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. Relationship with an Alchemist... No thanks?!

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A true alchemist is precisely an androgyne and has both views, male and female, available.
This is why alchemy is all about sun/moon, male/female, agent/patient, etc.
If we take the translation as Hals Cheumia, we have two words which refer to an androgyne:
Salt, which is the neuter of and acid and an alkali; and cheumia which means fusion or melting.
The same is implied in Hatha yoga, which means literally "sun-moon joining".

And the secret of alchemy is all about love. You cannot force the QE (quintessence), mercury
(through fire, acids, etc... violence) but it appears freely when one knows it and prepares
a bridechamber for it. :)

So for those of you whom your lover does not truly know or accept, and your dearest spiritual
practices must be kept secret... doesn't sound like love to me. Come out of the closet. Be who you are.
Let relationships fall apart/away if they must. How will you find better (true/real) if you don't?
Love actually is not a compromise - that's bull.
There is compromise in relationship, but not compromising who you are!
To thine own self be true.
Love and accept your beautiful self - ALL of it. Then see what relationship prospects appear.
 
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It became obvious to me early on that if I was going to have a successful relationship with a young lady (definition changed as I aged, now "middle aged" lady is fine and dandy) the woman involved would also have to be involved with alchemy. I have had two long lasting alchemical relationships, a marriage of 33 (20 years before relationship went south with my health) years and a student>apprentice>partner over a total of about 15 years with the relationship being renegotiated at each changeover point. Prior to marriage and during I had several shorter relationships ranging from 18 hours to several months (generally not sexual). Each one involved a young lady with sexual and/or death traumas that needed clearing and they were just at the point of needing help in that. I was willing to provide such assistance with no strings attached. Not one of them was about my ego gratification in any way. Each situation was very intense and worthwhile. I had my own traumas to deal with and they were helpful in that. Each one was instant "recognition" of "she is the one for right now" and we both had it simultaneously. And each was accompanied with a strong attraction to each other with the recognition. Several were literally brought to me by a third party including a least a couple of long dead Yogis. I also had multiple deep interactions with men, not sexual, delivering information to them, helping them clear or recognize various such things and helping them understand various experiences. These also ranged from years of relationship to a few hours.

My experience is that there are a lot of people out there who want and need a relationship with a suitable Alchemist/Goddess-priest. Maybe it was that I am an intiated priest of Goddess rather than the Alchemist as such. But those two are difficult to separate and are not separate functions, just a different understanding of things. I never had to go looking as such. I had to be open to working with another and make myself available to be found. I have recognized that such a person was present at a large airport or a convention and just followed "the scent" and found them by waundering around until homing in on them. On a two week vacation I typically run into 2 or more persons who need my services as a priest/alchemist. It can range from a couple of hours with conversation and Shaktipat to much more.

I'm not sure whether anybody else will consider this helpful on the "relationship" with an alchemist question. What I get out of looking at it all seems to be that if the other person NEEDS what the alchemist/priest can offer and that it can benefit both parties, then there is a lot of attraction.
 

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A somewhat late reply to this thread, but here goes anyway.

I'm married and although my wife is not an alchemist (nor does she share any form of interest in the esoteric or the spiritual), she knows what I am and I have my lab in the futon closet in our bedroom! :) She does not have much interest in alchemy, though she will sometimes ask a question or two, but she respects this love & passion of mine, and my strict rule of "don't open the futon closet!!!" :D So I have had no problem finding love in spite of the occult sciences being a part of who I am, and this having been so for most of my life. As has been said before in this thread, I too believe it is simply a matter of finding the right women. Look for the wrong type in the wrong place and you will only leave "empty handed"; search for the type that will be right for YOU - not your ego - and in the places where such women are found, I believe one would have no greater problems than any other regular Joe.

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just a note here. I am glad my SO does not share my passion, as the art is something all the more mine. He is very helpful nonetheless, especially with procuring the equipment. I love this art deeply and my time in my lab is very sacred indeed. In the end we all face our creator alone. Maybe alchemists are ahead of the curb.

A long time ago I gave up on sharing the deepest parts of my passion with a man, since it was neverr directed in that direction anyways, because my truest love was for God. Alchemy is God's gift back to me.
 

