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I guess when the stone becomes heavier a sound might be generated inside the philosophical egg but this is near the end of the Great Work so not many people have ever reached that stage.

It makes sense looking at the increases in weight that Canseliet and Atorène observed in the above links. There is of course a relationship between Density, Mass and Volume. If you keep increasing one of those factors, then something has to give in the others.
 

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Cyliani mentions that opening the temple should make a strong noise when the dragon is reveald.
 

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So guys! Lol, come on it's been almost 15 years! The dry work and all paths begin with the same pre work , which is wet! Once we get to the eagles on the philosophical sublimation of the mercury from the sulfur, we essentially shoot a super saturated solution of salts, which after the 7th or 9th eagle. We either use the salt (mercury alkahest) with the sulfur after its purgation in the dry path in the formation of a rebus inside of a clay pot, until it's belly bursts! Otherwise after the last eagle we dissolve again in dew and use "wet " in all wet paths. The wet paths take 9montjs the first Time, whole the dry path of all starting matters properly prepared....3 hours! But I mean you aren't getting anything easier!!! The time you save on the dry path you pay for in added effort and needed skill! Unlike the wet like Fulcanelli says there are no color changes or signs....
 

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Hi Leo

Do you think this has something to do with the capture of "Pure" SM (Spiritus Mundi)or the Alchemic Process ?

And if so why ?
This I cannot talk about!
 

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So guys! Lol, come on it's been almost 15 years! The dry work and all paths begin with the same pre work , which is wet! Once we get to the eagles on the philosophical sublimation of the mercury from the sulfur, we essentially shoot a super saturated solution of salts, which after the 7th or 9th eagle. We either use the salt (mercury alkahest) with the sulfur after its purgation in the dry path in the formation of a rebus inside of a clay pot, until it's belly bursts! Otherwise after the last eagle we dissolve again in dew and use "wet " in all wet paths. The wet paths take 9montjs the first Time, whole the dry path of all starting matters properly prepared....3 hours! But I mean you aren't getting anything easier!!! The time you save on the dry path you pay for in added effort and needed skill! Unlike the wet like Fulcanelli says there are no color changes or signs....

Hi Leo

Personally I can't believe that this Great Work is simple and that anyone could do it. There appear to be lots of processes and lots of signs, smells and maybe sounds to look out for. It's complex.

Case in point, here's an extract from:

Deciphering the Hermeticae Philosophiae Medulla


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00026980.2023.2201744


A secret, hidden by all Philosophers, which should not be revealed, is the duration for the fermentation.
If you exceed it, you will lose the work and your matter will transform back into metal and thereafter you can never return to the plan. After the head of the raven, the matter becomes ashen without grey:
Towards the end of the third month, a small red ring appears around the matter in the vessel.
In the moment that it appears, shatter the hermetical seal and place gold leaves into the opening (orifice) of the ampulla, Sol is magnetically drawn to the thirsting matter.
But this thirst only lasts for half an hour, if you go over that, it is possible that a circle may be visible longer, however, the opportunity is bald.
After this is done, put the glass lid into the mouth of the vessel and seal with lutum of limestone and egg white. Cook so that . . .

But at the first change, the Seal of Hermes should be applied.


What are your thoughts on the above. This kind of thing doesn't gel with the notion of just putting something in a flask and letting nature get on with it. If you weren't there to see the red ring appear the work would be lost.
 

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i will try to decipher this text because i think the author is not using a plain language.

The ampulla the author speaks about is the philosophers vessel or egg. Gold leaves or philosophic gold is sulphur of iron or maybe remora at this later stage of the Great Work. The egg white quote i think it is a code for our philosophers egg.

Just my opinion...
 

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Hi Leo

Personally I can't believe that this Great Work is simple and that anyone could do it. There appear to be lots of processes and lots of signs, smells and maybe sounds to look out for. It's complex.

Case in point, here's an extract from:

Deciphering the Hermeticae Philosophiae Medulla


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00026980.2023.2201744


A secret, hidden by all Philosophers, which should not be revealed, is the duration for the fermentation.
If you exceed it, you will lose the work and your matter will transform back into metal and thereafter you can never return to the plan. After the head of the raven, the matter becomes ashen without grey:
Towards the end of the third month, a small red ring appears around the matter in the vessel.
In the moment that it appears, shatter the hermetical seal and place gold leaves into the opening (orifice) of the ampulla, Sol is magnetically drawn to the thirsting matter.
But this thirst only lasts for half an hour, if you go over that, it is possible that a circle may be visible longer, however, the opportunity is bald.
After this is done, put the glass lid into the mouth of the vessel and seal with lutum of limestone and egg white. Cook so that . . .

But at the first change, the Seal of Hermes should be applied.


What are your thoughts on the above. This kind of thing doesn't gel with the notion of just putting something in a flask and letting nature get on with it. If you weren't there to see the red ring appear the work would be lost.
Cause you have a lot more reading, unraveling and deciphering to do my friend, but once you eliminate all of the bs and find the real way it becomes very simple indeed. Do you realize how dumb people were thousands of years ago? And yet they found it! By following nature, you complicate it for yourself by following talking screeching monkeys instead of nature! Simplicity is the Seal of Truth, it you choose to follow the obfuscation made from you by these authors+.

