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Ozone as the Prima Materia

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Have you seen the brown scum form before in your own cells?

Yes. My cells slowly corroded and produced brown "scum" which required cleaning. 316L stainless

Seems like you have a lot of experience to offer on this topic. Care to share some more?
What setup of plates did you electrolyse with?
Use pure water, or electrolytes?
What voltages and currents did you work with?
Did you ever see any anomalous effects?

I only have experience with hho production and ozone production via air/arc. Nothing exotic.
Numerous plate setups.
Distilled as well as a couple of different electrolytes in many concentrations.
3-180v 20A on 12v and around 5-6A on 120v with 180v spikes.
No anomalous effects, but I only played with brute force electrolysis like everyone in this thread.

I've tried the Joe cell type orgone conditioning, and the setup in this thread, unsuccessfully...but don't let me deter you!
Check out Vernon Roth and George Wiseman's comments on strange manifestations in hho cells.

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I've seen it sometimes and interpreted it as electrode corrosion. What do "HHO guys" think about it? My opinion is that it is nothing but corrosion, but sometimes nature works in mysterious ways.

The brown stuff... We are all getting it.
It doesn't look like corrosion to me.

I still have stored the results of my first experiments... the brown stuff is still there, but the water is still transparent. Shouldn't the corrosion of steel "stain" the water and give the whole of it a "brownish" tone???

I've just taken this pic:

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It is the bottom of a flask with lots of "brown stuff"... it acts like a phlegm that doesn't dissolve in water and it clearly looks viscous... and it "groups" itself in small shapeless concentrations that don't stick with each other.

I even shacked the flask as if I was doing a cocktail and they float in the water for some hours and then they slowly "fall to the ground" again.

If someone has an idea about how to test what it is, I can for sure put the water in a bowl and dry it and see what happens with the "brown remains". They don't look like the corrosion of steel to me.

EDIT: I've just did a simple test as to have some more hints: I have a strong magnet... the brown stuff is clearly not affected by magnetism (it doesn't interact with the magnet... it's not attracted or repelled to it).
 

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Ah yes....good point.
I neglected to mention that I originally purchased 5 bowls, all different diameters. The largest bowl was completely free of magnetism, the other 4 had a bit of magnetism. The 2 smallest bowls were thrown into a really hot coal fire for 3-5 mins and air cooled, then lightly sanded to remove most of the rainbow oxide on them. This removed most of the magnetism, and those are the 3 bowls that I'm using (the 2 small bowls plus the biggest bowl).

The other 2 bowls (3rd and 4th biggest) were too big and couldn't get hot enough from being placed in coals. With those 2, I surrounded them with loads of wood and did a solid burn, periodicly rotating them, and adding more wood. This removed their magnetism in some places only, and left them with a very thick black oxide coating almost too difficult to remove. Because of their residual magnetism I didn't bother to use them.


What would I have to do to make the water toxic? I connected negative lead to center, and positive lead to outside. Are you saying if the leads are swapped that it will produce a toxic water?

Seems like you have some experience with this stuff...would you care to share some more?

hello..
yes quench is a bit of a bitch, this is way i like to degausse, as quenching "make the steel charry red and then dip it in oil to cool it very quickly", this breaks the crystal latise of the SS and so will become non magnetic, but it can also couse the steel to decarbonate, and form chromium carbite at the outside of the steel,, IE the Black stuff, making the steel useless, degausing is way more simpel but less effective..
a bit on the charges, as far as i figured out.

N- cleans water and gives a cold water "crapp will drop to bottom"
N+ cleans water and gives warm water "crapp will flowed to top"

S- makes water more dirty "clone" and makes it a dead cold
S+ makes water more dirty "clone" and heats water up to a dead wormth

not drink south waters only drink north waters. :)
ps this is not about HHO production its about magnetic field effects in water, changing the water..

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If someone has an idea about how to test what it is, I can for sure put the water in a bowl and dry it and see what happens with the "brown remains". They don't look like the corrosion of steel to me.
Try with copper or other inert electrodes, probably it will not form or will have different color (e.g. copper hydroxide).
 

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I've just did a simple test as to have some more hints: I have a strong magnet... the brown stuff is clearly not affected by magnetism (it doesn't interact with the magnet... it's not attracted or repelled to it).

