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Here is the recipe:

I think that this operation can be shortened by using concave mirrors to concentrate Sunlight and the water cooled in a ice bath or even better use ice instead of water!

Very valuable information about the importance of Solar light in Alchemy can be found here

Thanks T.P.

As a general statement to the forum, this is the most open, useful and relevant information on this subject (Spiritus Mundi) that I've seen so far. I would have also liked to see some (actually ANY) philosophical discussion on the Spiritus Mundi quotes that I provided earlier (which I thought was one of the key goals of this discussion), but I must have been mistaken.

It seems that most practical discussions often get lost in endless, purely chemical recipes or interpretations (rather than alchemical or even archemical processes or interpretations), and that true "philosophical" discussions rarely happen - most seem to mistake "philosophical discussion" for the provision of the most obscure hints possible or long-winded, childish "guessing games" to processes than may have no relevance to alchemy at all. We are always to take the credibility of the providers of these nebulous "hints" for granted, and waste valuable time on hints that are often no more helpful than the numerous hints already provided in the numerous treatises that are readily available. And all on the unquantified 'faith' that these people really do know what they are talking about and have actually made the PS rather than BS. :)

I believe that a true philosophical discussion on "Spiritus Mundi" should at least focus on the nature of light as the old alchemists viewed it, and how that light interacted with Nature (the four elements) to 'animate' it, or 'give it life'. As I mentioned earlier, if we are really interested in a truly open philosophical discussion (rather than an egotistical battle of who can provide the most obscure hint), there are numerous additional citations that could be provided, which could help shed some more "light" on this subject. Also, as T.P. has done, there are some very good practical experiments on how to test and interpret the meaning of these old philosophical writings.

I feel that being completely open in a philosophical discussion on the Spiritus Mundi does not necessarily violate any pledge to alchemical secrecy (there are enough secrets in the practical processes themselves so that the preparation of the PS is not freely given away to those who do not deserve the knowledge). The old alchemists were always completely open in the philosophical part of their treatises (at least according to the understanding of those times), and expected the novice to have a complete understanding of philosophical aspects and processes of Nature before entering the laboratory and focusing entirely on the practical work.

I feel that it's the attainment of the philosophical understanding itself that should make a novice worthy of the next step, which is to observe and test this understanding in a lab (the smaller world). The ability to solve riddles should not be the key test of a person's potential alchemical worth. Rather, it should be his or her ability to observe, understand and have intense awe for, the interaction between the visible and invisible processes of Nature.

At least that's my opinion, but I'm certainly open to other views.
 

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FomSigismond Bacstrom, Rosicrucian Aphorisms and Process:

In Nomine Dei Omnipotentis, qui nobis elementia sua tanta Dona largiri voluit! Cui sit gloria et laus sempereternus. Amen.

Aphorismi

Operis Maximi Antiquorum Sapientium

1 ~ The soul of Man as well as all rational Spirits (the Angels) consist (according to their primitive Essence) of the Spirit of the World or Anima Mundi and the power of reasoning. They are Unities and most simple, and consequently in their very essence immortal.

2 ~ In the Beginning God created the Universal Spirit or the Universal Agent of Nature, the Soul of the Universe.

This is the first emanation of Divine Light; it is a unity and immortal, capable of manifesting itself, when moved or agitated, into Light and Fire. It is multipliable and yet is and remains but one. It is Omnipresent and yet occupies no visible space or room, except when manifested or multiplied in its third principle, Fire.

It has the power of becoming material and of returning again to universality.

This is the subject of the Stone or Medicine of the Philosophers. The more you take this in its simple, universal, unspecified or unmarried state, the easier, simpler and greater is your work, but the more this subject is already specified the more troublesome prolix and expensive is your process.

3 ~ Our Magnet to attract it (although every subject in Nature is Magnetical) is Man, and principally (Hadamah, the Dust, red earth of Man), which in the months of March, April and May, the Sun in Aries and Taurus is abundantly found in the blood of a healthy man; the Spirit of the Universe during this season residing therein most abundantly, universally and unspecified.

Hadamah signifies the first man Adam or Red Earth, which appears when the subject is dried up. In Hadamah lies concealed the blood that precious fluid wherein dwells the Universal Spirit, attracted by inspiration, and the Dust of the Red Earth, left by itself when the Universal fire nature quits it.
This Universal Fire is truly Nature.

I.A.C.
 

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From Benedictus Figulus, A Golden and Blessed Casket of Nature's Marvels:

Aristotle says that every form of every nature, animal, vegetable, and mineral, is produced by the power
of matter, intrinsically, except the Human Soul, which, being of a different and higher nature than matter,
is given, extrinsically, by the Prime Motor, God Himself. It is this thing concerning which, all theologians
and physicians disputing, nevertheless mostly conclude the Soul of man to be not produced from a germ,
but, as it were, to be inspired and poured into the foetus in its mother’s womb, by God the Author of all
life.
But, since two different things cannot be mixed or joined into one, and the Soul being a certain Divine
light and substance, emanating immortal from Divine springs, so produced, incorporeally, that it is
dependent on the virtue of the Agent, no on the bosom of matter, the same is a primum mobile, and. As
they say, spontaneous and self-moving: And, on the other hand, the Body is wholly earthly matter,
having its origin in gross, rank. Elementary matter, mortal of itself, unfit for motion, and therefore far
inferior to the Soul; wherefore it can never be united to the Soul, so different from itself, except through
a third, a medium participating in the nature of each, a quasi-body and quasi-soul, by which the Soul may
be added and joined to the Body.
But such medium they suppose to be the Spirit or Soul of the World, i.e., what we call Fifth Essence,
because it consists not of the four elements, but is a certain fifth one, above and beside them. Such Spirit
necessarily requires, as it were, a binding chain, whereby Celestial Souls may bestow on grosser bodies
strength and wondrous gifts; as also God and Man cannot be united except through a Medium, our
Savior Christ, participating in the two natures, Celestial and Terrestrial, Divine and Human. But this
spirit is of the same form in the greater world as in the lesser, i.e., the human body, our spirit, which
arises from the former, and is with it one and the same spirit.
For, as the forces of our soul are through the natural spirit applied to the members, so is the virtue of the
World’s soul diffused through all things by the same spirit, or fifth essence. For the life and forces of all
inferior species, which philosophers are wont to call souls or lives, are distributed by that ethereal or
celestial spirit throughout all the elements, as it were, by the members, into the body of the Universal
World, first by God Himself, then by intelligent beings, then by the stars, and lastly by the Sun, as it were
the Heart of Heaven. And again, this Spirit being taken away, bodies return to that whence they came;
and thus the Human Soul, according to the Platonic School, proceeding from Highest Heaven, from God
Himself, is, by proper media, joined to our viler body. In that first descent, also, the soul is enfolded in the
ethereal and ardent corpuscle which they call the ethereal vehicle of the Soul, while we name it the Spirit
of the World and Fifth Essence. Through this medium, by command of God, Who is the Centre of the
greater world, the Soul descends and is poured into the heart, which is the center of the lesser world i.e.,
the human body), and from thence is diffused through all the parts and members of its body, when,
joining its vehicle (or chariot) to natural heat, through the spiritual heat born in the heart, the Soul is
immersed in the blood, and by it equally diffused in the members. Thus it is patent how the Immortal Soul
is enclosed in this viler body, viz., by means of the ethereal vehicle. But when the bonds between the
Celestial Soul and natural vital spirit are loosened by disease, then the Soul, withdrawing from the
members, flows back to the heart, the first receptacle of Soul and Life. From the heart, the Soul, leaving
the vital natural spirit, flies away with its vehicle into the Heavens, when, being followed by guardian
genii and demons, they lead it before the Judge. Then, according to the Sentence, God joyfully conducts
the good souls to glory, but a raging demon snatches away the bad to punishment. And the Body returns
to the earth whence it came. Thus man dies. Hence it is plain that the daily preserving of the Soul in the
body --- that is, our life --- and the avoiding of diseases, and that the greatest dissolution of Soul and
Body, called death, depend on the vehicle of the Soul, viz., the Celestial and our natural Spirit, and so the
same has been by various authors called by different names. Some term it Spirit or Soul of the World,
others Celestial Fire, others again Vital Spirit, Natural Heat, by which nothing else is denoted than that
oft mentioned Spirit of things celestial and inferior, the gluten of Body and Soul. On examining the thing
more fully, this is simply the heat and humour of Sun and Moon, for we know the administration of the
Heavens and all bodies under the Heavens to be appointed to the Sun and Moon; the Sun is the Lord of al
virtues of the elements; the Moon, by virtue of the Sun, the mistress of generation, of increase and
decrease. Hence Albumansar says that life is poured into all things through the Moon and Sun; and
therefore they are called by Orpheus the vivifying eyes of Heaven. Whence also the saying --- the Sun
and man generate man; for the Sun sits as a King among the planets, in magnitude, beauty, and light
excelling all, illuminating all, dispensing virtue to them as well as to inferior things, and abundantly
bestowing light and life, not only in Heaven and the Air, but also in the earth and profoundest depths of
the Abyss. Whatever good we possess is from the Sun whence Heraclitus deservedly calls it the Fount of
Heavenly Light, and many of the Platonic School have located the World’s Soul principally therein,
which Soul, filling the Sun’s whole globe, pours its rays (or spirit) everywhere, throughout all things,
distributing Life, Sense, and Motion to the Universe itself. And as in animate beings the heart rules the
whole body, so does the Sun rule and govern Heaven and Earth and all that in tem is. But the Moon, the
Earth’s nearest neighbor, by the velocity of its monthly course, is joined to the Sun and other planets, and
receiving their rays and influences as in an espousal, and, as it were, bringing forth, communicates to and
shed upon its near neighbor, the earth, all life and motion.
 

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We are always to take the credibility of the providers of these nebulous "hints" for granted.

We are not to take anything for granted. Better switch from complaining to discerning. Our 'Inner Hermes' is required for this.

About processes dealing with harnessing the rays of the visible sun via lenses/mirrors: To the best of my knowledge (based on some handwritten documents from the era), these were known as 'optical/caloric' methods in the 16th-17th centuries, and may occasionally result in powders with some healing abilities. However: Not only according to my own understanding and practice, but also according to the most purist 'source materials', when working on the artistic condensation of Spiritus Mundi, we are NOT dealing with the light of the visible sun.