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I'm marrying my long-time fiancee/Soror Mystica/Psychedeic Sister on 11/11/11 @ 11:11 AM, if all goes smoothly. We are going to read The Emerald Tablet, exchange Forevermore® Goblets of Red & White wine. We will stand in our living room beneath the Dragons of Mercury that flank the symbol of Solar-Lunar Coincidentia Oppositorum. Consummation scheduled foe 2:22 PM and/or 11:11 PM. Rose does not read what I read, (but she'll patiently listen if I want to read something, and she'll discuss how it fits into her preferred models). Neither does she practice laboratory procedures, but she'll usually take the resultant physical substances with alchemical import.
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?309-Soror-Mystica
 

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Great, at the same time we are doing our session here in Amsterdam. I predict this date will be used by many of the esoteric community for different experiences.

An alchemical wedding, ey:)
 

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I see an important difference in "relationship" definitions and practices here determined by the alchemy each is doing. The alchemy I'm doing requires the work with another. Our very bodies and selves are our labs and the only required apparatus. Many here speak of their relationships being outside of the alchemy. For me the relationship is essential for the alchemy. It's not that it is the only alchemy, others exist. If I am going to do this alchemy, then it requires another participant. In my memory, it is the one I have at last arrived at, the one that isn't solitary.
 

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I'm marrying my long-time fiancee/Soror Mystica/Psychedeic Sister on 11/11/11 @ 11:11 AM, if all goes smoothly. We are going to read The Emerald Tablet, exchange Forevermore® Goblets of Red & White wine. We will stand in our living room beneath the Dragons of Mercury that flank the symbol of Solar-Lunar Coincidentia Oppositorum. Consummation scheduled for 2:22 PM and/or 11:11 PM. Rose does not read what I read, (but she'll patiently listen if I want to read something, and she'll discuss how it fits into her preferred models). Neither does she practice laboratory procedures, but she'll usually take the resultant physical substances with alchemical import.
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Well, it's official, I'm legally married as of 11:11:11 AM on 11/11/11. One of the witnesses monitored ESTime on the laptop, at which point, we kissed to seal the deal. We took turns reading 'The Emerald Tablet,' took sips from two goblets of Red and White wine, then exchanged goblets. Our friend, a Notary Public, read the script of the old-fashioned marriage vows, including the "to death do us part" part. We stood at our dining room table, on which stands a statue of the Egyptian Thoth - the 'Word of God,' and I placed a model of the Qabalistic Tree of Life in front of Thoth.

Synchronistically, when I set this ritual space up, something made me go to the front door. When I opened it, there were nine Ibis birds - the bird which is Thoth - on my lawn!!! This is the 2nd time in 15 years that I've seen Ibises in my yard! I scattered oats for them.

It is a full Moon, and this marriage is symbolized alchemically by the Marriage of the Sun & Moon, Tiphereth & Yesod on the Qabalistic Tree.
Additionally, Venus and Jupiter were the two brightest objects in last night's sky besides the full Moon. Venus is the Heart chakra, Jupiter is the Genital chakra, the Yoga correspondence to the positions of Tiphereth & Yesod on the Tree.

Thanks for everyone's blessings and wishes!
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NOTE: Please notice that THIS post is numbered 222! This number is mentioned above, but consummation did not take place as scheduled at 2:22 PM, it did 'climax' at exactly 11:11 PM however! 222 is the information desk extension at the Borders Books & Music where I met my wife. She later moved to the Ft. Lauderdale store - Store # 222! My doctoral dissertation, completed in 1983 is 222 pages long. I see 222 regularly on clocks, odometers, and once I got receipt #222 at Taco Bell® and the amount was $4.44! The Meru Project has shown me that 222 is a culmination of a Qabalistic in-spiring to The Center. I've just had my mind blown - again! :D +++ AMEN +++
 
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In the context of this thread, I would like to add that I am in a 'ménage à trois' (Threesome) Alchemical Relationship with myself.

ALL three allegorical characters depicted below, represent 'parts' of myself, as the 'Triangular' Stone that is me.

Together we are / I AM: Homogeneously United, One/None & Complete.

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Personally, I don't consider any other sort of 'union' to be 'Alchemical'.

