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Prepping: The Advantages of a Fallen World

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I've watched all seasons of The Walking Dead. First few seasons were good but then it went down hill. However the last season had an interesting aspect. Basically there are 10 seasons of people trying to survive a fallen world where society is broken. People band together and form small communities to survive.

In the 11th season the main protagonists find a "new" community that has managed to wall themselves in to such a degree and to such a magnitude that it's almost like a small city. In this community called The Commonwealth society has re-emerged. Everything is as it used to be. They even have money, jobs, politicians, journalists, police and so on.

What I find interesting is that after having watched 10 seasons of these people trying to make it in a fallen world, once they reach The Commonwealth the society they find themselves in is NOT worth having. One character even says "now I have to worry about money again".

I have always loved Zombie films/series like Walking Dead, Last of Us, Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, I am Legend etc. The reason I love them is because I enjoy watching people prep and build a fortress and a community in order to survive. I find it inspiring in my own prepping.

The aim in all these dramas is that they, deep down, want to re-build what was lost and even if there are a lot of things in our society that is good... it seems that why would we want to rebuild it?

Isn't it better with small communities without money and without "jobs", where the only job is to create food, warmth and family?

Sebastian Junger is an author who wrote, amongst other things, Tribe. Below are some of his quotes:

When you're scared, you're still hanging on to life. When you're ready to die, you let it go. A sort of emptying out occurs, a giving up on the world that seems oddly familiar even if you've never done it before.

Humans don’t mind hardship, in fact they thrive on it; what they mind is not feeling necessary. Modern society has perfected the art of making people not feel necessary. It's time for that to end.

Human beings need three basic things in order to be content: they need to feel competent at what they do; they need to feel authentic in their lives; and they need to feel connected to others. These values are considered "intrinsic" to human happiness and far outweigh "extrinsic" values such as beauty, money and status.”

What would you risk dying for—and for whom—is perhaps the most profound question a person can ask themselves. The vast majority of people in modern society are able to pass their whole lives without ever having to answer that question, which is both an enormous blessing and a significant loss.

How do you become an adult in a society that doesn’t ask for sacrifice? How do you become a man in a world that doesn’t require courage?

When people are actively engaged in a cause their lives have more purpose... with a resulting improvement in mental health.



It's comfortable as it is now, and it will be annoying to have to adapt to a fallen world... however, it might be the best thing to ever happen to the human race...

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I've been studying about anarcho primitivism and I think the idea of surviving off nature in small villages, and I think the only way to start this is with a global catastrophe.
 

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You could be correct. In any case studying anarchism is essential prepping no matter what.

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Everything is now design against freedom, and ''primitivism'' or autharcy.
It is harder than ever to be off grid.

Alchemy is a big part of the solution for freedom and autonomy.
 

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Everything is now design against freedom, and ''primitivism'' or autharcy.
It is harder than ever to be off grid.

Yes, now it is... but not when the world falls. In such a situation only those prepared will survive.

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Yup.. we have been part of building an off-grid community over the last year and a half and you would not believe the push back from highly organized local slanderers who have an ear in with the politicians and media outlets. So we are being misrepresented publicly and the government will likely try to act on the slander. Luckily we also are organized but man do they want us to fail. Truth does not seem to exist within the public sphere very much anymore. I think that someone or some group in our area does not like the idea of an independent community that can fend for itself with high globalist non-compliance rates. I am sure our situation is not unique by any means.

Picture you have a group-owned property in the form of an association of members;
You have 5 small (less than 500 sq ft) buildings on 500 acres. (unorganized, no town-ship to issue or enforce building codes.)
The village down the road is causing an uproar (lead by about 5-10 people) to have you shut down over environmental concerns meanwhile these people live in lakefront houses, some of which are mansions and have destroyed their lake with illegal septic systems and poor property management practices, fuel spills, old equipment lying around etc and they are trying to paint us off-griders as the problem with 3-5 cabins in the woods 1KM away from any lake shore, with our own by-laws that we must use composting or incinerating toilets and a building code acceptable grey water leeching pit. We go to their local meetings and they don't really want answers to their concerns just more and more and more slander. It is quite discouraging.
 

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Everything is now design against freedom, and ''primitivism'' or autharcy.
It is harder than ever to be off grid.

Alchemy is a big part of the solution for freedom and autonomy.

