Salt & Water

[Christophorus]

Sorry for the late reply, Seraphim.

I believe those are just the colors coming from the refraction of the light (from the microscope) through the water and sea salt.
Love that album, by the way.

I'm still collecting the brown materia. It takes some time...

 

[Seraphim]

Thanks for the reply Christophorus, I like the pretty rainbow colors they look very familiar. Can the brown materia be different colors like brownish, reddish or purplish?

 

[Christophorus]

Hello,

I believe the expected result should be brown with this specific matter. But again, my experience is very limited and I could be wrong.

Other salts (or even the same salts from different areas) may produce different results. Are you getting consistent results over and over again, with different colors?

 

[Christophorus]

Update:

The brown matter that appears green at the microscope, was sealed with a cork and was digesting for a week. Today I open it and a very noticeable smell of fresh green peas, or smashed grass came out of the tube. That's something I was not expecting at all. Digestion will continue.



I'm also doing solve and coagula series without calcinations. Just simple circulations. After the second one, the brown materia was already present. I will not take it out during the circulations in order to see what will happen . I just got a variac that permits me to control the temperature of the external fire. I'm not letting it boil, but close.



The brown materia appearing:



Cheap variac. It's working well. Got it at Ali Express (13€)

 

[Seraphim]

Thanks for the reply Christophorus. I don't have much experience yet either but hope to learn some day. Everyone is very nice and helpful here.

Playing with different plants have found a few different colored salt like some are tannish, brownish, grayish, reddish, purplish, dull white, sparkly white/rainbow etc. It is very interesting to me the different colors and shapes of salt so thanks everyone for sharing your experiments.

 

[Christophorus]

Thanks for the reply Christophorus. I don't have much experience yet either but hope to learn some day. Everyone is very nice and helpful here.

Playing with different plants have found a few different colored salt like some are tannish, brownish, grayish, reddish, purplish, dull white, sparkly white/rainbow etc. It is very interesting to me the different colors and shapes of salt so thanks everyone for sharing your experiments.

I believe the main salt of plants after the process of calcination of the remains, solution in water followed by evaporation etc results always in a form of carb potash that possesses the mark of the plant. As so, it should be always whiter than snow. How did you get different salt colors from plants?

 

[Seraphim]

Ah ok, always whiter than snow. I don't know why the different salt colors but if i had to guess maybe because depending on the oil of plant maybe that has something to do with salt color? Still trying to figure out this "Calcination" stuff.

 

[Christophorus]

Update:

After the distillations, I've exposed the salts to the Sun, in order to prepare the putrificatio. This is being done for 1 week.
The more volatile salts are climbing the flask and in the bottom, the crystals are forming. The side that gets direct sunlight shows a higher percentage of salts climbing. This didn't happen in previous experiments. All salts were climbing homogeneously around the flask.



After this, I'm hoping for putrefaction to occur with exposure to the moon. The matter will then be collected and worked again.

Thanks;

C.

 

[Christophorus]

After this, I'm hoping for putrification to occur with exposure to the moon. The matter will then be collected and worked again.

Hello. This work is going slow, but not forgotten!

My previous quoted sentence is 100% Incorrect. Foolish thought! If it is physical, can't be philosophical!

I had put my mind to think about what the ph. deliquescence was, in order to be able to understand the putrefaction of the salt. And with that, an enormous revelation came about the nature of Ph. references. I think I understood, but I'm not sure until I make it in the lab.
I need to collect more matter, but if my intuition is correct the result will be a starting matter to work all way up to a stone.
I would say that in this case: "The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone".

Let's see. I will keep updating.

See you all!

 

[black]

After this, I'm hoping for putrification to occur with exposure to the moon.

Hi Christophorus

The Philosophical Moon is what causes Putrefaction.

 

[Christophorus]

Hi Christophorus

The Philosophical Moon is what causes Putrefaction.

Hello Black!

Yes.
But the "mental jump" needed to understand what Philosophical means is not an easy one.
Philosophical has different meanings, according to the matter, phase etc.
I think I understood the concept, but the work will prove it right or wrong.

Thank you!
C.

 

[black]

Hello Black!

Yes.
But the "mental jump" needed to understand what Philosophical means is not an easy one.
Philosophical has different meanings, according to the matter, phase etc.
I think I understood the concept, but the work will prove it right or wrong.

Tank you!
C.

Hi Christophorus

Check link HERE and it may open the vision of Philosophical for you ... Sun/Moon, King/Queen, Gold/Silver, etc.

Some Alchemists shuffle them around a bit ... but I hope you get the idea.

