potential.
The weather system is trying to release energy and pacify the imbalances of it's currents.
Temperature is in a constant state of balancing. Osmosis. On and on are the examples.
Society is trying to balance (theoretically, while I don't know how well we're going in practise for certain reasons) resources, intellectual property, technology, sperm, etc evenly across the face of the earth.

And I want to touch on the society aspect of this for a minute because I think they'res something here.

It's been discussed recently on the forum this idea that the world is injust and that the PS would be a certain key to crushing tyranny.

I want to again make my case here, that this balance of equations, that requires a condensation of expansive principle (paradox) is represented specifically by the tarot card of Justice, and you will notice that she holds in her hands a balance.

This is the creation of SM. It is the ethers way of bringing balance across each world. A macro algorithm that is above many of the natural algorithms that exist within our set of physics, since this passive-active balancing act appears across each and every plane of existence.

PS: @Andro So where's my invitation to Magic Island?

PSS: They'res, is correct Aussie Grammer, that I just made up then, that means "There Is"

@black I do believe you are most likely practicing Alchemy. And even perhaps in some of the most traditional ways. I also believe in divine revelation, most particularly in relation to Alchemy. However I also believe that the human being is often an imperfect filter for the divine, and we are prone to mistakes, I also believe that sometimes incorrect interpretation of divine inspiration can sort of snowball and create complexes within our mind. (Mainly because we value them so much and arnt willing to entertain anything that would seem contrary to them.) My experience suggests it happens more and more as we get older. In most cases. I have many complex's which is clearly apparent.

I think that there are avenues Mr Black that you're not exploring. It reminds me a lot of JDP in a way but less intense.

I am going to run these theories I've said through a test and return with my results. That the condensation of water is parallel with the condensation of the spirit
 
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It's like black is channeling Kryon or Bashar but 200% more archon.

@elixirmilker cool rant I think the true universal energy permeates all realities as well. Orgone fits the bill in many ways since it can be seen in and around galaxies like dark matter glue.
Turns out Dark matter is blue-high UV.

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About the mixing porridge and water you lost me at seal it, unless you are in a really late stage. But carry on.

Black the archonic acid connoisseur It's like distilled brandy to him.
Probably does it with sulfuric to get that wonderful sour smell to permeate his cells.

Don't get me wrong clay releases large amounts of Orgone It's awesome.
But it's just not alchemic LOL jk it is.

The All Father is not all knowing he said there is no all knowing just experiencing and pure being, maybe Krishna after jumping around enough Universes can tell you at least some of it.
 

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It's like black is channeling Kryon or Bashar but 200% more archon.

@elixirmilker cool rant I think the true universal energy permeates all realities as well. Orgone fits the bill in many ways since it can be seen in and around galaxies like dark matter glue.
Turns out Dark matter is blue-high UV.

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The All Father is not all knowing he said there is no all knowing just experiencing and pure being, maybe Krishna after jumping around enough Universes can tell you at least some of it.
I would speculate that "God Himself" is actually in a very young form for whatever the matured version is. Which would introduce circumstances when indeed there could be no "All-knowing" if God himself was actually capable of learning things.

There is evidence to suggest that the idea is valid, since, we see that nature has its Genesis programs. That of birth and maturation. This would suggests that God also has an birth, and maturation phases.

Hence infinity ♾️

I wish the guy would just send us the masterclass edition instead of mindblowingly profound event disturbances in the aether to work it all out.

Oh and verrrry cool pictures Lakshama
 

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The Orgone thing is very important, it is, in a way, represented on the card of Justice also, as the sword. The sword representing the 🧲

I just look at Orgone as Chi. And I look at Chi as the universal spirit. And I look at the physical world as a condensation of higher principles, which comes as an effect of Chi flowing through the four elements. Primordially speaking.

Things in the universe are a little bit more specialised now. Not only do we have the force of the 4 elements on the aether, but now the forms created themselves, such as the planets and stars and other massive phenomena, also directly impress upon the aether during times of condensation and give ever increasing complexities of subtle influences on the Mercury, which assists in the amazing diversity of life that we now see condensed here.

And is this not Ceremonial Magic? The imprinting of the aether with particular energies, while moving energy through the four elements, in order to condensed and manifest the desired will of the artist. Knowing that he, the magician can imprint upon and make manifest events using the power of the will, focused by the imagination. And the geometries of the imagination, powered up by the will of the operator cause these directly effected changes in the vibration of the ether, just the same as any other disturbance made with light or sound or heat.

Light effects light. Sound makes new sounds. Heat disturbs the aether and changes only the temperature. They are seperate functions of the aether. Often found together, but manifesting separately via the vibration propirgated through the ether. Will enveloped with imagination effects things of a like nature to itself and is another way to disturb the aether.

These energies can often be changed, one to another, since they are all emanations of the One Quad-Polar Tetragrammaton. Very similarly to how the four Primordial elements can also change state.
 

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@Andro So where's my invitation to Magic Island?
Just keep holding your breath. Any day now o_O

I wish the guy would just send us the masterclass edition instead of mindblowingly profound event disturbances in the aether to work it all out.
Or maybe "the guy" is waiting for us to figure it out, so "he" finally gets it as well?

"Don't ask what the guy can do for you, ask what you can do for the guy".
 

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And while my mind has found the time to ponder and discuss this, I would like to make another argument to the consequential fact that Spiritus Mundi is Chi.

And it is the simple argument, that if it were not the case, that unmanifested SM is Chi, then all of Eastern Doaist Buddhism would be nonsensical. This should be clear to any occultist to not be the case at all since we see significant correlations between the inner and outer works and both philosophies are deeply rooted in time and practise.

If we look at the process of ChiGung, we see the creation of the stone.

We begin buy cultivating Chi, the earth provides it to our genitals in great quantity and the kidneys produce it throughout the lifetime of a person through there innate fire Jing.

The energies are then cycled in a refluxing action, typically being drawn up the spine, and then dripping and condensing through the heart chakra and storing in the Dantei.

Through the repeated refluxing of this energy, it would mature into Shen and the "Oil" was formed in the brain.

The body is complex and these masters found various ways to use meditation to unlock and speed up this progress, which I feel like anyone practising yoga or ChiGung could relate with. Deep relaxation and inner control etc. Tantra is a radical way to speed up this process if one has the control to continually cultivate the energy and the eastern philosophy comes with its own set of advanced tools such as male orgasm without ejaculation, and even inward ejaculations the directly inject the sperm into the body. They also used herbs etc etc.

