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. Sorcery For Immortality And Transmutation Of Metals

Awani

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Fair enough. Get used to this state of mind in about 225 years:


Seriously, if you are looking at telomeres I would say that is certainly the right direction.

:p
 

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Dune was great. Paul makes a lot of sense now that im older.
Im sure your mum and her mothers are great.
Not all witches are bad, just on the other side of the fence.
 

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1st mistake. You made a plan. You remember how that worked out last time ?

Planning on living forever is like planning your own suprise party.
Its not a suprise. Its not so fun. You already know everything that is going to happen.

No plans. Just do. What comes of it is not a concern while you are doing it.
 

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Conversation seems to stop when i respond to a thread.
So i will stop talking. Kinda fed up with it always happening.
 

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Conversation seems to stop when i respond to a thread.
No it doesn't :)

Also, many threads stop getting replies after a while. Some threads get no replies at all. Life goes on. I assure you it has nothing to do with you.
 

Awani

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Conversation seems to stop when i respond to a thread.
So i will stop talking. Kinda fed up with it always happening.

Happens to me all the time, and when it does I get the final word and I win.

:p
 

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So i will stop talking.


Hey Kibric.... NO.

We don't always have the same thoughts on a subject and that's great .... if we all thought the same
AF would be very boring .... the diverse stimulus here is so good.

I think there could be a lot more conversation here .... but my feeling is that a lot of the members are a
bit shy .... come on other members your thoughts are important too.

I enjoy reading different perspectives ... it helps me question my own beliefs.

So don't stop talking !!!
 

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It was bit tounge in cheek. I am a bit socially starved. Sometimes it feels like i talk too much.
I will take your advice.
 

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come on other members your thoughts are important too.
Anyone else love fantasia ?. Took me awhile to appreciate the adult nature of the cartoon.

And Tolkein. I heard he used to get angry when people called his books metaphorical, swearing that it all was real.
The 1st thing witches are told to read is Tolkein which is odd.
Anyone got any thoughts on this ?. Id love to hear them.
 

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there's not much real information out their for actual sorcery.... I would love to be able to get actual information on the subject.

You should find the testimony of Zachary King.
He’s a catholic now, but practiced as a dark sorcerer for over 20 years.
He’s quite open about a lot of things, but I recommend the Jeff Rense interviews because he gave the most details in that series. You can prob still find them on YouTube.

How do you like the idea of drinking the blood (and eating the flesh) of an aborted baby?
That’s what Zachary King says happens in black magick. Amazingly, he also says that in USA this is completely legal and isn’t even a crime (as long as the abortion is performed by a qualified doctor on a willing mother).

What say you Mr Red Lion......are you willing to kill children and drink their blood in order to live this longer life that you aspire to?
You’re the one who put this filth on our forum....now it’s time for you to own it.
 

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What say you Mr Red Lion......are you willing to kill children and drink their blood in order to live this longer life that you aspire to?
You’re the one who put this filth on our forum....now it’s time for you to own it.
I don't recall him mentioning drinking the blood of aborted babies... Actually, you are the one who put this on the forum :)

To Red Lion: There are other "sorcery" practices that don't involve such things, however I personally don't recommend any of them. As long as a practice involves entering a sort of "contract" with a particular being/entity, whether physical or non-physical, this stuff tends to backfire more often than not, to put it mildly, sometimes in rather "interesting" ways.

THE alternative to sorcery is connecting universally, NOT particularly. Quite similar to the premises of Alchemy. I already posted about this on this thread, but it kind of went (almost) unnoticed.

Alternatively, you could also look into tantric and/or dzogchen practices.
 

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Andro:
"I don't recall him mentioning drinking the blood of aborted babies... Actually, you are the one who put this on the forum"

Whether you recall or not is irrelevant. He said it.
And if you want to split hairs, it was Kibric who put this on the forum.
Not his fault though, since he was simply answering Red Lion's query.


Andro:
THE alternative to sorcery is connecting universally, NOT particularly. Quite similar to the premises of Alchemy. I already posted about this on this thread, but it kind of went (almost) unnoticed.

Alternatively, you could also look into tantric and/or dzogchen practices.

Perhaps these other practices might warrant separate thread/s.

The OP and title of this thread is seeking information about using magick/sorcery for immortality.

Now let him answer my question, because I really want to know...

Red Lion, are you willing to drink childrens blood to achieve your longer life?
 

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The OP and title of this thread is seeking information about using magick/sorcery for immortality.

Now let him answer my question, because I really want to know...

Red Lion, are you willing to drink childrens blood to achieve your longer life?

Even if he answers "yes" - what then?

I mean, there are billions of people lining up for genetic modification shots right now, and even if we are generous and pretend those syringes' contents arent directly made with that same sacrificial blood, at the LEAST they exist because of research done with it.

