Possible Explanations Of How The Philosopher's Stone Works

[ghetto alchemist]

Folks, I have been pondering how the philosophers stone could possibly work in rejuvinating youth for a few years ago without success.

However recently I came across an article which laid it out beautifully, you can check the original here [link broken], but here is my version tweaked ever so slightly.

Here is a definition of terms and suggested truths....

THEORY: Aging is caused by a build up of heavy water molecules in cells.
(Even today in the 21st century I can assert this, because scientists still can´t agree on what actually causes aging)

FACT: Heavy water is toxic to cells, and inhibits cell function leading up to cell death when the concentration reaches a high enough level

FACT: A small percentage of all water taken into a person through food and drink contains heavy hydrogen (heavy water)

FACT: Food restriction extends lifespan in every kind of animal tested so far

OLD ALCHEMY TEXTS STATE: that once philosophers stone is ingested that a persons hair, fingernails and teeth will fall out and will later regrow.

FACT: Radiation poisoning will cause a persons hair, fingernails and teeth to fall out.

FACT: We know that radiation poisoning will often kill a person, if it doesn´t kill you, you will simply survive and carry on as normal, and maybe develop cancer years later. Radiation poisoning survivors are not restored to youth.

DEDUCED FACT: It is not possible that the philosophers stone works by simply providing a dose of radiation.

FACT: There are 2 kinds of radiation that can poison a person, ionising radiation and neutron radiation. Most of the data available is about ionising radiation, but apparently nuetron radiation will have similar effects.


SUGGESTED THEORY: As a human grows up until the age of 25 he/she is sinking heavy water / heavy hydrogen somewhere in the body. This is probably somewhere in the body that is constructed one time and later does not regenerate. It could be the skeletal system, or the nervous sytem, or somewhere else altogther.
Once a person hits the age of 25 their body is perfectly formed, has stopped growing and contains no heavy hydrogen in the cells. All cells are operating at peak performance. However, since growing has ceased, the body suddenly no longer has a place to sink the incoming heavy hydrogen anymore. The heavy hydrogen coming in from food and water then slowly starts to accumulate in all the cells of the body, steadily decaying and inhibiting cell function over time as the concentration increases.

The philosophers stone is a substance that renders certain atomic nuclei unstable causeing them to reform. In a metal it causes restructure of the nucleus forming a new element....BUT...., in a living cell, it causes all heavy hydrogen molecules to eject their excess neutrons and instantly revert back to ordinary hydrogen.

Once a person ingests the philosophers stone, their body is belted with a massive dose of neutron radiation, as their cells simultaneously revert all heavy hydrogen atoms back to ordinary hydrogen.
This massive dose causes hair, fingernails and teeth to fall out, but at the same time all cells in the body have been reverted back to the state they were in when the person was 25. So they regrow hair teeth and fingernails and then have a youthful body. All cell processes are thereby restored to the speed and level that they were at 25 years of age.

If you accept that this might be true, it explains several mysteries, namely the reason for fasting before ingesting the stone. By fasting a person can significantly reduce the amount of fat and water stored in their body, which in turn reduces the amount of neutron radiation they will be hit with. It also explains why the texts mention that the philosophers stone should only be taken 1 time, subsequent doses whould have no effect once all heavy hydrogen is removed from the body.

If the above is true, then it also means that there would be a sweet spot in a persons life, the best time to take the philosophers stone, and a sweet spot for subsequent redosing. Eg Take it first at 35 and then every 10 years thereafter. Perhaps this is how the ultra long lifespans such as Atephius 900+ years can be achieved.

Regards
G Alchemist

 

[solomon levi]

Hi G.

Some other factors that might be considered: cortisol

[link broken]

Interesting the article mentions coffee and that it isn't the caffeine that is a factor.
The Essene also said coffee depletes m-state/ormus and that it wasn't because of the caffeine.
Something going on there...

hormone (n.)
1905, from Gk. hormon "that which sets in motion," prp. of horman "impel, urge on," from horme "onset, impulse," from PIE *or-sma-, from root *er- "to move, set in motion." Used by Hippocrates to denote a vital principle; modern meaning coined by English physiologist Ernest Henry Starling (1866-1927). Jung used horme (1915) in reference to hypothetical mental energy that drives unconscious activities and instincts.