 

[Kibric]

A philosophical male is something you have chosen that resembles characteristics associated to the male gender.

For instance common dirt can be seen as male because it has characteristics of being solid, dense, heavy. These are attributes historically associated with masculinity.

A philosophical female would be something you have chosen that resembles characteristics associated to the female gender.
For instance rain water because its liquid, fluid, light.
These are attributes historically associated with femininity.

A philosophical hermafrodite a combination of male and female in this case would be mud.
Dirt and rainwater mixed as one body.
It has the characteristics of both male and female joined.
So heavy and dense dirt joined with light and fluid rain
makes slugdy mud.
Its light, you can flick mud, and heavy you can get stuck in it.

You can use anything that displays or resembles qualites associated with male and female.
The alchemists were applying this to their matter.

Here the author points out that the One Substance, is a viscous,
gray, hermaphroditic liquid. Its passive, feminine characteristic
comes from its liquid state and spirit of Mercury. Its active,
masculine characteristic comes from its solid state and spirit of
fiery Sulphur. In other words, physically it is Water and earth, but
spiritually it is Mercury and Sulphur.

Just One Thing under the Sun
Its Possession is the secret of making Gold.
Its form is both male and female.
Its nature is both hot and cold.
Its nutrients pour out,
Its male part, solid, Its female part, liquid.
Its unity makes it the beginning and the end.
Its state changes from male to female:
Dissolving, putrefying, purifying, coagulating,
Until the golden Child appears.
Its milk feeds the Child anew,
And lets you immediately repeat the Work,
Until everything flows and penetrates.
Then fine gold accumulates,
Its Spiritual Body turns acid.
Its Colors have to be made ready for the Work:
But be righteous and guard against sins,
And God will grant you this treasure:
Its color will eventually turn red,
And then remember to thank the Lord.

https://www.alchemywebsite.com/herm02.html

 

[Christophorus]

Hi Christophorus

Check link HERE and it may open the vision of Philosophical for you ... Sun/Moon, King/Queen, Gold/Silver, etc.

Some Alchemists shuffle them around a bit ... but I hope you get the idea.

Hello Black.

I understood that too.


In a past post on this topic, I mentioned that like any other matter, Salt should also have the 3 philosophical principles inside. Earth, sulfur, and mercury.

In fact, they can be separated. You can see it in previous pictures of this experiment. I made it several times but didn't perceive it, because I was not looking with philosophical eyes.

A philosophical male is something you have chosen that resembles characteristics associated to the male gender.

For instance common dirt can be seen as male because it has characteristics of being solid, dense, heavy. These are attributes historically associated with masculinity.

A philosophical female would be something you have chosen that resembles characteristics associated to the female gender.
For instance rain water because its liquid, fluid, light.
These are attributes historically associated with femininity.

A philosophical hermaphrodite a combination of male and female in this case would be mud.
Dirt and rainwater mixed as one body.
It has the characteristics of both male and female joined.
So heavy and dense dirt joined with light and fluid rain
makes sludgy mud.
Its light, you can flick mud, and heavy you can get stuck in it.

You can use anything that displays or resembles qualities associated with male and female.
The alchemists were applying this to their matter.

Hello Kibric

YES. This is KEY. It's easy to understand but hard to comprehend until you see it happening in the lab. To DO the work is FUNDAMENTAL.

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We know that after the preparations, we need to putrefy the matter. Without this, it will not flourish again.
This is where I'm with the experiment. I believe I got the putrefied matter, but to be sure, I need to receive confirmation from the matter itself. I will try to make it evolve to the flourishing phase. In my opinion, this work can bring forward a stone. Limited, yes. But a stone nevertheless. I'm going to resume this work as soon as I finish the work in hand.

Let's see what's going to happen.

Thanks for your interest in my results. I will keep updating it.

C.

 

[black]

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We know that after the preparations, we need to putrify the matter. Without this, it will not flourish again.
This is where I'm with the experiment. I believe I got the putrified matter, but to be sure, I need to receive confirmation from the matter itself. I will try to make it evolve to the flourishing phase. In my opinion, this work can bring forward a stone. Limited, yes. But a stone nevertheless. I'm going to resume this work as soon as I finish the work in hand.
Let's see what's going to happen.

Thanks for your interest in my results. I will keep updating it.

C.

I wish you all the best ...

But you will need Philosophic Mercury and Philosophic Gold to be able to get an
Alchemic Putrefaction.

 

[Kiorionis]

The Philosophical Moon is what causes Putrefaction.

But you will need Philosophic Mercury and Philosophic Gold to be able to get an
Alchemic Putrefaction.

