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How's your process going, Skipper, if you can say?

Remarkable thread, this. Did anyone who managed to produce the "shrunk water" check the density of it? That is, did the flask weigh less after the volume had decreased, or did it still weigh the same?
 

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A missing Element?

Well, here I am again and I'll have to admit, this thread on Ozone and the reason WHY and HOW and WHAT was happening during nav2010's experiment, along with all of our comments has turned out to be an interesting puzzle! Since I enjoy puzzles of a picture that do intrest me, I may have found one piece of this puzzle that will make this picture much more clearer for everyone except for the Sages, then they already know what the whole picture looks like! Let me begin...

After anaylizing the entire comments in this thread, I have come to a curious understanding. Alot of talk has been covered about -the heat-the time-the amount of current- and a little about the water. In another thread created by the "Getto Alchemist", here our dear friend identified a particle and brought it to my attention. He called it Gaia particles. Now with the water in this thread and the Gaia particles in "GA's" thread, I got moving on a completely different theory.

Think about this for a moment: What if this Gaia particle was something much more than a mere particle.

Could this Gaia particle be something more than a particle, which may consist of different things and seem more complicated than it really is? Could, if you would widen the horizon of a seemingly fixed periodic table of Elements, to which even Scientists are in controversy whether or not it is even complete?

What if Gaia was an Element that needed to be admitted to the PTE! Calling to our old friend "GAlchemist" if he would even allow me to use this name for a new Element! Hope you will GA! After all, it was your interpretation (idea).
Anyway, let me move you to two seemingly unsimiliar parallels. Water H2O and Mercury Hg... Both are liquids and that is where the similarity seems to end. However it is important that we understand both of these compounds. Water is comprised of three elements: 2 molecules of Hydrogen and 1 of Oxygen. Good, but in my opinion, that is a pretty complicated mixture compared with Mercury..

This Mercury is also a liquid, but is called a single Element - Hg = Hydrargyrum.. Pretty uncomplicated, Hg, single element... And since Science doesn't, to this day, have a microscope strong enough to dig any deeper into this Element, they just let it be what it is and move on.

But seeing that Mercury in itself is, in my opinion, much more interesting, but maybe mysterious is the better word for it. But wouldn't it be a bit exciting to know that you may be on the verge of understanding something the Sages have been doing there best to be kept a secret for thousands of years...

Let us start by phonetically breaking down the nomminclature of this Elemental sign Hg, (Hydrargyrum): Hydrar ... could be a prefix for Hydrogen, good. But what does gyrum mean? Or was that the turkey that found and named quicksilver?

However Mercury, in my opinion, is just too complicated a compound to be just a single element... I'll bet a dollar to a donut (OK, that is a pretty weak bet), that the turkey who named the sign of Mercury with Hg (Hydrargyrum) was probably a Sage wanting to put us ALL off track. When if fact the "g" was meant for the real element that should be in place of element number 80 and should be called, not Mercury, but the element Gaia! The new sign should be HG. One Hydrogen molecule and one Gaia molecule! Intuition just tells me that Mercury seems alot more complicated than Water. I mean, it should, like water, have more elements to it... And remember, Mercury was a half God in Greek Mythology, who was said to have decieved the Gods. So there are room for lies and deciet when noone can see inside the package... Not even to this day.

Pretty preposterous coming from a mere truck driver, but please don't give up on me yet.

There is much more to this, but this is my beginning and this is - "to be continued"; where it should be found and what are its characteristics and how to make OHG or in other words "Our HG"! Stay tuned!

P.S. @Bellsprout: The flask weighed the same with a much lesser volume. He started with over 500 ml and ended up with a little over 50ml. Less volume, same weight!
 
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Where can Gaia be found.

So, to continue. During our last episode I was rendering a supposition that there should be a new element named in place of Mercury. Like Water, it should be a compound of more than one element. Gaia was the name I gave it, because of particles the G. Alchemist was describing in another thread and it seemed fitting. I also relayed a fact that Mercury in itself and to this day cannot be, neither chemically nor optically analysed by Science and that its name of Hydrargyrum (Hg) offered only half a clue as to what it is.

To go further, Antoinne-Laurent de Lavoisier was a french Chemist during the French revolution and was probably aquainted with Paracelsus (a famous Sage in Alchemy). Lavoisier was the first to make a comprehensive list of the Elements and is probably the founder of the first Periodic table. But he is said to only have PROBABLY been the one to give it the name of Hydrargyrum or short (Hg). I suspect, because I want to and probably can, that Paracelsus help him name it and that... by design!