Only metallic iron is ferromagnetic. I think hematite might be also, but very very weak. Also magnetite of course.
Most iron compounds/salts won't react to a standard permanent magnet.
You could probably dissolve the brown precipitate in hcl and test for the iron/chromium/nickel.
Unless you have iron hydroxides, which may be difficult to dissolve.
I'm not sure what agents you would use...other members here are better with chemistry.
 

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You could probably dissolve the brown precipitate in hcl and test for the iron/chromium/nickel.
Unless you have iron hydroxides, which may be difficult to dissolve.
Well, just checked, it dissolves fine and shows positive for iron if you do this test.

With great certainty, it is iron but this was pretty obvious from the beginning I think.
 

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I would love to write up one of my smart arse post's and continue this epic voyage of replications; but unfortunately, the session of my ego is shortly coming to a close... Therefore i will, in the depths of my humility.. share with you, what has been shown to me via revelation from The Lord, concerning the NavMundi...

Nav was indeed pious IMHO in his explanation and the sharing of his technique. It is MHO that none of the experiments performed in an attempt to replicate the NavMundi (For i believe this to contain a great Celestial Fire, possibly one of the strongest of all magnets.) ...were very well orientated to creating the desired effects, but rather, that the group has dug deep into paths of electrical variables, without focusing on the core hypothesis, which was to create and trap ozone, with a glass container, hermetically sealed, and mildly incubated.

The creation of ozone... within the context of what we are refering to in this situation... is only generated through the oxygen bubbles, created from the electrolysis, being exposed to UV radiation, of a particular wavelength in particular which escapes my memory right now.. but that creates a change in electronic configuration, with the end cause being the creation of ozone.

You must use, the suns rays in the summer/spring, angled towards the bubbles of oxygen, created by electrolysis in distilled water , using either stainless steel or platinum electrodes, in order to create the ozone which you seek. (Obtaining a commercial UV light with the desired wavelength proved to be very difficult ((IN AUSTRALIA)))

The brown precipitate is likely to be alchemically prepared amino acids, which is natures general reaction to electrolysis and water (this effect has boggled biologists for quite some time.)

Magnets... neodymium magnets extracted from computer harddrives will work well, placed at the TOP of the water container, (and pointing downward) will propell oxygen to the surface, and ozone downward into the water.

This is due to the paramagnetics of oxygen and the diamagnetics of ozone.

Also: the magnets help the distilled water to begin reacting and creating oxygen. It increases the waters electromagnetic potential, so even distilled water, can be a little more conductive.

Magnets and the Sun people... which Nav did share softly, and which i also encouraged the group with, but to no acknowledged avail.

A summery: The electronics in discussion are not the principal variable that need be discussed, it is the wavelength of UV radiation on pure oxygen that is the principal focus. Of which focus, should be done with a magnifying glass ;)

I wish the best to all seekers of the truth.
 

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Thanks for that, it was worth waiting for.

About the magnet, would polarity matter?
Eg south pole, better than north pole?
 

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Interesting.

I still have my flasks stored in a shelve... which catches some of the sun rays during the morning (dawn till 10 or 11 am).
The "quick" effects didn't happen.

What happed is:
-The LUTED flasks melted and became a single piece (I can't open them anymore). The water didn't seem to change though.

-The NON LUTED flasks are currently filled with more or less 1/8 of water and 7/8 of something that looks like a "vanilla milkshake", but it does NOT act like an alkahest, it floats on water, it's not more volatile than water is.... but it's clearly white and absolutely non-transparent (it looks like milk with lots of bubbles). This happened WITHOUT incubation (though I did the 3 days incubation)... but these flasks are as old as this thread is. No "super powers" were detected in the "white stufff" and I have no idea of what it is (I asked a chemist friend who came home to visit and asked him to explain it to me, he said: "as a chemist, I can't offer any kind of explanation, other than it doesn't make sense... it can be a colony of Bacterias, but it's unlikely because they have no *food* there... and it doesn't look like a fungi either, so I have no explanation"). Though other than saying "this is VERY bizarre", I can't say that my "milkshake" has any kind of super special power.

Oh... someone dares to answer some questions? (I'm not testing your knowledge, I don't have an answer myself):

-Why the LUTED flasks melted and the NON-LUTED flasks didn't????

