Patron of the Arts
- Apr 1, 2009
Immortality presumes at least that once you achieved something, you won't have to achieve it again.
You're thinking entirely too linearly to begin to understand either time, or the meaning of achievement. lol
E.g., a lot of countries have absurd anti-humane military law - you need to serve in army away from your family for at least a year. Usually you have to eat low quality intoxicated food and have to deal with low-minded individuals, harsh, rude and aggressive. Once it was about to happen to me, I decided that I will finish my life but I won't allow such monstrosity, which is basically arrest for over 1 year and constant humiliation (especially if to consider that I am gay). I managed to solve this issue by a help of good medics.
That's not a big deal, and you can learn a lot about other people and the human condition through adversity and living with different types with different backgrounds, experiences, thoughts, etc.
I can understand why immortality in this form is so important to you; from the sounds of it, it would take you that long to become more universal and actually "get it".
But now when suicidal thoughts come into my head, I shrug them off, realizing that if I reincarnate there is big probability that I will have to meet all those horrors again, that I have to visit that cesspool which is school and similar social institutes if not worse, I could grow on streets (in third world country).
You see horrors where there are only lessons and challenges, which are what make life, life.
Seth-Ra, you speak about these things in such a relaxed manner because you NEVER truly experienced Death being near you, you never had to consider putting end to your life because of horrific life circumstances. But once you combine it with "immortality with reincarnation" you will receive sadism being taken in absolute - having to deal with terrific shit again and again and again and yet again.
Actually, he (Seth-Ra) DID experience death near him. He will elaborate if he wants to. Don't know about the rest.
Warmheart claimed similar things about me. Perhaps knowledge of other peoples experiences should be kept to a minimum.
LOL What a hilariously beautiful joke.
Warmheart, you have no idea what I, or other members here have gone through, nor the people we have watched die. Andro is one who can attest, and did respectfully, to the fact you are simply talking out your ass about people you can't begin to know.
Awani makes a good point here; details about one's personal life are probably better left to a minimum, as it's not about the people, but the points.
However, my name and identity are not hidden behind my avatar, I am quite the open and honest person, thus I will see if I can help paint a better picture of the experiences I have had;
I am an American, born in the southern most part of Alabama, right next to Florida, in the "Bible Belt". I grew up in a middle-class family, not remotely rich, but food, shelter and clothing were always provided - needs were met, wants were often not, except for special occasions. I myself was bullied all through my earliest years, and not this verbal and internet bullying crap the kids of today in the first world bitch about, but physically assaulted in the schools, and actively hunted and assaulted in the streets around my town. Such a wonderful childhood I had, having the shit beat out of me by groups of people at any given time, for no apparent reason - and if I defended myself, I was the one that got punished by the authorities, and if my attackers were questioned as to why they were attacking me, no answer or the occasional "he's weird". Most of them I had never even spoken to before such. *shrugs*
Good times... lol
Seriously though - they taught me. Taught me to fight, to never drop my guard, to know that anywhere people are, enemies can be. The Enemy is our greatest teacher, for the Enemy will show you everywhere you are weak. I was weak, timid, shy, explorative... they taught me to use my explorative nature to find brutal and unique ways of being strong, outspoken, and extroverted. Because of the cruelty around me, I learned martial arts and other modes of self defense.
Years later, I joined my country's army. There I learned more ways of destroy people, and the people I met... each one brought something fresh and unique to the table. We were all different, but all the same. We all brainstormed and bounced tactics and ideas off of each other and continued our education of war and killing.
I later left that place, as I felt called to do, because there were things that were going to destroy me if I stayed - and as my earlier years taught me, self preservation was everything. My Captain was a good man, and he facilitated my departure. Years later we would remain friends and I would learn how well he had done me concerning my departure from service...
Upon leaving the military, I did some odd jobs - worked in a deli, a carpet factory, etc. all the while interacting and learning from the strange and interesting, and more than a few asshole people that I encountered day to day. But then I felt my next calling, and I saved the money to do it; to become an EMT (Emergency Medical Technician).
I spent sooo much of my life learning to kill - in my true Gemini self, I felt it was time to balance that with learning to heal. I disagree with the big pharma and typical western "health care" with few exceptions - but emergency medicine is different; if we don't do these things, they die, right now. lol
I also continued working in security as well, until I got on full time working on an ambulance. Now I work full-time as an EMT Security Officer (i.e. both at the same time).
I have seen people burned beyond recognition, their partner who accidentally got them killed, begging us to kill him while we patched him up. I've seen a mother criticize her own son because he was fishing with his grandpa (the mother's dad), and due to unfortunate circumstances, the grandpa ended up drowning. The kid almost died trying to save him, but couldn't - and our other crew took care of the kid, while we recovered the drowned grandpa.