Listen people, if Mercury and to be explicit, if "Our" Mercury is the very first ingredient and most important step in fabricating and completing the great work of the Philosophers or the Philosophers Stone, shouldn't we be a little more sceptical about the make-up of this liquid metal that has been thrown at our feet, thousands of years ago. Why is going from vulgar Mercury to Our Mercury been such a great problem. For all who have tried making the Philosophers Stone, getting this first ingredient was a monumental endeavor and only a very few achieve this feat. And yet, once achieved, was said to be simple childs play or womens work.... WWHAAAT!!!

Well.... maybe it is. If the chemistry were known, how to make this Element artificially, then the secret of the Sages would be discovered. According to the Sages, a form of this Element can be made artificially, to wit: Our Mercury!

You'll have to hand it to nav2010. His description of what he made is exactly the same as one I read from Bacstrom, from Ripley and another I can't recall at the moment. A shiny white milky substance that doesn't wet the hands.

Now I am going to propose that this unidentified and unproven Element that I have thrown into this equation is some building block that needs to be given, to understand why everybody in this labyrinth is running full tilt into the brick wall! This truck driver is going to give you a description of what HE thinks it should look and act like.

1st; It should be classified as a metallic Gas
2nd; It should have a lesser atomic mass than Mercury which was 200.59, but recalculating is now 199.582.
3rd; It should reflect light, but can also be transparent.
4th; It should be a disassociate type of Element unless forced to associate. (meaning: You can find it freely and abbundant in nature alone, unless it was forced to associate with another molecule and is trapped in dry or wet form with this. Volcanic activity or the like.. or it finds its mate molecule of which there may be only one, but with this can attract a third molecule.)
5th; It should ordinarily be attracted to liquids, but settles on them and not normally in them, unless forced to do so.
6th; Maybe the most important; It should be everywhere and the cause of Birefringence in any reflective material... Wet or dry.

So, that should do for now. Now let's go for the Title: Where can Gaia be found?

Realize one thing about discoveries... Noone makes them unless they suspect there is something there to discover. So I have been putting you all into the "looking" mode, the whole time.
First question, then suspect, then dig, then find.
However here, nothing has been proven as yet. Being the diddly dump truck driver that I am, this may only be smoke up your ass! But sincerly, it was never my intention. I really believe there is something missing, something of key value. If you never questioned the origin of a key player, how can you believe he wants you to know who he really is? Mercury is such a key player and he has been hiding his identity for centurys and maybe other key players as well!

So, let's look around for a moment in your mind and observe a body of water you know of. A lake, an Ocean, a pond... Now keeping in mind the description of Gaia I gave above, how it should look and act like, and then ask this question: Why does water reflect light?

"OK, Skipper.... Now you have just went off the deep end!"; Is what your probably saying...
Maybe, but maybe not. My Theory is that Gaia is akin but not always associated with Hydrogen and/or Oxygen, unless forced to do so. It can lap upon these two (or in this case 3 elements "H two and O" H2O) like a blanket with a thickness of 100 to 1000 percent (Maybe more maybe less... ) of the surface area of any body of water and be completely independent and harvested. It is the real reason why light reflects off of the water. Not just because it is a fluid. And be reminded that Gaia is attracted to all liquids. It is a fairly heavy metallic gas, but will not penetrate a liquid unless forced. But the most predominant place Gaia, the element is found, is in Mercury. However, in Mercury it is through and through, because it was forced too be involved with its Mate molecule. Hydrogen! Through volcanic activity or hot spring activity, these two molecules are strangly attracted to one another and settle peculilarly in vains of cinnabar, where they are trapped. When cinnabar is harvested and crushed, the byproduct is Mercury. The abundance of this Molecule Gaia in the Universe is unknown to me. But the birefringence index of Cinnabar and other reflective minerals give a clue that it is quite abundant... with a birefringence index that could go off the scale with certain materials, to wit: "luminous"!

Escuse me but that is quite a bit of Theory to work on and prove against, if and when this Gaia Element were in fact nonexistent. However, if it is really a new factor and it could be proven to exist. Just imagine how many questions it would answer! Making the Philosopher's Stone would again be childs play...

That is enough for now. Up next is: Ozone and the single molecule looking for a threesome!
 
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Gaia particles are not chemical elements. They are quasi particles. Closer in nature to a photon than a metallic gas. Chemistry is not Alchemy, and never will be.
 

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O3 Ozone how does this fit it?

Just up front, I want to thank all of you for your patience with my storyboard here, which is being written for the next Marvel episode! Some names have been added to capture the bad guys! This is a fictitious non fiction... :rolleyes: I thought I was going to get cut up, sliced and dyed, hung out to dry with so much critizism that I'd fall of the end of the earth! But no! You all have been very patient with me. I thank you... All of you! Just wish there was a way to see just how many people have read this page..:confused:

Mercury needs to get caught!