The fact that the Easten concept of Chi correlates with our Western SM, is extremely important, as this gives a path and access to understand Orgone energy from a much more established library of knowledge about the topic. The East has made a comprehensive science of this energy, such as Feni Shui, acupuncture, Zodiak etc.

This enables the western practitioner options for directing chi, and more importantly, understanding some of the inner specifics of SM itself. Such as its own dualistic nature. Ying Yang baby! Eastern philosophy teaches us that there is a quad polar magnet aswell.

There is Fire Chi and Water Chi, both each with their Positive and Negative charge.
And again this magnet is doing the entire work itself. I speculate that it is important to understand the subtleties of the SM quad-magnet because it allows the progress of the work to run sooner.

If the practitioner wishes to cause a lengthy digestion and fermentation, then he can influence the chi in the surrounding environment (or directly project it from his body) to be "Negative Water" Chi to support and speed up the process. Because this is the aspect of SM that putrifies and dies, and in doing so, locks the ethereal Chi into a crystalized body.

If you want to generate then you use positive fire Chi etc...

If any of you are yet to do the required reading and meditation to fully unify the Eastern and Western cultures within your own mind, allow me to invite you and press it upon you that you undertake that work, because it has significant implications for the inner world of the human being, and, I feel, makes them a more unified and objectively aware and concious human being. And turns out is great for alchemy.
 
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Just as a side in this engaging debate . . .

It seems to me that a perfect life form would be one in which the form contains/encompasses an effective magnet that is capable of attracting continuous and ample levels of the quintessence. This established the rest of the "programming" of the body would function perfectly. We humans clearly have some form of magnet within us but it is very far from perfect. We just don't get enough of that life energy and thus decay and die. Does this not speak to the notion that humans are very imperfect as a creation and that thus there is not a divine creator that is perfect? Or does it speak to the concept of a haphazard creator that just tried all manner of ideas and humans are just one failed iteration?

In considering EM's notion of the universe trying to balance itself I tend to hold the opposite view. Which is to say that if this universe were "leaking" energy at all then everything in it would be in a gradual state of decay. If it is not leaking energy then what you have is perpetual motion and transference of energies into myriads of forms and thus it will never balance as such because by definition it is already in balance. Viz-a-vie imagine a goldfish bowl full of water and you swirl the water around with a spoon. Eventually the water will settle and become still because energy is leaking from that system (friction between water and glass, heat, sound etc).

If the bowl was a fixed system in which no energy could ever escape from it then it would be in perpetual motion, a constrained balance of endless motion, with all the energy inside constantly being changed into different forms. (Law Of Conservation of Energy etc)

I wonder then whether this is the universe we find ourselves in. Everything changes constantly, just at different rates. Including us !
 

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It seems to me that a perfect life form would be one in which the form contains/encompasses an effective magnet that is capable of attracting continuous and ample levels of the quintessence. This established the rest of the "programming" of the body would function perfectly. We humans clearly have some form of magnet within us but it is very far from perfect. We just don't get enough of that life energy and thus decay and die.
The "Prime Avatar" or "Adam Kadmon" or the Manifestation of the "Original Dreamer" who dreams up our entire (FINITE) Reality Construct does have such a "perfect magnet". This Being is completely "immortal" for as long as the Creation Dream lasts. Only when this Prime Being "wakes up" (Omega Point) does the entire creation implode and it's Finis Gloria Mundi.

The Beings who are a bit further "down the line" also have near-perfect "magnets" or constitutions and are near-immortal, but they can and do "die" in this Dream Reality Construct. In this category we have the so-called "gods" or Secondary Avatars, etc... Even further down the line of the carbon-copies of carbon-copies of the Original Template we have various so-called angels, demigods, etc. Those still have insanely long lifespans, but significantly less than the Gods, etc.

At some point "down the chain" we have the human form. The "Original Template" is already quite degraded at this point, and the Magnets/Genetics are far from optimized for a continuous influx of Negentropic Life Force. Hence the more rapid effects of Entropy.
 

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The "Prime Avatar" or "Adam Kadmon" or the Manifestation of the "Original Dreamer" who dreams up our entire (FINITE) Reality Construct does have such a "perfect magnet". This Being is completely "immortal" for as long as the Creation Dream lasts. Only when this Prime Being "wakes up" (Omega Point) does the entire creation implode and it's Finis Gloria Mundi.

The Beings who are a bit further "down the line" also have near-perfect "magnets" or constitutions and are near-immortal, but they can and do "die" in this Dream Reality Construct. In this category we have the so-called "gods" or Secondary Avatars, etc... Even further down the line of the carbon-copies of carbon-copies of the Original Template we have various so-called angels, demigods, etc. Those still have insanely long lifespans, but significantly less than the Gods, etc.

At some point "down the chain" we have the human form. The "Original Template" is already quite degraded at this point, and the Magnets/Genetics are far from optimized for a continuous influx of Negentropic Life Force. Hence the more rapid effects of Entropy.

What then is the point of anything? Where do you think the Stone gets you in this maelstrom of entities?
 

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We assign meaning ourselves there is no inherent meaning, the stone can help catapult us out beyond the gods demigods and so on to a more lucid plane of existence.
Where entropy does not limit us.
 

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I'd like to point out also, that the mere act of consolidation between the western and eastern sides of human culture is a balancing act in itself. Bringing a more balanced perspective to the practitioner as well as more Chi.

Whatever the Adam Kadmon is doing with us, there can be no doubt that it is amazing. And it's such a shame that humanity has chosen to largely ignore the profound condition that we find ourselves in.
 
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@black I do believe you are most likely practicing Alchemy.
Yes .... have been working the Alchemic Process for over 30 years.
And even perhaps in some of the most traditional ways.
Do you know of anyone past or present that has had Alchemic success that does
not work the traditional way?
I also believe in divine revelation, most particularly in relation to Alchemy.
This in itself brings you closer to Alchemy than many others.
However I also believe that the human being is often an imperfect filter for the divine, and we are prone to mistakes, I also believe that sometimes incorrect interpretation of divine inspiration can sort of snowball and create complexes within our mind. (Mainly because we value them so much and arnt willing to entertain anything that would seem contrary to them.) My experience suggests it happens more and more as we get older. In most cases. I have many complex's which is clearly apparent.
Yes, "the human being is often an imperfect filter for the divine" re communication ..... but if the Alchemist ingests Universal Alchemic Tinctures on a regular basis over many years each and every cell of his being, Soul and body then vibrates at a greatly increased Frequency.