I agree with everything you said and was wondering about your last line about alchemy:
Are you implying that we can raise vibration to the point where the symptoms of a sick time do not impose upon us anymore in one way or another?
Even in the blackest of night a candle still gives its light is what comes to mind.
I have felt that all these concerns would not matter once one reaches a certain point on the path due to the new reality of the alchemist.

I would love to hear your input if you are willing!
 

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No, it's more about health care, healing, gardening (fertile earth and accelerated growth of plants), sources of energy, materials as simple as soap, help of fluidic capacitors (as used in Franz Bardon) in magic for everyday life (radionics also). For example using a radionic wave carrying the signature of a predator in a specific area to protect crops from rabbits etc).
 

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Yup.. we have been part of building an off-grid community over the last year and a half and you would not believe the push back from highly organized local slanderers who have an ear in with the politicians and media outlets. So we are being misrepresented publicly and the government will likely try to act on the slander. Luckily we also are organized but man do they want us to fail. Truth does not seem to exist within the public sphere very much anymore. I think that someone or some group in our area does not like the idea of an independent community that can fend for itself with high globalist non-compliance rates. I am sure our situation is not unique by any means.

Picture you have a group-owned property in the form of an association of members;
You have 5 small (less than 500 sq ft) buildings on 500 acres. (unorganized, no town-ship to issue or enforce building codes.)
The village down the road is causing an uproar (lead by about 5-10 people) to have you shut down over environmental concerns meanwhile these people live in lakefront houses, some of which are mansions and have destroyed their lake with illegal septic systems and poor property management practices, fuel spills, old equipment lying around etc and they are trying to paint us off-griders as the problem with 3-5 cabins in the woods 1KM away from any lake shore, with our own by-laws that we must use composting or incinerating toilets and a building code acceptable grey water leeching pit. We go to their local meetings and they don't really want answers to their concerns just more and more and more slander. It is quite discouraging.

I bet those people are weak. Make an offer they can’t refuse.

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I was talking to this dude about prepping and a possible dystopian future like Walking Dead. Half-way through the conversation I understood that the dude thought such a world was horrible and bad... I always saw it as wonderful. No governments, no society... the weak die, the strong survive... and the greatest power is community, loyalty and resolve... those traits will make you thrive in such a world.

In this world what makes you thrive? Greed. Pettiness. Weakness. Jealousy. Snitching. Obeying.

Am I wrong?
 

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Everything is now design against freedom, and ''primitivism'' or autharcy.
It is harder than ever to be off grid.

Alchemy is a big part of the solution for freedom and autonomy.

I do agree. Part of preparation!

Yes, now it is... but not when the world falls. In such a situation only those prepared will survive.

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Preparation is everything.

I was talking to this dude about prepping and a possible dystopian future like Walking Dead. Half-way through the conversation I understood that the dude thought such a world was horrible and bad... I always saw it as wonderful. No governments, no society... the weak die, the strong survive... and the greatest power is community, loyalty and resolve... those traits will make you thrive in such a world.

In this world what makes you thrive? Greed. Pettiness. Weakness. Jealousy. Snitching. Obeying.

Am I wrong?
Middle term?
Communities will tend to organize themselves in case of a fall. And on those cases, power tends to follow violence. Strong live and weak die can become fastly a very "totalitarian" way of living. I don't believe in big cities. I believe in smaller groups working toward common goals. Groups with different kinds of people, different gifs and skills. But I mostly agree with you regarding "basic" know-how. Simple things like how to grow food, keep animals, etc.
Alchemists, probably and by default, will bring things to the table that most people don't care... because they tend to follow nature.

C.
 

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Yes, and those often claiming that we need the State to stop violence and totalitarianism doesn't seem to understand we have those problems NOW... at least in an anarchic world "the people" can do something about it... anyone that needs the State or the Law to keep themselves in check are nothing but a psychopath... and it might sound a bit harsh to say so, but in an anarchic world such people would probably be "put down" as sane "normal" people are not interested in anything else than living a life in peace with your loved ones...
 

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Yes, and those often claiming that we need the State to stop violence and totalitarianism doesn't seem to understand we have those problems NOW... at least in an anarchic world "the people" can do something about it... anyone that needs the State or the Law to keep themselves in check are nothing but a ... and it might sound a bit harsh to say so, but in an anarchic world such people would probably be "put down" as sane "normal" people are not interested in anything else than living a life in peace with your loved ones...