If we go back to Greek mythology again, we find that Mercury was the middleman between Heaven and Earth. How many of us know a middleman? To go further, if Mercury were able to decieve Gods, how easy would it be for Mercury to decieve almost the whole of Mankind for so many thousands of years? OK, decieve may be a hard word. Let us say, he pulled the curtain over or he just made sure the truth was not easy to see... or maybe impossible to see! Unless, the secret was given to them.

If someone who you figured knew, told you that in your so called Periodic table of Elements, a failure was made. Where would you look first, if you knew this had to be fixed?

I know where I would look. But whether I am wrong about Mercury or not, isn't really the main point here. The main point that I would wish to make here is, that there is something missing. When I point to the Periodic table of Elements, it's because it is a base of modern understanding for most of us. Not because Chemistry has anything to do with Alchemy. With that, I hope now, most of you are beginning to believe that Mercury is definetly hiding something or some Element in it... And I am going to call it Gaia! OK

At any rate, nav2010's experiment got this all started and I am trying to keep it going and maybe get a theory going that could explain what he had, that others, that tried were missing. This missing piece of the puzzle that mercury may be hiding in itself is probably Hydrogen and Gaia.

In nav2010's water, there must have been an abundant amount of Gaia molecules. Much more so than Hydrogen2Oxygen. When he introduced Ozone O3, the extra Oxygen molecule would break off in search of its own Hydrogen pair and found only this Gaia molecule which was busy stealing itself a Hydrogen molecule. Booom! OHG! or GHO or OGH or HGO or HOG! Probably HOG, Hydrogen, Oxygen and Gaia.

Since Hydrogen and Oxygen are transparent and Gaia has a metallic shine to it, the water started to build white points and then lines in it, like a classic chain reaction. Soon all of these molecules begin coming together and become closer because they are all the same "three packs" if you will, for lack of a better expression. They also start saving space, to the point where there is no more water in the vessel anymore. All of these molecules have tripled-up and left only a fraction of the volume nav2010 started with, but since nothing was lost and everything was used in this reaction, the weight remained the same.....
In nav2010's reaction, he said he poured half as much water in again, or another 250ml and somewhere along the line it stopped producing. The reason for this is that he was using O3 water. Not water that had an abundance of Gaia molecules. This extra Oxygen molecule could only find those Gaia molecules that were left, because somehow there were some left and they were indeed grateful for these new Hydrogen molecules that were again poured into the batch. This process began anew, until there were no more loose Gaia molecules left and then stopped...

So, that is were we are at.... It sounds perfectly logical, to me.... The question remains, where can we collect this Gaia water. Now bear in mind, this is all still theory. But given that this is true, and Gaia molecules blankets all bodies of water. Take us maybe a plastic straw and it cut down to an inch or maybe less. Dip the end of the straw in the water you suspect has an abundance of Gaia on the surface and only off the surface, take a drop off. Collect these droplets in a glass beaker.

Skiiiiip! Hey! That is a lot of work! And your right! There may be an easier way. But I'm kind of fraid to do it... And I don't have enough, because in Germany Mercury is a controlled substance. It is illegal to have anything more than a thermometer!

But given this theory that Mercury is now HG, or Hydrogen/Gaia. What would be the missing link! Oxygen right?

I have just bought an Ozone generator for around 30 bucks. If I had 50ml of Mercury, I would take the stone bubbler and dip it down into the Mercury and turn on the juice. If the Mercury turns shiny white.... Theory proved!
But because of my legal problem here, I am going to have to stick to the Straw:(

Thanks again for your patience with me, this is my theory. If you know that this is not possible, then hopefully my story was at least entertaining. I'll call Stan Lee and give him this mess, maybe he can do something with it!:cool:

Ciao bello!
Skipper signing off
 

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P.S. @Bellsprout: The flask weighed the same with a much lesser volume. He started with over 500 ml and ended up with a little over 50ml. Less volume, same weight!

I know. What I was wondering was whether any of the other people who've managed to partly replicate Nav's result (Zoas and Ghetto Alchemist possibly, don't remember who else off-hand), to the extent of getting water that's smaller in volume and thicker than it started out, have observed that the density of the water changed/the weight didn't get less or not as much as the volume did.

The density seems like a particularly startling feature of Nav's account. That's a specific gravity of around 10 - higher than iodine (4.93), nearly as high as mercury (13.56).

Gaia particles are not chemical elements. They are quasi particles. Closer in nature to a photon than a metallic gas. Chemistry is not Alchemy, and never will be.
Any particular evidence for saying that Gaia particles are closer to a photon than a metallic gas? (Not saying that they necessarily aren't, just curious).