Quoth Paracelsus:

"The matter of the Philosophers’ Stone is none other than a fiery and perfect Mercury extracted by Nature and Art;
That is, the artificially prepared and true hermaphrodite Adam, and the Microcosm.
The wisest of the philosophers, Mercurius, making the same statement, called the Stone an orphan."

"The white and the red spring from one root without any intermediary.
It is dissolved by itself, it copulates by itself,
----------------------------------------------------
Marries itself and conceives in itself."

But then again, to each their own...

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No Esmeralda for me.

[Oh, well… never did meet a dame who could appreciate my interests, anyway.]

Fortunately, I can always take sanctuary in my work...

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Androgynus:

http://www.haverford.edu/psych/ddavis/p109g/internal/j_anima.html

I think that you short-change your own sense of identity. There is duality, and there is unity. Of the unity, almost nothing can be said. Simple Pure Identity, I AMness. Of duality, a great deal can been said - and done. Reluctance to acknowledge duality does not more readily actualize unity, it creates an egoic solipcism. Wholeness-Holiness-Holy Matrimony is like nuclear chemistry, i.e., fusion of nuclei in a greater whole in the Great Chain of Being. It is more inclusive than solitary Realization, and it is depicted mythically in all of the great cultures: Isis & Osiris (the Pharoah and his sister-wife), Parvati & Siva, Sita & Ram, George & Grace :) .

Ordinary relationships (between unconscious people, as Jung points out), are not marriages in a depth-psychology (or alchemical) sense. They are like the covalent electron bonds between atoms. Some bonds are clearly stronger than others, some bonds are easily broken, and some bonds (say, the triple bonds in acetylene) yield tremendous energy when broken. But outer-shell electron bonds (some atoms with missing electrons are very needy, just like people can be), can never come close to nuclear fusion for bonding strength and energy output.

I have received considerable training and analysis in the Jungian school, and the models there have been extremely helpful in my own quest for balance between the Four Elements, which translate also into the Psychological Functions: Thinking, Feeling, Intuition, Sensing. My Soror and I are both INTP Types according to the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. We extravert Intuition with this type, and introvert Thinking. Feeling is our Inferior Function, and Sensing is our tertiary function. INTPs account for no more than 3% of the population in the USA. Being in a marriage with each other elicits more Feeling (we are often regarded as being 'cold'), and contributing to intrapsychic balance. As to Sensing, I am perhaps more balanced than she is. She may get an immediate and accurate Intuition about the character of a person, but be unable to remember what he was wearing because of a weaker Sensing function. I do more with my hands (carpentry, plumbing, basic electric, gardening, painting, repairing, experimenting, etc.).

Being in close physical proximity is rudimentary. The marriage is between two conscious personalities (egos), and between each of our unconscious inner beings (Anima & Animus), AS WELL AS our intrapsychic, introverted, self-contained microcosms. There are at least Four point of Psyche interacting here. A Hierosgamos of this nature is indispensable for Individuation in most instances. The solitary path (like Ramana Maharshi), is a rare achievement and must be claimed voluntarily, not burdened by reluctance or inability to bond.

The social domain IS a dualistic domain, which is the arrangement in proximity of discrete physical bodies. The social arrangement sets the 'setting' for deeper psychic interactions, eventually moving into the 'set' of spiritual union. I still have much opportunity to sit in lotus position, or practice 8-Limbed Yoga, or wear my Museum Replica® cowled monastic robe if I want to Realize that archetype for a while, yet I prefer the best of both worlds. Otherwise, I could have lived as a Benedictine, Trappist, or Capuchin Reformed Franciscan monk - all of which I was invited to join. I chose not to abandon the company of women. I'm certain that even if I was not heterosexual, I would still not have taken up a life of poverty, chastity, and obedience in a monastery of men. But, as you say, "To each his own."

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The solitary path [...] must be claimed voluntarily, not burdened by reluctance or inability to bond.

I completely and utterly disagree. There is nothing voluntary or claimed about one's NEEDED PATH (as opposed to 'surrogate' paths, too many to list)

You either fight it and subsequently drown the resulting agony in self-denial, OR you surrender to it.

And in surrendering, there is NO burden. Only release.

I would still not have taken up a life of poverty, chastity, and obedience in a monastery of men.

Neither have I done such a thing, although the expression of my creative potential seems to have moved on by itself from sexual to other avenues.