notice the etymological similarity to ormes... in fact, in greek it is spot on: orme/ὁρμή
Hormones are the keys, literally keys, to health and aging.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone

As we can see, there are seven endocrine glands corresponding to the seven chakras:

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The endocrine glands produce hormones.
So one has to understand these hormones as frequencies/signatures corresponding to
the chakras and the electromagnetic spectrum as 7 levels of consciousness and energy.
A hormone is the physical manifestation of the corresponding chakra/etheric energy.
Anyway, the thymus/heart chakra gland is an important part of life/death/health.
What i understand is that the innocence of youth is the attitude/emotion that allows
the thymus to produce a "life hormone", whereas when the child becomes sexually
aware (i.e. polar in awareness) the "death hormone" begins to be produced instead.
Not unlike orgone/DOR theory.

[link broken]

Just another factor to consider.

 

[Andro]

when the child becomes sexually aware (i.e. polar in awareness) the "death hormone" begins to be produced instead.

In occult traditions, sex and death are commonly closely associated with each other.

In Astrology, for example, Sex and Death are both ruled by Scorpio/the 8th House.

Of course it can also be interpreted as a 'Little Death' (initiatory, shamanic death), but my point is that the connection is well recognized, no matter what the interpretation is.

 

[ghetto alchemist]

I'm ok with the fact that there may be other reasons to explain aging, but for any of them to get any serious attention from anyone (including me) they still have to explain this:

FACT: Food restriction extends lifespan in every kind of animal tested so far

In fact food restriction extends life by up to 30%.

The rule applies from large animals, all the way down to yeast cells.
That lifespan can be increased in yest cells tells me that the factors which control aging and death are happening at a cellular level.

Anyway, the heavy hydrogen theory of aging can explain calory restriction extending life, because calory restriction is also restriction of water intake (through food) and is therefore also restriction of heavy hydrogen accumulation.

But of course....yes I must concede there are other factors too
Sex sure plays a part.....as does the endocrine system.

Anyway...the reason I posted was because I think it would be good to have some understanding of how the philosophers stone works. Then you could make decisions about how to use it, eg should you give it to a 13 year old, or likewise an 80 year old. Should it be taken as one one dose or split into smaller doses over time etc.

Remember guys it is December 2012, the golden age is upon us.

Regards
G Alchemist

 

[Andro]

G. Alchemist,

This is a very interesting analisys. I think I have even mentioned (here, on AF) the article you referred to, maybe two years ago...

From your perspective, is the discarding of D2O also responsible for healing/curing disease? Or just for the reverse-aging aspect?

If there is indeed a connection, than it may also lead to the assumption that D2O is also the cause of disease, not just aging... Yet, people also get sick before the age of 25...
This, of course, could be explained away by some innate 'defect' in the D2O (<25) 'storage system' you mention.

But there are different kinds of Ph. Stones, as well. A more 'archemical' one, may indeed have to do with the radiation you are talking about.

But there may be different applications which result not in healing/rejuvenation, but in outgrowing/transcending the physical body altogether.
I refer to it as 'Alchemical Suicide', and I've even heard of a few very rare texts that mention this.

Other than that, I can also find the endocrine perspective equally valid. To me, this perspective may have to do with secreting new 'hormones', that aren't normally part of our routine arsenal.

 

[Krisztian]

In fact food restriction extends life by up to 30%.

Without any other alternative intervention(s), such as elixirs and tinctures, or specifically prepared herbs, etc., calorie restriction is a viable avenue for extending a lifespan. Overtime, the physical vehicle can be trained for it to need less and less foodstuff for it's basic maintenance. If you add a serious Qi-Gong practice to this recipe, then in a very real sense one builds, evolves out more the astral body to a point where the scale tips over naturally. The usual needs of the physical vehicle becomes less, in other words, you live out of the astral, still existing in this 'reality', being seen, heard, etc., but the same general principle(s) and chemical conditions associated with physical living is less significant. It's my hypothesis to life-extension, beyond the usual lifespan bracket.

I'm waiting for the day, when science catches up to explaining what I wrote here, and the experiences I have, had, and will have.

But of course....yes I must concede there are other factors too
Sex sure plays a part.....as does the endocrine system.

What you say has merit, I think. I've maintained over the years now that The Lapis probably produces something like a 'second puberty' of sort.

