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There are a few VERY simple experiments that almost everyone can undertake at home, with stuff most people already have available in the kitchen.

One such example is tinkering with a salt and a liquid, in this case, common salt and plain water.

I've decided to give it a spin as a sort of "proof of concept" experiment and post it here for reference.

The "matters" used here are sea salt (we used Celtic) and water (we used distilled spring water, collected directly from a local spring).

All there is to it is basically "Dissolve & Coagulate". But you can tinker with it, like varying the heating (or no heating) temperatures when the salt is dry (between dissolutions), various temperatures for evaporating the water, etc... Later you can also introduce other variables, light solar and/or lunar exposure, different matters, etc... Just get some tinkering done! :)

In addition to the salt and the water, you'll probably need a hotplate and/or an oven, stuff that is already present in most households. A boiling flask can also be nice, but perhaps not absolutely necessary.

Anyway, here's what happens to the salt during and after the water is evaporated in this very simple and very basic experiment, after a dozen or so cycles:

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Note: This did NOT happen after the few first/initial cycles, only a bit "later in the game"...

If you've read the Golden Chain of Homer, you can also play around with the liquid-to-solid ratio, and perhaps see which ratios make it "climb" and which ratios lead it more towards fixity?

Maybe there is a lot that can be learned/observed from such simple basic stuff...
 

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Nice...thanks for the generous info.

Charles Littlefield worked on this "vitalization" also.

Do you notice any difference between electric vs fire heat sources? How about indoors vs outside?

Those are my only questions. Much needs to be learned through trial and error.

EDIT... Never mind, I need to stop smoking cannabis and learn how to read...
I've decided to give it a spin as a sort of "proof of concept" experiment and post it here for reference.
 

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CuSO4 (blue vitriol): dest. water (from tumble dryer)
1:3 ratio(mass)
T~60-70°C (electric heat plate)

Already climbing after first round.
 

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Second round: The beaker already isn't enough anymore.
This is interesting!
 

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Pretty images. Thanks for sharing. The way the salt climbs it appears to be alive or growing. Looks like a fun experiment with salt and water.
 

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Does the climbing salt change in chemical properties or is it just alchemical properties?

Does the climbing salt exhibit a sign that spiritus mundi is now present?
 

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For such a small post I really love this, thanks Andro! I will be sure to toy with this some. I have a question, when you get such a salt and it starts to climb. Would it climb if under a vacuum?
 

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Does the climbing salt change in chemical properties or is it just alchemical properties?

Does the climbing salt exhibit a sign that spiritus mundi is now present?

Depending on what is being worked with, the higher the salt the more fine grained it is (chemical properties) and it also tends to be significantly more "piercing" in power (alchemical properties)


For such a small post I really love this, thanks Andro! I will be sure to toy with this some. I have a question, when you get such a salt and it starts to climb. Would it climb if under a vacuum?

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On another forum once run that he who shall not be named, a guy did something similar, albeit with natural atmospheric humidity. After many cycles his salt was able to corrode a common stainless spoon.

Devil's advocate may say it was simply due to the salt absorbing nitates in the air, slowly forming a sort of AR, but sometimes it is hard to differentiate chemical from alchemical phenomenon. But I do believe the climbing and volatility could be an alchemical indicator.

The saying does go, make the fixed volatile and the volatile fixed. This sort of weird inversion of properties.
 

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"Dissolve & Coagulate" is pretty much "gospel" when it comes to certain alchemical practices. Repetition of the process will in many cases alter the properties of the involved matter(s) in ways that can not be necessarily explained by common chemistry. From a treatise by an anonymous author: "If one cannot find out the remedy, place one similar upon another similar and healing will result."

I didn't post this little experiment as some sort of "alchemical recipe", because it isn't. Its main purpose is to encourage people to tinker and experiment in practice, especially the "armchair alchemists" among us :)
 

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I absolutely was not trying to cast doubt on the veracity of the alchemical side of the experiment you mentioned. In fact the guy I mentioned did apparently succeed with the process I mentioned in the last post.

But I think it is fair to say that in alchemy, we do use more basic chemistry to open the door for most experiments. And before alchemical things start happening, it is more mundane chemical things. But if someone has no knowledge of what should happen chemically, then they have a less chance of identifying when the alchemical things start happening.

For example if a person has no idea of what the properties of common NaCl or sea salt are, and he heats it and it mysteriously sublimates to the top of his alembic, he might think this is normal, but obviously NaCl does not sublimate. It merely melts. So the said person might have completely overlooked that he had enlivened his salts, thinking nothing of it. That was the only point I was trying to make.
 