If anything, vulgar sunlight should be rather detrimental to the first phases of condensation - the Lunar Stage of 'Common Mercury' (Immaterial >>>Vapor >>> Water), and this is also backed up by the more purist 'source material'. I'm sure you all know the relevant quotes by heart... Neither is the visible light reflected by the physical moon necessary for the Lunar Stage of the manifestation.

It's Father is The Sun, It's Mother is The Moon

By this we are guided to understand the 'parental' function of polarity interplay, that I've been talking about in another post. This polarity interplay is THE key to creating artificial 'backdoor' gateways for Spiritus Mundi to be driven from it's immaterial habitat and ex-creted into our physical realm in undetermined form, especially since the Original Archetypal Polarities (Nothing/Something) lie at the very core of the mystery of Perpetual Genesis and of the Generation of Spiritus Mundi via the tension between Oppo-Sames (symbolized by the sign of the cross).

The ability to solve riddles should not be the key test of a person's potential alchemical worth.
Rather, it should be his or her ability to observe, understand and have intense awe for, the interaction between the visible and invisible processes of Nature.

The ability to observe and understand these interactions causes the 'riddles' to no longer be riddles.

WITHOUT this ability, the 'riddles' are unsolvable anyway, so there isn't really a 'test' - only means to try and trigger/activate our 'Inner Hermes/Observer'.

WITH this ability, there are no riddles to be solved - so there are also no 'tests', but rather ways of sharing with other Observers...

IMO :)

Then, according to the Sentence, God joyfully conducts the good souls to glory, but a raging demon snatches away the bad to punishment.

On the lower astral planes, this is actually a quite common occurrence for 'departed' spirits who still hold on to these particular belief systems.
Fortunately, we all move beyond these religious/cultural induced traps, eventually...

However, this could also be interpreted as an allegory for the Philosophical Art of Separation of the pure from the impure, of the subtle (spirit) from the gross (matter).
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Better switch from complaining to discerning.

Don't worry - I do a lot of discerning. The "complaint" was just an honest observation.

However: Not only according to my own understanding and practice, but also according to the most purist 'source materials', when working on the artistic condensation of Spiritus Mundi, we are NOT dealing with the light of the visible sun.

According to the alchemists I have read, it is not just the "light" from the visible sun, but also the reflected "light" from the Moon and the "light" from the stars. In addition, there is a "light"emanating from the center of the earth.
By this we are guided to understand the 'parental' function of polarity interplay, that I've been talking about in another post. This polarity interplay is THE key to creating artificial 'backdoor' gateways for Spiritus Mundi to be driven from it's immaterial habitat and ex-creted into our physical realm in undetermined form, especially since the Original Archetypal Polarities (Nothing/Something) lie at the very core of the mystery of Perpetual Genesis and of the Generation of Spiritus Mundi via the tension between Oppo-Sames (symbolized by the sign of the cross).

Interesting concept. Can you provide some original sources which elaborate on this theory?

The ability to observe and understand these interactions causes the 'riddles' to no longer be riddles.

Then what is the point of riddles in the first place? Wouldn't it be more productive to focus on the interactions themselves?

WITHOUT this ability, the 'riddles' are unsolvable anyway, so there isn't really a 'test'

I wasn't referring to intrinsic tests - I was referring to the biased judgements often made by those who present themselves as Adepts to the novices.

Fortunately, we all move beyond these religious/cultural induced traps, eventually...

I would hope so, but there still seem to be billions in the world who haven't yet seemed to have let go.
 

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I would hope so, but there still seem to be billions in the world who haven't yet seemed to have let go.

To quantify this statement, some sources state that about 4.5 billion people on earth belong to either the Christian, Islamic or Hindu faith. About 1.1 billion people claim some sort of "nonreligious" affiliation.
 

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According to the alchemists I have read, it is not just the "light" from the visible sun, but also the reflected "light" from the Moon and the "light" from the stars.
In addition, there is a "light"emanating from the center of the earth.

This 'Light' is in fact the Spirit which is enabled to act upon matter via 'Gateways' provided by bodies such as the ones you mentioned.

When harnessing the physical sun via optical means, I believe we are dealing with Spirit that is already specified to visible light and to heat.

I was tempted to conduct some 'opticalorical' experiments in the past, but something happened that entirely deconstructed and subsequently re-formed my perspective and my practical applications.

Interesting concept. Can you provide some original sources which elaborate on this theory?

I am not aware of any 'original' sources elaborating on this more than the sources we are already familiar with. I'll see if I can find anything...
But not everything is elaborated upon in texts... unless we also count Nature as our textbook and our 'Inner Hermes' as our torch/guiding light to illuminate its pages.

Also, quoting myself from another thread:

"The Universal Key to the Art is the Revelation concerning the Mystery of Genesis, which needs to be completely internalized, not only mentally, but also emotionally, with one's whole being.
This cannot be 'taught', it needs to come from within. Theorizing and arguing about it serves no purpose, since one simply KNOWS.