-Could it be that Nav was describing a LONG process and his "3 days" were a trick? (I am getting closer to his results by doing nothing, except for waiting -though I'm far from his results, other than getting the "white thing").
 
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There may be thing easier to work on than ozone, and much more common and readily available. If one understands how these simper things are formed, one can work with any matter whatsoever, because these things one can work with evolve during the processes, and not necessarily from the matter one begins one. All paths thus become viable.

The solar spirit produces a transformation, and this new matter further produces more transformations. At each stage we get complexification, less subtle, more hidden, and a chained manifestation.

We can work with matters at various levels, to work back towards release that initial solar spirit, or we can work on capturing that solar spirit in our own fashion, or we can recreate that solar spirit in the lab. Greatly different timescales in the different processes though.

The best I can tell, some of these processes that are deemed to be alchemical secrets are known about in the general science and chemistry community - but are sectioned off as rarely thought about oddities because there is no real application for the products. My research shows that there is no understood idea of timescales. The word "spontaneously" are often used. My thinking is that as soon as the first seed is formed, it quickly chain reacts, but the methodology of forming that first seed they do not know about. I've read it on this forum many times, and people explain it in their own interesting ways.

It seems I've said opposing things - that IT is contained in the matter and can be brought forth - versus - it is produced by the process and not inherent to the matter. Both these things are true and completely valid.

I think sometimes we are so preconceived with what we imagine the things we are looking for to be, that we completely miss the most simple things. A mystery is a mystery because we do not know it. But at some point it becomes something extravagant, and we give it all the possible qualities that we imagine it should be, to the point where we will cast it aside because "surely it can't be that!". We get caught up in the mystery, and in that search we are only searching through our own illusions.

I think what elixirmixer says above is a "big thing" and we can reduce and simplify it even more, just looking at the most base principles of what he is saying, and remember that we can recreate many aspects of nature in the lab.
 

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There may be thing easier to work on than ozone, and much more common and readily available. If one understands how these simper things are formed, one can work with any matter whatsoever, because these things one can work with evolve during the processes, and not necessarily from the matter one begins one. All paths thus become viable.

(...)

I think sometimes we are so preconceived with what we imagine the things we are looking for to be, that we completely miss the most simple things. A mystery is a mystery because we do not know it. But at some point it becomes something extravagant, and we give it all the possible qualities that we imagine it should be, to the point where we will cast it aside because "surely it can't be that!". We get caught up in the mystery, and in that search we are only searching through our own illusions.

I agree with the first paragraph... I simply decided to give it a try because it was way too easy and something in the procedure attracted me (I can't explain what, but probably the idea of doing something 100% different than anything I've done before -i.e, using electricity).

As for the "myth" and how easy is to get trapped in illusions... hmmm... My attitude with this experiment has always been "let's see what happens" without expecting something specific (to be honest, I got "much more" than what I expected)... and yet the procedures are so "new" and "modern" to me that I'm mostly lost in a different way (not truly lost in "the myth" or "prejudices", but into a simple "So... what is this white thing?").

A transmutation happened, that's something that my eyes see... but it's still uncertain to me if my "white yogurt" has any value (other than not having a clear chemical explanation -that's not MY opinion, but the opinion of a friend who is an excellent chemist and works in a field of chemistry that gets quite close to spagyrics -he works 100% with essential oils to produce flavors and aromas... I always thought that such thing was "evil", but with all his explanation I value what he does -no strange chemicals, only essential oils... and a very ethical person, in the sense that he refuses to work with cheaper options which are unhealthy).

In short: I obtained *something*, but I don't know what this *something* is (I can only describe its properties... and some of them coincide with the descriptions of Nav, but some others don't).

And then there's some questions I can't answer.

i.e, the LUTED flasks became a "single piece" (or melted and the joints fused)... but the water inside doesn't look interesting. I don't want to break them though, so I am investigating how to open them.

The NON-LUTED flasks followed a very different reaction and created this "yogurt", thus I agree with the idea of the importance of the Sun... but I don't know what is what I have inside them.
 

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Hey zoas, what do you mean by the flask "melted"?
Do you just mean the stopper is stuck?
What did you use for luting?