This allows for an extremely clear communication with the Divine.
I think that there are avenues Mr Black that you're not exploring.
Mr. mixer .... you have no idea of what I have and have not explored.

I have seen things that most men cannot even dream of.
It reminds me a lot of JDP in a way but less intense.
Perhaps if JDP was working with SM (Spiritus Mundi) his mood may have been
quite different.
I am going to run these theories I've said through a test and return with my results. That the condensation of water is parallel with the condensation of the spirit
Good to hear Mr. Mixer .... about time someone started some Testing.:)
 
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Reading this discussion I really felt like this passage of the Golden Chain of Homer (which in my opinion is one of the most great works of alchemy despite it's outer appearence as more spagyrical) to be of interest, it is for me perhaps one of the biggest nuggets in the text. Id love to see more reference to source material here, although many posts are very enlightening without it. I have highlighted some key parts but really all the passages here are important.

Golden chain of Homer said:
Perhaps, however, many a man will say that this work appears to be very venturesome because 1) It is very long and tiresome; 2) It goes directly against the basic rules of all philosophers. He may well speak of putrefaction, separation, distillation, rectification, conjunction, coagulation, fixation and regeneration; but after the separation, the philosophers united the first Beginnings in a certain measure, locked them in a phial and luted it thoroughly to prevent any air, let alone water, from escaping, and they boiled it to perfection in a stove, in a glass, and by a regimen of the fire, also in a vessel, without touching it further. This one (Homerus), however, commands us to join the parts and always to distil them, again to imbibe, to dry up, to coagulate, reverberate, to remove the mass from the glass, to powder it, again to imbibe, dry up, coagulate and reverberate, from B.M. in ashes, from this in sand, then in hammer scale, afterwards to put it in the Open fire, which methods not a single one of the philosophers has taught. At that, he does not indicate anything about the separation of the feces but leaves fat and dirt and everything together, which the philosophers most emphatically and strictly order us to get rid of, or else the work would sooner turn into poison than into medicine. The philosophers also say that one should never let the heat go out, as otherwise the work would be spoiled - and this one (Homerus) interrupts the heating incessantly.

Answer: That this work is long and tedious, I admit myself, and I have not described it here to make the reader necessarily proceed in this way but so that he may see how the Chaotic Water can very conveniently be divided into its grades of fineness and volatility as well as into those of corporeality and fixity. Nor do I desire to direct anyone to follow this way, except if he wishes to undertake it curiositatis gratia (for the sake of curiosity). Aside from this, there exist shorter and more amusing ways, some of which will be shown later.

Now the reader will remember that I said in the first part, that the great primordial Chaos had been divided into four parts, into Heaven, Air, Water and Earth. These four parts were again subdivided and separated within themselves into their grades of fineness and coarseness, as may be seen in Chapter 9 of Part I about the “effluences of the earth.” By the previous process, we wished the lover of the Art to understand how to refine and condense these grades, so as to make him see that the finer always rises and can be separated before the coarser, which is immediately followed by the coarse, and then by the coarsest. I have here described this way of proceeding solely to let everyone see how Nature works in lawful order by means of her levels and grades, namely, by incessant ascending and descending, and so that the lover of the Art might better cognize and grasp with his hands the work of Nature.

Just as young students have their levels of comparison, Nature also has Hers; that is, the most subtle and volatile, the subtler and more volatile, the subtle and volatile. Again, the thick and fixed, the thicker and more fixed, the thickest and most fixed. Nature ascends in volatilization, (in order to transform the most fixed into the more fixed and the fixed, from there to transform the fixed into the volatile, the volatile into the more volatile, and this into the most volatile) in order to fix something volatile, and she also descends in precisely the same order, changing the most volatile into the more volatile, this into a volatile, the volatile into a fixed, this into a most fixed. She does not desire to turn the most volatile into the most fixed directly but through the aforementioned middle stages.

If then someone wishes to work this process curiositatis gratis it is up to him, and he can divide it into such parts; but he is not forced to do so.

If the reader were to think that I act against the philosophical rules, I would tell him this, as above: I am not particularly aiming at the secret of the sages, but I am a natural philosopher or lover of the fire-art, who follows in the footsteps of Nature, and as Nature works, so will I also work. And I do not deviate one inch from Her, neither to the right nor to the left, no matter what the sages have written, and I know their ways full well. But because I do not heed theirs, nor despise them, but follow my own, and am also sure that they are in accordance with the laws of Nature, I do not want it said that I have led anyone away from the philosophers way, but only leading them to ponder somewhat over my own path. Whoever does not like it may withdraw again at the threshold, so that he does not go astray because of my way.

I do not enclose the moist and the dry in a phial according to the usual way of the philosophers, and coagulate and fix such in constant digestion and circulation until it dries up and all of it turns into earth in a steady fire. This has been taught me by Nature, whom no philosopher despises or holds in low estimation; but whoever reaches the natural way and purpose has won and has shortened his work.


In reply to EM's excellent discourse on the rising and sinking of qi and the condensation of spirit as found in our water cycle I think the above shows points are super important. There will be more relevant as the passage goes on.

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Nature, in order to cause the Elements (Water and Earth) to bring forth their fruits, provides the seed in the form of water from above, of which the earth takes and retains as much as it requires for growth, driving the remaining excessive water back into the air as steam and vapor by means of the lower and the upper warmth, that is, the subterranean central and the overhead heat of the sun. There it turns into water again, falling and dripping back upon the earth. Again, the earth absorbs as much as it requires for growth, the rest being again driven up into the air in the form of steam, vapor and fog; and it carries on this perpetual circular course until the Creator’s Will coagulates and fixes everything together in a fixed stone. With this impregnation and distillation of the macrocosm, that is, the great world, all the fruits of the earth now grow, each according to its characteristics. For when the earth is dried up and reverberated by the sun, heaven provides moisture again and wets it with rain and dew. After that, the sun comes back and once more dries, coagulates and reverberates the earth, so that it becomes thirsty and again attracts moisture.