It is the kind of revelation which is very difficult to contain and process by most people, and even if understood to some degree without the ability to fully process it internally, it can really mess up one's mind and lead to an extremely disturbing experience if one is not 'ready'. One should also be careful not to confuse KNOWING with religious or scientific dogma or belief. Such confusion places one at the level of a 'False Summit', and more often than not this results in internal friction, which in turn is subconsciously 'repressed' in order to preserve the belief system."

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...those who present themselves as Adepts to the novices.

This is an age-old pathology. As long as there are novices, there will be charlatans to take advantage of them, or, even worse, the 'False Summit' types and their good intentions.
This is very unfortunate, but it's part of the game and a great terrain for (sometimes hard) lessons in discernment.

I would hope so, but there still seem to be billions in the world who haven't yet seemed to have let go.
[...] some sources state that about 4.5 billion people on earth belong to either the Christian, Islamic or Hindu faith.
About 1.1 billion people claim some sort of "nonreligious" affiliation.

It is also possible to 'let go' after departing the physical body, and for some, even after departing the astral plane.
It doesn't have to occur while physically incarnated, and for most - it doesn't, as per the above mentioned statistical sources.
However, eventually, we DO all move on... It's inevitable :)
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This 'Light' is in fact the Spirit which is enabled to act upon matter via 'Gateways' provided by bodies such as the ones you mentioned.

When harnessing the physical sun via optical means, I believe we are dealing with Spirit that is already specified to visible light and to heat.

I agree with both these statements.

I was tempted to conduct some 'opticalorical' experiments in the past, but something happened that entirely deconstructed and subsequently re-formed my perspective and my practical applications.

Can you elaborate? The experience must have been quite profound.

I'll see if I can find anything..
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Thank you.

But not everything is elaborated upon in texts... unless we also count Nature as our textbook and our 'Inner Hermes' as our torch/guiding light to illuminate its pages.

That's often the best teacher(s). However, many of the past sages state that Alchemy involves a unique process unknown to Science that Nature cannot do herself. Thus it must be learned either through a profound, inspired revelation or through the assistance of another who has previously gained this knowledge.

Also, quoting myself from another thread:

The Universal Key to the Art is the Revelation concerning the Mystery of Genesis

Several past alchemists have mentioned this. They see a lot of parallels between the story of Genesis and Alchemy. But with all such stories, they are very open to interpretation, and are often more useful in hindsight than in foresight.

This is very unfortunate, but it's part of the game and a great terrain for (sometimes hard) lessons in discernment.

The lesson can be quite painful, especially to those who like to remain positive and see "good" in people of similar interest. The discernment seems to extend to many past treatises as well.

It is also possible to 'let go' after departing the physical body, and for some, even after departing the astral plane.
It doesn't have to occur while physically incarnated, and for most - it doesn't, as per the above mentioned statistical sources.
However, eventually, we DO all move on... It's inevitable :)

There are many who believe that we keep returning to the earthly realm after death in subsequent incarnations, until certain lessons have been learned and the personality has evolved spiritually.
 

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According to the doctrine of the alchemists, Spiritus Mundi is that universal agent in Nature which promotes the growth of all living beings. That means that Spiritus Mundis is something different and not the same thing with the common mercury / first solvent of the alchemists and we don't acquire that Spiritus Mundi under a liquid form, nor in the beginning nor in any other phase of the practice, as the author of this topic seems to affirm.

As Spiritus Mundi is that agent which promotes the growth of all natural things, it is easy to understand that to capture/attract it, it is essential to use a proper magnet, and this magnet is only one and at the same time many magnets, and is the spore inside its proper matrix. Plant spore in the soil is such a magnet. Male sperm in female womb is such a magnet. The metallic spore in its proper matrix is such a magnet. At the first two cases, which concerns living beings, Nature is able to capture Spiritus Mundi by herself. That doesn't happen in the third case, so the Artist has to kill the living to revive the dead.

And when the Artist has reached the point where the attraction of Spiritus Mundi has taken place, he shall not see some special liquid or water in his vial, but a growing process which obeys to a fundamental natural law, symbolized under the Greek letter X. Fulcanelli, in his Dwellings, analyzed in great depth that essential point of the practice. When this has taken place the old authors says that the Stone has acquired a Soul. "At that phase of the Work", says Philalethes, "you shall see your Mercury sprout and grow like a tree". Bernard, earl of Trevisan, affirms the same thing. And not only like a tree, but like the nervous or circulatory system of an animal, and any other system which acts like a circuit for the circulation of the vital fluids.

So the first thing which the Artist must seek is that special solvent / common mercury of the alchemists (work of Nature) which is not Spiritus Mundi under a liquid form. He has to accomplish his philosophical dissolution with this solvent to extract the spore out of the metallic body and, following the example of the farmer, plant this spore to its suitable earth (work of Art). After that he has to let Nature accomplish the capturing of Spiritus Mundi and the growing of the new formed body. Philalethes says that, Trevisan says that, Fulcanelli says that, and especially Nature and the Hermetical law of analogy teaches this to us everyday. That is the truth and the only truth.
 

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Hi Hellin Hermetist,

According to the doctrine of the alchemists, Spiritus Mundi is that universal agent in Nature which promotes the growth of all living beings.