Can we see some pics of the white stuff? Does it have a smell?
 

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Hey zoas, what do you mean by the flask "melted"?
Do you just mean the stopper is stuck?
What did you use for luting?

Can we see some pics of the white stuff? Does it have a smell?

Yes, with melted I mean that the stopper is stuck... this happened in ALL the luted flasks (I have many, since I studied variants of the same thing... I even have a luted and a non luted flask with normal distilled water with NO electrolysis at all as to compare results). Since the experiment was so beyond my usual ways, I had to be more "scientific".

but the flask didn't MELT in the sense that it looks like the clocks of Dalí... but the stopper and the vessel became a single piece of glass... as if they fused/melted with each other.

I used nothing for luting, the flasks are already luted (those dark brown flasks designed to filter UV rays).

Yes, I will posts the pics soon, I'm having an unexpected and somehow serious medical problem right now.

No... I do remember to have smelled something like "bleach" a LONG time ago, but it could have been induced by the comments of others... what I have right now does not have any kind of smell (i.e, no difference in smell with normal water).
 

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Yes, with melted I mean that the stopper is stuck... this happened in ALL the luted flasks (I have many, since I studied variants of the same thing... I even have a luted and a non luted flask with normal distilled water with NO electrolysis at all as to compare results). Since the experiment was so beyond my usual ways, I had to be more "scientific".

but the flask didn't MELT in the sense that it looks like the clocks of Dalí... but the stopper and the vessel became a single piece of glass... as if they fused/melted with each other.

I used nothing for luting, the flasks are already luted (those dark brown flasks designed to filter UV rays).

Yes, I will posts the pics soon, I'm having an unexpected and somehow serious medical problem right now.

No... I do remember to have smelled something like "bleach" a LONG time ago, but it could have been induced by the comments of others... what I have right now does not have any kind of smell (i.e, no difference in smell with normal water).

It seems to me that what happened with the glass stoppers and flasks is just some kind of "seizure" (to use common lab lingo for when ground glass stoppers/adapters become "stuck"):

 

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...in the summer time...

Okay people, I know you've all been waiting for it.

ELIXERMIXERS NAV2010 REVIVAL!

Now I am choosing to take this in a little bit more of a philosophic approach. Im not really so much interested in Nav's machine, and his design ect... as I am, replicating his results.

We are looking for a water, that will shrink in size over 5 times, turn a ghosty transparent white, and maintain its first weight.

Now, if memory serves me correctly, Nav basically said "here's my design", but I don't think he actually told you what he was doing. Arguments broke out real real quickly and I don't think he was too interested to give away the secret to people who where swining away his pearls.

So, THIS will be the experiment that I will perform.

Close quarters electrolysis, for 5 mins, in the sunlight, and using a magnifying glass, I am going to aim concentrated sunlight at the oxygen bubbles during the five minutes of electrolysis.

I will also be using neodymium magnets to encourage a migration of the ozone downward, so as to have more hope in capturing it.

I'm not doing the experiment straight away, but I will get prepared for a kick off in about two weeks. Next week i'm finishing off my giant essential oils extractor :cool:
 

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Ozone can produce nitric acid or nitric oxide, producing corrosive effects on the apparatus used to treat water with ozone.
 

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Hello guys!
I´ve been reading this post and its interesting...

I tried the experiment for the first time, and in my glass appears a little brown "spots"... when i shake it it looks better...

zoas23,
in one of your vessels appears this "brown things", right?
Sorry for my english, but I cant understand very well when you referred to "LUTED FLASK and NON LUTED FLASK"... can you tell me in spanish what do you mean with those words, please...
Did you tried the experiment a second time...?
I hope you can answer me...

I´ll try for a second time...
 

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zoas23, in one of your vessels appears this "brown things", right?

In ALL of them actually. I've heard it's iron oxide, but it does not make a lot of sense to me since I always used stainless steel.
(though I think that MOST people got the same "brown stuff").

Sorry for my english, but I cant understand very well when you referred to "LUTED FLASK and NON LUTED FLASK"... can you tell me in spanish what do you mean with those words, please... Did you tried the experiment a second time...? I hope you can answer me...