Totally.
But we live in a very controlled construct where people's minds were raised to have fear, to follow rules (no matter how stupid those can be), and do what they are told. And if you go out of line... you are the crazy one! All is inverted, and yes, it will fall. I believe until 2030 people's lives are going to change a lot. The "pandemic" help people realize good things too. Here in PT there was a massive exodus to small villages. Many are learning that they can learn how to live in a more harmonic way without all the superfluous things presented in the cities.

Who is the psychopath?

 

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Off-topic moved from here.

A little side note, take a look at tellurium. You can currently buy it for about $100usd a kilo, but it's elementally rarer than gold and is considered an important resource for technology development into the future. Couldn't hurt to have a couple kilo of that lying around for a rainy 2040. I've got about 6kg myself but I intend to get more.
Hey Mr. Mixer

You may be better to have 1000 cans of beans than 1000kg of Tellurium as the tech
industry is going down.

Other possibly good investments could be things like .....

Rural land for farming food .... animals, fruit, veg, off grid power supplies, etc.

Basic medical supplies.

Survival gear as in hunting and fishing.

The greedy will stay locked into the system for too long .... they will be very sorry.

Buy things that the system will not be able to control.

Survival supplies for when (not IF.... but WHEN) the SHTF.
 

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I got something of everything. The only think I lack are guns (working on that).

The beauty of BTC is that it is value I can store with my mind. That’s based as fuck.
 

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I got something of everything.
Something of everything is great to have !!!!!
The only think I lack are guns (working on that).
Guns are also great to have and lots of ammo ..... for Hunting, etc, etc.

Ammo can be a good trade item if you have a large surplus.
 

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Where I live guns and ammo takes years to get hold of, work in progress.
 

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I was talking to this dude about prepping and a possible dystopian future like Walking Dead. Half-way through the conversation I understood that the dude thought such a world was horrible and bad... I always saw it as wonderful. No governments, no society... the weak die, the strong survive... and the greatest power is community, loyalty and resolve... those traits will make you thrive in such a world.

In this world what makes you thrive? Greed. Pettiness. Weakness. Jealousy. Snitching. Obeying.

Am I wrong?

Your dystopian world would be a poor one imo. The physically strongest can tend to be emotionless brutes, psychopaths and idiots who prevail via strength rather than brain. Such a world can't imo survive. The brutes will just end up fighting each other. The future will always require a good mix of people, strong and weak
 

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I was mainly talking about mentally strong. Physical strength is nothing if the mind is weak.
 

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Hopefully we have a few that embody strength and wisdom.
 

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I did a podcast on preppin' recently... In short the message of that podcast was: if your mind is not prepared it doesn't matter how prepared you are in terms of food and energy.

Another aspect I brought up that I would like to bring into the forum is the strategy or the Plan ABC?

Any government or any army have strategies laid out in advance. As an example:

Essential Steps to Manage a Cyber Attack

1. Mobilize Your Cybersecurity Response Team
2. Identify the Type of Attack
3. Contain the Breach
4. Assess and Repair the Damage
5. Report the Attack
6. Communicate with Customers
7. Learn from the Experience

Source

Here are some quick AI suggestions:

A well-formulated emergency plan is paramount. This plan should clearly outline evacuation routes, meeting points, and communication methods. For instance, families should know the quickest and safest routes out of their homes and have a predetermined location where they can reunite if separated.

In terms of communication, it's crucial to discuss how everyone will stay in contact during an emergency given the potential for normal communication channels to be disrupted. A battery-powered or hand-crank radio can be beneficial to stay informed about updates from local authorities. Moreover, having an emergency supply kit is also essential. This kit should include necessities such as non-perishable food, water, first-aid supplies, important documents, medication, and hygiene products. For example, families should have at least one gallon of water per person per day for at least three days.

Finally, ensuring each family member is aware of these strategies and trained in basic emergency responses, such as administering first-aid or using a fire extinguisher, can make a significant difference when time and clear thinking are of the essence.

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I'm currently working on a detailed action plan, or many plans... as it is impossible to know what "will happen"... one has got to have Plan A, B and C.

There needs to be an economic plan. A food plan. An energy plan. A weapons plan. An ally plan (who are in on the plans). And so on and so forth.

Get to work!

 

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If your idea of prepping was at least realistic then maybe it would be an option. The problem at the moment isn't those who've been vaxed, that's finished and you can wave goodbye to those. The problem is, they are taking steps legally to mandate the rest of us.
Those who won't comply and try to hide will be hunted down like a dog.
I already know what I'm going to do and it doesn't involve sat in a wood under a tarp hoping they won't find me. I'm going to make a stand.

