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It is said that in the End-Days, all that is secret and hidden would be openly revealed.

Not just the secrets we think we desperately want to uncover, not just the mysteries of Creation, Nature and Art...
But also the secrets so many of us are scared to find out - or to be found out about.

Revelation is a double-edged (s)word, you see... Revelations, like the Words of the Wise, are indeed Destroyers of Worlds.
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So, to get this started - here are a few excerpts from 'The Confession of Trithemius' (Abbott of Spanheim):

"The Spirit or Divine Breath emanated from the beginning from the Divine Fountain.

This Breath is the Spirit or Soul of the World and is called SPIRITUS MUNDI.

It was at first like air, then condensed into a nebulous substance or fog, and finally transmuted itself into water.

This Spiritual Light which we call Nature or Soul of the World is a spiritual body which may be rendered visible and tangible by Alchemical Processes. But, as it is naturally invisible - it is called Spirit.


It is a living Universal Fluid, diffused throughout Nature, which penetrates everything.
It is the most subtle of all substances; the most powerful, by reason of its inherent qualities; it penetrates every body and determines the forms in which it displays its activity.

By its action it frees the forms from all imperfection; it makes the impure purer, the imperfect perfect and the mortal immortal, by its indwelling.

This essence or Spirit emanated from the beginning, from the Center, and incorporated itself with the substance of which the Universe is formed.

It is the 'Salt of the Earth', and without its presence the plant would not grow, nor the field become green.

The more this essence is condensed, concentrated and coagulated in the forms - the more stable they become.

It is the most subtle of all substances; incorruptible and immovable in its essence. It fills the infinities of space.

The sun and the planets are but coagulations of this Universal Principle; from their beating hearts they distribute the abundance of their life, and send it forth into the forms of the inferior world, and into all creatures, acting about their own center and raising the forms on the way of perfection.

The forms in which this living principle establishes itself become perfect and durable, so that they no longer decay nor deteriorate nor change in contact with the Air.

Water can no longer dissolve them, nor Fire destroy them, nor the Terrestrial Elements devour them.

This Spirit is obtained in the same way as it is communicated to the Earth by the Stars; and this is performed by means of the Water, which serves as vehicle to it.

It is not the Philosopher's Stone, but this may be prepared from it by fixing the volatile."

My intention with this thread is to suggest a discussion related to the Principles and Archetypal Qualities which are necessary to understand and apply in practice, to manifest the Universal Spirit in tangible form.

I would like to avoid bringing up all sorts of 'matters', 'first matters' or particular 'paths' and 'recipes', since there are more than enough threads dealing with those topics.

Although this may be a more philosophical discussion, I've posted this thread in the practical section, because it has the potential to lead to practical applications of the insights we might gather here.

I know that many here are fond of quotes from 'source material'...

It would be great for this thread to become a home for quotes from authors dealing directly with the Works of Nature and how they are to be imitated or enhanced by Art, to facilitate this manifestation.

Same goes for images, allegorical or otherwise, which we may find to be connected to this very special Subject.

This Subject has already been touched upon here and there, in various threads (some more than others) - but now I feel it needs a dedicated thread and a fresh start.
 

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No one is posting in the thread of the threads?

In my understanding we can differentiate between attracting the Universal Spirit with a "magnet" and from manifesting it out of "nowhere".

In Essence both are actually the same.

From The Book of Abraham the Jew:

For our Father says:

Pater ejus est sol.
Mater Luna,
Ventus portavit illum in ventre suo mari
Sal nitre nostrum in mari mundiversum
Sans sublimate aeris, invisibilem, congelatum.
Coelum, nostrum aqua im manus non Mandefacieientem.

For the Spirit of the Lord is unfathomable, it hovers in the Air, it means the winged serpent and penetrates Man and all Creatures which are created on the Earth.

The winged Serpent points out to the Spiritus Mundi Universalem, and penetrates all things under the heavens. This is our Materia, so have we also of the coagulirten Air Repariren.

This is the Spirit; thus out of the Dew is drawn out, and with which our Salt is prepared. The undermost serpent however denotes our Materiam, everywhere to be found; it is earthly and also heavenly, then it the right Earth, Virginea et Adamica. That one however may know what it is, so is such to be found under the Vegetable Roots.

This possesses the Spirit Universalen and is neither animal, Mineral, nor Vegetable. It is a Magnet, so it itself draws the Proteum Universi and becomes thereby a Chaos of the wise Artificers.