This did not happen by a 'voluntary' path decision, it simply happened gradually and autonomously (and I didn't fight it), and not before I had already gone to all the sexual (and other) extremes I needed to experience in my younger years. Self-denial was never an issue for me.

Neither do I live a life of poverty... And certainly not self-imposed... I live quite comfortably, although I am not even remotely 'wealthy'. My needs are simple and not many, but they are met.

Obedience... The only thing I 'obey' is my own Inner Voice.

I also do not feel the need for someone to form a union of the kind you are talking about in your detailed marriage posts.

I have the functions of (universal) 'Mind/Inner Voice' (see upper character in the image I posted), 'Expression' and 'Stimulus', ALL within myself.

I feel quite complete by myself in this regard, and my Inner Polarities (see the two lower - kissing - characters in the image I have posted) are quite balanced, although there is always room for improvement :)

These days I really have little to no interest in most people, except the extremely ones who 'make the cut', so to speak.

Not because I am a elitist snob (but who knows, maybe I am :)) - but I only go where I feel is NEEDED, and where 'Energy Support' is clearly present.

Otherwise, I would be generating useless 'time' for myself, not to mention supporting UN-needed and no-longer-supported reality designs, and being consequentially drained by lack of energy support.

Neither am I interested in theories/speculations, ceremonies/rituals, wordplay/number-play, etc... and I also (almost) don't feel the need to read anymore.... (I used to 'devour' books... funny how things 'change' if you let them :))

Now I have my own direct 'Instant Download' broadband connection, for everything I need to know, WHEN I need to know it.

However, I am not a complete Hermit - but I am no social butterfly either (not anymore, anyway).

I live with a small group of friends, with whom I work and share.

We DO have strong bonds, friendly, fraternal and emotionally open, but also allowing for lots of personal space and individuality.

Something quite similar to Dev's LAB Concept. Works for me.

And all of the above had nothing to do with 'voluntary path choices'.

My road has risen up to meet me.

And I simply let it.

But, as you say, "To each his own."

Exactly.
 

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Whatever *Shrugs* It's good that you sense your own arrogance ("elitist snob"). Humility is the obvious hallmark of spiritual maturity. Allowing others, or an other, to do things for me, has been something that took decades to learn. I have always been self-sufficient, but now I am 'self+other sufficient.' I don't know why you evidence such an appetite for "energy support." That need does not support your claim for being "quite complete by myself," in fact it is contradictory.

However, there ARE 'psychic vampyres,' because I was married to one for over a decade. She was Borderline Personality Disordered, and was an emotional 'black hole in space,' that could never be filled or satisfied. This disorder was suggested by the late psychiatrist, author, and exorcist, M. Scott Peck as being as close to a clinical diagnosis for evil as one could come (in People of the Lie). With no consistent sense of selfhood, such 'changelings' are chameilian-like. They take on the characteristics of those whom they associate with, and make unrealistic demands for 'energy,' whether its attention, emotions, finances, favors, or goods. I seem to be a Borderline magnet. :( BPD affects females over males 4:1, and are the most dreaded of psychotherapy clients. The last one I had wanted to move into my consulting room, in my home, or else she threatened to kill herself! Confrontation is the only way to deal, else you exaccerbate their abandonment issues and they may wax dangerous (like Glenn Close's BPD character in the film Fatal Attraction.In retrospect, several of my girlfriends have most likely been Borderline, including the girl with whom I fell in love for the first time. She is unable to bond with human beings in any normal way, which is typical, and lives off of her 'Johns' - a prostitute and pimp since the 80s. Perhaps you have found yourself in the midst of energy-draining beings as I have, and have become overly pre-occupied with protecting yourself from further harm. Close proximity is toxic, like Gamma radiation. Avoidance is best. Just some speculation.
 

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It's good that you sense your own arrogance ("elitist snob").

Correction: It's good that I sense my own sense of humor, even if others can't :D

I make myself laugh quite often :)

Humility is the obvious hallmark of spiritual maturity.

The terms are too problematic to address. Also, the 'humility' of a spiritually advanced individual may come across as arrogance to the UN-initiated, etc...

Allowing others, or an other, to do things for me, has been something that took decades to learn.