Skipper, some of the things you've said that appear to refer to normal chemistry aren't how normal chemistry works (e.g. some of the things you've called "molecules" possibly aren't molecules), and that's not the usual explanation of how the word "Hydrargyrum" is put together, either. I don't know whether you want to know, since your theory may not rely all that much on normal chemistry, but I could explain more if you like.

Regarding ways of getting water with a higher concentration of Gaia particles in it, there's a list of a few things that Ghetto Alchemist thought might do that in another thread,
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?6563-HIM . Might be some use to you.
 

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@ Bellsprout: Thanks for the feedback, your last comment and the link you sent me were totally relevant and usefull. I can see now I have some idea of what I am talking about, but GA put it together much more explicitly. However some of the anamollies and phenomenons he described were in some cases in too high an explaination class for my educational level. However, that was a totally relevant reading and was the missing link in my theory.

I won't delete anything that I have written so far on this, because my theory that something is missing is still a fact. I still believe Mercury is the culprit!

However, GAlchemist's descression as to where to find it, is quite honorable and understandable. I should maybe follow his lead. But since I've already implyed Mercury, it may be too late. On the other hand, I could be all wrong and mercury is a complete element with no hidden values in it. In that case... maybe you could explain more to me on that account!

I value your feedback, you were very constructive in your last post. Yours are the kind of comments that make this Forum so valuable!

This thread on Ozone is also a good line of attack and I thank nav2010 for his revelation around his experiences with this. A good reason why I would love to keep this going for a while. In hopes that he would rejoin this beauty that he started here...

With that said, I bought an Ozone generator and have a water of suspect that I'm using it on. The water turned almost immediatly brown in some places. In some places it is still clear, like on the sides... It is peculiar. The telltale scent of Chlor was in the air and in the flask I was using to inject the Ozone, a white cloud of vapour formed over the water as well. The amount of water was very little, maybe 100 ml. This water of suspect has gone through alot of treatment by me and I lost alot during the process. I used this flat bottomed reciever and had to tip it on the side to get the bubbler completely submerged. I have other water of suspect, but they need to be prepared first.
I turned my water bath temp. up to 40° C. and poured this brownish water into another flask with glass joints and clasps, in hopes for a perfect seal, within seconds of preparation and placed it in the waterbath. Since then, (maybe 18 hrs ago) I haven't seen any changes, except that there are air bubbles still unaffected in the water. By the way, the white cloud of vapour remained in the original flask that I started with and I think that was extra Ozone :confused:, don't know.
I am not seeing any similiar reactions that nav2010 had described as yet, maybe the amount of water is the reason..
Any suggestions?
 

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts and understandings with us Skipper.
I sincerely hope you're able to come up with something to totally describe all these kinds of miracles.
If you do so, then nobody will be happier about it than myself.
I've always wanted for somebody to step up and blow the lid off this for the world to see.

Some of what you wrote has already got me remembering stuff.
IMO indeed there are gaia particles attached to natural mercury sulfide (aka cinnabar) and this is the 'secret sauce' behind the geode method.
I just assumed they're in natural cinnabar due to the same rules that enable them to exist in pretty much any kind of salt.
Although I do confess that I have no idea how they would come to be in natural cinnabar in the first place.

On that topic, IMO another substance which holds gaia particles is Calcium Oxide (aka portland cement).
There's an experiment often mentioned in the cold fusion community where portland cement is mixed with heavy water and neutrons are emitted while it sets.
IMO the underlying cause is the high energy reaction between the gaia particle and deuterium nucleus.
The reason portland cement contains HIM is because it's made from limestone, which is the fossilised remains of former living organisms.

But of course IMO, the best source of all for gaia particles is in the groundwater which slowly passes through underground limestone.
And Nav clearly described using spring water, and natural creek water collected near the source.

Anyway just to remind you, whatever you come up with needs to explain:
- why Nav simply performed electrolysis on distilled water, and ended up with a totally different substance after simply incubating the result.
- why Nav's electrolysed water reduces volume by 90% but still maintains the starting weight.
- why Nav's oil substance can dissolve silver metal at room temperature.
(The only substance I'm aware of which can dissolve silver metal is nitric acid, but even that requires elevated temperature.)

My own understanding is that Nav's water must have been LOADED with gaia particles.
The oxygen produced during electrolysis puts a nice big torsion spin on them.
I don't understand why sealed incubation has any effect, but I accept it none-the-less.
The final result appears as though the gaia particles transmuted every single molecule of water into another completely different substance.