... Take therefore, what lies before your feet, and of yourself with your feet treat on, for Hermes says: Pater ejus Sol, Mater Luna. Will you now dear brethren with this fatness of the earth enjoy and drink of the dew of the heaven; and with the winged serpent which moves in the earth, get so much and with another which is without wings, know to hear, in order that you can unite the lower with the upper.
 

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No one is posting in the thread of the threads?

Thank you, Rueb, for picking this up.

I was just waiting and wondering if anyone would...

In my understanding we can differentiate between attracting the Universal Spirit with a "magnet" and from manifesting it out of "nowhere". In Essence both are actually the same.

The magnet IS the vessel, in a way - and it needs to possess certain qualities. It could start out as an empty glass vessel prepared accordingly, or the vessel may contain an additional magnet matter/matrix which should be prepared or obtained following the same principles. In any case, if we use an additional magnet matter INSIDE the bottle in which we expect the condensation to occur, then this magnet is merely an extension and enhancement of the glass vessel, except in certain cases when a glass (or earthen) vessel is not even required as a magnet, the matter/matrix being sufficient.

If "The Earth is it's Nurse" - then OUR Vessel and/or Matter-Matrix must be a much better 'Nurse' than any corrupted and imperfect 'nursing earth', commonly found in Nature.

It is also important to point out that the magnet/matrix/vessel is not directly connected to facilitating the manifestation/incarnation of Spiritus Mundi in physical form, it is not our 'Athanor' - but it is rather mostly connected to the act of 'catching' it when it is free of impurities, and 'holding' it when it is already manifesting via natural causes, causes which must be enhanced by the Art of Philosophical Separation.

Thanks again, Rueb, for picking up this thread.
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That one however may know what it is, so is such to be found under the Vegetable Roots.
In further posts (depending also on the participation of others in this thread), I will elaborate further on the Ouroborean 'Perpetuum Mobile' Principle of Nature/Creation (to which the above quote is alluding), and on its potential Implications and Applications in Our Work.

But for now - a quote from Walt Disney, followed by a powerful Image:

Of all of our inventions for mass communication, pictures still speak the most universally understood language.

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My intention with this thread is to suggest a discussion related to the Principles and Archetypal Qualities which are necessary to understand and apply in practice, to manifest the Universal Spirit in tangible form.

Finally a discussion on the most important aspect of Alchemy, and my favorite area of interest!

As far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing as Alchemy without an understanding of the vital importance of the Universal Spirit. Without the Universal Spirit, we only have archemy or chemistry and endless years of wasted time in the laboratory producing anything but alchemical products.

There are numerous quotes concerning this subject, so where should one begin? We could go far into the past and quote from Ibn Umail's (Senior's) Ma al-Waraqi:

" MARIYA also said : The ' Water ' which I have mentioned is an Angel, and descends from the sky, and the earth accepts it on account of its (the earth's) moistness. The water of the sky is held by the water of the earth, and the water of the earth acts as its servant, and its Sand (serves) for the purpose of honouring it. Both the waters are gathered together and the 'Water' holds the 'Water'. The Kiyan (Vital Principle) holds the Kiyan and the Kiyan is whitened by the Kiyan2. She meant (by this) the coction of the ' Soul' with the 'Spirit' until both mix and are thoroughly cooked together and become a single thing like Marble." ...........

(As for her statement regarding the Angel) "She meant by this the 'Divine Water', which is the 'Soul'. She named it 'Angel' because it is spiritual, and because that 'Water' has risen from the earth to the sky of the Birba " (i.e., from the bottom to the top of the Alembic.)
"And as for her statement' (The Water) descends from the sky 'she meant by this its return to their Earth; and this Angel which she mentioned I shall explain to you in another way so that you may be aware of both explanations— if Allah will! She meant by this the child which they said will be born for them in the Air while Conception had taken place in the Lower (region); this being (through) the Higher Celestial Strength which the water has gained by its absorption of the Air. Regarding this, HURMUS said : 'The strength of the Highest and the Lowest will be found in it'."

" They name this Water also, 'the Rain which revives the Lower World'; and (by) all this (is to be understood) the Pure Silvery Water which is the Gold of the Sages. The Excellent Master, HURMUS, named it ' the Good of many names '."

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From The Golden Chain of Homer:

Therefore out of Light and water, God has created all Things.

