Secrecy & Alchemical Initiations

[elixirmixer]

There are additional initiation rites. Such as the anointment and the washing of the feet. However these are higher again and I don't want to go into them. I feel this lesson is sufficient.

And quickly to answer your original statement. The world was not created in 6 days, nor does the bible ever say such a nonsensical statement. This is again just a collective retardation of the scriptures propragated by the Catholic church
The bible couldn't be any clearer, and it's a huge testimony to how pathetically blinded a cult like mentality where the members are not permitted to undated their understanding, can lead a people.

Read, very carefully, what the very second line of the Great Tome says, bearing in mind that this line is pre- any of the generative sequence of genesis.

Gen.1
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] Now the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

It then proceeds to re-generate the solar-system and produce life, it says 1 day which if you wanted an allegorical correspondence would mean 1000 years, signified by the fact that the six days of work are followed by the seventh day of rest. Jesus 1000 year rule refered to in revelations is the Sabbath. The year is currently 5784. Which gives us another 216 years until the end of man's rule of earth. Remember of course, that the time will be cut short for the sake of the elect because the Illuminati would have already begun operation final-blow-to-the-planet long before we get to the year 2240.

The bible does not say that the earth was created in 6 days. It says that the earth was re-generated over a 6000 year period, the same amount of time that Humanity has been given to rule. (at least according to the symbology of the scriptures. Interpret it as you will.)

I interpret this to mean that there had already been things going on, then there was a mass extinction event. And God was resetting the generation cycle.

With love. Enjoy.

PS: No Hippy Jesus 🔄☝️🔄
Jesus was a bad ass Kabbalistic Warrior Mage who had mastered the Three Pillars of Hermeticism and used Alchemy, Kabbalah and Magick to command control of legions of Angels and countless hidden powers and used the Earth's spiritual thirst for a masculine counterpart to seal humanity and upgrade it using the power of uniting Heaven and Earth. Or something like that. Total badass. Despite whether anybody believes in Joshua historically, or his spiritual claim to fame, I would hate to think that anyone would ever deny that any man in history has ever been portrayed as complete Chad and not a magical hippie.

The Bible makes clear the stipulations of the Covenant. Retribution is clear to those who deny it. I feel the purpose of churches should be to teach the initiation rites in earnest and that's (one of) the reasons I renounce organised religion because without the true initiation then the whole thing is a massive scam and, if those people really do believe in the scriptures, which many of them do, then I feel very sorry for the fate they have been lead into via the deceit of their leaders.

Luckily there is mercy, but it's sad all the same the amount of pain humanity is still to face.

 

[Pilgrim]

Thanks for your interpretations.

As you may have read from the thread I created and cited I agree totally that Jesus was an alchemist and had the Stone.
I don't remotely think of him as any kind of hippie.

I also agree with you that the churches are a total scam and hiding great truths from the people. I escaped religious indoctrination many years ago.

The only future for humanity, its only hope, is to reject religion and learn to live in love and peace. Unfortunately there have always been powerful figures and groups seeking to "own" and control humanity through various forms of force. This happens because mankind has needs and wants, because we need resources to live and survive. Powerful people/groups cease those resources and thereby rule.

I desire to be free. Not be a slave. Likely that means I must die. This whole concept of "worship X or die" is to me repugnant whether it stems from Islam or Christianity or elsewhere. If there is indeed an angry jealous God who can not be opposed then I am certainly doomed. I'm not interested in hierarchies, pyramid schemes, Authoritarian dictators/rulers. That may be a contributing factor for me never joining Freemasonry. Knowledge should be open and free to all. Not used to barter with or control others.

In the end only the Stone can set humanity free for it would remove all our basic wants, needs and desires imo. The things wicked people use to enslave us.

 

[Kibric]

If there is indeed an angry jealous God who can not be opposed then I am certainly doomed.

He is very very angry and not an allegory himself.

. The things wicked people use to enslave us.

But why are they so wicked?

 

[elixirmixer]

But why are they so wicked?