English is not my first language, so I think I got confused with the expression.
When I wrote "luted flask" I meant "amber flasks" (frascos ámbar / marrones).
When I wrote "non luted", I meant "transparent flasks" (frascos transparentes.... en los dos casos SIEMPRE usé frascos con boca esmerilada y tapón de vidrio).

The amber flasks protect what is inside from the UV rays, the transparent ones do not.
What happened next in the amber ones and in the transparent ones is VERY different.

Amber = not much noticeable action, but the glass joints "melted" with the flasks and they became impossible to open.
Transparent = a FEW of the effects described by Nav happened, but only a FEW (water that vanishes, it becomes white for some time -though after a LONG time... it becomes transparent again later). In my case it was NEVER corrosive or even slightly corrosive... It was for sure NOT a "pure Spiritus Mundi" (having seen both things, I can say that what I got was not such thing, maybe a very diluted Spiritus Mundi, but somehow useless... there are other ways to get it with by far more purity -IF such water was a diluted Spiritus*, which I honestly don't know).

*Yes, water is in itself a diluted spiritus, but I meant that I do not know if the concentration increased or not. If it did, it was not significant.

And, yes, I tried the experiment more than a "second time"... I had (and still have) everything that was needed, so I did it a LOT of times with different variations (sunlight, darkness, moon... 37ºC, 27ºC, 40ºC... 5 minutes of electrolysis, 15 minutes, 2 hours, etc... these variations did not give me any noticeable change).

I completely gave up trying with this method, some curious things happened, but I would call them "curiosities". I never got what Nav claimed to have reached.
I decided to stop because I did not understand the PHILOSOPHY behind this idea, so my variations were always quite "scientific" (as to give it a name)... i.e, making lots of variations changing factors and seeing what happens (and even keeping a non-electrolyzed water as a "sample" to see the differences).

I am unable to say "this is completely useless" or "Nav was not telling the truth"... BUT if he was honest, then I'd say that I never got what he got using this method (and then I learnt absolutely different methods which proved to be more useful and very unrelated to this one, so I decided to stick to these other ones).

Unless I have an "electrical epiphany" (LOL), I doubt I will do this thing again.
 

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First of all, thank you zoas 23 for your answer and the details. I hope you can help me a little bit...

Yes, I have the same "brown stuff".
Thanks for the explanation of the luted and non luted flask...


And now the water of the Experiment #1 is in the "plain" vessel and the "luted" vessel... whilst the water of the Experiment #2 is in the "decorated" vessel and in the blue vessel. The four of them are on a hot plate set at 37ºC...
* Did you always keep the temperature of the flasks with this hot plate?
* How this hot plate had the 37 C? with fire (gas) or electrical? it was like a grill?
* How did you measure the temperature of the liquid inside the flask (without open the flask)?

I ask you because I keep the temperature with a light bulb... I puted the flask in a jar with water... and before the first attempt, I measure the temperature of the water of the jar, the flask, the room temperature and the liquid inside the flask and all are different temperatures (until I reached the same between the jar´s water and the water inside the flask).
Maybe its obvious the different temperatures, but my point is that maybe you puted the hot plate in 37 grades but the liquid inside the flask had another temperature... Or just the bottom had the temperature...

* Did you shake the flask to stabilize the temperature?

I used a power supply of 12 volts and 1 amp.
* I saw that you used a power supply, right? Whats the voltage and amperage of that power supply?

I made 3 electrolysis, one after another. When I made the first I saw the bubbles, but when I made the second I almost did not see bubbles (I threw out the water)...
Before the 3rd electrolysis I washed the stainless steel plates, and then the bubbles appeared again...
* Did you washed your plates in every electrolysis?


I hope you do not disturb with many questions...
I´ll try for a second chance, using your answers to try another path...

I´ll report my results too...

zoas23 thank you for your support!
 

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Hello to all,
Very interesting thread... first of all Nav2010 obviously (to me) created "our mercury". Secondly, he still needs to develop it.... This "white liquid" that doesn't wet the hand needs to be put together again with "its" earth. A white salt. Give it enough that it is saturated and when put on a hot plate, it runs like hot wax. It does not smoke. When it cools, it conforms to its original form and consistancy. Then, put it into a long necked flask and seal it properly on a heat like that, that would incubate eggs. Around 37°-40° C. Now you wait..... It should start to turn jet black in the beginning. This is the sign that all alchemist were looking for. Then it goes through all the colors, including peacock, until finally turning white... But they say, that this is not the end. You must turn the heat up to the next level (unsure.. maybe doubled or more) and it shows all the colors like before and then turns a citrone or yellow, but continue to wait and turn the heat up to its highest level (??? don't know). Then in turns red (blood red and luminous). This is the final product.