I know that research suggests in favour of sex; my experiences however show that celibacy can have benefits also. Take your pick, I suppose.

Anyway...the reason I posted was because I think it would be good to have some understanding of how the philosophers stone works. Then you could make decisions about how to use it, eg should you give it to a 13 year old, or likewise an 80 year old. Should it be taken as one one dose or split into smaller doses over time etc.

I did enjoy what you wrote.

 

[Ezalor]

Why would you try to find a physical explanation for something that stands above physics? The laws of physics are but the consequences of complex magickal laws reflecting in the density of matter. By working directly with these higher laws, you can achieve many things that seem to contradict physics (while in fact, they rather overrule generic physics). Physics are only working as long as you are playing within its limitations, once you step out of its playground, it is nothing but a set of useless limitations.

Hint: the ultimate cause of aging is non-physical.

P.s.: ...but as far as I know it is being realized through the damage to the mithocondrial DNA by the highly reactive oxygen free radicals that are generated in the organelles.
P.p.s.: Are you sure the Stone must be realizing its effect by prolonging one incarnation rather than triggering immortality that lets you preserve all memories and knowledge through reincarnations?

 

[Andro]

Hint: the ultimate cause of aging is non-physical.

It may be also equally stated that the 'cause' of ALL physical things (not just of aging) is non-physical

It is, however, manifested physically, in one way or another...

 

[horticult]

common eating = gluttony on poisons
"food restriction" = normal eating ... newspeak contamination ...

i can witness that common human can normally live min 40 days without any food, without any foreplay ;-) //& fell even better than normal, without any trix//

stone imo delivered?started?open gate for a lot of basic energy & body cure itself automatically. stone is universal, it can be used on animals, plants & /metals after adaptation for them/

 

[Salazius]

This is a vast debate here going on ... Cause of death ?

For me : glues and crystals. These are the two majors toxins produced in the body with its normal functioning, food, etc.

When the "inner cellular ground" is in normal Ph (dependingo f the location in the body 6 in stomac and 8 in small intestine for ex) and clean, all the cells are duplicated without loss of inner energy and information.

 

[Krisztian]

Thanks Gentlemen!

. . . . triggering immortality that lets you preserve all memories and knowledge through reincarnations?

Hungarian author Mária Szepes claimed the latter of which you write, Ezalor, as you I'm sure know of.

When the "inner cellular ground" is in normal Ph (dependingo f the location in the body 6 in stomac and 8 in small intestine for ex) and clean, all the cells are duplicated without loss of inner energy and information.

I've been as of late collect fresh snow in my backyard, filtering it, then keeping it in copper pyramid for a good 24 hours. For three days straight, drinking only this filtered "snow" (and eating raw vegetables) I noticed remarkable symptoms. When my mouth and tongue "sweats" I could taste no thing other than water. My pores also don't secrete the usual effects that motivates one to take a shower or bath.

It may be also equally stated that the 'cause' of ALL physical things (not just of aging) is non-physical.

I think one would need little convincing of that, Andro. I wish mainstream science would be more aligned with that observation; but I guess, all in due time, hey?

 

[Ezalor]

Hungarian author Mária Szepes claimed the latter of which you write, Ezalor, as you I'm sure know of.

If we generally consider the turning of lead into gold more an allegory of the spiritual development, rather than actually turn physical lead into physical gold, then why would we not do the same in this case?

 

[solomon levi]

Anyway...the reason I posted was because I think it would be good to have some understanding of how the philosophers stone works. Then you could make decisions about how to use it, eg should you give it to a 13 year old, or likewise an 80 year old. Should it be taken as one one dose or split into smaller doses over time etc.

That's why I wrote what i wrote too.
I've also explained a couple times about massive DNA replication = fire of the stone = kundalini.
This also relates to children who have different kundalini activity before they become sexually aware teens
(or younger, especially nowadays), and kundalini is related to chakras and endocrine hormones.

If food/water intake is all you will recognise - what can I say. So be it.
I am also talking about real cell nutrition and fire/calories, just differently.

I also agree with Ezalor - the ultimate reason is not physical. That is significant in many ways,
but to bring it back to cell nutrition, our attitudes can starve or malnurish cells and cause their death/aging.
An addiction to a way of thinking or feeling manifests as food addictions and such. A cell becomes
addicted because of the ego-minds imposition. A cell can learn to not accept what is good for it and
prefer emotional crap, sugars, bleached flour, etc. This is not the cell's fault.