I wouldn't deem their enslavement of humanity as explicitly 'wicked' or evil. These people are using the Natural laws of humanity to create energy pathways that lead back to themselves, often exploiting the wasteful state of humanity to absorb in one form or another the energies that humanity carelessly neglects to protect and cultivate.

I'd say the evil starts when we start doing things like murdering our hookers and children, and then making a mess with their blood.

Go on anyone that can empower themselves in this world, but things that negate the humans free will to decide their own fate, necessitates a theft of a natural law of human rights. And it's these actions that I believe are the real evils.

Humanity only has the Illuminati because the collective consciousness of the planet has agreed to it. The vast majority of the ceremonial powers of these individuals come from their ability to control others, which abilities comes largely from the slaves willingness to believe and accept their enslavement.

I think anyone practising Ceremonial Magic understands this basic premise. That the will of one person can be commanded by another through agreement of such facts. However that to impose will upon another person without an agreement would be an act of 'Black Magic' and a hefty toll may then pursue the dark magician. This is the reason you are asked to give your signature multiple times per week. Because they require you to agree.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Hi Mr. Mixer
I studied Alchemy plus lab work for two years full time before I came to the conclusion that I would never be able to find SM (Spiritus Mundi) without Divine Assistance.

The only way that I continue to evolve with Alchemy is via Divine Assistance.

My view is that it is a total impossibility for any person to pass through the entrance
into Alchemy without Divine Assistance.

Anyone that thinks they can become an Adept Alchemist without Divine Assistance
then all I have to say to them is good luck with that .... and get back to me every
10 years or so to tell me about your progress in the Work.

Mr. Mixer .... With Alchemy there is the Divine Way or the highway.

Every student of Alchemy can ask for assistance from Our Creator .... or not.

Hey Black;

I agree with your view 100% (though i still have no "real" idea of what SM is beyond theory; just swinging guesses.)
It seems to me that this divine connection / guidance is a real prerequisite "With god, all things are possible."

Psalms 127 seems appropriate here:
"
127 Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

2 It is vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows: for so he giveth his beloved sleep.

3 Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

4 As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.

5 Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate."


I overlooked this comment of yours about striving for 2 years in vain; and coming to the realization that it is a divine work and cannot be accessed without the consent of and working with the divine. I have known this for some time myself which brings me to ask what your thoughts are about divine timing.

Of course we can petition the divine for assistance (requires humbling ourselves); knowing the challenge is too great to overcome on our own. However even if we pray with sincerity, repent and humble ourselves before god; the revelation may not come instantly; (as our repentance and right action are not perfect initially and must be constantly worked at in good faith towards god.). SO is it possible that one may continue to study and work at alchemy so long as they do not get an inflated ego about it and humbly admit that they do not have the answers as of yet and patiently wait for the day when God "MAY" show them the door?

In your case; did you drop all study and practice until you had the required clarity or definitive answer or did you just re adjust your expectations and demeanor/respect towards the divinely guarded secrets of the art?

I am asking out of genuine interest as I myself am not sure how to go about taking my next steps; realizing that I too do not have much chance of figuring out this apparent puzzle without some help from above. Mind you; god knows the hearts and communicates to us on the altar of our hearts.. perhaps these are questions that we must get quiet; inside to discover.

I would really like to hear your view on this idea of the relation between a) Establishing a Divine Connection and b) The Nature of Divine Revelation/initiation and timing.

I tend to get most messages in dreams or as random intuits or "links" during day to day life; but as of yet it has not lead to a comprehension of alchemy in any sort of fullness. I also have not been asking specifically for answers regarding alchemy but since it concerns the raising of vibrations; asking for revelation in accordance with God's will would to me seem like an appropriate ask.

 

[Kibric]

I wouldn't deem their enslavement of humanity as explicitly 'wicked' or evil. These people are using the Natural laws of humanity to create energy pathways that lead back to themselves, often exploiting the wasteful state of humanity to absorb in one form or another the energies that humanity carelessly neglects to protect and cultivate.

I'd say the evil starts when we start doing things like murdering our hookers and children, and then making a mess with their blood.

Go on anyone that can empower themselves in this world, but things that negate the humans free will to decide their own fate, necessitates a theft of a natural law of human rights. And it's these actions that I believe are the real evils.