Skipper, you alluded to seeing Nav's substance described in other alchemy texts, and I totally agree.
Sergio (contact of N-I-C-K C-O-L-L-E-T-T-E) described a very similar substance to Nav's which he called mercury simplex:
metallic and dense, but no metallic lustre.
White like snow
fluid like mercury, but less dense. More dense than silver
always is liquid, but sublimes on sunlight
in darkness, is bright like flourescent bulb
boils @ 35-40 degrees Celcius
gentle heat will also cause it to sublime
perfect white color from perfect white metal
heavy like lead, but without lead
temperature soft like human body.
Only heat enough to sublime mercury
and form circle like ouroboros
ascending and descending on circle.
 
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Let's blow the lid off of this!

Some pretty cool remarks from you GA! Thanks up front!
@you GA....
With that, I'm gonna have to query you on all this. Get ready, we could be going somewhere with this now...
It has to do with what I have learned in the past 20 odd years with this and what you have learned in your participation, which could be more. Be that as it may. I have to question/query you on this matter, with this Gaia matter to be explicit...
Is this Gaia particle in your eyes and understanding, with all its curiositys, manifestations and in some form miraculous peculiaralitys, in your eyes, in your belief and understanding... a living material or matter?

Because if you really think so, then I have an idea...

The Sages let something loose on this. I don't know if it was by design or a mistake on their part, but I think it was the former...

Do you know what industrial Sal Ammoniac is... of course, stupid question. But I am writing out of feeling at this point and this material is something that I read about, from the Sages... They said they could make a living Sal Ammoniac, because the industrial sort is stone dead!

I don't know if this is the key, but any sort of element that expresses this sort of living quality, must have "the secret sauce" in it....

If this Gaia particle is the ingredient needed to make these elements so lively, we need to use this angle of attack as an expressed "can opener"!

I guess I'll have to open up a bit, on my part... Which many may have already realized, but have kept to themselves up till now... I want to thank all of you "up front".

I have choosen the "Wet path", which means I really think "Pee pee" is a good and safe way to achieve "the Stone". It's long and tedious and for some ridiculously wrong! But it is the most sure way to get at "living Sal Ammoniac"...

The Sages gave this secret away! I need to find this passage again, but it has always been in the back of my mind. And it was one of the first things that I discovered while working with this matter. Some 20 odd years ago...

Since then, your paper on Gaia particles that I was directed to from Bellsprout and what you wrote here... Things are coming together in my head... and I've come up with an idea.

Collect as much living Sal Ammonia as you wish, put it together with your destilled water and pump 03 in it, to see if we can get the same reaction as nav2010 did... It all has to do with the "Our Mercury" in the beginning. Without it, nothing can be started. It has to be as simple as womens work or childs play. That is pretty simple. Think simple and let nature do the rest...

What do you think about that GA?

When this "Our Mercury", like nav2010 achieved is perfectly found again... Then the rest can be found later... This stuff can disolve Gold better than royal water...
 

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It has been 18 hrs., since I wrote my last reply above, but I have something else important to say. The Sages have always talked about this "Our Mercury" as if they were giving some great secret away, when if fact they were talking about something else. They never really wanted to tell us all, because they didn't want to be responsible for any accidents that may have led to death or serious injury once "We" would have discovered "their" glorious secret. They would imply that they didn't want to throw something sacred or precious off in a "Hog pen" or to the "Schweine", (Swines).

If we, through exactly this Thread that Nav started, figured out a way to get at just that what he had describe... Be advised; This stuff, this discovery is dangerous... in some way. The Sages said they made a pledge to not give this secret away to the unworthy, to God! Which, when you think about it and you have it in your hot little hands, realize that you have a great responsibilty. They! The Sages! Realized they had a responsibility! These were at heart good men and knowlegeable, to not let "wannabe's" try this and end up hurting or even killing themselves... Know what you need to do next! Don't fucking play with it, like nav2010 described he was doing with it! It is not as yet stable... It will eat any and everything except Glass, for some curious reason. Before you feed it with what it is looking for, you are playing with fire!

From what I have read and understand, what nav2010 had described that he has, shouldn't be fed with ordinary base metals or plastics and the like. Afterwards it could prove to be useless! It needs and wants Gold. How much per quantum??? I am not sure. I need to go back to my literature on this. But Gold will stabalize it so it can be handled. The word "handled" sticks in my mind from something I read long ago...

Whether my idea above is a good way to get at it, still needs to be tested. But if Nav2010, really did get his "Our Mercury" the way he describe it to us, then we are dangerously close to blowing the lid off of this secret.. Beware! Be responsible...
 