Point being? Sharing and energy exchange do not contradict self-sufficiency... (If that's what you mean)

I don't know why you evidence such an appetite for "energy support."

Indeed you don't :)

You'll know it when/if you feel it.

Some reality-designs receive energy support (based on 'WHAT IS NEEDED'), while others don't (or not as much).

One would need a good set of shamanic antennas to discern this. (Genuine psychics - rare - can make a good living out of this :))

That need does not support your claim for being "quite complete by myself"

See above: Self-Sufficiency 'vs.' Sharing & Energy-Exchange. It's a difficult concept to digest for most.

That's why it may appear to be 'contradictory', especially to those who are more of the 'self+other sufficient' design.

in fact it is contradictory.

No it isn't :)

Perhaps you have found yourself in the midst of energy-draining beings as I have, and have become overly pre-occupied with protecting yourself from further harm.

You're right, I have been there - but now it's a different story. The vampires haven't been an issue for years.

I just got much more selective/discerning. This can be interpreted in many ways, none of which I care to hear about. It simply works very well for me.

Just like you feel that your path works for you (provided it's not a 'surrogate path', which I hope it isn't)

All this being said... Words just mean so much less to me nowadays...

Meanwhile, enjoy your new marriage...

Cheers!
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PS: As always, for those less trained or less naturally predisposed to sense it, 'time' is the eventual 'aftermath witness' about what did and did not receive this 'energy support'.

See 'Southpark' - the episode with 'Captain Hindsight' :)
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You'll know it when/if you feel it.

Some reality-designs receive energy support (based on 'WHAT IS NEEDED'), while others don't (or not as much).

One would need a good set of shamanic antennas to discern this. (Genuine psychics - rare - can make a good living out of this :))

Hello Androgynus :) Would you mind expanding on this a little, I'm intrigued but a little confused as well.
 

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Would you mind expanding on this a little.

I don't mind expanding 1x1, but not publicly, not here.

I have already said enough to trigger the attention of whoever is NEEDED to have this extra info, while simultaneously shaking off those who don't need it at this point.

Therefore, being the 'arrogant and elitist snob' :)D) that I am, I will only go deeper into this topic with a 'select' few :cool:.
 

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Whatever *Shrugs* It's good that you sense your own arrogance ("elitist snob"). Humility is the obvious hallmark of spiritual maturity. Allowing others, or an other, to do things for me, has been something that took decades to learn. I have always been self-sufficient, but now I am 'self+other sufficient.' I don't know why you evidence such an appetite for "energy support." That need does not support your claim for being "quite complete by myself," in fact it is contradictory.

However, there ARE 'psychic vampyres,' because I was married to one for over a decade. She was Borderline Personality Disordered, and was an emotional 'black hole in space,' that could never be filled or satisfied. This disorder was suggested by the late psychiatrist, author, and exorcist, M. Scott Peck as being as close to a clinical diagnosis for evil as one could come (in People of the Lie). With no consistent sense of selfhood, such 'changelings' are chameilian-like. They take on the characteristics of those whom they associate with, and make unrealistic demands for 'energy,' whether its attention, emotions, finances, favors, or goods. I seem to be a Borderline magnet. :( BPD affects females over males 4:1, and are the most dreaded of psychotherapy clients. The last one I had wanted to move into my consulting room, in my home, or else she threatened to kill herself! Confrontation is the only way to deal, else you exaccerbate their abandonment issues and they may wax dangerous (like Glenn Close's BPD character in the film Fatal Attraction.In retrospect, several of my girlfriends have most likely been Borderline, including the girl with whom I fell in love for the first time. She is unable to bond with human beings in any normal way, which is typical, and lives off of her 'Johns' - a prostitute and pimp since the 80s. Perhaps you have found yourself in the midst of energy-draining beings as I have, and have become overly pre-occupied with protecting yourself from further harm. Close proximity is toxic, like Gamma radiation. Avoidance is best. Just some speculation.

Hi Markosthe Gnostic,

Person's with BPD can be a real problem. They are truely troubled people. The problem is how to protect one's self. I have worked (spiritually) with a few ladies along the way damaged in this way. These situations always seem to end with blame and hard feelings. I can't say for sure that I have ever been able to genuinely help. They come, they receive whatever needed (usually NOT what is wanted) which brought them my way and almost always immediately after that there is a blowup and goodbye. Throw in some DID for spice and it's as unstable as can be. I don't know how common it is but one sufferer of BPD with DID I know had/(has?) an outright psychotic alter.