Humanity only has the Illuminati because the collective consciousness of the planet has agreed to it. The vast majority of the ceremonial powers of these individuals come from their ability to control others, which abilities comes largely from the slaves willingness to believe and accept their enslavement.

I think anyone practising Ceremonial Magic understands this basic premise. That the will of one person can be commanded by another through agreement of such facts. However that to impose will upon another person without an agreement would be an act of 'Black Magic' an

Really well explained.

I wouldn't deem their enslavement of humanity as explicitly 'wicked' or evil. These people are using the Natural laws of humanity to create energy pathways that lead back to themselves, often exploiting the wasteful state of humanity to absorb in one form or another the energies that humanity carelessly neglects to protect and cultivate.

I'd say the evil starts when we start doing things like murdering our hookers and children, and then making a mess with their blood.

Go on anyone that can empower themselves in this world, but things that negate the humans free will to decide their own fate, necessitates a theft of a natural law of human rights. And it's these actions that I believe are the real evils.

Humanity only has the Illuminati because the collective consciousness of the planet has agreed to it. The vast majority of the ceremonial powers of these individuals come from their ability to control others, which abilities comes largely from the slaves willingness to believe and accept their enslavement.

I think anyone practising Ceremonial Magic understands this basic premise. That the will of one person can be commanded by another through agreement of such facts. However that to impose will upon another person without an agreement would be an act of 'Black Magic' and a hefty toll may then pursue the dark magician. This is the reason you are asked to give your signature multiple times per week. Because they require you to agree.

necessitates a theft of a natural law of human rights. And it's these actions that I believe are the real evils.

On point.

 

[black]

I overlooked this comment of yours about striving for 2 years in vain; and coming to the realization that it is a divine work and cannot be accessed without the consent of and working with the divine. I have known this for some time myself which brings me to ask what your thoughts are about divine timing.

From my experience there appears to be such a thing.

Possibly we need to arrive at a certain level before we can move forward.

Of course we can petition the divine for assistance (requires humbling ourselves); knowing the challenge is too great to overcome on our own. However even if we pray with sincerity, repent and humble ourselves before god; the revelation may not come instantly; (as our repentance and right action are not perfect initially and must be constantly worked at in good faith towards god.). SO is it possible that one may continue to study and work at alchemy so long as they do not get an inflated ego about it and humbly admit that they do not have the answers as of yet and patiently wait for the day when God "MAY" show them the door?

Those that have the inflated ego and believe they can do Alchemy without any
Divine assistance will suffer continual frustration with their lack of progress
year in year out confronted by an impassable brick wall of guessing.

Unfortunately for many pursuing Alchemy this affliction of the ego is rampant.

In your case; did you drop all study and practice until you had the required clarity or definitive answer or did you just re adjust your expectations and demeanor/respect towards the divinely guarded secrets of the art?

I stopped everything .... there was nowhere to go.

I am asking out of genuine interest as I myself am not sure how to go about taking my next steps; realizing that I too do not have much chance of figuring out this apparent puzzle without some help from above. Mind you; god knows the hearts and communicates to us on the altar of our hearts.. perhaps these are questions that we must get quiet; inside to discover.

I would really like to hear your view on this idea of the relation between a) Establishing a Divine Connection and b) The Nature of Divine Revelation/initiation and timing.

I feel this can be different for each person .... we are all very unique.

I tend to get most messages in dreams or as random intuits or "links" during day to day life; but as of yet it has not lead to a comprehension of alchemy in any sort of fullness. I also have not been asking specifically for answers regarding alchemy but since it concerns the raising of vibrations; asking for revelation in accordance with God's will would to me seem like an appropriate ask.

Yes .... it all comes down to the Will of Our Creator.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Thank you for your reply Black!

 

[Pilgrim]

He is very very angry and not an allegory himself.

I don't see it or buy that interpretation. I don't think of God as a person now that I have freed myself from religious indoctrination. Anger is a human concept/emotion. We don't think of say planets being angry or stars. God imo is the life force or energy underpinning everything. In fact using the term "god" for it seems wrong to me given how the church has cornered the term and its usage.