Not merely 'growth', but the entire cycle of generation, preservation, destruction and regeneration.

That means that Spiritus Mundi is something different and not the same thing with the common mercury / first solvent of the alchemists.

I disagree. I perceive 'Common Mercury' as Universal (common) Spirit in its First/Initial/Lunar/Passive/'Needy'/'Thirsty' incarnational phase.

The Lunar (Spirit/Mercury) Principle is SO 'needy' for the Solar (Soul/Sulfur) Principle that it will feed/fuse itself with anything that comes along. See the 'Universal Harlot' concept.

The most interesting part is that if it doesn't 'get some', it will make it's own, and THEN 'eat it'... but not without tension/resistance... Here, we are really touching upon the Mystery of Genesis...

we don't acquire that Spiritus Mundi under a liquid form, nor in the beginning nor in any other phase of the practice

The Vapor/Water is an Incarnational Matrix for the undetermined (and at first extremely volatile) Spirit to incarnate (become fixed) in corporeal form.

The 'Immaterial >>> Vapor >>> Water' sequence is also referred to in the sourced quotes from the earlier posts of this thread.

The liquid matrix may be deemed 'superfluous', and dispensed of at one stage or another (depending on how we work).

"My water just broke!" - - - The 'baby' is 'fixed' :)
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So the first thing which the Artist must seek is that special solvent / common mercury of the alchemists (work of Nature)

If you have found the common mercury/universal solvent readily available via the works of un-aided Nature, you know more than I do, and I can not possibly argue with that statement.

He has to accomplish his philosophical dissolution with this solvent to extract the spore out of the metallic body

This is certainly possible and a valid way to Work. However, it can over-complicate things... The most 'difficult' part about The Work is its simplicity.

Not many are aware that the Lunar incarnational phase moves by itself to the Solar birth (self-impregnation via auto-feedback), resulting in the Hermaphrodite (BOTH So(u)l AND Luna in the flask).

When this has taken place the old authors says that the Stone has acquired a Soul

This most likely also refers to the above mentioned Solar Birth (the 'Virgin' Birth of the Solar Child/Side, the emergence of the First Sulfur from the 'Mercurial Sea', when the 'Male' side emerges from the self-impregnating Passive Principle). This is the incarnational phase of the Hermaphrodite, when the matter has a 'female' side and a 'male' side. It is marked by a change in color.

This is an Image Excerpt describing the Hermaphrodite Incarnational Stage:

HermStage.jpg


"The Undetermined Tears of Diana, after Apollo has appeared." (Urbigerus)
This finally leads to the Alchemical Marriage, evetually resulting in the Philosophical Androgyne.

The marriage is marked by the Sulfur/Solar Child being 'killed'/'devoured' by its 'Maternal Bride' while the relationship is 'consummated'/'consumed'.

This 'consummation' signals the Black Stage (NO putrefaction before Sulfur is present), followed by the sequence of colors we are all familiar with, ending with the Homogeneous Androgyne.

This Homogeneous Androgyne is no longer an internally self-antagonizing and polarity-split Hermaphrodite. I hope I've explained the difference clearly enough.

I can't stress enough the importance of understanding this Incarnational Sequence.

This Philosophical Sequence not only happens in the flask of the Alchemist, but in our spiritual lives as well, as we undergo our correspondent Initiations. Some of you may know what I am talking about.
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So, to wrap it up - it is NOT an absolute requirement to extract any spore from a foreign body (even if several Authors discuss this variation).

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we don't acquire that Spiritus Mundi under a liquid form, nor in the beginning nor in any other phase of the practice

Let's not confuse the baby with the bathwater...

Also, it appears that the jury is still out (between various authors) regarding the philosophical definitions of this phenomenon, like for example the 'Golden Chain' previously quoted by Illen:

Thus Humidity or Water is the Body, the Vehicle and Tool, but the spirit or fire is the Operator, the Universal Agent and fabricator of all Natural Things. This universal fire fills that immense space in the Universe between the heavenly bodies, and as it has a power to become material, it generates a subtle vapor or invisible most subtle Humidity, its first passive principle. [...]from fire and water, or spirit enclosed in Humidity all things in the World are generated, preserved, destroyed and regenerated.

And from 'The Confession of Trithemius':

"This Breath is the Spirit or Soul of the World and is called SPIRITUS MUNDI.

It was at first like air, then condensed into a nebulous substance or fog, and finally transmuted itself into water.

This Spiritual Light which we call Nature or Soul of the World is a spiritual body which may be rendered visible and tangible by Alchemical Processes."
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"It is not the Philosopher's Stone, but this may be prepared from it by fixing the volatile."
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That is the truth and the only truth.

I'm sure it is... for you. Especially if you really, really believe it. But I would be careful with such statements...

I would rather say that IF there is any 'ONLY Truth' - it lies in Principles and Archetypes, for which there can be a wide variety of applications, in Nature as well as in Art.

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Or, we could take it even further, even to the extreme, and affirm that there IS NO 'TRUTH'.

That ALL of 'Creation' is actually completely IMAGINARY, a self-invented and auto-propagating LIE that totally believes itself... Including this very statement that I've just stated...

And that there is no NOTHING, but also that only NOTHING is real.