This action of Nature should serve as the best model for coagulating and fixing for every artist, just as he learned the best model for dissolving and volatilizing in Part I, Chapter 9. Every thing takes as much fire and water as it requires, and no more. It lets go of the rest because it was too much for it this time, and therefore not needed.
This speaks to the gradual fixing of spirit into matter, different matters may be weak in terms of spirit but worked on properly slowly change the matter from within. It is said in Recreations that the work detailed in there takes 150 philosophical days. When one understand this right that is a lot of days. It is obviously a slow process of the matter and not some instant spiritus mundi. Not saying there aren't shortcuts but very good and reliable texts tell us there is a slow way. Why is it slow?

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Such laboratory work has emptied the purse of many a man who dared coagulate and fix all the moisture of his intended product, and he burnt many cartloads of coal in so doing; in addition, he often made the subject bubble by too much heat, so that the glass cracked and his treasure flowed into the ash. Thereafter he was overcome by fear and grief and gave up the ghost from melancholy.

O miserable life and time! If the poor human beings but observed and learned from Nature’s course, who indeed works daily under their noses and labors incessantly and presents Herself to all natural philosophers as an exemplar and forerunner! To be sure, I cannot hold it against anyone, because at first I also believed I could achieve everything by relying on my brains; but the result taught me the contrary, until I hit upon this way and grasped the method of solely copying Nature. After that, my eyes were somewhat more illuminated, and as I have received it and as I have proceeded, so I also communicate it. Whoever then wishes to go the way of Nature, let him follow this tractate. He will yet get some satisfaction, that is, as much as he hopes to find in others. And if he were to find one or another point too difficult, let him run to Nature and reflect. There he has a wide field to reflect on.

This reminds me of black's comments re porridge, which in some respects I think is actually similar to the way I've been working but distinctly different too. Does this passage agree with black's statement?:

"Put part A in a very, very strong glass vessel then add part B, seal the vessel firmly and place in a warm heat.

Then sit back and watch as nature does all the work e.g. the blackness and all the colors,
etc, etc."

A note, I'm not saying you don't work alchemically black. I think some of your strong statements about certain matters and procedures to be a bit strange though. Yet I don't have the stone so take with that what one will.

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One can indeed see how long many have been busy getting their subject to the stage of solution; how much time, expense and power they consume and burn, let alone how long they have worked until they coagulate and fix their conjoined Liquidum into a powder, since some wait whole months and years for a single subject to oblige them (by coagulating etc.), and when the time comes, it is lari fari and nothing (stuff and nonsense).
If then such a man is to be helped and his subject is to be coagulated faster, he should himself carefully consider his subject, and of what constituents and parts it contains, that is, water and spirit. Whether the spirit is concealed in the water in the form of a salt or an oil or a delicate powder or of whatever form it may be, it does not take more water than it requires to form a body or become coagulated and fixed. It lets go of the rest through the power of the fire. This excessive water must also be taken from the spirit by distillation, as Nature shows us in giving water to the thirsty, parched and dried up earth. Of that, the earth absorbs as much as it requires. The rest, however, is drawn off again by the sun and the heat. This an artist should carefully note, but he should not draw the moisture off with a strong fire, only with a gentle fire, in B.M., and he should cohobate this until the earth can stand greater heat. Now it no longer requires moisture, for it must increasingly accept dryness and proceed to coagulation and fixation. Why? How can we tell this is the case? Then the excessive useless part rises up and out, and the seed or spirit thereafter coagulates ever faster. This process is always hindered by the Aqua recolacae, which can only very slowly be transformed into earth.

Some will say however: “How do I recognize that the spirit in the water attaches itself to the fixed body, coagulates and congeals, since as much water goes over as I have poured on?” I admit that I myself have found it hard to acquire that knowledge. But take note of the following:

Water being a vehicle and a visible tangible body in which the spirit or seed lies hidden invisibly, is the sole means of uniting all things by joining them with itself, because all moist, liquid things can more easily be conjoined in their innermost than the dry ones. This water has contained within itself, in a hidden and invisible way, the spirit and seed and its power, and water is a Vehiculum of the spirit. Those waters are either subtle or coarse, depending on whether they have been extended, refined or thickened, and the seed or spirit is volatile or fixed. According to those differences, water takes its character from the seed, and the seed acts differently in different waters.

For example: spirit of wine is a water, vinegar is also a water, oil is also a water, everything volatile is a water, but of like quality as the coagulated or dissolved spirit. The way the spirit works in spirit of wine, it works differently in vinegar, differently in oil, differently in salt, and differently in the acid corrosives.
It is of course obvious in such waters that they are dissolved and in the state of liquidity and still have a rather great amount of moisture. If they were coagulated, they would be dry, and alchemists call the coagulata, “dry things.” Therefore their useless and excessive moisture must be taken from them by distillation, that is, in such a way that the spirit or the sharpness contained in such a humido recolaceo does not go over with the rest but remains and coagulates. The Humidum, however, must go over quite empty, insipid or without any taste, like an empty tasteless Phlegma, without any sharpness. In that way the seed coagulates instantaneously and so fast that the artist is overjoyed by it a thousand times and also becomes a thousand times more eager to take up and practice the alchemical Art, because he perceives truth and is himself guided by it through further contemplation.

Therefore, learn here and ponder this point very carefully, and prefer it to those which would derive advantage from this Art in another way: Water, or the useless part, is by no means the main part in coagulation, but the spirit or the seed contained in the water is that which alone coagulates, concentrates and gets fixed through its own intermediaries. This means that the Volatile coagulates and gets fixed through its own acid or alkaline part. The essential components discard the useless excessive water off themselves and retain for their constitution nothing but what they require to form or preserve a body of an incorruptible Constituent moisture.

They retain such an attracted Humidum so firmly within themselves and together that they flow with it steadily in all fires like wax, without smoke. It may be seen in silica and glass that, when the excessive moisture has been driven out by them to the utmost, they retain no more than they require, that they flow with it in the very highest and strongest degree of heat like oil, without any loss of stability or fixity, as long as they are not pushed back again by Nature or the Art.