Hmmm, I wonder which one it is

 

[Christophorus]

But you will need Philosophic Mercury and Philosophic Gold to be able to get an
Alchemic Putrefaction.

Roger that!

This gray/green powder is the beginning of the salt vegetation.
The sea salt, during the work of successive distillations, must pass by various phases.
The first is the black. It is the putrefaction.
The second is the green. It is the vegetation. The sea salt becomes again living and starts again its evolution.
Then we must see the grey then the white.
It is very difficult to obtain the red.
We can stop with the white if it had passed by the black and the green before.
We keep the distilled liquid of this last distillation.
We crush white salt with pure gold sheets.
We add little by little the distilled liquid, very continuously to crush the mixture.
Gold then will dissolve, because it is very related to purified salt.
We then obtain a liquid containing gold in solution.
We filter.
We put this liquid to be distilled.
At the end of distillation, a kind of red/brown gum must remain at the bottom.
It is the sulfur of gold.
We can continue work while putting the distilled liquid on deposit.
The goal is to make gold sufficiently volatile so that it is distilled with the liquid.
When all gold (or a good part) is distilled, we can stop.
It is then enough to let evaporate the distillate.
We have then a yellow/red resin.

It is the Philosopher's stone of this path.

 

[Christophorus]

I wish you all the best ...

Just a note in 2 parts.

1) This is a process to learn more about nature itself, how certain elements behave and nature moves between them.
I truly believe this is not our materia, because our materia has different characteristics, as shown in the thread The Philosopher's Matter in general, and in THE CALCIUM thread in particular.

Salt is a vessel. And every vessel has its hidden virtues.

2) I share this experiment with all since the beginning. Everybody has access to my failures and joys. And I think that's important because we learn more from the failures than from victory. What are your failures and victories? Where is your work?

This is to say, that probably many people don't share their works because they don't want to have someone saying to everything that is shared: you need Ph Mercury or Ph Gold or moon or sun, or the secret fire, or the secret whatever. Nobody will learn The Art without proper guidance. And let me tell you that guidance is something that is very hard to get.
Apart from some members here, that more and more are silent - and their voice should be heard - it seems that many are convinced that they are protecting the Art when in fact they are not. Adepts talk about art without veils, but with a language that is learned and understood. With several layers, sure. With traps, sure! But they add value. Without them, we had nothing to work with. What is the value that each of us brings to the table? I believe that's a question we should put to ourselves from time to time. I do it to myself. The answer is not beautiful every time.

I genuinely feel sad when I can help someone and I chose not to, or when I try my best and still the help is not effective.
Please don't tell me that you "wish me all the best", because you know "secrets", when you can point something concrete like: "Have you tried this? or that?" or "have you considered XXXX to be the sun or XXXX to be the moon?". Wouldn't that be better and more captivating?

I also understand that you like many, already discussed the same things over and over again with many different people, but to maintain a forum alive and participative, that's something everyone needs to do many many times. that's a forum, in my opinion. It's very easy to say: "go and read this or that". Sure books are important, but the work needs guidance. When people don't find the guidance needed, they just make a mess that could be avoided in the first place.
Those who arrive at the art are children, but they are treated like old and wise men/women. Where is the "children's game"?

Please don't take my words as an offense. I don't like or want that. Take it as a confrontation to generate tension. Without tension, there's no action.



C.

 

[Kibric]

Thanks for the thread link.

 

[elixirmixer]

What Christophorus said is all true. Both about the vessels and everything else.

I used to try and contribute to the forum as much as possible but I found that it got rarer and rarer that anyone would really reciprocate with me, and it was a lot of effort to take photos and write stuff put and so eventually I just stopped. Felt like this wasn't going anywhere and I may as well just be on my own.

Of course there are the few exceptions and you guys know who you are and thank you for the occasional advice.

But even then, the advise is always extremely vague, and often just send my head spinning in circles, and without guidance to verify some of these things, it sometimes even does more harm then good sending me down rabbit holes and I end up just throwing it in the bin and going back to my own musings which are slightly less painful.

Well put it this way I have been passionately here participating in 'Alchemy' for 5 years now, and while I have a better understanding about what Alchemy 'is', but in terms of practical growth, despite all the attempts you've seen me perform I am not really that much closer to my goal.

And I learn alchemy to serve God and others and I have genuine and passionate love for God and my fellow man and I don't sit on the couch about it, I go out there and change peoples lives (which I am doing, and doing effectively BTW)

So the whole moral code, that Alchemy is going to be unlocked for the righteous is just fucking cope. I literally only live for other people. I hate the existence in this society and I want to commit suicide just simple out of the moral stance that I have that humanity has turned to shit and I do not want to be at all associated with its decisions. But I press on. And I grind every fucking day of my life for other people.