I've seen a human being who was completely eviscerated and their face totally gone aside from some fragments - I had to hold the bag open while to the coroner tried to get blood for the autopsy. I've seen a man that was executed, gunshot to the head, left in the dirt road in his underwear, and the killers take his vehicle and torch it on the other end of the county.
I've worked codes that lasted upwards of 3 hours, as we'd get a pulse back - in fact this particular time, every time we got the pulse back, I was the one doing the chest compressions, and we'd get it back, it would hold for a few mins, and then they'd lose it and we were right back at it. I have seen, and felt the handful of moments where we got them back - and I've heard the multitude of loved ones be told that their person was gone - their wails and cries are as vivid to me, as the blood and the gore and the stains in my uniform that Im not sure ever truly came out...
I've also had personal people dear to me die. One hella meaningful one, was also a founding member of this forum; Aleilius was his screen name, and I went to his funeral, said what I could, but not nearly all that I wanted to, and I lamented the loss of my oldest alchemy brother to a room of people who didn't know or understand his mind's complexity and depth to the reality and Arts like I did, and still, I loved them for just being there and loving him to the depth that they knew him and understand love.
I have bared witness to the harshness and cruelties of life - my family has been hit with natural disasters (we live in "Hurricane Alley" as its called), I have watched and felt people die in my arms, and shouldered the burden with the rest of the medical staff. I have also on a few occasions saved them, so they could die another day, preferably not while I'm on duty. lol
I have served in the military, and even now I contemplate doing so again - returning to the forces that once threatened to destroy me, and see if the new person I am today, can survive better than the old one I was then.
Then again, maybe I won't bother, as there's more for me to do than prove and settle old rivalries.
But its not something I run from either way. Either way, I'm ok with it. Life and death go hand in hand - matter and energy dance with each other like the serpents on Hermes' staff.
Alchemy has, as one of its prerequisites for immortality/the Stone, death. There is no white and red without there first being black. So you cannot sincerely be about these esoteric Arts and Sciences, while seeking to hold onto and preserve the tiny fractal that you currently (and errantly) imagine yourself to be.
True immortality, physical immortality, is in fact at hand - just as assuredly as matter and energy are interwoven and un-killable, so to are we. We merely move through forms, like a snake shedding its skin. That is the hard fact. Its demonstrable in nature, math, science, the spiritual traditions - all point to the reality of immortality. Only those who currently can't see, believe that that is the hard part, because of what they fear to lose.
You cannot lose, or attain what you innately are. lol
Likewise, you shouldn't condescend to people as if you are somehow one of those who have truly suffered, when you have no knowledge or conceptual experience of what others experience unless they tell you.
From having been in the shitty circumstances I have, and having been exposed to so many different people and types of people - I find most everyone knows what suffering is, as everyone deals with things that are relatable and comparable to one another, but also unique to each person. All of the snowflakes have similar geometry and are made of water - yet are uniquely special. One condescending to another and arrogantly thinking they can't understand the suffering of falling to the ground, is absurd since they all do it.
Some of us just recognize we have a choice on how we enjoy the flight along the breeze, and that is the difference between our levels of understanding.
People can simulate how good is "immortality in reincarnation". Give away everything you have (even your last underpants), save money only for one-way ticket to some third world country (preferably the one with ongoing war, e. g. Syria). Burn all the bridges with all your relatives and friends. There you go - simulation of "immortality in reincarnation". Lots of "fun", isn't it?
I will give 1 billion USD to everyone here who will die and them come back to me from afterlife. But first, they need to give me all their current belongings I think it is very good deal, I doubt we have dollar billionaires here, everyone can participate, I will be able to find these money for everyone who will prove me that I am wrong and that they are actually immortal and death is just minor issue
That makes no sense and is like comparing apples to oranges. All is One, and One is All - I'll gladly help all I can, but I can help none unless I am ok. Likewise, it makes no sense to put myself out and be of no use to myself or anyone else, just because of the inevitable. It is more beneficial to make the most of what I have, and in doing so, help the most, until its time to shed this form and move along with the game.
Besides - people are not helped with money or possessions. They are helped with wisdom, love, care, understanding, and a dash of useful knowledge.
Money and possessions are nothing but tools to be used, energy to exchange; the vehicle is nothing without the passengers inside it. The body is nothing without the soul - form is nothing without function, which is a product of thought - physical existence is for the facilitation of spiritual experience/expression.
Also it is all about attitudes. I have met, and are friends with, a lot of people that have a very positive outlook on life and next life... regardless of the horrors they have gone through.
Literally this. ^
If what I wrote is to long to read, Awani concisely summed it up.
~Seth-Ra / Jessie