I'll tell you the future. In the UK at the moment there is the Covid enquiry. That inquiry has nothing to do with what went wrong or nothing to do with if the vaccine was safe.
The enquiry is designed to show the public that they didn't do enough. This is preperation for mandate which will be introduced to the public in late 2024 early 2025 after the October outbreak of Sars3 in 2024, which will be classed as a world threat.
The mandate will be introduced worldwide by April 2025. Arrests will be made and the public forcibly vaccined all over the world.
That's how its going to be. If that doesn't happen I'll never show up here again. The last time I said something like this I had men in suits and uniforms pointing guns at me.
 

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Why not realistic? Read the entire thread.
 

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We all know there are "problems", present ones as as well as possible/probable ones.

How about we curb the doom prophecies and fearmongering and talk some actual solutions.

Yes, there's lots of nasty stuff happening in the world. No one is doubting that. Some areas are much (relatively) "worse" than others.

Doomsayers are, in a sense, always wright, because "doom" is always here or just around the corner. And "times" are always what they are.

How are we dealing with all that in practice?

Can we collaborate here, on some sort of equal footing, and discuss some actual fucking solutions?

Awani suggested some action strategies, part of which he's already implementing.

I myself left the "European mainland" and moved to an island, where I live in a small village with my small "tribe", and maybe we'll be joined by other like minded people here (the few who have visited us so far basically just want to leave their current areas and relocate here to this island :)).

So relocation is one possible solution, especially if one lives in a crowded metropolitan area or in a country with rigid "enforcement" mentalities. Where I'm at right now, even at the peak of the "mandates", there was close to zero compliance or enforcement. The business owners did not ask anyone for tests or jab certificates and the police here are not too keen on getting involved. Island mentality combined with a good dose of the "mañana" attitude. And good luck implementing "15 minute cities" on steep-sloped mountainous volcanic island archipelagos.

We should keep in mind that the "them" will always prefer to go for the low-hanging fruit. City dwellers are easy targets. Do the opposite. Go to a place that seems to have been "forgotten by time". Don't be afraid to give up some perceived "comforts". A simple life is so much better. A small piece of land is great, with some chickens for fresh eggs and food you grow yourselves. And for practicing Alchemy away from prying eyes, it's even better.

A place with its own water source is ideal. If you don't have a well, there are technologies that can condense large amounts of water out of aerial humidity, and you can power this tech with solar, especially if you're at a good latitude for this.

Maintain honest and cooperative relationships with your neighbors. Don't be a stranger to those who live in the houses/plots close to you. Offer help with anything you can help with. If you live in an apartment building, don't be a stranger to the others in the same building.

There's so much we can already do. And especially remember that we all (allegedly) die at some point, one way or another :)
 

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Your island is still presumably part of a country and as such subject to the laws of that country. You say you have police there. Well ultimately they report to their masters and when the time comes they will be required to adopt the vaccine passes and digital ID's that are undoubtedly coming. People who don't comply with the mandates will be cut off from society. Won't be able to bank, purchase things, buy petrol etc etc. Life will become extremely difficult. What about taxes? Are you planning to not pay the taxes your country / gov't demands of you? What happens if you need the digital ID and vax pass to be able to pay those taxes? You'll become a criminal for not paying taxes.

The mentality of communities supporting themselves I wholeheartedly agree with and I've also been a prepper for the past 15 years or so. So growing my own vegetables is no problem, making my own bread easy and so on. Solar panels are very expensive and no-one will be able to buy them if they don't have the "mark" when it comes. So you'll need to have bought them well in advance of what's coming. Many people just can't afford them.

The reality I think is that humanity either fights this coming oppression or it lays down and dies. To fight the might of the most wealthy conglomerates on the planet is a daunting prospect. All the military armies of every country, their air forces, navies, ground armies. There's no hope for basic civilians to do this. It would be like medieval mobs with pitch forks trying to beat the USA military. Not gonna happen. Hope can only rest in the hearts of the military units of the world who need to not buy into the nightmare future and who need to rise up and protect the little people rather than be the puppets of the elites who will ask them to hunt down non-compliant people.

There's really nowhere to hide given the technology available to the elites. It will just be a case of how long it takes for them to come to your front door and deal with you. Being on an island isn't going to prevent that. It might buy you an amount of time whilst they focus on your low hanging fruit of the general populace, but eventually they will come.

So we come back to the point I made earlier to Awani.


What will you do when they do arrive at your door? Will you kill the police or the NHS/medical people who have been tasked with jabbing you?