On another account, aging has to do with time and time only.
We simply do not realise that we are made out of time, so we have lost the ability
to control our aging. We think linearly, so we age. We believe in cause and effect,
so we age. We age because we are stuck perceptually. Free your perception and
you can eat anything, drink anything, walk on water or fire, etc.
The stone can be explained this way. Saturn/Chronos/Time is our starting material,
the Philosophers tell us.

When the disciples asked about fasting, Jesus said it is not what you put into your mouth,
but what comes out of your mouth that matters. Yogis have proven this many times.
I have proven it myself for myself. I eat pizza and burritos and drink coffee and smoke
roll-my-own pipe tobacco and sage cigarettes a couple times a day. But crap doesn't
come out of my mouth, or through my life expression. The conversations i have here
on the forums are my everyday conversations. I meet people in love and equality, even
though my diet isn't "balanced".
Would I be even more spectacular on water and fruits and veggies and raw food?
Maybe.
But I don't fool myself into believing that I will know the unconditional through conditioning/rules.
i.e. eat this, don't eat that.
Maybe we should ask if the Philosopher's stone is conditioned or unconditioned. That might help.

Anyway, it's 2012 - so keep you mind open.
Your beliefs will indicate where you end up.
Do you want to be in another, or the same, cause and effect world/"here", or
do you want the miraculous?

 

[ghetto alchemist]

Andro wrote:
From your perspective, is the discarding of D2O also responsible for healing/curing disease? Or just for the reverse-aging aspect?

Yes Andro, this is a pertinant point and one that must be addressed for the heavy water theory to have any validity. I forgot that the philosophers stone simultaneously does two impossible feats, makes an old person young and cures all diseases. I only really focused on one and totally ignored the other.
The truth is I really can't make the heavy water theory explain curing all diseases.
Restoring your cells to the condition they were in at 25 might cure some diseases, especially those associated with age, but not all of them.

Do we have many references that tell us what diseases the stone can cure?
I can provide this one, it was sent to N** from an adept who called himself sergio:

Sergio wrote:
The terapeutic dosage is about 4-6 drops on male adults 4 on
female , and 1-3 on childrens . Only cure phisical diseases or
infections, blindness ,deafness , paraplegia , etc. But cannot
regenerete amputate members or deformations or born
syndromes(like Down).

It doesn't have nearly as much detail as I would like it to have, but does seem to show that the stone doesn't cure everything.
Can you get us any references, to shine some more light on the problem.
But in the meantime, your critisism is valid. Having young cells does not equate to being free of disease.

Also...Sol,
In reference to your analysis I would add one more test that I would like to know.
Is belief or knowledge of the philosophers stone required for it to work, are mind exercises also required?
A very pertinent question to say the least.
Because I would also like to know.....if I gave it to a dog, would it make him young again?

Regards
G Alchemist

 

[solomon levi]

There is the story of the melissae ens that made an old hen young again,
and an old woman maid began to menstruate again:

"One of my most intimate friends prepared the Primum Ens Melissae, and his curiosity would not allow him to rest until he had seen with his own eyes the effects of the this arcanum, so that he might be certain whether or not the accounts given of its virtues were true. He therefore made the experiment, first upon himself, then upon an old female servant, aged seventy years, and afterwards upon an old hen that was kept as his house. First he took, every morning at sunrise. A glass of white wine that was tinctured with this remedy, and after using it for fourteen days his finger- and toe- nails began to fall out, without however, causing any pain. He was not courageous enough to continue the experiment, but gave the same remedy to the old female servant. She took it every morning for about ten days, when she began to menstruate again as in former days. At this she was very much surprised, because she did not know that she had been taking a medicine. She became frightened, and refused to continue the experiment. My friend took, therefore, some grain, soaked it in that wine, and gave it to the old hen to eat, and on the sixth day that bird began to lose its feathers, and kept losing them until it was perfectly nude, but before two weeks had passed, new feathers grew, which were much more beautifully colored; her comb stood up again, and she began again to lay eggs."