As I say above once we have the alchahest either in liquid or solid salt form, one path although not the universe but particular to the metallic kingdom is to take the wet alchahest and use the sulfur of sol, gold to provide the sulfur of the sun instead of its own sulfurs that dropped during the eagles. This is "fermentation". In the wet way on metal specification we do get these color transformations and yes the alchahest does all of the work , you don't open on mess with it! Lol What can you do with physical manipulations? Lol you have no power!
 

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Cause you have a lot more reading, unraveling and deciphering to do my friend, but once you eliminate all of the bs and find the real way it becomes very simple indeed. Do you realize how dumb people were thousands of years ago? And yet they found it! By following nature, you complicate it for yourself by following talking screeching monkeys instead of nature! Simplicity is the Seal of Truth, it you choose to follow the obfuscation made from you by these authors+.

As I say above once we have the alchahest either in liquid or solid salt form, one path although not the universe but particular to the metallic kingdom is to take the wet alchahest and use the sulfur of sol, gold to provide the sulfur of the sun instead of its own sulfurs that dropped during the eagles. This is "fermentation". In the wet way on metal specification we do get these color transformations and yes the alchahest does all of the work , you don't open on mess with it! Lol What can you do with physical manipulations? Lol you have no power!
I've figured it all out! Now! In this moment ! I speak to The Stone in every way. I've forced water in all of its permutations with speech.. Now I will be crowned King of all of Nature, but now create my own. How ranks above Moses?
 

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Moses had speech impediment and he used his brother Aaron for that purpose like speaking to the Pharaoh of Egypt. If you can create the water with speech alone you are truly a master of the craft.
 

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It makes sense looking at the increases in weight that Canseliet and Atorène observed in the above links. There is of course a relationship between Density, Mass and Volume. If you keep increasing one of those factors, then something has to give in the others.
In what time would the cake be ready baked ?? Canseliet mentions I think something of 6 or 7 days, does he mean philosophical days or vulgar ones? He has also described the sounds very precisely, can it be that the reason that he has described these sounds so precisely may have something to do with the baking time?

If he really means vulgar 6 days for work , that is extremely long for the dry street
 

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So guys! Lol, come on it's been almost 15 years! The dry work and all paths begin with the same pre work , which is wet!

I totally agree Leo, 100% .... the Alchemist requires a Spirit/Menstrum to be able to begin the Primary Alchemic Process.
Once we get to the eagles on the philosophical sublimation of the mercury from the sulfur, we essentially shoot a super saturated solution of salts, which after the 7th or 9th eagle. We either use the salt (mercury alkahest) with the sulfur after its purgation in the dry path in the formation of a rebus inside of a clay pot, until it's belly bursts!

The above makes no Alchemic sense at all.
Otherwise after the last eagle we dissolve again in dew and use "wet " in all wet paths.

Again .... The above makes no Alchemic sense at all.
The wet paths take 9montjs the first Time,

"The wet paths take 9 months" or longer .... OK, now we are getting somewhere.

But what do you mean by "the first time" ?

Are you suggesting that the Second, Third or Forth time would be different using the Wet Path ?
whole the dry path of all starting matters properly prepared....3 hours!

What do you think you will get at the end of "3 hours" ?
But I mean you aren't getting anything easier!!! The time you save on the dry path you pay for in added effort and needed skill! Unlike the wet like Fulcanelli says there are no color changes or signs....

"Unlike the wet like Fulcanelli says there are no color changes or signs" ....

So Leo do you think there are color changes in the Wet Path ?

Do you think there are color changes in the Dry Path ?

Here is a very simple question for you Leo .... What do you expect to get at the end of the Wet Path after approximately 9 months ?
 

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I totally agree Leo, 100% .... the Alchemist requires a Spirit/Menstrum to be able to begin the Primary Alchemic Process.


The above makes no Alchemic sense at all.


Again .... The above makes no Alchemic sense at all.


"The wet paths take 9 months" or longer .... OK, now we are getting somewhere.

But what do you mean by "the first time" ?

Are you suggesting that the Second, Third or Forth time would be different using the Wet Path ?


What do you think you will get at the end of "3 hours" ?


"Unlike the wet like Fulcanelli says there are no color changes or signs" ....

So Leo do you think there are color changes in the Wet Path ?

Do you think there are color changes in the Dry Path ?

Here is a very simple question for you Leo .... What do you expect to get at the end of the Wet Path after approximately 9 months ?
It all makes perfect alchemical sense how many books have you written or deciphered? ,Please read Hermes Unveiled, Recreations Hermetiques and The Real and True Road of Hermes Trismegistus. Then you can come to me with questions, not my paraphrasing cuz obviously it makes no sense to you cause you haven't put them in line with these texts as I have spent years on these three alone.

My point is even the dry path requires the preparation of the dry elements, the rebus which is only two , mercury dry and sulfur dry.

But the pre work to reach both dry salts and sulfur is a "wet" path. And one can proceed from this pre work entirely wet and never dry or use the fire path of flammel.
 

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It all makes perfect alchemical sense how many books have you written or deciphered? ,Please read Hermes Unveiled, Recreations Hermetiques and The Real and True Road of Hermes Trismegistus. Then you can come to me with questions, not my paraphrasing cuz obviously it makes no sense to you cause you haven't put them in line with these texts as I have spent years on these three alone.

My point is even the dry path requires the preparation of the dry elements, the rebus which is only two , mercury dry and sulfur dry.

But the pre work to reach both dry salts and sulfur is a "wet" path. And one can proceed from this pre work entirely wet and never dry or use the fire path of flammel.

Hi Leo

Thank you for replying to my post.

I will read over your posts again and see if I can comprehend what you are saying.