But why are they so wicked?

Because like everyone else they have been placed in a world where there are needs, wants and desires and so like everyone else they are focussed on surviving and getting hold of those things. If there were no needs or wants we wouldn't all need to compete with each other and fight or seek to control each other. Bring the Stone to all and the needs and wants disappear and level us all.

 

[elixirmixer]

Bause like everyone else they have been placed in a world where there are needs, wants and desires and so like everyone else they are focussed on surviving and getting hold of those things. If there were no needs or wants we wouldn't all need to compete with each other and fight or seek to control each other. Bring the Stone to all and the needs and wants disappear and level us all.

I agree with you, that ultimately the Stone will become public knowledge and that, it will be the Stone that destroys capitalism in the end.

 

[alfr]

I agree with you, as we say by always here (in our posts see all it) and everywhere. The Stone and Elixir Phil must will become public and so destroys capitalism in the end.
And so all humanity will be able to evolve and self cures

regard

 

[Kibric]

I don't see it or buy that interpretation. I don't think of God as a person now that I have freed myself from religious indoctrination. Anger is a human concept/emotion. We don't think of say planets being angry or stars. God imo is the life force or energy underpinning everything. In fact using the term "god" for it seems wrong to me given how the church has cornered the term and its usage.

Because like everyone else they have been placed in a world where there are needs, wants and desires and so like everyone else they are focussed on surviving and getting hold of those things. If there were no needs or wants we wouldn't all need to compete with each other and fight or seek to control each other. Bring the Stone to all and the needs and wants disappear and level us all.

If there were no needs or wants how could we learn anything? What would we discover without reasons for looking?

Bring the stone to all and we all disappear, whats the need of a physical existence now?

I bet its been done before. Maybe we are what remained in the bottom of the vessel to putrefy, purify, into an exalted form. Is that not what the allegories in scripture also express?

When we are all gone, who is it that's left.

Is it making sense?

 

[black]

If there were no needs or wants how could we learn anything? What would we discover without reasons for looking?

Bring the stone to all and we all disappear, whats the need of a physical existence now?

I bet its been done before. Maybe we are what remained in the bottom of the vessel to putrefy, purify, into an exalted form. Is that not what the allegories in scripture also express?

When we are all gone, who is it that's left.

Is it making sense?

All the above 100%

We are here to Evolve.

 

[Andro]

We are here to Evolve.

No we're not. That's pseudo-spiritual copium. And some of the greatest ancient philosophers knew this all too well.

Always look at First Principles, not at some carbon copied hopium narratives.

This reality construct is not a "school for evolving", and it's not a "prison", either.

We are "here" because of the Infinity/Finality Paradox Loop.

And it can be hacked, because a true paradox refuses to exist.

 

[Pilgrim]

If there were no needs or wants how could we learn anything? What would we discover without reasons for looking?

This statement doesn't hold true to my thinking for surely if we had no needs or wants (in terms of survival) then our thirst for knowledge would be insatiable. We would no longer be preoccupied with ailments, illnesses, worrying about the next meal, heating our homes or working every day. In fact I can personally testify to this. Since I upped and walked away from my mainstream career I've been on a perpetual journey of learning, researching and acquiring knowledge. I have learned more in the last 10 years than I had ever learned before that.

Free a man from the forced shackles of having to survive, working, toiling, being ill etc and he will then start to gaze at the stars and wonder what is out there. He will gaze at nature and wonder how it operates. He will devote more time to his spiritual self.

Give me this freedom and longevity and I would absolutely learn new things. New languages, new skills, playing musical instruments, writing books or poetry.

Ultimately freeing ourselves from the survival shackles of this planet would be the major step that lets us explore space properly. The next big step.

Bring the stone to all and we all disappear, whats the need of a physical existence now?

We are all immortal. We can not disappear, we can only change from one thing to another. Physical existence is a prison for our spirits/souls. We are destined to escape and become non-physical beings imo.

I bet its been done before. Maybe we are what remained in the bottom of the vessel to putrefy, purify, into an exalted form. Is that not what the allegories in scripture also express?