Spiritual things are similar. For example, a breathing discipline similar to pranayama
which is practiced in the Ramtha school caused many older women to begin to
menstruate again. (I was in this school for twenty odd years).
There was another discipline that involved stillness and darkness - like a caterpillar in
a chrysalis - and a list of "dreams"/desires which were meditated on as already accomplished.
One person, I remember, woke up with a completely new set of teeth from this discipline.
I, myself, experienced a spontaneous healing from this exercise.

As I've started speaking of elsewhere, it involves moving the attention from binary to analogical
mind. Or as Castaneda's don Juan said, (paraphrase) when the internal dialogue is stopped,
anything held in the mind is properly a command because it has no competition.

So, in a way, I would say belief or knowledge is required.
Some people can be healed through belief/faith alone.
Magicians heal through conscious knowledge of the belief process -
understanding why belief works.
Anyone putting the effort into creating the stone must believe in it or they
wouldn't take the time and effort. It is hard to say how much belief plays
a part, but one can accomplish everything the stone promises without a laboratory,
spiritually - so that should tell you something.

 

[ghetto alchemist]

Found this reference by accident while searching through The Art of Distillation for something completely unrelated.
It clearly identifies which diseases the philosophers stone can cure.

The Art of Distillation : John French

With the aforesaid preparations the Ancients did not only preserve the health and strength of their bodyes, but also prolong their lives to a very old age, and not that only but cured thorowly the Epilepsie, Apoplexie, Elephantiasis, Leprosy, Melancholy, Madnesse, the Quartain, the Gout, Dropsie, Plurisy, all manner of Feavers, the Jaundise, Lucsvenerea, the Wolfe, Cancer, Noli ne´angere, Asthma, Consumption, the Stone, stopping of Urine, inward Impostumes, and such like diseases, which most men account incurable. For there is such a potent fire lying in prepared gold, which doth not onely consume deadly humours, but also renewes the very marrow of the bones, and raiseth up the whole body of man being half dead.

They that use any of these preparations for any of the foregoing diseases, must b take themselves to their bed for the space of two or three houres, and expect sweating to ensue, for indeed it will send forth sweat plentifully, and with ease, and leave no impurity or superfluity in the whole body. Note that they must take it forten dayes together in appropriated Liquors.

Let young men that expect long life, take any of the aforesaid preparations once in a month, and in the morning, but they must abstain from meat & drink, till the evening of the same day, for:in that time that matter will be digested into the radical humour; whereby the strength of the body is wonderfully increased, beauty doth flourish most wonderfully, and continues till extream old age.

Let old men take it twice in a moneth, for by this meanes will their old age be fresh till the appointed time of death.

Let young women and maids take it once in a moneth after their menstrua, for by this means they will look fresh and beautifull.

Let womon that are in travell take it, and it will help and strengthen them to bring forth without much paine, notwithstanding many difficulties.

Let it be given to women that have past the yeares of their menstrua once or twice in a month, and it will preserve them vert fresh, and many times cause their menstrua to returne, and make them capable again of bearing children.

It cures the plague, and expells that matter of a carbuncle by sweat most potently.

When I say that this, or it will doe thus or thus, I mean any one of the fore named preparations viz. Autum Potabile, Oils, or Tincture of gold.

It also answers a couple of my own questions regarding dosage and age.
Notice it does say not to eat or drink water the same day you take it.

I´m still not sure about how to fit the diseases themselves with the theory though.
Thanks for your reference Sol. The bit about the chicken was particularly telling.

G Alchemist

 

[ghetto alchemist]

OK, this is for Andro...... in answer to your challenge that restoring cells to that of a 25 year old does not explain the curing of all diseases, I have taken a look at those diseases specified by John French and have categorised them and analysed them to get my head around this.

First, there are a couple of diseases that are definately age related, meaning 25 year olds don´t have them, and restoring your cells to 25 should automatically cure you. These are:

Dropsie (fluid retention)
Apoplexie (heart disease)
Gout
the stone (??kidney stones??)
stopping of Urine (??prostate problems??)

Then there are a other diseases related to infection and parasites. We don´t see many of these diseases anymore because of our improved health and well being through sanitation and nutrition. These diseases would be cured simply by making your cells healthy again and restoring immune system functioning.