And that at the basis of all possible (and inevitable) realities, lies (!) the most amazing Paradox.

How's that for 'Truth'?

From the movie 'Hurlyburly':

Eddie: "I lie to myself. I'm a really great liar. And I'm very gullible."

In any case, thank you very much for your input. It IS a philosophical discussion, after all :)
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This is certainly possible and a valid way to Work. However, it can over-complicate things... The most 'difficult' part about The Work is its simplicity.

Agreed! ....and also in that it is exceedingly cheap,... everyone is looking for an expensive, and exotic first matter and apparatus to begin their work,...they travel far and wide searching for it and will pay any price instead of first esteeming that stone outside of his own house which "man kicks away with his foot that which could be more valuable to him than his best cow...if only he knew what great mysteries were put into it by God by means of the spirit of nature." The key with this thread and what I believe the originator is trying to accomplish is in understanding how to intercept that said spirit of nature before it goes into said stone and fixes itself therein which only complicates the process as Bacstrom said in the quote above when he said "This is the subject of the Stone or Medicine of the Philosophers. The more you take this in its simple, universal, unspecified or unmarried state, the easier, simpler and greater is your work, but the more this subject is already specified the more troublesome prolix and expensive is your process."...and that can be accomplished by intercepting it and fixing it to itself so that it remains indeterminate and in an unspecified state, in other words pure spiritus mundi or pure nothing or pure consciousness however you want to view it, the classics say it is like a chamelion for it puts on all garments and all colors. Also I agree that to be able to come up with a practical method of condensing it into a tangible form from its universal fuming state we must first learn the basic philosophical and archetypal and elemental tenents that come into play in how it procedes from the astral realm into this one, same goes with the processes and recipes upon vulgar or tangible matters given also in the classics,... instead of following them blindly we must seek to see the spirit behind the letter, and recognize the invisible magnetical processes that is going on, then we must be careful that we "do not kill or eat the messenger"... besides that I see nothing wrong with recipes and said processes.

Let's not confuse the baby with the bathwater...

Let's also not toss them out together
 
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what I believe the originator is trying to accomplish is in understanding how to intercept that said spirit of nature before it goes into said stone and fixes itself therein which only complicates the process [...] and that can be accomplished by intercepting it and fixing it to itself so that it remains indeterminate and in an unspecified state [...] to be able to come up with a practical method of condensing it into a tangible form from its universal fuming state we must first learn the basic philosophical and archetypal and elemental tenents that come into play in how it procedes from the astral realm into this one

Thank you. This is exactly what I am trying to accomplish.

we must seek to see the spirit behind the letter, and recognize the invisible magnetical processes that is going on [...] I see nothing wrong with recipes and said processes

I've started this thread because after all the time I've been working in my lab and participating in Forums (actually, only this Forum...), I have seen how some people either hunt for 'recipes' without any desire to understand the Natural Philosophy in its most naked beauty and simplicity, OR over-complicate (over-specify :)) everything when applying their understandings in practical work, or by endless auto-tail-chasing with authorship disputes, collections of books, lineages, methods, psycho-phonetics, etc... I perfectly understand that this is a phase that probably most of us must go through.

Aspiring Alchemists who are ready to move (or have already moved) beyond this phase, ARE the reason I want to keep 'recipes', processes, methods and pseudo-philosophical matters AWAY from this thread, because they can close the mind and the heart when one lacks a solid base in Natural Philosophy. There are more than enough threads to discuss 'recipes' and other such topics. Nothing 'wrong' with that. Just not on this thread. Even better, we can apply what we learn (or UN-Learn) here, when we go to other threads to discuss methods and formulas.

we must be careful that we "do not kill or eat the messenger"

Ha-ha, you seem to catch the more subtle points :D

Let's also not toss them out together

Yeah, that's the whole point of the baby/bathwater analogy...
 

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To summarize, so far:

Spiritus Mundi is being pressed/expressed into our physical realm through 'Gateways' created by interaction fields between oppo-same polarities in or between bodies, some better than others.

It incarnates gradually according to a determined sequence: Immaterial > Subtle Vapor/Mist > assuming a Material Matrix (sometimes referred to as 'Our Water' in the so-called 'Wet Way').
The Female/Passive Principle (Common Mercury) incarnates first, then, if 'caught'/'isolated', it generates the Male/Active Principle by itself via self-impregnation (Auto-Feedback, generating Self-Awareness).
When the two Principles are side by side in an unmarried state, we have our Hermaphrodite.
Then, the Marriage takes place, and the subsequent putrefaction and color sequence - death and re-birth into the Androgynous state.

Spiritus Mundi descends from the Celestial Bodies, just as it ascends via the Earth's own Gateways.

We can 'catch' it in either way, if we find the best sources/gateways for Life-Force in Nature, and also (for example) in Hermetic Architecture at times.

Let us then look and observe where Nature generates its strongest and most balanced Fields/Fluxes between the Parental Polarities.
Let us find Nature's best 'Gateways', so we can either use them or emulate them in our 'Lab' practice.

Why, in various Particulars, involving (for example), rainwater - we are advised to collect the water in conjunction with a thunderstorm?
Why, in Bacstroms's 'Aphorisms and Process', are we advised to 'electrify' the vessel a few times for better results?