Water was the first condensation or corporification of the Universal fire, which water nevertheless in its center was, and remains fire, full of life and activity, and the more so, as it was assisted by its Equal, the Light, separated out of it, as much as was necessary for the creating of all immaterial and material Beings, and in success of time for their maintenance.

Of the separated Light we have spoken before, we have now to consider its first body Humidity or water. This water differs it regard to Rarefaction or Density; if Rarefied to a certain Degree it constitutes air, that is fire predominating above water, but if condensed to a degree it becomes Humid water, or Humidity predominating above fire. Nevertheless, in both, that is in their Center lays concealed fire or the Universal spirit.

As soon as the air gets deprived of its Universal fire, which animates it and renders it elastic, it becomes immediately putrid, and thereby declines lower down, becomes Humidity, mud, earth and immoveable; it is the same case with water when deprived of fire, or of animated air, it becomes putride, condenses still further and becomes earth, immoveable.

God has ordained it so that the Universal spirit by means of Humidity should work all things, because Humidity mixes easily with everything, by means of which the spirit can soften, penetrate, generate. destroy and regenerate all things.

Thus Humidity or water is the Body, the Vehicle and Tool, but the spirit or fire is the Operator, the Universal Agent and fabricator of all Natural Things.
This universal fire fills that immense space in the Universe between the heavenly bodies. and as it has a power to become material, it generates a subtil vapour or invisible most subtil Humidity, its first passive principle: It causes therein a gentle Reaction, and a general, gentle, most subtil Fermentation takes place Universally, and by this Reaction the Universal Acid is everywhere generated, which we can deem nothing else than a most subtil incorporeal Nitre Spiritus Mundi, outwardly cold and inwardly fire.

Thus this Spiritual incorporeal Nitre or Universal Acid; we deem the second invisible change of the Universal fire, generated out of chaotic invisible Humidity: and as this approaches the atmospheres of the heavenly bodies, it becomes gradually more and more material, until it meets an alcaline passive principle wherein it fixes itself and forms Native nitre, so that from Spiritus Mundi, it becomes nitre.

Thus we say, not without good reason, that the Solar Rays of Light, are nothing else but a most subtil spiritual Spiritual Mundi, which gradually becomes more and more nitreous, as it approaches the Earth, but Sea Salt in the Ocean; animating the atmosphere with fire or Life, and thereby giving elasticity to the air, and Life and preservation to the water. From this, every man of common understanding may learn what Nature is, and its origin.

We see that between the Firmament and our Earth continual Vapours, Clouds, and Fogs, which ascend like a transpiration of the Earth, and are sublimed upwards by the Central heat of the Earth. This Chaotic water and Vapours, contain, and are the First Matter of all Things, and although this appears very simple before our Eyes, yet it is two-fold, as it contains fire and Humidity, the Invisible in the Visible, the fire or spirit is the Agent, and the water the Patient.

Whosoever wishes to arrive at the Fountain of Secret Wisdom, let him mind this well; and let him go with this Central Point of Truth to the circumference, and for ever imprint in his memory: that from fire and water, or spirit enclosed in Humidity all things in the World are generated, preserved, destroyed and regenerated.

Whosoever comprehends this well will find no difficulty in analising Natural things as he may easily volatilize fixt, and fix the volatile: a stinking subject he may convert into a pleasant smelling one, out of poison he can make a salutary Medicine because he knows that all things proceed from one Root; and return to that Root: The distinction is external and regards only the modification of the Matter, which is more or less digested or fixt. Therefore the Philosophers say that their Matter is in all Things, yet they have selected such Subjects wherein the Universal spirit is more abundantly contained and more concentrated, and easer to be obtained; otherwise that spirit is All in All. (My bolding and emphasis).
 

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The first matter. Is it also the last matter?
 

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The first matter. Is it also the last matter?

Quoth Paracelsus:

"The substance which is sought is the same as that from which it has to be drawn forth."

Quoth Bob Dylan:


Also, from various allegorical/mythological characters:

"I am Alpha and Omega, The Beginning and The End."

Please feel free to metabolize this internally, and draw your own conclusions.
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Internally metabolized, thank you Androgynus.

If this is true, then this is truly an amazing substance (or lack there of). All things come from it and eventually are reduced back to it. It evolves and devolves matter. Which means that in the beginning there was no BIG and there was no BANG. Creation is ongoing. Which explains not only the expansion of the universe, but also the increased rate of expansion.

Does hydrogen + first matter = helium?
 