These people can be very difficult to help.
 

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Hi Markosthe Gnostic,

Person's with BPD can be a real problem. They are truely troubled people. The problem is how to protect one's self. I have worked (spiritually) with a few ladies along the way damaged in this way. These situations always seem to end with blame and hard feelings. I can't say for sure that I have ever been able to genuinely help. They come, they receive whatever needed (usually NOT what is wanted) which brought them my way and almost always immediately after that there is a blowup and goodbye. Throw in some DID for spice and it's as unstable as can be. I don't know how common it is but one sufferer of BPD with DID I know had/(has?) an outright psychotic alter.

These people can be very difficult to help.

Thanks for the reification. My ex was Alcohol Dependent on Axis I, BPD on Axis II (with Antisocial and Sadistic features)! I was embarrassed, long after the initial pain of realization and divorce has subsided. I had been intentionally deceived, used and abused. When we married, I left a state where I could have been licensed at the Doctoral level (instead of at the Masters level, where I have been), and a I had been offered position with the county Dept. of Health (which meant gov't benefits), the immensity of my poor decision was crippling. I was a new grad student, and you know the saying: 'If I knew then, what I know now...'

Now, the adage about making lemonaid out of lemons, has something of an alchemical nature about it in the sense of turning something that is seemingly worthless into something valuable. I was never interested in wealth or status (although I didn't realized how important it was to save for retirement when I was young, though the 'boon' of inheritance from an aunt, helped tremendously). I am in this place for a purpose, and I have helped alleviate the suffering of many adolescents, or helped them to clarify the confusion of their life-stage, for the past quarter century. I have seen tragedies as well. I adopted the alchemical idiom of alchemy for private psychotherapy, as elucidated by the Jungian Edward Edinger.

Like the Ouroboros, life is coming full-circle on many levels. Hopefully, however, I'll be able to leave the metaphysical cycle this time around. :)

Thanks for responding!
 

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Thanks for the reification. My ex was Alcohol Dependent on Axis I, BPD on Axis II (with Antisocial and Sadistic features)! I was embarrassed, long after the initial pain of realization and divorce has subsided. I had been intentionally deceived, used and abused. When we married, I left a state where I could have been licensed at the Doctoral level (instead of at the Masters level, where I have been), and a I had been offered position with the county Dept. of Health (which meant gov't benefits), the immensity of my poor decision was crippling. I was a new grad student, and you know the saying: 'If I knew then, what I know now...'

Now, the adage about making lemonaid out of lemons, has something of an alchemical nature about it in the sense of turning something that is seemingly worthless into something valuable. I was never interested in wealth or status (although I didn't realized how important it was to save for retirement when I was young, though the 'boon' of inheritance from an aunt, helped tremendously). I am in this place for a purpose, and I have helped alleviate the suffering of many adolescents, or helped them to clarify the confusion of their life-stage, for the past quarter century. I have seen tragedies as well. I adopted the alchemical idiom of alchemy for private psychotherapy, as elucidated by the Jungian Edward Edinger.

Like the Ouroboros, life is coming full-circle on many levels. Hopefully, however, I'll be able to leave the metaphysical cycle this time around. :)

Thanks for responding!

Hi MarkostheGnostic,

Alcohol and other drug dependence adds a whole new level of piled higher and deeper. It's quite clear to me that I can't work with those with such dependencies and that they interfer with making real changes. Addicts lie to themselves in certain ways and protect it. In the practice of "Know Thy Self" they are self blinded and intent on remaining so.

Even back in college I refused to date girls who smoked tobacco or were clearly headed for drug dependency or alcoholism. I helped one doc develope a predictive scale of who will get into trouble on opioid pain meds (oxycodone, morphine, fentanyl mostly). They already use the info that 85% of those who get in trouble on prescribed opioids are already dependent on alcohol and/or tobacco. The additional factors I included are attitudes and beliefs about opioids and pain. I also developed a blood serum level time and immediate release opioid simulator that allows one to simulate the persons response and approximate the serum halflife for that person. Also, I have developed a medication taper program which generates a variable interval taper that breaks up the conditioning inherent in taking meds of any kind on a strict schedule. With it only those who can't take a med on a schedule have difficulty withdrawing.