I've been talking a lot about polarity interplay... Go back to the story of the omnipotent Separator, and note well the conditions/circumstances of his appearance.
Also pay attention to the Knight in the story. And if inclined, check out my last POST in the 'Separator' thread, as it provides an important lead, connecting back to this thread and to Spiritus Mundi in general.

Let us also remember that we are dealing (at first) with extremely subtle and volatile energies, and that vulgar lab operations (such as what we commonly use - distillations, calcinations, etc...) -
may well be misplaced in our truly Philosophical Practice, which, as many treatises mention, may in fact be one single operation that is NOT performed by hands....
(IF working the 'Purist Way'), relying on Nature to 'know' the right proportions...

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This short summary already covers a great portion of my observations, insights and understandings so far - although there are things that I am (still?) not able to put into words.

I will gladly continue this line if anyone shows any interest in discussing the topics I have brought up and elaborated on so far.

We'll have to see where this is going :)
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Hello all!!! It's been a while, as I believe I slipped into a short nigrado phase after my girlfriend(22 years old) was diagnosed with cancer. She had to have her thymus removed and tumors on her heart. She just finished radiation treatment and things are beginning to looking up.

Today is the first day I've read from this forum in a while and I found the recent posts in this thread quite serendipitous since I was just speaking with Dr Milewski through email today about laminar crystals and Super Light. If you read his theories on super light, they seem to parallel many descriptions of spirit mundi. http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/milewski.htm
Last night I was reading from Regardie's "The Tree of Life" and came across the chapter on The Astral Light, it appears to also be the same substance we are seeking. I believe the same material or rather immaterial has been most commonly referred to as the ether. I could be wrong in my observations, So please correct me if I'm wrong...

P.S. Solomon, pm me with an address to send The Gateway Experience series as I've finally purchased a new computer :)
 

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Spiritus Mundi is being pressed/expressed into our physical realm through 'Gateways' created by interaction fields between oppo-same polarities in or between bodies, some better than others.

In one experiment, I use two magnets opposing each other in order to create some interesting/abnormal condition in the between and hopefully measure it. I wonder, should I make them face North-North or South-South? Supposedly the North pole projects a stream of "energy" outwards, while the South sucks it in, creating emptiness.
 

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Supposedly the North pole projects a stream of "energy" outwards, while the South sucks it in, creating emptiness.

I'm not sure about North and South, but the Positive side projects and the Negative side sucks it in.
In Astrology for example - North is Dark/Lunar/Passive/Negative, while South is the opposite.

I myself have never really experimented with permanent magnets, but I'm sure that facing same polarity sides can give interesting results,
similar to the infamous counter-rotating fields of the Philadelphia Experiment or other UFO stuff...

This is also not exactly what I had in mind with 'Oppo-Sames' - but this is the beauty of it!
People can draw their own ideas and applications from studying these principles :)

I myself am not really knowledgeable on this subject. I guess it's up to you to pursue this line of research :)
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^^ I hear energy flows out of the north pole and into the south pole : http://higherselfguides.com/free-articles/personal-growth/forgiveness/

Magnetic fields are great for creating a field to capture energy. Magnets and vortex action is how I make my trap-water, the water once spun through the magnetic field is quite energetic and has an oil floating on the top. I hear you can extract this oil with ether and obtain a buttery type of grease. I've even been told that this grease will dissolve gold...

I just watched a dvd on a talk by William Henry called "Anointing of the Dove". In this lecture he spoke alot on alchemy and 2012. His theory is that "The Dove" is the Manna that fell from the sky in the bible and that the Earth is constantly being bombarded with this primal energy that springs forth from a black hole in the center of our galexy. As the alignment nears we will be flooded with more and more of this Manna. The building blocks of the universe.

In the meantime though, we'll still need to find a practical way to capture this material that is at once everything as well as the field that contains it.
 

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Whatever it is you guys are experimenting with, in attempting to understand and apply the principles, keep in mind the concept of 'Portal' or 'Gateway' - much like opening a sort of 'window' into matter.

Also keep in mind that Nature's Fields/Portals/Gateways are not quite the same as our more modern developments.

I cordially recommend attempting to understand and internalize the principles, observe carefully how Nature 'does it' and then employ your Art to take it one small step beyond :)

"One small step for Man..." etc...

(Couldn't help it :))
 

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energy that springs forth from a black hole

To me (personal view), Black Holes are a more like Remoras than like Salamanders :)

I would take the theories of Milewski and various 'Black Hole' theories with a grain of salt and a grain of pepper, too.
As a matter of fact, I would take EVERYTHING with a grain (of something), and ALWAYS use my own discernment.
Still, I'm sure something may be extracted from these theories, as long as we don't take the whole Lock, Stock and Barrel for granted.

We can't inspect Black Holes in person, but we can definitely observe the mechanics of Natural Cycles here on Earth.

It is for good reason that 'Hermes' Old Nature Way' makes frequent use of the term 'Little Farmer'.

Generally, for myself, I try to apply the K.I.S.S. rule to the best of my ability...
 