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In fact the guy I mentioned did apparently succeed with the process I mentioned in the last post.
Can't say I'm shocked with surprise if this indeed is the case :)

For example if a person has no idea of what the properties of common NaCl or sea salt are, and he heats it and it mysteriously sublimates to the top of his alembic, he might think this is normal, but obviously NaCl does not sublimate. It merely melts. So the said person might have completely overlooked that he had enlivened his salts, thinking nothing of it. That was the only point I was trying to make.
My background in chemistry is close to non-existent, but luckily I have a few friends who have it. I am slowly catching up on Aether Physics, though :)
 

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I made some interesting looking salt formations with this method. Let me present the

"Star Regulus of Vitriol" - here the Copper Sulfate did not climb the walls at all.

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"The tree (hedgerow) of Vitriol"

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Note the gap between the hedgerow and the bottom of the flask. The crystals started to form only minutes after I put water to the vitriol again in a distance of about 1 cm above the liquid surface out of an unsaturated(!) solution.

I did not observe this in other rounds, or S&C experiments before. Usually it looks like THIS.

I am not aware of any chemistry, chymistry, or alchemy book that deals with the examination of the conditions that lead to these kinds of formations. If you happen to know anything about this, please share! Thanks!
 

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Table salt mixed into solution and allowed to dry in a windowsill slowly since I read the first thread on this post:
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This phenomenon seems to happen because of capillary action as the solution evaporates at certain temperatures. I've seen salt do all sorts of odd things, like forming a skin on the solution of my water bath (salt was added so I could get higher temperatures without getting too hot to scald my herb in the boiling flask).

The generic theory is that the liquid dries and crystalizes the salt on the walls of the container, and the dry mass absorbs more from solution, then repeat. It is most curious that there are times in the process, even with the one in the picture where a gap forms between the waterline and the crystalized "climbing" salts.

It's curious indeed and easier to notice after boiling the salts down a few times. They seem to become more loose with impurity and smaller sediment size.

This is a rather cold demonstration of the effect. I don't mean to downplay it, as it may be pointing to something greater, but you needn't solve-et-coagula seven times to see the effect. One curious note. That salt in the picture is only growing on the side of the glass facing away from the sun.
 

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Pretty pictures! Thanks for sharing.

Florius Frammel I've never seen anything like that. It is a pretty blue and the way it grows looks like a blue coral.

Dragon's Tail that is a pretty white salt. Have you tasted it? Does it sparkle? Also that is interesting that it is only growing on the side of the glass facing away from the sun.
 

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Pretty pictures! Thanks for sharing.

Florius Frammel I've never seen anything like that. It is a pretty blue and the way it grows looks like a blue coral.

Dragon's Tail that is a pretty white salt. Have you tasted it? Does it sparkle? Also that is interesting that it is only growing on the side of the glass facing away from the sun.

It's...table salt. It's exactly like table salt.
 

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I believe there is now some scientific findings that directly relate to the events as they occur in these alchemical flasks. A fourth state of water (or fifth is you count some of the other newly discovered states) called EZ Water (Exclusion Zone Water) which is basically, the tendency for water to accumulate charge when in contact with hydroscopic things (such as some of our favourite salts). Basically, it is a phase somewhere in between ice and water, where the negatively charged water particles create a voltage gradient around the hydroscopic particles.

I think you will find (And here is my generous tip my climbing-salt loving friends) that IR light will greatly contribute in the layers of EZ water being created in the water.

I could go on further but you're all adults and now that you know the name you can go and have a look yourselves. Its very interesting stuff actually. People were even successful at creating electricity using sunlight and water ALONE just using the aforesaid voltage gradient.

Happy climbing.
 

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This "EZ" water works with hydrophilic materials, not "hydroscopic". A Hydroscope is a device you use to see underwater.


 

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and most hydrophilic substances are also hygroscopic!
Ithe tendency for water to accumulate charge when in contact with hydroscopic things
Yes, hygroscopic, NOT hydroscopic. It's like the name confusion between "Buttle" and "Tuttle" in the movie Brasil... One mistaken letter can cause a world of confusion... Even more so if one is kabalistically inclined and thinks the world was created with words/letters :)
 

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Does anyone have anything to say about there salts once 'enlivened

Do they have medicinal properties? Or other uses? It was my Intention to get the 12 cell salts and enliven them with these processes and feed them to myself and my family. Good idea or bad? Curious on people's thoughts....
 

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Does anyone have anything to say about there salts once 'enlivened

Do they have medicinal properties? Or other uses? It was my Intention to get the 12 cell salts and enliven them with these processes and feed them to myself and my family. Good idea or bad? Curious on people's thoughts....


The idea of helping yourself and you family is honorable ... BUT without the full
understanding of all the Processes you could possibly do a great deal of harm.

What processes wound enliven these salts ?
 

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simply using distilled water and evaporating and liquefying repeatedly, such as Andro's demonstration, and also as shown in the book called Man, Minerals and Masters.