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All things come from it and eventually are reduced back to it. It evolves and devolves matter.

Correct.

Does hydrogen + first matter = helium?

EVERYTHING originates from the 'First Matter', and it is not the purpose of this thread to discuss such periodic table particularities.

Try to understand and internalize the concept of Spiritus Mundi before you ask such questions.

Forget (for now) the periodic table. 'De-culturize' your vision. Un-Learn.

Please read (or re-read) the first post carefully, for a better understanding of what this thread is and isn't intended for.
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Correct.



EVERYTHING originates from the 'First Matter', and it is not the purpose of this thread to discuss such periodic table particularities.

Try to understand and internalize the concept of Spiritus Mundi before you ask such questions.

Forget (for now) the periodic table. 'De-culturize' your vision. Un-Learn.

Please read (or re-read) the first post carefully, for a better understanding of what this thread is and isn't intended for.
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Please accept my apologies for asking such questions. I don't want to take your thread in the wrong direction.

I don't view matter as a periodic table, I view it as a spectrum that begins and ends with "something". In the revolution (evolution, devolution) between the first something and the last something, there is matter at different stages of evolution. My intentions weren't to ask about particular matters, but to try and understand the process of one matter evolving to another via the spiritus mundi.

Does matter ever find equilibrium?

Is this the right direction for the thread?
I don't have any source quotes for my thoughts.
 

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The Spirit in the Bottle


There was once a poor woodcutter who toiled from early morning till late night.
When at last he had laid by some money he said to his boy, "You are my only child, I will spend the money which I have earned with the sweat of my brow on your education; if you learn some honest trade you can support me in my old age, when my limbs have grown stiff and I am obliged to stay at home."
Then the boy went to a High School and learned diligently so that his masters praised him, and he remained there a long time.

When he had worked through two classes, but was still not yet perfect in everything, the little pittance which the father had earned was all spent, and the boy was obliged to return home to him. "Ah," said the father, sorrowfully, "I can give you no more, and in these hard times I cannot earn a farthing more than will suffice for our daily bread." "Dear father," answered the son, "don't trouble yourself about it, if it is God's will, it will turn to my advantage I shall soon accustom myself to it."

When the father wanted to go into the forest to earn money by helping to pile and stack wood ans also chop it, the son said, "I will go with you and help you." "Nay, my son," said the father, "that would be hard for you; you are not accustomed to rough work, and will not be able to bear it, besides I have only one axe and no money left wherewith to buy another." "Just go to the neighbour," answered the son, "he will lend you his axe until I have earned one for myself."

The father then borrowed an axe of the neighbour, and next morning at break of day they went out into the forest together. The son helped his father and was quite merry and brisk about it. But when the sun was right over their heads, the father said, "We will rest, and have our dinner, and then we shall work as well again."

The son took his bread in his hands, and said, "Just you rest, father, I am not tired; I will walk up and down a little in the forest, and look for birds' nests." "Oh, you fool," said the father, "why should you want to run about there? Afterwards you will be tired, and no longer able to raise your arm; stay here, and sit down beside me."
The son, however, went into the forest, ate his bread, was very merry and peered in among the green branches to see if he could discover a bird's nest anywhere.

So he went up and down to see if he could find a bird's nest until at last he came to a great dangerous-looking oak, which certainly was already many hundred years old, and which five men could not have spanned. He stood still and looked at it, and thought, "Many a bird must have built its nest in that." Then all at once it seemed to him that he heard a voice. He listened and became aware that someone was crying in a very smothered voice, "Let me out, let me out!"