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Skipper:
@you GA....
Is this Gaia particle in your eyes and understanding, with all its curiositys, manifestations and in some form miraculous peculiaralitys, in your eyes, in your belief and understanding... a living material or matter?
Such a simple question, yet I don't have an answer.
To say the thing that makes all life possible is a living thing itself feels like trying to shoehorn a definition of something unknowable.
But, yes, I agree with you that the gaia particle is the underlying cause of things.

Skipper:
Do you know what industrial Sal Ammoniac is... of course, stupid question.
Actually I didn't know what sal ammoniac is, and had to look it up just now.
It made me realise that I know basically nothing about ammonia chemistry from both the scientific and alchemical understanding.
So on this topic, you're the man.

Skipper:
Things are coming together in my head... and I've come up with an idea.
Collect as much living Sal Ammonia as you wish, put it together with your destilled water and pump 03 in it, to see if we can get the same reaction as nav2010 did...
What do you think about that GA?

Assuming that by distilled water, you're mean distilled HIM water, then I'd expect that you'll make a sal ammoniac solution with a bit of a life-force kick.
That might be something you could work further with, again I don't know.
What do you think?

Skipper:
When this "Our Mercury", like nav2010 achieved is perfectly found again... Then the rest can be found later...
I think the problem with trying to replicate and reverse engineer Nav's results is that we don't know where he lives to get the same stream water that he collected from his immediate environment.
I reckon it's probably somewhere around Colorado USA, where the concentration of gaia particles in the water (and surrounding air) is super high.
But even being able to surmise his location doesn't help much....how are we going to collect spring water from Colorado to try to replicate?

However I do believe you're right, that eventually we'll find it all out.
Hopefully you'll be the one to come up with the next key.

On a related note.
Tesla chose to move his lab to Colorado Springs because he knew that the town had the most lightning strikes of any place, and he wanted to tap into whichever unseen energy was the underlying cause of the lightning.
Since he was later able to produce ball lightning in his Colorado Springs lab, I'd say he made some headway there.

Skipper:
This stuff, this discovery is dangerous... in some way. The Sages said they made a pledge to not give this secret away to the unworthy, to God! Which, when you think about it and you have it in your hot little hands, realize that you have a great responsibilty. They! The Sages! Realized they had a responsibility!
Prior to WW2, Fulcanelli appeared to a scientist and warned him that unlocking the secrets of the atom would potentially lead to world destruction.
He basically said that it had already happened in the past and this was the reason the sages protected their secrets.
Fulcanelli was also said to have performed several transmutations in front of scientists, one was a transmutation to uranium metal!!!
The secrecy of the sages takes on a whole new light when viewed as a way of preventing proliferation of nuclear weapons capability into the clutches of evil men.

Skipper:
It needs and wants Gold. How much per quantum??? I am not sure.
Gold is pretty expensive. Where are we gonna get it from?
Maybe you can try asking Scrooge for some.
I'd suggest go with silver in the meantime, it's far cheaper and it's what Nav used anyway.

Thinking about this stuff hurts my poor head Skipper.
Please break it open already.
 

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OK, this is my plan



There are three main ingredients: Salt, Sulpher and Mercury

Making the Salt= Putrifiying Urin until a white cloud forms in the glass. 1-3 Months. Destill the entire amount until it is dry and it will collect in the spout at the end of the destillation. Collect this and repurify. This is only a small amount, so you will need to repeat this. The Urin should be collected during the full moons of March to May. I recommend around 7-8 Liters for a good harvest. You will only get around a half a liter at a time, so you might want to try and get help from relatives or off-spring between the ages of 13 and 18 yrs (growing ages).

Making the Sulpher= Once the Mercury is made, it will disolve Gold. This Gold should disolve immediatly and expand into a brownish/yellow residue of powder and reside in the bottom of the glass, Collect this and dry it out. Be careful, this mercury eats plastic and burns skin. Decant the mercury off in another clean container until the Gold powder shows up and evaporate the rest with a little heat.

Making the Mercury?? = Needed is a special destillate of living water. A portion of Our Salt and an O3 Generator are required. Once these two are mixed and the O3 is operating, it will foam up. Turn off the generator as soon as the foam is too much. Repeat this process until a white cloud forms over this, in the reciever. I am using a large mouth, flat bottom reciever for this and filling it to 1/3. Once the foam has resided and the cloud has formed, cap this and put it on a low heat (incubation). The mercury will begin to form. Losing its quantity and holding its weight and has a very white color...