Let a lover of the Art consider this: it would be an insurmountable task for an artist, as well as for Nature herself to coagulate all water or all excessive moisture, as much as every Individuum contains, into earth, dry powder or a stone. It can be done, but so slowly that it would be a waste of time for the lover of wisdom and that the greatest age would be short in doing so. Yes, let someone just try and shut some rain or spring water in a phial and set it to coagulate. He may well find some earth, but in half a year or a whole year he will notice little or no decrease in the quantity of the water or its coagulation.
Therefore, we rightly follow Nature which in the animal kingdom does not turn all moisture into animals or animal parts; otherwise animals would not give off any Excrementa urinosa, sudorosa, mucilaginosa and stercorosa. Nor does all moisture stay with plants, or else they would not have any Excrementa resinosa, picea, aquosa, etc. This may be seen in the larger growths, such as trees, especially in the spring, when their barks open because of the excess, and the excessive Humidum drips out in different forms. Likewise, not all moisture remains with minerals and stones during their growth, otherwise not so many rivers, fountains and springs of various compositions would flow out of the mountains. If they all remained with the growth of the subterranean creatures, all the water in the mountains would turn into rock and ore, and none would reach us. Similarly, not all rain, dew, snow etc., is for the growth of creatures, or else the central terrestrial heat and the sun could not sublimate and attract any Vapores, vapors or steams, while they are everyday producing such abundant vapors, and form such abundant dews, rain and snow, and again precipitate them upon the earth. With that, however, Nature wants to show us by macrocosmic impregnation and cohobation that she does not give in one go so much moisture that creatures have enough of it until their perfection. No, but she is constantly cohobating a little, by constant impregnation and desiccation. Nature observes this rule, and we should also observe it and not undertake to coagulate our to-be-dried earth inundated with water. Instead, we should only gently distil the excess from it after impregnation as Nature herself does, and cohobate thus until the earth can take stronger heat. Then it no longer requires any more moisture, for it must increasingly assume a dry state and move toward coagulation and greatest fixation.
By this everybody sees clearly that water is only a cover or a casing of the universal seed or spirit (as has been sufficiently stated above in the first part), but that water itself is not the seed or spirit. Water can therefore not be all coagulated, but the earth demands only that part of the water which is the spirit itself. Nature herself does not desire more than she requires, and if a hundred buckets of water were to be poured upon half an ounce of earth, all the volatile water and Humidum would indeed be removed by distillation and the earth would alone remain. Yet the earth would not coagulate in itself more than it needs to retain, and it would let go of the rest. where does it go? But if the water had also contained earth or fixed parts, it would remain with the earth as its equal.

Thus it is with the seed or universal spirit, as well in universalibus as in specifices and individuis. If this spirit is made fixed, it takes a volatile spirit of its kind and draws it to itself, so as to make it its like and congeal it too. It will discard, however, almost the same amount of excessive water in which the volatile spirit had been hidden. Thus like joins like, and like attracts like, as the saying goes. Natura naturam ambit and amplecitur, natura natura gaudet - Nature embraces Nature and surrounds her, Nature rejoices in Nature. In the same way one disagreeable thing repels another if an enduring unity is to be made thereof.

As long as the tasteless water is present, the seed or spirit cannot be rightly or permanently united in a body, and there will be no immortal union, permanence and fixity. This may be seen in the easily corruptible and dissoluble animals and plants, which have a great excess of Aqua recolacea, and even minerals are likewise not rid of it to the highest degree. As long as the recolacea or the excessive tasteless moisture is not separated from them, they are always subject to mortality or decay, dissolution and change. Animals and plants decay and easily putrefy due to their accumulating excess water, which is a curse, especially if they get more of it from outside, such as rain, snow, water, etc. In the same way, minerals decay, because such moisture is everywhere more or less admixed already in the mineral and also added in other ways.

Let the reader recognize that the water recolacea is the hammer or anvil of the implanted spirit or seed, by means of which it is roused to act, because it can never rest in the water but causes various changes, one after another. But if the spirit coagulates and becomes fixed, and its excessive moisture is thereby taken from it and dried up, as may be seen in minerals, metals, stones and precious stones, glasses, etc., it is lulled, contracted and brought to its highest potency, in which it stays stable and incorruptible until it is again aroused by the same moisture. After this, it endeavors to resolve its coagulated body back into its first nature. Then it returns to its workshop and its tool, by which it changes the generato into a corruptum, until it once more generates something else out of it.

Someone might here reproach me that the excrements expelled from the bodies of animals, plants and minerals, which Nature herself expels and discharges by means of her appropriate secretory way, are not Aqua recolacea or a thing without power or substance, but that those waters are still full of the seed or the spirit. Such are the urine of human beings, the Gummata and resins of trees and the various mineral waters from the minerals.

So I reply: (1) Because Nature found them superfluous for maintaining the generated body, she wished to expel them. (2) Because Nature, in accordance with the will of the Creator, does not yet intend to undertake the transformation into the Fifth Essence, as man is able to do through the Art. And (3) Because Nature directs man to the out flowing discharges (urine etc.) without damage to his body, and to diligently seek therein the necessaries of like for his body, so that he does not need to attack the body itself but only its discharge, which is just as full of power and virtue as the body itself.

In the animal realm Nature has given the body the discharges which are especially urine and feces, also perspiration and mucus, stomach and lung, saliva the tears of the eyes, and earwax
. In the plant realm, the trickling out Gummata and Liquores, the flowers, seeds, leaves and stalks. And it is not necessary to take an animal’s entire body or to dig up a plant’s root, since the above-mentioned discharges contain just the same powers as the roots.

In the same way, Nature has given man different metals for different purposes, and out of the less expensive metals, poor people can still derive great benefits. Instead of gold, the laboratory workers have gold like marcasites, gold like vitriols; further the gold like iron pyrites, as well as fixed sulphur and an unripe volatile which are found in antimony. In addition, bloodstone (hematite), emery, lodestone (Magnetite) - all of which share in the heart, and courage strengthening solar essence.

Thus it is with all red Astris (the word Astris means literally “star”), iron and copper: instead of their metallic bodies, one should take their offspring and hybrids; and likewise with silver and all white Astris. Just as antimony contains sulphur embryonatum volatile solis (the volatile embryo of the sun), bismuth contains embryonatum lunar volatile (the volatile embryo of the moon). Galmey (calamine), and tutia also contain the fixed lunar sulphur. Is alium neither a silver nor vitriol?

Therefore, the lover of the Art sees that Nature has not provided us with only one subject for the preservation of human nature but with many different ones, and more than we require. Consequently, it is not necessary for us - unless we wish to - to take the subjects and their bodies together with their roots and everything, but their discharges offer us more than enough help, if only we know how to use them properly. Where Nature stops, however, the artist should begin and drive of f the excessive Humidum, as Nature shows us in the mountains and presents us with examples of how we can attain the Quintessence and incorruptible permanence. There She herself forges the most durable bodies, which cannot be consumed, or if so then very slowly, either by water and air, or even by fire. This is what the artist should take to heart, and learn from his grandmother (Nature) Herself, whom most people have up to now neglected, to achieve a long and healthy life.