How you get the right water (don't know)
How you get the right earth (don't know)
How you get the right starting material (don't know)

However, you will need "our Mercury" to be able to do anything.. And thanks to nav2010 achievement at least "he can".... But he still needs the earth and this white salt...
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d85OX6yEwE0"
Go to this link and watch this video...
Here is my tip.... The stainless steel wool pads and the sock is a good start, but it is not in the gas that he is producing that is important, it's the water! Take this water and seal it up quickly like nav2010 explained once it has reached a temp of 37°, put in a water bath with a lid to keep the direct sunlight or direct light at all out of this equation and watch it happen.

Good luck
 
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Give it enough that it is saturated and when put on a hot plate, it runs like hot wax. It does not smoke. When it cools, it conforms to its original form and consistancy. Then, put it into a long necked flask and seal it properly on a heat like that, that would incubate eggs. Around 37°-40° C.

The process of making a 'salt that runs like hot wax' is strikingly similar to certain salt-volatilization processes, don't you think?

Now you wait..... It should start to turn jet black in the beginning. This is the sign that all alchemist were looking for. Then it goes through all the colors, including peacock, until finally turning white... But they say, that this is not the end. You must turn the heat up to the next level (unsure.. maybe doubled or more) and it shows all the colors like before and then turns a citrone or yellow, but continue to wait and turn the heat up to its highest level (??? don't know). Then in turns red (blood red and luminous). This is the final product.

What exactly would be turning black in the flask? I've done numerous experiments with water + salt digestions and all of them end up staying relatively the same as well I started.

I personally think there is something else needed for the 'salt that runs like wax' to work on before any color changes happen.

How you get the right water (don't know)
How you get the right earth (don't know)
How you get the right starting material (don't know)

The labyrinth of the alchemists right there! :p

Go to this link and watch this video [. . .]
Here is my tip.... The stainless steel wool pads and the sock is a good start, but it is not in the gas that he is producing that is important, it's the water! Take this water and seal it up quickly like nav2010 explained once it has reached a temp of 37°, put in a water bath with a lid to keep the direct sunlight or direct light at all out of this equation and watch it happen.

If you get around to trying this out, let us know! :)
 

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A little background about myself, before we get technical

Hi Kiorionis,
I said earlier, that I did'nt know what the starting material was. At least I am not sure. I know what MY starting material is, but I have yet been able to exploit it.... because.... I have'nt got enough information or ideas to use on it.... until now. With this Forum, you guys are opening up my mind and creating ideas for me to apply this material on...
It's quite speculative on my part, as I am not a Chemist.
Anything I have learned up to now has been only through readings, some heavy, some light readings, but not really the kind of study that a college graduate would have to memorize. So, I forget things now and then. However, a lot of what I have read is coming back and making sense through some of the Threads in this Forum.

I am quite the practical person and if something makes SENSE, I can make it work. It might have alot to do with my entire career(s). You see Kiorionis, I have done many different jobs in my life. I think I counted one time and I was over 30 different careers. Truck driver, Krane operator, Fry/Breakfast cook, Billiard trainer, Investment counseler, Computer hardware technician, Carpenter..... Alchemist? Well, I'm working on that.. But up until Alchemist, I am pretty good at the others, except for heavy equipment operator... I got fired a number of times at that. OK, I was only 19 at the time, but that job taught me alot about my nerves!
Was a shit load of fun too!
I'm explaining all this, to let you know that if I come up with an idea and it makes sense to me, their is usually grounds to trust my intuition. That is why I am sticking to Alchemy, it makes sense... somehow, in a perverse sort of way.. For example; I have never seen hot smoke flow downwards until I worked with my material. The stuff is full of surprises sometimes.
At the moment, it has only to do with my intuition.
People may laugh, but I feel there is something in it that is just waiting to work if I could just find it. Like the smell of my distillate in the reciever, once it had been destilled a number of times. Such a sweet fragrance, if a little chemical, but not at all pungent or bad. Though its source, was somewhat left to be desired in the beginning. It produced a jet black powder that I could certainly use to print a text with or dye a t-shirt! If I leave this black earth out in the open, it draws moisture from the air until there is a puddle on it. When I heat it, I see a brilliant white salt mixed with the black earth. At the moment I am trying to separate the two and work just with this white salt. However, if I were to wet it with its water, it all turns black again...
Like I said, I'm not a Chemist and so I am a little afraid of losing anything I have at the moment. Even this black earth that I am separating is put in an extra sealed glass container with an insulated cap, away from metal..
I've just turned the heat down and this white salt has formed a complete layer over the black earth that I know, is right under it. The black earth is powdery and easier to move than this salt. I know it is salt, because it tastes like salt. Yes, I have consumed a little.
Still alive though!