Now once and IF you have these three ingredients, this is what should come next. The Mercury is a very heavy white liquid and quite reactive/volatale. The Sal ammoniac is mixed with the Sulpher first, one part Sulpher to ten parts Salt. Then the Mercury is slowly added until a thick wax is formed. Our Mercury doesn't like to mix with anything other than these two, when together. Taking a portion of this (using nothing metallic), on a ceramic crucible and heating this will show the wax to flow. When it cools, it retains its composition it had before it was heated. Regardless of the heat, it should not smoke and should not have any extreme vapour coming off of it. Similar to melting metal.
Now taking this mix, put it into a strong glass reciever that can be hermetically sealed and heat this with the strength of an egg incubator. Around 39° C.

The great work has begun.

OK; That is at least the Plan. Realize here, that one needs a vivid imagination to be able to perform something that one has never done before in life. I am still working on this and it takes time to get at these quantities needed, especially the Salt. But when it does, I believe it will happen very close to what I have described above... If nothing else, it corresponds to everything I have ever read from the Sages on this work and it is at least a very good inspiring read... However, getting these three ingredients in almost every case costs a bit of time and patience. Getting the Sulpher may be only the easiest, but make sure the gold is quite pure. If you like panning for gold in themtherehills, a gold nugget will do just fine. But finding this living water for the mercury may be a stumbling block. I don't live in Colorado where the bench water runs through limestone like Nav2020 may have, but I think that the destillate of Urin will work if you cohobate that water until it smells sweet. I have some already...

Wish me luck!:rolleyes:
 
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Hey Guys,

I observed something that I have noticed my entire life but thought i would mention it as intuitively it applies to the gaia particle concept.

Where I live, it is quite cold (kirkland lake, ontario) look it up if you will.
On a Sunny day if you sit in the snow so that you are able to look at the snowcover (ground) in front of you from a lesser angle of approach (closer to the ground) you will easily notice~ especially if you allow your eyes to defocus off any particular place that there are bright, shining "specs" that dance in the air and appear to be coming from the interaction of the snow and the sunlight.

The cannon response I expect for the non-supernatural minded is "relfected light via high albedo of snow and ice". The problem is, reflected light does not generally occur in a dancing, particulate and wiggly form of light. (Literally light particles, dancing around all throughout the air.)

I think of this as sublimation plus, not only is the snow skipping the liquid phase (-30 degrees centigrade) and going straight to a gas but it is also being charged by the sunlight on impact and creating (to me) an exotic state which seems to just hover around the generation site (snow cover) as it is being bombarded.

Anyways, I have noticed this many times throughout my life but never thought of it as "him" or gaia particles. I did sit my three year old daughter down and asked if she can see it. She said Yes, so I said "Ry that's God." Well she deserved a better explanation than this but she is only three so it will have to wait.

I just wanted to throw this observation in here, take of it what you will..

It has implications for springtime and melt water and the corresponding growth and regeneration of the natural world. We get many of these exotic subliming snow days in march and april.

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Structured water, animated by Him, dancing in the wind. Same as us. And everything else.
 

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Sorry to derail the thread,

I find this topic quite interesting though to be honest the idea of creating a white heavy liquid that eats through any metal and that can be applied to growths and Burn them is something that I am not going to apply in my current situation. Has anyone ever considered that negatively charged waters with negative orp are non-or anti-oxidizing.
Oxygen in h2o carries the negative charge, hence if you ever have a hydroxide it will carry a strong negative charge and is strongly basic or Caustic, makes me think of Chau (HOT), these can be paired with a salt in solid form, (Sodium hydroxide) etc

If you evaporate slowly water that has been fermented you get an alkaline "fire of water" and your less volatile waters become steadily more acidic. I think Black made note of this in another thread. (archaeus of water) If you recombine these extremes you get a reaction and fermentation. Interesting results follow.

You can use basic solutions to accelerate the fermentation of a substance. I have experienced this with urine, the white cloudy substance that forms from leaving sit in a jar for days and weeks can be formed instantly using a basic solution i.e. sodium hydroxide lye or potash lye and heating it gently. (same process as ormus.)

I think this is related to stones that can be produced using gur and spirit. Same principle at play. I am thinking of the test-tube instructions to have a gur 1/3 the volume and 2/3 air and incubate. After it goes through the colors I think you could add your fire to repeat the procedure with fresh air. (Have not tried yet, do not take my word for it.)

I think the purported effects of oxygen and ozone could be due to this negative charge or anti oxidizing potential. But because it is aggressive, inhaling ozone or ingesting these substances can be hard on the body. it needs to be diluted.

The implications are, you need to find a natural source of water, potable with a negative ORP or figure out how to make one. Or eat appropriately and your own body produces a water like this.

Just some random thoughts about the thread.
ORP meters are not too expensive, Hannah makes one for about 100 dollars which does not need to be calibrated reguarly. If you subject it to abuse and extreme conditions it will not last forever but if just using to test your water source for suitability.. might be worth it.