Now someone might ask, because the Aquas recolaceas are to be distilled off, whether there is no purpose in Nature’s having them, or if they are so devoid of the spirit’s power and virtue that they cannot be used for anything. Further, whether the spirit or seed does not also turn into a recolaceo, or the recolaceum into seed. To answer these questions briefly - because it is not really necessary for the main point and is more a speculative amusement than a useful discourse - I say that the Aqua recolacea can never be totally separated from the spirit or seed and in such a way that it would no longer contain at least some hidden powers or rays of the spirit. On the other hand, it is impossible for the spirit or seed to be separated so totally and perfectly from the Aqua recolacea that no matter how stone-fixed and dry-coagulated it be, it (the spirit or seed) will at all times retain a trace of the water.

Water and spirit are one, as I said above, so that the minutest droplet of water and the infinitesimal mote of dust are altogether filled with spirit, just as the spirit is altogether filled with water.
Now someone will say: But that is a contradiction. If water is altogether spirit, there is indeed no superfluous discharge, and if water is altogether spirit, or the spirit is totally water, water is indeed nothing but all seed. That is so, and that is as it must be.

I could keep going, this whole section is absolutely full of gems, many of which speak to discourse and disagreement that has been occurring on the forum over a few topics. Will this make any difference? Probably not but to anyone who finds the above as interesting, insightful and enlightening as myself then all the better.
 

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ONLY PURE SM (Spiritus Mundi).

I will now offer a small advancement to the understanding on the subject of SM (Spiritus Mundi).

To be able to work an Alchemic Process we first need SM but not just any old SM.

What is essential to this operation is the Purest of Pure SM (Spiritus Mundi).

Please Note: SM does not attract more Spirit to itself .... But SM can attract (like a magnet) Quintessence (Soul). This is basic Alchemy.

The work of collecting and purifying SM is solely up to the Alchemist.

Some students of Alchemy believe that even a weak SM will do the trick.

Unfortunately that type of thinking is a total load of rubbish and if they try to
use it in an Alchemic Process then sadly .... rubbish is all they will get.

Any SM that is not Pure Spiritus Mundi, I term Pretend or Fools SM ... because if anyone
tries to use it for an Alchemic Process then they are only Pretending or Fooling themselves
that it will work .... it won't.

The Purity of Our SM (Spiritus Mundi) is paramount to Alchemic success.

Green Lion writes about this very clearly ...... if any members are interested enough in Alchemy then do look for that post.

Green Lion is not a Fool and has no need to Pretend .... those that read his posts may gain
valuable Alchemic insights.

There are numerous places we can find SM and there are several methods to collect it.

Some methods of collecting are extremely good and there are some one only processes
of collection that will give the Alchemist the Pure Spiritus Mundi that is requisite for any Alchemic work.

Some methods of collecting SM are extremely poor and because of this the SM is virtually useless .... but not completely useless in some cases.

It has the possibility to be evolved through several processes to eventually become
a Pure Spiritus Mundi that is then able to perform a correct Alchemic Process.

NOTE: Gesticulations, chanting and dancing on one foot will not help to Purify SM at all.

Using SM that is not a Pure SM for an Alchemic Process is like trying to start a car
with a dead flat battery ..... Turn that ignition key all you like but it's just not
going to do anything. :cry:
 

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Using SM that is not a Pure SM for an Alchemic Process is like trying to start a car
with a flat battery
Except when you do it ey? 😏
It has the possibility to be evolved through several processes to eventually become
a Pure Spiritus Mundi that is then able to perform a correct Alchemic Process.

You are missing a piece of this puzzle Mr Black. I know that, because despite me missing many pieces of the puzzle, I have one that you do not.

I wrote several rants here to debate this topic further but I think I've shared my viewpoint about the foundational principals of SM as thoroughly as I would like to, and I don't get any dopamine from trying to convince you that there is error in some of your views regarding SM.

What I do find interesting about what you have said, and would like to discuss, is the topic of the Philosophers Sulphur, since I believe you do indeed have more knowledge about this than I.

Tell me Mr Black, why do you think that SM attracts the Quintessence? And, where is this quintessence coming from?

I could have my terminology incorrect here, am I correct in thinking that Philosophical Sulfur is the same as Quintessense? Or would QE be more like, once the Mercury and Sulfur have become One?
 

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You are missing a piece of this puzzle Mr Black. I know that, because despite me missing many pieces of the puzzle, I have one that you do not.
[]...] I don't get any dopamine from trying to convince you that there is error in some of your views regarding SM.
@elixirmixer What piece(s) of the puzzle do you have and Black is missing? And what would you say is in error regarding his way? I'm noticing that Mr. Black is getting somewhat "aggressive" in his posts, judging by all the bold fonts and extensive use of words such as "fools" and "rubbish", etc...

I'm genuinely curious to hear your views regarding this.

The Purity of Our SM (Spiritus Mundi) is paramount to Alchemic success.
Green Lion writes about this very clearly ...... if any members are interested enough in Alchemy then do look for that post.
Green Lion is not a Fool and has no need to Pretend .... those that read his posts may gain valuable Alchemic insights.
That was more than a decade ago. Many practicing alchemists have refined and sometimes even substantially changed their approaches over the years. You would do well to ask again today.

Another point: There is NO such thing as "absolutely pure Spiritus Mundi" in tangible form. The so-called "purity" is determined by the Carrier Medium. The more subtle and "sulfur-poor" the Carrier Medium, the less hindrances there are for the Spiritus Potency to be optimally expressed.

For example, a very "light" gaseous carrier medium will only impress a very tiny signature/footprint. But still, there will be a signature. Even the so-called "vacuum" methods don't operate in absolute vacuum. When such a "light" Carrier Medium + Spiritus Passenger is alchemically condensed, it then appears as a highly volatile liquid, which can then be further fixed to the point where it is usable.

There is no SM (Spiritus Mundi) in urine.
Absolutely, NONE .... not even the tiniest molecule, total zilcho.
Still waiting for an honest reply on this one. Or a deflection. But a reply nevertheless.