Yes there is much synergy between alchemy and our plight. Spiritual alchemy. We are being refined, purified in various ways but at vastly different rates. All things are not equal. Someone is sabotaging the equipment/experiment, contaminating the substances so that the work goes on perpetually and thus most people are stuck in an endless loop, chained to the wheel of life, constantly being reincarnated with no memory of previous incarnations. Akin to starting the Great Work over and over never getting anywhere. Few there are that escape this plight.

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

This for me is about finding our way on that true path to escape the endless cycle.

When we are all gone, who is it that's left.

We can never be gone. We "are" and always will be. It's simply a question of what we are, what we could be, will be.

 

[Pilgrim]

a true paradox refuses to exist.

Is this true?

How about a paradox that infinity can exist within set limits? Would that be a paradox?

 

[alfr]

No we're not. That's pseudo-spiritual copium. And some of the greatest ancient philosophers knew this all too well.

Always look at First Principles, not at some carbon copied hopium narratives.

This reality construct is not a "school for evolving", and it's not a "prison", either.

We are "here" because of the Infinity/Finality Paradox Loop.

And it can be hacked, because a true paradox refuses to exist

Hi Anrdro you say ...No we're not. That's pseudo-spiritual copium .And some of the greatest ancient philosophers knew this all too well....
ok very interesting it so to which ancient philosophers are you referring ?

my best regard

 

[Pilgrim]

The problem with secrets and great technology is it corrupts people. Power corrupts absolutely. Just reading many of the exchanges on the forum one can already see the corruption at work, one ego pitted against another ego, one person seeking to be one up on the other. It's like the corruption of the One Ring in Tolkein's Middle Earth. This art, this final thing, is not meant for one man or for one group. It is for all life on earth It is supposed to be Eden.

I read an alchemical work this very week which implored those with the knowledge to remain quiet and secret . . .

"lest all the hogs come to the honey pot"

How arrogant and elitist is this? Who is deciding who are hogs and who are not. This is what happens when power corrupts. The story of Jesus shows us clearly the way. He went to the poor people, to the Gentiles, to those that the elites would not touch. He offered them succor and eternal life. Whether the story is literally true or not, the moral is sound. These secrets are for ALL HUMANITY not for the few to abuse and keep hidden from everyone else. While ever there remains an "us and them" elitist barrier we are lost and the corrupt status quo will perpetuate. The secret societies have much to blame in this respect, setting themselves up as elites, serving themselves/their own to the detriment of others who are not in their societies (veiling this with an outer layer of charitable works). Eden must be restored on Earth. The lion must sleep with the lamb.

The time for secrets is over, this much should be clear to any sane individual. If you're withholding the answers, you're part of the problem and are complicit in the continuing massacre and subjugation of humanity. How many more millions must perish horribly before you take action and reveal what you know to everyone else, freely and compassionately with love and grace?

"But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, so that the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any one of them, that person is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand."

 

[alfr]

......... Alfr do you study devoutly .... do you pray devoutly .... are you a Spiritual man ???

Without this there is not even a beginning of any understanding of Alchemy.

I noticed today that Awani wrote .... An alchemist who doesn't pray is a chemist. How true.

The only place you can get your answers from Alfr is from a Higher Source as All Adept Alchemists past, present and future have done.

Hi Mr Black, sorry for the delay in replying but I had to travel with family

MENTOR which gives you instructions etc ?

Now what you say in many post about your mentor is very interesting
but I think this is a rare gift from heaven and a very rare exception and that concerns a few rare exceptions

BECAUSE IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE THAT An alchemist who doesn't pray is a chemist.