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Another related Mutus Androgynus:

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You may be familiar with both Archetypal Images, but perhaps not juxtaposed like that...
 

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Thanks the for input guys.

Magnetic fields are great for creating a field to capture energy. Magnets and vortex action is how I make my trap-water, the water once spun through the magnetic field is quite energetic and has an oil floating on the top.
This oil is something that you isolate from inside the water (preexisting in there) or is it generated out of nothing and just captured by the water? Are there any fluctuations in the volume produced in accordance with the lunar phase? (full moon, bigger volume of oil produced).
 

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^^ Originally it was proposed that the magnets were forcing the m-state elements in the water into the top center of the vortex(Where the water is collected). Others have thought that it is manifested from the ether due to the action of the magnets working with the vortex and vacuum created. There is more oil noted at the time closest to the full moon and other energetic alignments... Here is a link to water trap information: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/magtrap.htm

I believe this may have been posted in the forum somewhere before, but here it is again for those who missed it: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/airtrap.htm

I know this is considered an "ormus" related topic, but it may also be relevant in this thread if what's being isolated is......
 

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Are there any fluctuations in the volume produced in accordance with the lunar phase? (full moon, bigger volume of oil produced).

I don't know about magnet/vortex implementations (such as water traps), but from my own experience with other ways of applying the aforementioned principles, there is a more pronounced 'manifestation out of nowhere' during Full Moons.

I know this is considered an "Ormus" related topic, but it may also be relevant in this thread if what's being isolated is......

I feel that the 'magnetic/vortex trap' applications you guys are talking about are somehow closer (in principle) to the 'Spiritus Mundi' phenomenon than the regular so called 'Ormus' extractions with vulgar corrosives. I think those two VERY different approaches got stuck under the same 'Ormus' category in a rather arbitrary way, due to lack of better understanding.

I think it may well be worth investigating, if only because of the somehow qualitative similarity to the principles behind Spiritus Mundi manifestation.

But let's not dismiss other lines of inquiry, either...
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Still within the above 'magnetic trap' context, here are a few quotes from one of the very few pages worth their virtual ink (IMO) on the subtleenergies website (also linked above by Nibiru):

"This is where 'traditional' alchemy has become divorced from biology. How is distilling lead acetate going to lead to alchemy?
The people who use this stuff do not understand the relationship between this salt and its aether parent."
"The full moon/eclipse is essentially a gravitational issue - not lunar reflected EM light.
I can collect our white matter indoors, away from actual moonlight from a water vortex tube as well as a dew condenser."
"Ormus is also responsive to magnetic fields as well, as the vortrap design itself makes use of."
"My emerging view is that these two energy systems, gravitational and magnetic fields, are carriers of ormus - bringing ormus in and out of the strictly physical world."
"In Gravity - when sun/moon/earth line up, there is more 'salt' in the dew.
In astrological terms, the two poles (sun/moon) are in equilibrium."
"In Magnetic field - ormus stabilises in a magnetic field vacuum, i.e. in magnetically shielded vessels.
This is the breakdown of magnetic field polarity we all usually do experimental work in.
Perhaps a nil magnetic field is a 'hole' in which ormus can manifest physically."
"Aqua regia is not the only way to dissolve gold. The alchemists used 'Mercury'. This is a confusing kind of technical term. As a solvent, it is really about the fixation of the universal spirit in the air (also called Universal Mercury, i.e. LIFE) onto matter from any of the three kingdoms. It is a merging of Life energy and matter. The tangible matter which is usually a salt, after the life spirit has been fixed on it, has its chemical and physical properties seriously bent. A sublimate from this union acquires a new property in that it can now dissolve gold - no HCl/HNO3. Not a fantasy. Our group has done it.

'Mercury' was never intended to be the silver liquid Hg metal. It referred to the LIFE, whether intangible in space or as a tangible oil/sublimate when bonded to matter. One generation after Paracelsus, physicians prescribed Hg to be ingested for syphilis. Paracelsus cured this disease with "Mercury", but he intended by this term the Life principle, not Hg. He was addressing his disciples who knew what he meant.

The Philosopher's Stone according to the crushing majority of alchemical tracts is the result of a process. It is a process of evolution through death and rebirth brought about by the captured Mercury. It is clearly described as being NOT available to simply pick up off the ground or extract - as ready-made Philosophers Stone. The Mercury in the air, (read Life), when bonded to a matter gives a 'philosophical vitriol', a salt of unusual physico-chemical properties. This is digested and it separates into a red and white 'Mercury' - as oils, and a solid. These in union gave rise to the evolutionary process described by so many alchemists. In fact it is the manipulation of the white and red that is the beginning of most tracts. They assume you already have these."

(SOURCE)

All this being said (or rather quoted), I maintain that we should not dismiss other, perhaps more simple avenues of research and inquiry.
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Still within the above 'magnetic trap' context, here are a few quotes from one of the very few pages worth their virtual ink (IMO) on the subtleenergies website:









(SOURCE)

All this being said (or rather quoted), I maintain that we should not dismiss other, perhaps more simple avenues of research and inquiry.

This info is not new here, I believe LeoRetilus was the first on this forum to make use of these properties of this design and posted all this information on his Success thread,... I believe he hinted he made his stone with this water.