Do you believe that "Spiritus Mundi" is a "molecule"?

Moreover, do you believe there are matters/materials in which "Spiritus Mundi" is COMPLETELY absent?

Your reply to this inquiry is fundamental, because it will give us all a reference baseline from which to assess all your other claims and statements in a much clearer light.
 

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I'm noticing that Mr. Black is getting somewhat "aggressive" in his posts, judging by all the bold fonts and extensive use of words such as "fools" and "rubbish", etc...
I'm not surprised, you, myself and Lakshama have been all three debating with black a lot lately. Sometimes all at the same time. And while I'm sure none of us have the intention of "ganging up" on our friend Black, I wouldn't be surprised if that's how the last couple weeks has made him feel. I look forward to the golden age where we may all simply share the work openly and the conversations flow a bit more naturally.

Black is a bit 'my way or the highway' without actually providing any evidence whatsoever which I would say is basically 'asking for it' in terms of sparking debate.

Anywho. While I don't mind people being confident in their views, I have before been lead by Mr blacks confidence down paths that ultimately didn't serve me, which is why I now feel the need to defend other viewpoints as valid, lest others should narrow their focus un-profitably.

@elixirmixer What piece(s) of the puzzle do you have and Black is missing? And what would you say is in error regarding his way?
Similarly to what you just said, I believe there are  other ways to obtain Mercurial Spirit that are more potent and more likely to be able to complete the work in its entirety. And I don't believe Black utilises these.

The puzzle piece I am referring to would be the very exposition I've recently displayed on this thread, the philosophical understanding about how the cosmos itself interacts with this life-force energy

An understanding of the metaphysical aspects and hermetic origins of our Agent provides the practitioner with practical ways of working with the spirit, in a more pure and potent form. And I believe GL was doing just that. As well as you, Andro, and a number of others that have blessed us with their presence over the years.

However I have never heard anything from black to indicate that he is utilising these ways, and it stands to reason then, at least where I'm looking from, that while Mr Black has the years and knowledge to conduct various stages of the alchemical process, he doesn't have the Celestial Nitre required to give strength to his work.

And it's rather paramount infact. Because without a deeper understanding of the fundamentals of the elemental nature of the backdrop of this world, and how those elements interact to cause a generation of Spiritus in the first place, then how can we ever 'ramp' it up?

If we are relying on Nature to do all of the work, sure, all well and good, if you have the patience for it to take FOREVER then why not.

But Art is an improvement on nature right? So it's for this reason that I feel like Black needs to further explore the fundamental qualities of the Spiritus from a theoretical standpoint rather than just it's imperical qualities in the form he has obtained it.

It would seem that quite a few have made some form of stone, but alas, not with supernatural power.

I speculate that it's the lack of "ramping" that's going on that is one of the main causes for this. You could even argue that there is genuinely less Mercury in the air aswell. We know the Earth's various "levels" of certain things change over time. Perhaps a couple of world wars and a few nukes going off hasn't done the alchemist any favours, but I digress.

There is also one other piece of the puzzle, that I received through revelation, that I speculate could be the key to serious ramping, however I haven't made it far enough practically to know whether or not it has any validity, but it is stored in my understanding of this picture (of which my understanding seems to differ substantially from others who have commented about it)

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But that might be a tale for another day.

To summerize, I have seen Black openly reject things that could be useful to him under the ideaology that they are "not alchemical". He continues to be stubborn on that, which could be loyalty and faith in his mentor or could just be blind sighting himself with pride. Who's to say. But the fact remains that there are many ways to work. And while the overall process my be more or less the same past a certain point, the preliminaries are important and can be performed in a myriad of ways, some better than others.

And THAT is the entire reason I haven't bothered to get in the lab in so many years now, because my intention is to master these preliminaries, internally, before trying to progress, since my final goal is to make a stone that actually has the virtue expressed by the Sages, and not just the 'Baby Version'. That's not to say that I wouldnt really enjoy making a baby version, and now that I feel my theoretical understanding cannot progress any further, I have begun preparing the laboratory again.
 
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You are missing a piece of this puzzle Mr Black. I know that, because despite me missing many pieces of the puzzle, I have one that you do not.
I'm all ears Mr. Mixer .... pray tell.
I wrote several rants here to debate this topic further but I think I've shared my viewpoint about the foundational principals of SM as thoroughly as I would like to, and I don't get any dopamine from trying to convince you that there is error in some of your views regarding SM.
Error you say in some of my views regarding SM .... please continue.
What I do find interesting about what you have said, and would like to discuss, is the topic of the Philosophers Sulphur, since I believe you do indeed have more knowledge about this than I.

Tell me Mr Black, why do you think that SM attracts the Quintessence?
Because that is it's Divine purpose.

There is no other way to obtain Universal Quintessence.
And, where is this quintessence coming from?
There are two processes and with one of them the SM can extract a Quintessence
from anything that is living (has consciousness) in the Three Realms.

With the other method if my memory serves me correctly .... I think Green Lion
suggested that SM could attract / collect a Universal Quintessence from the Black Sun.

And this theory sits very well with me.
I could have my terminology incorrect here, am I correct in thinking that Philosophical Sulfur is the same as Quintessense? Or would QE be more like, once the Mercury and Sulfur have become One?
It can be .... but more importantly is the process and the position in the process those words
are being used.

An example of this is an apple on a tree, we can also have apple cider, ferment this and
distill we have Alcohol, we can have apple pie, we can burn the apple to charcoal.

Here we see many processes that can be worked on an apple ... but with all the different
results the Alchemic writer may still call each and every one of these apple.

Because of the Process that is being described we can establish if we have an apple, apple cider, alcohol, an apple pie or charcoal.

Now imagine if our apple was named Quintessence, Red Oil, Philosophical Sulfur,
Materia Prima, Primum Ens, Our First Matter and many other names that can all be
appropriate to confuse a student that has never witnessed the process.

Can you see how Our Red Oil could be called SM ?
 

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I'm all ears Mr. Mixer .... pray tell.
I shall soon be making some rather significant upgrades to the laboratory and performing my work.

After I share my results then perhaps you can decide whether or not my words have any merit.

But I've been very clear about my stance on this topic and I have nothing left to say on the matter.

So you believe that the Quintessence comes from the black sun? Well that my friend is super super cool.

What is the difference between SM and Sulphur in your opinion black? Or are they two sides to the same coin? Does SM originate in the black sun also?