BUT likewise I don't believe that all those who are seriously committed to trying to practice alchemy are lucky enough to have direct contact as you claim and claim to have
BUT in fact reading all your posts from first to last you can actually see that at a certain point there is a change in you because before you worked on the Valentino triumphal chariot commented by the famous Dr Kirkringus and on the Powder of Algaroth / antimony and mercuric sublimate (a very dangerous product) the result of which is called by everyone (mistakenly for me) acqua di vitae and then after that phase there is no doubt that you completely change your pace of research and practice and from there you assert that the materials of works are antimony niks etc and which instead indicate etc and much more

MEDITATION PRAY and COMMUNICATE WITH A HIGHER ENTITY etc
I certainly meditate and practice various meditation techniques with light and indirect reflected rays of the sun and I pray and obviously i ask for enlightenment and knowledge from the universal but very humbly and honestly I don't have, as you say, a contact with an entity of the superior light that mentors and teaches
And on this I therefore believe that you are a rare and very lucky exception and that heaven has given you an enormous gift and that you are a rare exception but if you have effective advice and methods to indicate forarrive to this very special gift they are obviously more that welcome ?

My best regards alfr

 

[black]

My best regards alfr

Thank you for your post alfr .... a bit busy today but I will reply in a day or two.

 

[black]

Hi Mr Black, sorry for the delay in replying but I had to travel with family

MENTOR which gives you instructions etc ?

Now what you say in many post about your mentor is very interesting
but I think this is a rare gift from heaven and a very rare exception and that concerns a few rare exceptions

Hi alfr

Yes, I think you are correct alfr.

BECAUSE IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE THAT An alchemist who doesn't pray is a chemist.

BUT likewise I don't believe that all those who are seriously committed to trying to practice alchemy are lucky enough to have direct contact as you claim and claim to have

My Mentor has told me that only about half of the Brothers have a clear communication with him.

BUT in fact reading all your posts from first to last you can actually see that at a certain point there is a change in you because before you worked on the Valentino triumphal chariot commented by the famous Dr Kirkringus and on the Powder of Algaroth / antimony and mercuric sublimate (a very dangerous product) the result of which is called by everyone (mistakenly for me) acqua di vitae and then after that phase there is no doubt that you completely change your pace of research and practice and from there you assert that the materials of works are antimony niks etc and which instead indicate etc and much more

What you have noticed alfr is quite true .... for many years I had to look like a beginner student of Alchemy.

Before I asked to join this forum I was reading it for some time and noticed that Green Lion had a good understanding of the Great Work .... he was collecting "Pure" Spiritus Mundi and extracting Alchemic Oils.

I joined this forum to be able to communicate with him ..... I am still in contact with Green Lion and the other member that also collects "Pure" Spiritus Mundi and extracts Alchemic Oils but not via this forum.

It has been explained to me why they no longer post on this forum .... also the other Brothers have no desire to join this forum or post here.

I will explain that in this world there is an Alchemic Brotherhood for those that have Entered into the Great Work.

I was advised that I was wasting my time here also and then I stopped posting here.

This is when you would have noticed a change as my Alchemy Teacher asked me to continue to post with the incentive that if I did then he would give me free rein to speak as clearly as I chose about my work and Alchemy in general.

My Mentor has advised me that there is a good reason for it .... he said that it is assisting one (1) of the other members that has potential to enter the Great Work.

MEDITATION PRAY and COMMUNICATE WITH A HIGHER ENTITY etc
I certainly meditate and practice various meditation techniques with light and indirect reflected rays of the sun and I pray and obviously i ask for enlightenment and knowledge from the universal but very humbly and honestly I don't have, as you say, a contact with an entity of the superior light that mentors and teaches
And on this I therefore believe that you are a rare and very lucky exception and that heaven has given you an enormous gift and that you are a rare exception but if you have effective advice and methods to indicate forarrive to this very special gift they are obviously more that welcome ?

My best regards alfr

The best advise I can give alfr is to pray .... you may not hear the Creator but He hears all of your prayers and can open your understanding.

My Mentor has told me that it is most important to ask for help and guidance.
Never stop asking.

My best regards to you also alfr.

 

[alfr]

Hi alfr

Yes, I think you are correct alfr.

My Mentor has told me that only about half of the Brothers have a clear communication with him.

What you have noticed alfr is quite true .... for many years I had to look like a beginner student of Alchemy.

Before I asked to join this forum I was reading it for some time and noticed that Green Lion had a good understanding of the Great Work .... he was collecting "Pure" Spiritus Mundi and extracting Alchemic Oils.