Parasite caused:
Elephantiasis

Infection caused:
Fevers
the Quartain (??malaria??)
lues venerea (Syphilis- bacterial infection)
Leprosy (bacterial infection)
wolfe (Rabies - viral infection)
Noli me tangere (bacterial skin disease)
Consumption (tuberculosis)
inward Impostumes (??stomache ulcers?? - bacterial)

By restoring full cell function, general well being should also be improved.....which should also cure Jaundice

Which only leaves a couple of diseases....these ones:

Asthma
Cancer
Epilepsy
Madness
Melancholy (Depression)

OK I admit I´m not sure about those last ones.

Regards
G Alchemist

 

[Krisztian]

The stone can be explained this way. Saturn/Chronos/Time is our starting material, the Philosophers tell us.

I think Saturn refers to the blackness, the backdrop of what we call First Matter. That's an interesting line of questioning, that's for sure. Hennig Brandt certainly believed that from his research. So do I.

Would I be even more spectacular on water and fruits and veggies and raw food? Maybe..

Philosophically anything can look anything. It's just a mind chatter, feeling of conquer, until life gets one emotional. Then, philosophy is 'out the window'. In practical terms, I've been eating primarily raw food strictly for the past 8 years. And I can say from experience that my mood is even, I don't have swings of emotions, my hormones are balanced as well, that as people have stated does influence the quality of cells.

The word that professionals [in my field] use is equanimity.

To change eating habits to more purer materials, requires a sense of surrender for the intellect, it's a scary place in other words. Because every person who intellectually philosophical is addicted to an emotion they hide with their intellect about. So when you remove the food they consume for that emotional addiction, for that 'high', one becomes quite vulnerable. Candace Pert's research speaks plenty on it. Attitude creates biology, no doubt. But it's also a vicious loop.

In any case, I'm not making a case for either way, I'm just reporting on a fact in my existence. Also, just adding to this already very good Thread and discussion.

 

[thrival]

As I've started speaking of elsewhere, it involves moving the attention from binary to analogical
mind. Or as Castaneda's don Juan said, (paraphrase) when the internal dialogue is stopped,
anything held in the mind is properly a command because it has no competition.

So, in a way, I would say belief or knowledge is required. Some people can be healed through belief/faith alone. Magicians heal through conscious knowledge of the belief process - understanding why belief works. Anyone putting the effort into creating the stone must believe in it or they wouldn't take the time and effort. It is hard to say how much belief plays a part, but one can accomplish everything the stone promises without a laboratory, spiritually - so that should tell you something.

I think there might be two types of healing being discussed here, natural and super-natural. Natural would include witless healing where belief is not a factor, double-blind studies. For example a disease cause by some deficiency is cured by supplying the missing nutrient or mineral, observed in children and animals who have no idea what's in the pill and are too distracted by other things to give it much thought. Also the universe may very well be created by a thought, but our own brains don't think very well when nutrition is sub-par, and if mind-over-matter worked consistently, we might all be living better lives and in a better world.

And then there is super-natural healing where Higher interdimensional beings with expanded perspectives and capacities effect the changes we're asking for. Call it each person's Higher Self or the Ascension body, or a Spirit brother or sister who enters this domain, what have you. I have no doubt these Beings (who exist, are real) can effect miracles, but we humans in our current form are pretty limited, even with positive thinking.

Books I've found useful: The Secret Science Behind Miracles and The Secret Science At Work by Max Freedom Long, and Course in Miracles

 

[Seth-Ra]

I think there might be two types of healing being discussed here, natural and super-natural. Natural would include witless healing where belief is not a factor, double-blind studies. For example a disease cause by some deficiency is cured by supplying the missing nutrient or mineral, observed in children and animals who have no idea what's in the pill and are too distracted by other things to give it much thought. Also the universe may very well be created by a thought, but our own brains don't think very well when nutrition is sub-par, and if mind-over-matter worked consistently, we might all be living better lives and in a better world.

And then there is super-natural healing where Higher interdimensional beings with expanded perspectives and capacities effect the changes we're asking for. Call it each person's Higher Self or the Ascension body, or a Spirit brother or sister who enters this domain, what have you. I have no doubt these Beings (who exist, are real) can effect miracles, but we humans in our current form are pretty limited, even with positive thinking.