Would probably be good as Ghettoalchemist has mentioned to use these waters to obtain your distilled waters regardless of which experiment you are taking, jacob ladders (I like that name!) or otherwise.

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Very interesting Jimmy Rig,
And no, I don't feel that you are derailing anything, but rather enriching this Thread. So thanks. By the way, what is an ORP meter... I mean what does ORP mean? Another point is, that this Mercury or this white liquid nav2020 described and in my belief, shouldn't melt all metals perfectly, but does so with Silver and Gold and apparently plastik or rubber. This legendary substance can apparently be handled when it has been prepared properly with Salt and Gold...
However, your parallels seem to fit with the theory here, so keep it up.
 

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Hi Skipper,

In regards to derailing the thread I was refering to my previous posts about structured water, but you are right it is related.
Thank you for your encouragement.
ORP stands for oxygen reduction potential, from my laymen understanding, solutions with a negative ORP will inhibit oxidization where as a positive ORP value will enhance oxidization. i.e. if you put a nail in a solution with high ORP this would likely rust quickly. (good for breakdown of materials, the opposite is good for consolidation.)
A negative ORP would preserve the nail.

Interestingly, the surface of the earth is negatively charged which is apparently cause for the benefits gained via grounding (bare foot contact).

I would imagine that too much in either direction is not great. But what do I know haha
 

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Making the Mercury?? = Needed is a special distillate of living water.
Hi Skipper

The capture of Our Mercury is the most important first step for any Alchemist aspiring
to pry open the door into the Great Work.

Originally Posted by ghetto alchemist
I think the problem with trying to replicate and reverse engineer Nav's results is that we don't know where he lives to get the same stream water that he collected from his immediate environment.
I reckon it's probably somewhere around Colorado USA, where the concentration of gaia particles in the water (and surrounding air) is super high.
But even being able to surmise his location doesn't help much....how are we going to collect spring water from Colorado to try to replicate?

Here is a recent post from Merovee about rivers containing the "Him".

Originally Posted by Merovee
Once more from the water: don't be misled, without the ordinary, sweet, and living water
(of the Jordan) We Cannot do the Work, and a true alchemist should know that.

Flamel points this out to us when he speaks of doing as Naaman did, whom the prophet told to wash seven times in the Jordan to cure his leprosy

(the partly underground river Alpheios is also mentioned, which served Heracles for the cleaning of the stables).
I do believe these rivers still flow today, but to be able to find these secret hidden rivers we may have to ask the "all Knowing" for the ability to read between the lines of our old alchemic masters writings.:)
 

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I do believe these rivers still flow today, but to be able to find these secret hidden rivers we may have to ask the "all Knowing" for the ability to read between the lines of our old alchemic masters writings.

No doubt they still do flow and God willing some may find them. I suspect it is likely that one will not be told by another that they have found the river.
 

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Hi Jimmy

No doubt they still do flow and God willing some may find them. I suspect it is likely that one will not be told by another that they have found the river.
That river may well be found at the end of the road less traveled. ;)
 

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hey nav2010

Lots of us tried this method, some had some results, others not so much. But above all lots of us had lots of questions, or Why's!
Can you clarify your process regarding Ozone?

All the best;
C.
 

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hey nav2010

Lots of us tried this method, some had some results, others not so much. But above all lots of us had lots of questions, or Why's!
Can you clarify your process regarding Ozone?

All the best;
C.

Just spotted this question and it took me a few hours to catch up on the thread. Alchemy has humbled me over the past few years, I've changed as a person. I'm not the same nav that came on here 13 years ago, I have more respect for nature and part of the art has gone from within me.
The oils I found no longer interest me, I purchased an ozone machine a few years ago and took it to greater levels but only on the biological side using myself as a guinea pig.
I now talk to god a lot more than I used to, keep fish and don't ask god question I have no right to ask like I used to but I do thank him for what I know now.
Not only was I lucky enough to rid myself of cancer, I've wiped out a few other things too along the way including flu, covid, a water infection and an illness a few weeks ago that I had for a week which had me house bound for a week. I gave my body a week to sort it but it wasn't happening so I prepared a tonic, it was gone in 36 hours and 2 applications.
I think I know how it all works having studied anatomy for a while (well, I hope I know)
It's when ozone breaks down in your body to O2, that's where the truth is - right there.
That's when the magic happens and you can feel it too.
It's the transition period from one entity to other.
Keep digging, believe in it, believe in yourself and do it for the right reason. The key to one door reveals the key to another but you don't have to open all the doors, only those you need and you feel are right.
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