Whats one more person eating his neighbor for his own potential gain? Lol

Likewise, what is to be done about it? Retaliate? Shorten or take their lives or life force? Give them a reason to speed up their own killing in an attempt to combat your hostilities? Lol

How amusing all this is. ;) No doubt why it exists in the first place. ;)


Red Lion, there many magickal ways to extend one's life in this form - but I honestly think you'll find Andro's, Awani's (and the other sensible and non-hostile voices in this thread) advices and warnings to be the most useful. Longevity has a purpose - usually to reach a place of true understanding and realization - apotheosis, in a word. This also comes with the realization and readiment of "passing on" - though not necessarily "needing/wanting" to - just the effortless acceptance and peace of it.
Most suffer from an innate fear of dying, this cripples them and keeps them from truly living until its to late. (Definitely the case with Faust - though his fear was his own choice too. :p )
Another amusing game. ;)

In any event, look into the Philosopher's Stone, thats my advice. Plenty of magick goes into actually making it - and one doesnt put themselves at the mercy of "lesser"/"other" cosmic forces.
Be safe (if ya want). :)


~Seth-Ra
 

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I put it on the forum. What i should of mentioned is that it does not really work. It is very temporary. Blood drinking to gain longevity is a blood cult practise that comes from a misunderstanding that ancient man had.
The " gods " did not drink blood for immortality, but human blood became confounded with idea they did.
After the sumerian civilization fell, blood cults formed from the displaced priestly caste believing the minmal effect of longevity caused by drinking young blood was how the gods sustained themselves. This tradition of " the blood is the life" from a sumerian origin has lasted. Perpetuated by ancient blood cults which formed the basis for blood magick used in witchcraft.
A Roman queen bathed in asses milk everyday and retained her youth for a century. Using blood for longevity is largely useless, unless its for blood transfusions for medical needs.

Witchcraft is bound by tradition.
It wont give up blood magick even if it doesnt work.
 
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Mr Black -
From an occult perspective they are really intresting.
An amazing introduction into the hidden forces of the world for a thristy mind.
 

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The way I look at it, there are basically two distinct approaches to immortality.

One is in defiance to the ways of Nature. It has been traditionally linked to vampirism and other destructive practices. In its latest incarnation, it ties in with what became widely known as Trans-Humanism - essentially the project of "upgrading" humans by merging them with cybernetic parts. Taken to the extreme, Trans-Humanism endorses the idea of uploading a human consciousness to a computer, in which it could exist indefinitely in a state of virtual reality.

While such concepts may be deeply disturbing to many a spiritual seeker, they are seen as nothing but consequential by the atheist/materialistic mind which supposes that the continuation of its existence would depend on the ongoing availability of a physical matrix.

The other basic approach is the way offered by the art of Alchemy and related disciplines like Neigong, Yoga, Hermetic Magic etc. It presupposes the immortality of the spirit and aspires to "download" this and other of the latter's characteristics into the physical form. Thus the body could be sustained, even rejuvenated, indefinitely.

Although such must be extremely rare at the present stage of mankind's development, an individual succeeding in this approach could continuously act as an agent for the evolution of the whole, ever bringing Creation closer to its ultimate fulfillment and perfection.

It would likely also learn how to gain access to other layers of reality without having to abandon the physical body.

Little chance of dying of boredom here...
 

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The other basic approach is the way offered by the art of Alchemy and related disciplines like Neigong, Yoga, Hermetic Magic etc. It presupposes the immortality of the spirit and aspires to "download" this and other of the latter's characteristics into the physical form. Thus the body could be sustained, even rejuvenated, indefinitely.

Well said!

I’m of the same opinion. Although I think if we were able to fully and completely both download and process the knowledge of the “immortality of the spirit” into ourselves — regardless of the physical effects — we’d come to know the Philosooher’s Stone.
 

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Well said!

I’m of the same opinion. Although I think if we were able to fully and completely both download and process the knowledge of the “immortality of the spirit” into ourselves — regardless of the physical effects — we’d come to know the Philosooher’s Stone.

Indeed - and that's why one of the old texts prompts us to turn ourselves into "living Philosopher's Stones".

For the Philosopher's Stone represents the union of the physical and the spiritual that we would ideally personify ourselves. It is matter imbued with spirit - fit to induce an analogous state in us, primarily by way of its consumption, but quite likely already during the process of its creation.

By the same token, having (in some manner) already achieved that kind of state should greatly facilitate our understanding of the Stone's exact nature as well as of the ways of manufacturing it.

So what this boils down to is a both material and spiritual, internal and external process by which we create the Stone in the laboratory as, at the same time, the Stone creates us - as an individual capable of fully manifesting its innate spiritual attributes.