The alchemy secret stuff is an absolute cope. The rich already run the world and I've never seen anyone, ever, give a logical or rational explanation for the secrecy other than bullshit statements that the evil will use it or that it will crash the economy.

The evil already have almost absolute power and the economy is completely fucked.

Absolute bullshit cope, and you stagnate the art with this crap, and any good we passionate foot soldiers could have performed with her.

And you (those who selfishly conceal the secrets) will be held accountable for that. (IMO) That I can assure you. (IMO)

 

[Seraphim]

Matthew 22:36-40

36 Teacher, which kind of commandment is great and important (the principal kind) in the Law? [Some commandments are light—which are heavy?]

37 And He replied to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind (intellect).

38 This is the great (most important, principal) and first commandment.

39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as [you do] yourself.

40 These two commandments sum up and upon them depend all the Law and the Prophets.

 

[black]

Hi Christophorus

1) This is a process to learn more about nature itself, how certain elements behave and nature moves between them.
I truly believe this is not our materia, because our materia has different characteristics, as shown in the thread The Philosopher's Matter in general, and in THE CALCIUM thread in particular.

Salt it's a vessel. And every vessel has its hidden virtues.

And a good learning process.

2) I share this experiment with all since the beginning. Everybody has access to my failures and joys. And I think that's important because we learn more from the failures than from victory. What are your failures and victories? Where is your work?

Thank you for sharing ... your failures and successes are important to all that read the forum.
I worked for 20 years on my own before finding the forum.

Hundreds upon hundreds of failed experiments over these years, but I viewed them as stepping stones to when I might have a success.

Over the years I found that I could not find the answers to any of the questions about the Great Work.

The only knowledge I have about Alchemy was given directly to me via a Spiritual Connection ... I have never been able to attain anything Alchemic on my own !!!!!!

This is why I have tried to stimulate interest in communication with the "All Knowing" through the games of Divination, etc, etc.

If you read the old masters books you will realize that without a "Divine" connection we cannot have any understanding of Alchemy.

My feeling is that as I got a foot in the door, then if I suggest it to others then perhaps they may also get some advancement from this type of communication.

This is the greatest thing that I have to bring to the table.

This is to say, that probably many people don't share their works because they don't want to have someone saying to everything that is shared: you need Ph Mercury or Ph Gold or moon or sun, or the secret fire, or the secret whatever. Nobody will learn The Art without proper guidance. And let me tell you that guidance is something that is very hard to get.

What you have written here is very true Christophorus.

I can give advise about what not to do ... But only the "Divine" can assist you with what is needed to advance in the Work, this is the only "Proper Guidance".

I have said this many time before that this is a protected "Divine" Science and the knowledge of it has remained a secret for thousands upon thousands of years and will continue to remain so.

Apart from some members here, that more and more are silent - and their voice should be heard - it seems that many are convinced that they are protecting the Art when in fact they are not.

Man cannot protect this Art ... the Protection is carried out by other entities.

Adepts talk about art without veils, but with a language that is learned and understood. With several layers, sure. With traps, sure! But they add value. Without them, we had nothing to work with. What is the value that each of us brings to the table?

A brotherhood of like mindedness.

I bring what I can to the table, some readers may gain something, others may not.

We are all on slightly different levels of vibration, one person might recognizesomething that others will not see. The All Knowing can give us the Sight to see.

I genuinely feel sad when I can help someone and I chose not to, or when I try my best and still the help is not effective.

I also understand that feeling.

Please don't tell me that you "wish me all the best", because you know "secrets", when you can point something concrete like: "Have you tried this? or that?" or "have you considered XXXX to be the sun or XXXX to be the moon?". Wouldnt that be better and more captivating?

Have you tried any Secret Solvents ?
Have you tried working with all the metals ?
Have you tried the Antimony Path ?
Have you tried the Acetate Path ?
Have you tried the GW Path ?
Have you tried the Cinnabar Path ?
Have you tried the Short Path ?
Have you tried the Long path ?, etc, etc, etc.

I also understand that you like many, already discussed the same things over and over again with many different people, but to maintain a forum alive and participative, that's something everyone needs to do many many times. that's a forum, in my opinion. It's very easy to say: "go and read this or that". Sure books are important, but the work needs guidance. When people don't find the guidance needed, they just make a mess that could be avoided in the first place.
Those who arrive at the art are children, but they are treated like old and wise men/women. Where is the "children's game"?