But as far as getting my material to work, I think I really need to separate this salt from the black earth. Destill this with its water and see what develops. However, this clean-up is very tedious work, but every time I finish and start destilling again, my salt seems to grow. I seem to have more than I did the last time... The bottom of my alembic is also white. Around the sides you can still see the black earth mixed with the salt.
"Separate the black from the white and vivify the white." I read this somewhere, but this is becoming a formidable chore..
However, if I could do this and put it together with this Ozon charged water, I think I could make this butter...
However, making this Ozon water like nav2010 did, will be the next endeavor. Though that project is a last resort for me, because I think somehow "my water" can be developed further and may have properties needed for "our mercury" already....
What I have done so far has taken me over a year, but it still gives me hope this time. Who knows how many times I've tried this, but nothing has given me more intuitive points to cling too than this try that I'm doing now....
I hope nobody thinks I am asking for any help here, although I am sure my efficiency for the desired separation could very well be expadited much more cleverly if I were sure that this black earth was completely useless. But I don't think it is... And the water produces "oily maybe alcohol/sovent" droplets and is also somewhat salty...
As for what my material is.... I must leave you to speculate for now...
It's mine...
It belongs to me...
and to me it is precious
Precious enough to protect her from scorn... and ridicule...
Until I have proof, to "show off" her beauty... please refrain from attemting your guess...
Thanks up front!

As far as to your questions, well, I am quite certain that the Philosophers Stone is some sort of highly developed volitized salt.
That would explain many mysterious anomylies to its supposed character. Like color changes, melting, smokeless, impervious to heat, intense luminous color.
Heating salt? How high can you heat normal salt? Does it smoke? Does it burn up? Does it even disappear? Does it stay white?
I'm really asking...
All I know is that the salt in MY material has been heat over 400° C and nothing changes, except that I get a little more each time... maybe from something hidden in its black earth.
In a separate experiment, I will destill this black earth that I have already separated and that, with its own water and see if I am still producing the salt. If it doesn't, then I know that this is in its final state... That should be coming up soon...
Wish me luck!
 

Christophorus

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Nice work Skipper.

As for help, I believe this is the place for it. No other place found online has this many people devoted to The Art. It's up to each one of us, to push it up and make it even better. If we could join all our experience in one number it would be expressed in centuries. This is the real value of a worldwide alchemy forum. We learn from the mistakes and conquests coming from the experiments performed by all members.

Thank you for your sharing!
:)
 

Skipper

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ALCHEMY my religion

Thanks for the tip Christophorus,

As for help, I believe this is the place for it.

It would be interesting to know just how many members we have here with at least a year of experience and study in Alchemy.

If we could join all our experience in one number it would be expressed in centuries.

That would certainly be worth a few centurys, but given a few of us here who have been working on this, with or without this Forum, well over 10-15 years... As far as experience, we may be looking at a Millenium+ !!!

I'm going to buy a "Go Pro" and maybe make a small series of videos and set this up in another Thread that I'll start up.. We'll take a look at what I've got. I'll show the problems I'm running into and maybe a couple of interesting chacteristics this material openly displays... Is there a way to upload these videos only here and not publically, i.e. u-tube and Co.?
What do you (all) think about that???

Awaiting resonnance
 

Awani

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You can post them on YouTube and make them not public, that only people with the link will find it. However this forum is public and I'm sure Google will find your video on here.

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