Cyles tend to repeat at higher and higher levels, larger and larger magnitudes. The catch is the variations. So one in one schema. one takes "knowledge" and "understanding" and synthesizes the third position, "wisdom". Then one can take that "wisdom1" repeat it with variations for "wisdom2" and then perform the sythesis for "metawisdom1". This can be carried another step by taking "metawisdom1", "metawisdom2" and "metawisdom3" and synthecizing "hypermetawisdom1" to another dimension. When there are two of these, then the third can be synthecized and then the forth synthecized, a second level abstraction. These sequences continue growing and evolving the being. Doing an Alchemical Union with two seperate nodes of consciousness, increases the base and stability of the synthecized "third being" which is not separate but rather the combined being as in Shiva UNION Shakti = Brahma. Shiva UNION Shakti = Brahma is the macrocosm whereas what we mere humans do is the microcosm.


As androgynus said
"Neither am I interested in theories/speculations, ceremonies/rituals, wordplay/number-play, etc... and I also (almost) don't feel the need to read anymore.... (I used to 'devour' books... funny how things 'change' if you let them :))

Now I have my own direct 'Instant Download' broadband connection, for everything I need to know, WHEN I need to know it."

It is an important first step when this is attained. It is not the last step however, unless one doesn't choose to start the next sequence. That of course is purely a matter of choice, or maybe an inspired choice. I have to go with the inspired choice myself because it isn't a normal life choice. Good luck and have fun.
 

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Thesis-Atithesis-Sythesis: GWF Hegel

I realized long ago that next to the Oedipal-Electra dynamics underlying the choice of partner in many instances (those with phenomenologically Freudian personalities), there were two additional choices:
1) narcissistic self-mirroring (seeking a partner who reflects one's most idealized self-image, and thus is really a projection screen for mutual projections) and
2) a union of opposites.
My ex-wife served the first choice, but of course, when my projects were eventually withdrawn, and I saw who was really beneath them, I realized that she was anything but my idealized self (but rather, a negative feminine aspect of my own Jungian Anima). Over the last 15 years, my Soror Mystica has proven to reflect my own highest compassion-based ethical values, curiosity, passion to know, and other core values. Yet, on the surface of things, very different along many avenues, and not what I was seeking. Apparently, I was not was she was seeking either, but it has worked out. My egoic desires for what I was seeking, have withered in humility, and I am a better person for having engaged in this relationship.
 

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In reading all that has been placed here, I want to simply add my voice to the multitude. I've been studying magic in differing forms for years and I can agree that it's exceedingly hard to find people of like minds who would be open to a relationship, however one person I asked about this previously mentioned something to me that I've found to be very logical and very assuring since then. She said "Do whatever you are most passionate in, find places to share it, and the person you are to be with will simply come to you when your heart is open to the experience." and when I encountered that I could only agree that it was true. I'm still single, and while life happens and things fall out exactly in the pattern that they happen to do so, it doesn't mean that there aren't people who are of like minds and interested in us as we are and for being students of the paths that we have set for ourselves. It just makes it harder than most of the 'Barbie Blondes' of the world, in both genders, to locate and connect with those whom we could create a harmonious relationship with. As long as you know yourself enough to know why you ache for the partner in all things, you're aware that you're not going outside your home ( or comfort zone) to seek them out actively, and that all things come to you in the proper time and sequence, then I see nothing wrong with it as it is. If your greatest companion shares your pillows at night, or just so happens to be your Highest Self, so be it. Just embrace that which you have in the now and don't give up on the path you've set yourself on. Climbing to the top can be a lonely road in every discipline that we are aware of. No one can do the work for you, but it can be made less lonely to have someone to share the road with. Self awareness is the greatest asset no matter which direction you take this in.

Outside of my thoughts on the matter, I really like all that Solomon Levi's been saying in these posts and the photos of the wedding from Markos (I think) were wonderful to see. Thank you all for opening up your selves on this subject.
 

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I'm surprised about this thread. Being myself male, my experience has mostly been the opposite.