It blows my mind how the ancients could have been aware of such things.

Where is this Sun? The centre of the galaxy? I was just looking yesterday at videos talking about a mega dark object at the centre of the galaxy. I suppose this must be it then.
 

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Tell me Mr Black, why do you think that SM attracts the Quintessence?
Because that is it's Divine purpose. There is no other way to obtain Universal Quintessence.
You can answer anything with this blanket reply. Cope. That's what one says when one is basically clueless. Religion 101.

Here's the actual mechanics:

A genuine "Spiritus" is sulfur-poor, so it is "hungry" for it. It will intimately embed itself into the matter it is mixed with, and while the matter becomes more "reincrudated" or "universalized", the "Spiritus" becomes more "specified", by acquiring (not "extracting") the matter's Sulfur(s). It's a kind of trade-off, metaphysically speaking.

However, a GENUINE Universal Mercurial Spiritus doesn't "extract" anything. If your alleged SM readily "extracts" anything, you have a tincture-extracting menstruum, not an actual bonafied SM corporification. Which is cool. But it's NOT "alchemic". Sorry.

Although, with a generous interpretation in a wider sense of the word, we could label it an "extraction". But this is not the best description of what actually occurs. It's more of a "melding".

Only after the Spiritus and the Matter are "satiated" with each other (for lack of the better term), can we obtain an Alchemical Philosophical Mercury, of which there is a more volatile/Lunar fraction and a more fixed/Solar fraction. Those are nourished and rendered in sequence from the matter, Lunar fraction first. That's why it's important NOT to mix the Spiritus with specified matters, because it will itself become somewhat "specified" in the process. This is the reason that the best matter to work with is the Central Salt (hidden from sight but present in pretty much everything), which is truly Universal because it contains "Nature's Stem Cells" rather than already specified Sulfurs.

Here's the classic sequence:

Spiritus intimately embeds itself into the Universal Matter and starts awakening/reincrudating it.

A Universal Sulfur begins to "emerge" from the Dormant Seeds (of the Soon and the Loon) contained in the Matter.

("Dormant" because they are lacking Agency and are therefore quite inert.) See the "Sleeping Beauty" allegory.

The Lunar Fraction of the Sulfur is rendered first, which is our "White" Philosophical Mercury.

The White Ph. Mercury in turn nourishes and eventually renders the Solar Fraction, i.e. the "Red" Philosophical Mercury.

Afterwards, the Red and the White (Solar & Lunar Mercuries) are united into the "Trinity" of Sol, Luna & Spiritus.

This is the first, unmultiplied Ph. Stone.

To multiply it, we re-reincrudate it, and we feed it first with its own Milk and later with its own Blood.

As the saying goes, "Milk for Babes & Meat for Strong Men".
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This is the "classical" sequence for the Universal Way, but there may be multiple variations to it. Some practitioners, for example, prefer to incarnate the Lunar and the Solar Mercuries separately, in different matters, and unite them afterwards.

Note: When Spiritus and Gold mix intimately, the gold is NOT "dissolved" in the traditional way. A "Chymical" Menstruum would do that, but not a Universal Spirit.

With the other method if my memory serves me correctly .... I think Green Lion
suggested that SM could attract / collect a Universal Quintessence from the Black Sun.
Green Lion never suggested or implied such a thing. According to his suggested model, the "Light" we are condensing as Spiritus (not any sort of QE or Sulfur) is an emanation from the Black Sun.
 

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@Andro Let's say you wanted the "White" Stone. Would you simply just stop the work when you got to this White Philosophical Mercury? Is the white stone androgynous or is it Female? Or is there a way to 'finish off' the stone without the red manifestation.

I feel somewhat satiated myself listening to that, however if I was moved to ask a question it would be, how do we define this non-dissolution. Why does the Spiritus act so differently upon the metals as a normal solvent would. Do you believe we are really re-arranging these things on the subatomic level? I guess that's a silly question really. The reincridation is just so fascinating, it's the short term goal driving me forward at the moment just to be able to witness this.

Great breakdown. I thoroughly enjoyed that.
 

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@Andro Let's say you wanted the "White" Stone. Would you simply just stop the work when you got to this White Philosophical Mercury? Is the white stone androgynous or is it Female? Or is there a way to 'finish off' the stone without the red manifestation.
No. The White/Lunar Mercury is not a Full-Fledged Stone yet. It lacks the Fixed Component. If you want the proper White Stone, don't give the Royal Child its blood and stop at the white stage, before it goes to red. It will then be fixed but not fully blossomed into the Red Lapis.

I feel somewhat satiated myself listening to that, however if I was moved to ask a question it would be, how do we define this non-dissolution. Why does the Spiritus act so differently upon the metals as a normal solvent would.
I believe I've already addressed this. It's not a dissolution or extraction, it's an "acquisition". A "Corporate Merger", if you will. A very intimate "melding" where the above mentioned metaphysical trade-off occurs. That's why I don't recommend using already mature/specified Sulfurs/Matters for this "Melding".

Great breakdown. I thoroughly enjoyed that.
Glad you enjoyed it. It's been one of my most ever revealing posts on this platform so far.

But please consider that I am NOT the spokesman for "the truth" or for the "all-Knowing", etc...

It's just me and what I've learned over the years.
 

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@Andro it's music to my ears honestly. I've always enjoyed your talks, they resonate with me very well.

Do you believe that these three things, Spiritus, Sol and Luna, have their spiritual correspondence in the human being?

I guess the way I currently view it (in my admittedly naive scope) is that the Luna is like our thoughts. The Sol is the one projecting that which reflects back at us as thought, and Spiritus Mundi is like our awareness, or observation.

And so, through repeated observation of our thoughts we render a more mature Luna, which then gives rise to the awareness of the active part of the soul, the Solar Observer.

I'm interested to how you view the correspondence of the Great work to the human psyche, if at all.
 

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Do you believe that these three things, Spiritus, Sol and Luna, have their spiritual correspondence in the human being?
I'm interested to how you view the correspondence of the Great work to the human psyche, if at all.
The Soon and the Loon are the two "snakes" on the Caduceus. The central Channel/Rod/Staff is the Mercurial Spiritus.
Correspondences abound. The Loon is comparable to the right brain while the Soon to the left, etc.
The two energy channels along the spine, to the sides of the central one.
You can research the rest. It all fits in together, elegantly and coherently.