I joined this forum to be able to communicate with him ..... I am still in contact with Green Lion and the other member that also collects "Pure" Spiritus Mundi and extracts Alchemic Oils but not via this forum.

It has been explained to me why they no longer post on this forum .... also the other Brothers have no desire to join this forum or post here.

I will explain that in this world there is an Alchemic Brotherhood for those that have Entered into the Great Work.

I was advised that I was wasting my time here also and then I stopped posting here.

This is when you would have noticed a change as my Alchemy Teacher asked me to continue to post with the incentive that if I did then he would give me free rein to speak as clearly as I chose about my work and Alchemy in general.

My Mentor has advised me that there is a good reason for it .... he said that it is assisting one (1) of the other members that has potential to enter the Great Work.



The best advise I can give alfr is to pray .... you may not hear the Creator but He hears all of your prayers and can open your understanding.

My Mentor has told me that it is most important to ask for help and guidance.
Never stop asking.

My best regards to you also alfr.

Hi Mr Black Really very THANK for your version answers and for your version of the your clarifications very THANKS

PRAY and ASK help and guidance at the creator and never stop asking..

SURE SURE we will certainly continue to meditate, pray and ask for help from the universal light THANK

my best regard Alfr

 

[Lakshmana]

Are you also in touch with frater Rhoend isn't he also collecting pure SM?
@black

 

[Andro]

This whole concept of hierarchy and one self-appointed ruler requiring everyone else to serve them still does not sit well with me. It's just another form of slavery. It's not freedom. I reach the point where it becomes obvious that over billions and billions of years entities have become so powerful and have likely waged universal wars of a magnitude we could not comprehend, and one has triumphed out of it all and now rules everything. Hence no-one is free, not even all the "hosts of Heaven" and every entity from the top down that many claim exist in other realms. This is why I tend towards utter despair. I am trapped in a prison created by immensely powerful beings with seemingly no hope of escape. No hope for freedom. Only a "Hobson's" choice of live, suffer and die perpetually as a meaningless discarded tiny dot in the universe, or submit, worship, become a slave to the controlling entity and thereby be granted certain privileges over the hoi polloi but nevertheless still be a slave constantly cow towing to "the Man".

When will all life ever be free?

I appreciate all your contributions @black and effort towards those here, but you appear to have enslaved yourself to your mentor and to those he/she has likewise enslaved themselves to, all the way up the food chain. You are not free.

Only one entity has free will.

The one who can manifest anything by will alone

Everyone else is just a fish in his aquarium there to serve his whims

@Pilgrim

What you described above mostly pertains to the Path of Devotion. Devotees can be incredibly sanctimonious and self-righteous at times. They also LOVE to proclaim themselves as "Adepts", etc., using the "Appeal to Authority" fallacy to justify just about everything.

And while Devotion is indeed a valid Path in our reality construct, with a very specific type of outcome for those who follow it, the good news is there are other Paths, equally valid and with different goals and different types of outcomes.

There are some highly accomplished alchemists out there, perhaps some of them are even members of this forum, but you'll never see them exhibit such devotee symptoms and pathologies. It's a path-specific thing, not an absolute.

Regarding Free Will: Although it technically exists, it only exists "on paper", because with all the programs and influences we are subjected to and implanted with, we might as well say it's de-facto inactive. Free Will must be affirmed, asserted and exercised, otherwise it remains theoretical.

"Figuring out" Alchemy and Liberation can be an outcome of sheer devotion to whatever entity/entities, but not only. It can also be gradually arrived at by persistent (and often lonely) study and practice, employing a sharp & piercing intellect, a well-trained intuition and a dot-connecting mind. Certain non-devotional practices can also be employed to enhance our magickal skills, without involving evocations or invocations, etc. Watch this movie. Also see THIS. And don't give in to despair.

 

[Pilgrim]

Thanks Andro. I think of all the people here you seem to me to be the most "independent" of them, crafting for yourself the existence you want, living where you have chosen to live on your own terms and so on and this is exemplified in the confidence you display here when standing up for that which you firmly know to be true and that which you have personally experienced. I'll watch the links and get back to you.