I do consider myself to be quite weird, I also know that most people perceive me as weird too.
I know that I'm not a Danny Devito, but I'm neither a Brad Pitt (not ugly faced, but neither a fashion model).
It has always been an usual experience for me that women that would be considered normal get obsessed with me and it's me the one who had to say "no"... and since I got involved with Hermetic studies, the experience of having stalkers obsessed with me became more and more usual, quite often in a way that seemed surreal. A lot of them very pretty women and a few of them not really too pretty.
Finding girls who were trying to get me has never been a problem for me (in most cases, girls who probably have no interest at all in alchemy or hermeticism)... even though I have the tendency to say "no" 100% of the times to them... and I prefer to be myself the one who says "I like you" for the first time instead of hearing that from someone.

I kinda know why this happened: I think it's because a lot of women try to get the man who seems to be impossible to get and mostly take it as a personal challenge... and then they manage to get obsessed with the challenge (to be honest, I don't think they were so interested in me, but mostly obsessed with the fact that I have said "no"... or that I had the attitude that showed that I was going to reject the offer).

Also, if I have to talk about friends, most of my friends are female... I find it quite hard to have male friends, even though I have a few male friends (in short: most males make me feel bored to death). The "Macho Culture" makes me wanna puke actually.

Also, I never even kissed a girl who didn't become my girlfriend later and, except once, never had a relationship that lasted less than a year (the only exception would be a relationship that lasted some 6 months). This also means that I never had "casual sex" in my whole life and I'm not really sorry about that.
Several of the women who were my girlfriends, became my closest friends when we broke up (to put it in numbers, four of my very closest friends have been my girlfriends in the past)... So I would say that I had several relationships that were very good even if they had to finish because of different reasons.

And I always had the golden rule of NEVER dating someone interested in hermeticism or alchemy. For some reason I didn't want that. And my interest in hermeticism and alchemy has never been a problem in my love life when I had girlfriends who were not interested on these subjects, but could respect the fact that I was.

And then my current girlfriend, who has been with me for almost 2 years by now... she managed to tear apart my "golden rule" of not having relationships with alchemists. The very first time she mentioned that she was indeed interested in alchemy was maybe some 3 or 4 months AFTER we were already a couple... and I found out that even though I was more educated than her about hermeticism as a whole, she knew by far more than me about practical (laboratory/external) alchemy. And it was mostly her the one who encouraged me to set up my own lab.
I'm not sorry at all about the fact that she is indeed an alchemist.
And even though we sometimes talk about alchemy, during an "average" day we mostly don't talk about that, but about other subjects.
When we discuss about something, quite often she uses alchemical metaphores to find a solution... and I like that... such thing helps me to think better.
(I also have the intention of getting married to her in the future. I do absolutely love her).

Also, I know several couples in which the male is an alchemist and the female has less than zero interest on the subject, but has no problems with the interests of her partner.
I know a few couples in which both the male and the female have an interest in alchemy or are alchemists.
I can't really remember a couple in which the female was an alchemist and the male had no interest on the subject (I'm not saying that such thing isn't possible, I simply don't know any couple like that).
 

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Thanks for the mention Dance of Rebirth. :)
Beautiful name choice.

To update and share my perspectives on relationship, I agree about being oneself and someone will arrive.
But, yes, we should also be open to what arrives not being a someone as we generally think.
I love relationships. It's been, shall I say "educational" that I haven't had one for years after having them
all my life. But what has been in the absence of a female lover is a greater awareness of spirit and a
relationship with my Muse/Genius, etc. This isn't my choice - it's just what is.

I think relationship serves as a catalyst. Relationship by definition (or by seeing) is a form of self-understanding,
self-definition. The forms that relationship manifests in are proportional/reflective to one's self-definition.
As your knowing yourself defines you in broader and broader spheres, so a reflective relationship will be
with fewer and fewer rules, boundaries and limitations. If that should manifest as one person, that person will
be very undefined and reflect aspects of all persons, as you are learning to reflect the all and exclude nothing.

I wonder how many universal people are out there. I wonder what such a relationship can be like. I imagine
it won't be much different if there is a partner or not. I imagine maybe I already have this.
Wow. I feel love-stoned. :) Thanks Solomon-Muse! :)