Everything is simple when we know how e.g. It's Child's Play.

Please don't take my words as an offense. I don't like that. Take it as a confrontation to generate tension. Without tension, there's no action.

No offence taken ... and confrontation can be constructive.

IMHO ....

 

[Christophorus]

No offence taken ... and confrontation can be constructive.

IMHO ....

Thank you!
A good and respectfull debate is the way to go!

Let me try to be more specific because alchemists have a very peculiar way of saying nothing with lots of words.

I worked for 20 years on my own before finding the forum.
Hundreds upon hundreds of failed experiments over these years, but I viewed them as stepping stones to when I might have a success.

Over the years I found that I could not find the answers to any of the questions about the Great Work.

The only knowledge I have about Alchemy was given directly to me via a Spiritual Connection ... I have never been able to attain anything Alchemic on my own !!!!!!

I understand and relate to that. But I believe we see the "connection" in a different way when the subject is the lab work. You believe that without the Connection you never attain anything Alchemic. I believe that without the Connection I wouldn't even exist as I am. To me, this is not faith but deed. I don't believe, I know.

This is why I have tried to stimulate interest in communication with the "All Knowing" through the games of Divination, etc, etc.

Now, do you really want to put your faith to the test, changing roles? I tell you what is the number I choose from 1 to 10 and you pick it? Let's try that!

Of course, you will not... I bet! You don't need to provide any proof... etc.

Do you have a single idea about how many people told me this kind of thing? Show me! Like Thomas! But... you will not!

Everything is simple when we know how e.g. It's Childs Play.

Agree, but that's not the important there.

Have you tried any Secret Solvents ?
Have you tried working with all the metals ?
Have you tried the Antimony Path ?
Have you tried the Acetate Path ?
Have you tried the GW Path ?
Have you tried the Cinnabar Path ?
Have you tried the Short Path ?
Have you tried the Long path ?, etc, etc, etc.

My point exactly!

I can give advise about what not to do...

My point exactly 2!
How is it possible to learn something like that?
e.g. 1 - I want to play piano - Answer: I can give advise about what not to do in the piano.

e.g. 1 - I need to understand how the piano works - Answer: I can give advise about what not to do with the mechanics of the piano.

As Plato said: “Do not train a child to learn by force or harshness; but direct them to it by what amuses their minds, so that you may be better able to discover with accuracy the peculiar bent of the genius of each.” or “Education is teaching our children to desire the right things.”

I have said this many time before that this is a protected "Divine" Science and the
knowledge of it has remained a secret for thousands upon thousands of years and
will continue to remain so.

Can't be. The Yuga will not last that long.

I would love to have people like you giving tips to those who are working at the lab. Not about WHAT NOT TO DO, but WHAT TO DO.
What is the purpose of pointing all roads that will not end in a bridge to the ones that are looking for the bridge itself?
What is the point? I really don't understand...

C.

 

[black]

Hello Mr. Mixer

And I learn alchemy to serve God and others and I have genuine and passionate love for God and my fellow man and I don't sit on the couch about it, I go out there and change peoples lives (which I am doing, and doing effectively btw)

Truly one of the great things in life any of us can do ... help others that is.
This is good to hear, and if you enjoy helping others ... all the better for you.
After all it's not fun helping people if you don't enjoy it.

So the whole moral code, that Alchemy is going to be unlocked for the righteous is just fucking cope. I literally only live for other people.

I can only suggest that you address these issues you have with the God you serve.

The alchemy secret stuff is an absolute cope.

Another issue to put to God (The All Knowing)

I hear what your saying Mr. Mixer ... I've walked in those shoes.

The rich already run the world and I've never seen anyone, ever, give a logical or rational explanation for the secrecy other than bullshit statements that the evil will use it or that it will crash the economy.

The evil already have almost absolute power and the economy is completely fucked.

Absolute bullshit cope, and you stagnate the art with this crap, and any good we passionate foot soldiers could have performed with her.

There is so much more to Alchemy than Medicine and Gold.
If you ask God (The All Knowing) He may explain it to you.

Do you communicate with Him everyday ?

And you (those who selfishly conceal the secrets) will be held accountable for that. (Imo) That I can assure you. (Imo)

I have also suffered with this type of torment ... you may have to hold your God accountable for this situation that you are in.

Have you tried any type of communication with the "All Knowing" ?????

If not it sounds like it could be time to start, and get those answers that you want.

I honestly hope some of my suggestions can be of some help.

IMHO ......

 

[black]

Hmmm, I wonder which one it is

Hi Kiorionis

Both can be correct.