Books I've found useful: The Secret Science Behind Miracles and The Secret Science At Work by Max Freedom Long, and Course in Miracles

Personally, every "medicine" ive seen that is claimed as simple nutrients, or chemicals, etc and passed "double-blind" studies, have more side-effects than they "cure", or only remove the symptom, and not the problem itself.
The only real kind of healing, is spirit to spirit, Life to Life - some call it "supernatural" but to me, its purely natural.



~Seth-Ra

 

[thrival]

Personally, every "medicine" ive seen that is claimed as simple nutrients, or chemicals, etc and passed "double-blind" studies, have more side-effects than they "cure", or only remove the symptom, and not the problem itself. The only real kind of healing, is spirit to spirit, Life to Life - some call it "supernatural" but to me, its purely natural. ~Seth-Ra

You've never been to a doctor then, who has done you any good? There may well be side-effects to pharmaceuticals, but were it not for penicillin (made from mold, which is "natural") there would be a lot fewer people or farm animals on terra. Sometimes, some of us just go with what works. (I'm a big fan of colloidal silver & ozone now.) The difference between science and religion is science goes by observation, while religion requires "belief." Jesus showed that a bridge existed between natural and super-natural, i.e. they are a continuum, "nature" being a collection of created things. As for the cure of deficiency diseases with the thing missing, is pretty incontravertable / non-controversial.

 

[Seth-Ra]

You've never been to a doctor then, who has done you any good?

The only good ever done, was masking the symptom - all actual healing and cure, was left to me and Spirit, as all things are.

There may well be side-effects to pharmaceuticals, but were it not for penicillin (made from mold, which is "natural") there would be a lot fewer people or farm animals on terra.

Thats not necessarily a bad thing. lol

Sometimes, some of us just go with what works. (I'm a big fan of colloidal silver & ozone now.)

Im a fan of certain things, based on their energy signature and properties, sure - but such is not a cure, as much as a simple aid. There is a big difference, often overlooked, between cure and aid.

The difference between science and religion is science goes by observation, while religion requires "belief." Jesus showed that a bridge existed between natural and super-natural, i.e. they are a continuum, "nature" being a collection of created things. As for the cure of deficiency diseases with the thing missing, is pretty incontravertable / non-controversial.

The two are not mutually exclusive as out-dated "enlightenment" ways of thinking would have many to believe. While belief also does play some role, that of one's current polarity/pattern of being/seeing - it is not a matter of what im talking about either. Spirit/Life does not = religion/belief, just as Nature is not merely created things.




~Seth-Ra

 

[Awani]

It is not a coincidence that HARM is in pharmacy.

 

[thrival]

Wow, you guys sure like to split hairs. Yes, well the word pharmacy comes from the root 'pharmakeus' which meant sorcerer, or mixer of poisons, and was applied to the first ...alchemists! And then there was Hippocrates' school, the base of naturopathy, that taught food & fasting. Incidentally food & nutrition is probably the best way to treat deficiency diseases if you're still in and using a body. But I sure won't begrudge those companies who found ways of producing vitamins with bacteria, or even HFCS with enzymes, given that sugar is a prized molecule in nature, and how ants will attack a melting popsicle.

To say that only spirit is real is to be part of the Mary Baker Eddy ranks. Spirit invented matter to have something to work through within those domains.

And I'm (not) the first to admit or say that religion & science are twin sisters. All I'm saying is that some things are quite well understood by those who have bodies, without appealing to a higher plane, which also exists. There's a time and a place for everything, hopefully you won't be importuning heaven when your (physical) remedy is right at hand.

Nature is a collection of created things, that spirit(s) can use. It's creation on another level than what humans are privy. The best we can do is rearrange its parts.

Fewer people, hmmm. You wouldn't be part of the Georgia Guidestones crowd? Earth is both a safety net and a launchpad for fallen ...man, and at some point will have served its purpose.

 

[Andro]

Fewer people, hmmm. You wouldn't be part of the Georgia Guidestones crowd?

For the sake of clarity, it is recommended to include the relevant quote from the person to whom the statement/question is addressed.

In this case, I assume you are referring to:

[...] there would be a lot fewer people or farm animals on terra. [...]

That's not necessarily a bad thing.

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Also, on a more general note, please let's all at least try to stay focused on the original topic of this discussion, which is: Possible explanation of how the Philosopher's Stone works.

Alternatively, the more off-topic posts can be relocated to a new/different thread.

Thanks.