He looked around, but could discover nothing; nevertheless, he fancied that the voice came out of the ground.
Then he cried, "Where art thou?" The voice answered, "I am down here amongst the roots of the oak-tree. Let me out! Let me out!" The scholar began to loosen the earth under the tree, and search among the roots, until at last he found a glass bottle in a little hollow. He lifted it up and held it against the light, and then saw a creature shaped like a frog, springing up and down in it. "Let me out! Let me out!" it cried anew, and the scholar thinking no evil, drew the cork out of the bottle. Immediately a spirit ascended from it, and began to grow, and grew so fast that in a very few moments he stood before the scholar, a terrible fellow as big as half the tree by which he was standing. "Knowest thou," he cried in an awful voice, "what thy wages are for having let me out?" "No," replied the scholar fearlessly, "how should I know that?" "Then I will tell thee," cried the spirit; "I must strangle thee for it." "Thou shouldst have told me that sooner," said the scholar, "for I should then have left thee shut up, but my head shall stand fast for all thou canst do; more persons than one must be consulted about that." "More persons here, more persons there," said the spirit. "Thou shalt have the wages thou hast earned. Dost thou think that I was shut up there for such a long time as a favour. No, it was a punishment for me. I am the mighty Mercurius. Whoso releases me, him must I strangle." "Softly," answered the scholar, "not so fast. I must first know that thou really wert shut up in that little bottle, and that thou art the right spirit. If, indeed, thou canst get in again, I will believe and then thou mayst do as thou wilt with me." The spirit said haughtily, "that is a very trifling feat," drew himself together, and made himself as small and slender as he had been at first, so that he crept through the same opening, and right through the neck of the bottle in again. Scarcely was he within than the scholar thrust the cork he had drawn back into the bottle, and threw it among the roots of the oak into its old place, and the spirit was betrayed.

And now the scolar was about to return to his father, but the spirit cried very piteously, "Ah, do let me out! ah, do let me out!" "No," answered the scholar, "not a second time! He who has once tried to take my life shall not be set free by me, now that I have caught him again." "If thou wilt set me free," said the spirit, "I will give thee so much that thou wilt have plenty all the days of thy life." "No," answered the boy, "thou wouldst cheat me as thou didst the first time." "Thou art playing away with thy own good luck," said the spirit; "I will do thee no harm but will reward thee richly." The scholar thought, "I will venture it, perhaps he will keep his word, and anyhow he shall not get the better of me." Then he took out the cork, and the spirit rose up from the bottle as he had done before, stretched himself out and became as big as a giant. "Now thou shalt have thy reward," said he, and handed the scholar a little bag just like a plaster, and said, "If thou spreadest one end of this over a wound it will heal, and if thou rubbest steel or iron with the other end it will be changed into silver." "I must just try that," said the scholar, and went to a tree, tore off the bark with his axe, and rubbed it with one end of the plaster. It immediately closed together and was healed. "Now, it is all right," he said to the spirit, "and we can part." The spirit thanked him for his release, and the boy thanked the spirit for his present, and went back to his father.

"Where hast thou been racing about?" said the father; "why hast thou forgotten thy work? I said at once that thou wouldst never get on with anything." "Be easy, father, I will make it up." "Make it up indeed," said the father angrily, "there's no art in that." "Take care, father, I will soon hew that tree there, so that it will split." Then he took his plaster, rubbed the axe with it, and dealt a mighty blow, but as the iron had changed into silver, the edge turned; "Hollo, father, just look what a bad axe you've given me, it has become quite crooked." The father was shocked and said, "Ah, what hast thou done? now I shall have to pay for that, and have not the wherewithal, and that is all the good I have got by thy work." "Don't get angry," said the son, "I will soon pay for the axe." "Oh, thou blockhead," cried the father, "wherewith wilt thou pay for it? Thou hast nothing but what I give thee. These are students' tricks that are sticking in thy head, but thou hast no idea of wood-cutting."

After a while the scholar said, "Father, I can really work no more, we had better take a holiday." "Eh, what!" answered he, "Dost thou think I will sit with my hands lying in my lap like thee? I must go on working, but thou mayst take thyself off home." "Father, I am here in this wood for the first time, I don't know my way alone. Do go with me." As his anger had now abated, the father at last let himself be persuaded and went home with him. Then he said to the son, "Go and sell thy damaged axe, and see what thou canst get for it, and I must earn the difference, in order to pay the neighbour."

The son took the axe, and carried it into town to a goldsmith, who tested it, laid it in the scales, and said, "It is worth four hundred thalers, I have not so much as that by me." The son said, "Give me what thou hast, I will lend you the rest." The goldsmith gave him three hundred thalers, and remained a hundred in his debt.
The son thereupon went home and said, "Father, I have got the money, go and ask the neighbour what he wants for the axe." "I know that already," answered the old man, "one thaler, six groschen." "Then give him him two thalers, twelve groschen, that is double and enough; see, I have money in plenty," and he gave the father a hundred thalers, and said, "You shall never know want, live as comfortably as you like."
"Good heavens!" said the father, "how hast thou come by these riches?" The scholar then told how all had come to pass, and how he, trusting in his luck, had made such a good hit. But with the money that was left, he went back to the High School and went on learning more, and as he could heal all wounds with his plaster, he became the most famous doctor in the whole world.