This is true "Trans-Humanism" in my view - of which the kind that envisions enhancing our body and mind by way of cybernetic technology is a mere distortion.

Thus, the proposed Hermetic revolution becomes humanity's better alternative for attaining to a more ideal state of existence. ;)
 

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Well said!

I’m of the same opinion. Although I think if we were able to fully and completely both download and process the knowledge of the “immortality of the spirit” into ourselves — regardless of the physical effects — we’d come to know the Philosooher’s Stone.
It's a very shadowy topic, but I tend to view knowledge of the stone and knowledge of the spirit as separate things.

Knowledge of the stone is like a physical way of acquiring knowledge of the spirit. The spirit is an abstract thing. It cannot be seen, touched, etc. But the stone brings its power down into the physical plane. For what other reason than the manipulation of nature? This was the goal of the Pharaoh's of old who wanted to control nature as much as possible. They were highly egotistical men who wanted to possess nature and viewed themselves literally as God.

On the other hand, knowledge of the spirit in and of itself is acquired through spiritual purifications and no other way. The Sufis (and other spiritual adepts) do not aim for manipulation of nature. Instead, they aim for God. Their only concern is to worship God correctly. And the synchronicities that occur on this path show us that we are following the right way. The visions, the inspirations, the knowledge. Knowing this, we are guided even further along this path, until we reach God. Manipulating nature or producing the stone is the *last thing* on the mind of the true Sufi or other spiritual adept, even though they do eventually come to possess this power at a very well-defined stage on the path (the stage of Jesus according to the alchemy taught in the Koran, which uses the Prophets instead of the planets).

So one way is to focus on God, and that is the stone of the Sufi. The other way is to focus on the stone, and that is the way of the Pharaohs. That's my understanding of it anyway. You have to choose a path, you can't travel on both at the same time. And I chose to follow the Prophets because humans are better at guiding me than inanimate objects such as mercury, sulphur and the planets, as I have found. :)
 

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Indeed - and that's why one of the old texts prompts us to turn ourselves into "living Philosopher's Stones".

For the Philosopher's Stone represents the union of the physical and the spiritual that we would ideally personify ourselves. It is matter imbued with spirit - fit to induce an analogous state in us, primarily by way of its consumption, but quite likely already during the process of its creation.

By the same token, having (in some manner) already achieved that kind of state should greatly facilitate our understanding of the Stone's exact nature as well as of the ways of manufacturing it.

So what this boils down to is a both material and spiritual, internal and external process by which we create the Stone in the laboratory as, at the same time, the Stone creates us - as an individual capable of fully manifesting its innate spiritual attributes.

This is true "Trans-Humanism" in my view - of which the kind that envisions enhancing our body and mind by way of cybernetic technology is a mere distortion.

Thus, the proposed Hermetic revolution becomes humanity's better alternative for attaining to a more ideal state of existence. ;)
What does this approach have to offer you that other spiritual paths based say on meditation alone cannot offer? I am genuinely interested.
 

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Well said!

I’m of the same opinion. Although I think if we were able to fully and completely both download and process the knowledge of the “immortality of the spirit” into ourselves — regardless of the physical effects — we’d come to know the Philosooher’s Stone.
What makes you believe that the spiritual path leads to knowledge of the stone? Just to clarify my opinion:

The spiritual path inevitably is one of sacrifices and struggles. There is no other way by the agreement of every spiritual adept out there, past or present. One has to struggle against their ego in one form or another.

On the other hand, the path of alchemy is one of knowledge. In much the same way that studying a university course involves struggle, the alchemical path will also involve some form of spiritual struggle. But it is not enough to lead to one "becoming the living stone". If one succeeds, one will still not be the stone.

So, I guess I am confused as to why people mix the two together. Reading alchemical texts has never even hinted to me that the two are the same. Please show me why you think otherwise (if that is indeed what you think).
 

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It is a good question.

The effects of the philosophers stone open up understanding. It is a spiritual aid in that sense.
Lots of authors involve God in granting the knowledge.

When does the practical become spiritual ?.
If every day i make a fire to keep warm, after how many months does the ability to create warmth become a sacred thing to me, because it helps me survive.
When a carpenter a tradesman makes or fixes something for someone, it becomes a spiritual act.
When the chef feeds people, it becomes a spiritual act.
When a doctor makes medicine and gives it.
When you use practical knowledge to love thyself and love others the practical becomes spiritual.

Many saints used practical knowledge in spiritual acts.
They had trades, education on a variety of things.
Alchemy is the making of medicine. That is holy in a way by itself before any deity or God is associated with it.

What makes a science divine ?. Same thing that makes a simple act divine. How its done. Why its done.
With and for love.
 
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