A very good Alchemical Story :)
 
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I like that story......there are many throughout history who have hoed and digged amongst the roots of an old oak tree and have found nothing expect a few here and there of a different mind who have contemplated the weight and found a clear water without any hoeing or digging.
 

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I don't want to take your thread in the wrong direction.

No need to apologize. It's not <<my>> thread, but I most certainly wish to keep it as pure and focused on topic as possible.

I don't have any source quotes for my thoughts.

You don't need to have source quotes for your thoughts :)

The quotes are only suggested as ground for further discussion and elaboration, trying to learn from the wisdom of those who walked the path before us...

You are most welcome to share your own thoughts as they are, as long as they are coherently dealing with the study of the topic - which, as already stated, is discussing the Philosophy and the Archetypal Qualities of Spiritus Mundi as a means to understand Nature and Creation via Cause and Origin, so as to subsequently allow us to put these understandings into practical application (each in his own way) in order to facilitate the manifestation/incarnation/condensation of this Spirit in our physical realm in an undetermined (unspecified) state.

Once the First Principles are laid out, we could potentially take the discussion to the next levels and talk about applications (such as evolving matter).

What I most certainly don't want for this thread, is to deal with questions about flying before we learn how to walk...

Sorry for being such a Nazi bastard, but I really wish for this thread to be educational and beneficial by having a solid foundation in Philosophy BEFORE giving in to our tendencies to jump straight ahead to methods and processes. Too many aspiring alchemists have fallen into these traps, and this is something I really want to avoid here.
 

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You are most welcome to share your own thoughts as they are, as long as they are coherently dealing with the study of the topic - which, as already stated, is discussing the Philosophy and the Archetypal Qualities of Spiritus Mundi as a means to understand Nature and Creation via Cause and Origin, so as to subsequently allow us to put these understandings into practical application (each in his own way) in order to facilitate the manifestation/incarnation/condensation of this Spirit in our physical realm in an undetermined (unspecified) state.

Good, then we are on the right track. Creation is where my thoughts take me. In the beginning, when everything was the spiritus mundi, what caused the spirit to begin to act/change/evolve? Was it the "word"? Is the word simply sound/vibration? If so, what caused this vibration? Did it have a specific frequency?
 

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In the beginning, when everything was the spiritus mundi, what caused the spirit to begin to act/change/evolve?
Was it the "word"?
Is the word simply sound/vibration?
If so, what caused this vibration?
Did it have a specific frequency?

Excellent questions, but you forgot the most important one, regarding the Genesis of Spiritus Mundi itself.

Now, can you (or anyone else) follow up with some equally excellent answers?
 

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Excellent questions, but you forgot the most important one, regarding the Genesis of Spiritus Mundi itself.

To be honest, I try not to think about that question. I have a hard time wrapping my mind around infinity. It's dangerous to try.
 
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I will try to put your thoughts into some mode of operation.

According to Genesis the physical Matter (Earth ) was born out of Water and Light (or Fire) and the last two from Air (or Word).
Now if this Theory is correct then we must be able to recreate the process of Creation on a small scale in this manner.

Concetrate the Light of the Sun in a bowl of water with a magnifying glass for some time and observe if water produce any sediment.If it does the Theory will be proven to be true.
 

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Was there a time when existence consisted of only one thing, the spiritus mundi? If so, how did the first thing become the second thing without water or light?
 

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Was there a time when existence consisted of only one thing, the spiritus mundi? If so, how did the first thing become the second thing without water or light?

I was talking about recreation of the physical matter not a spiritual matter.

The spiritual matter was created through the word of creation Fiat Lux.The creation will be destroyed by another word, the lost word of freemasons.
 

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I was talking about recreation of the physical matter not a spiritual matter.

The spiritual matter was created through the word of creation Fiat Lux.The creation will be destroyed by another word, the lost word of freemasons.

Thank you for your reply True Puffer. I'm talking about the first creation of physical matter. Do you know how it came into existence?
 

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Thank you for your reply True Puffer. I'm talking about the first creation of physical matter. Do you know how it came into existence?

Do you mean for sure?
No, i was born little later afterwards. ;)

But for the purpose of this thread it will be enough if we succeed in coagulating the light through the medium of water.

The user of this forum vega33 has already succeed in this operation following Baron Georg von Welling's method but i don't know if i am allowed to show you the pictures of his work?