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Ozone as the Prima Materia

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@nav2010 Have you tried Magnesium Oxide it can store O3 and release it in the gut, apparently empties the bowels.
 

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@nav2010 Have you tried Magnesium Oxide it can store O3 and release it in the gut, apparently empties the bowels.
Which ever oxides you use, it can't be O2 it has to be O3. Your body cannot produce O3 from O2. Trioxides are therefore favourable.
 

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Metals become carriers in that respect because O3 degrades at room temperature back to O2. In your body, it latches onto your metabolism in some way, not sure how but it does.
 

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I wonder what other metal oxides besides magnesium work and how they are different to magnesium.


"When magnesium is bonded to oxygen, magnesium gives up two electrons from its outer shell. The magnesium is “oxidized,” and the oxygen is “reduced” because it has gained two electrons. This creates an ionic bond with magnesium to stabilize the oxygen. Magnesium, a metal, when bonded to oxygen, becomes magnesium oxide. After ingesting Oxy-Powder, the stomach acid and citric acid react with the magnesium oxides, breaking the bonds to release nascent oxygen slowly in the intestinal tract to soften fecal impaction. Our proprietary super-ozonation process maximized the amount of oxygen bonded to magnesium. "
 

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I developed flu last night. Currently on ozone treatment. Lets see if I can break my record of removing it in 24 hours.
I've took ozone gas first for 30 minutes to nail the bacteria in my breathing, currently on my second glass of ozone laced water.
Already can feel the difference in 30 minutes as my body springs to life.
 

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Do you inhale it bubbled trough Olive oil or Castor oil to reduce It's corrosiveness when inhaling?
Ozonated water seems to be very safe inhaling might contribute to more rapid aging if done too much.

What's your setup how do you inhale it?

No doubt that it can have great health benefits and many clinics utilize Ozone treatment.
 

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Do you inhale it bubbled trough Olive oil or Castor oil to reduce It's corrosiveness when inhaling?
Ozonated water seems to be very safe inhaling might contribute to more rapid aging if done too much.

What's your setup how do you inhale it?

No doubt that it can have great health benefits and many clinics utilize Ozone treatment.
I breath the ozone after its bubbled up through the water, not for too long.
I then neck two glasses of water which has been bubbling for 20 minutes each, through an air stone into the glass.
It's been 7.5 hours and I'm nearly normal again. Sore throat has gone, nose and sinuses clear and headache gone. I'll be at work in the morning.
 

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Do you use those 10 000v ozone generators or electrolysis of some kind?
 

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Recent experiences related to this topic:

Some chronic health issues recently came to a head, and I’ve been bed ridden for days with painful aching bones & a fever, amongst other symptoms.

Not long ago I built a version of Nav’s electrolysis rig, and having already confirmed that it splits H2O, as well as having a commercial pure O3 generator at hand, I decided it was time to apply these tools towards my health.

I’ve done the following:

(AM / Noonish / PM)
60 minutes: Bubble the output from the electrolyser through home distilled H2O, while breathing the gas output. After this, I drink the contents of the bubbling vessel (~300mL).

(AM / Noonish / PM)
30 minutes: Bubble the output from the coronal discharge O3 generator (fed by pure O) through distilled H2O; after bubbling, drinking the infused contents.

Note: I did attempt one application of breathing (as with the above breathing session, using a medical grade cannula) bubbled gas from the pure O3 generator, and was surprised that I experienced no initial irritation - however I only lasted about 2 minutes before this stronger source of O3 became uncomfortable to breath. It induced some uncomfortable coughing, but a positive expectorant type of reaction in the end.

Nav: May I ask if you have any benchmark worth sharing for O3 concentrations when you undergo O3 breathing?

Anyway, I am here to say that thanks to the above, the fever has broken, I am becoming pain free, and feel my body detoxing rapidly. For what it’s worth… after each session, body has a wave of relief running through it; as if every cell is saying “thank you”.

Inspired by the experience, I have 130mL of home distilled H2O (which was bubbled for 30 minutes with pure O3) sealed within an egg shaped vessel, and incubating as prescribed.

It’s been one day since that experiment started, and while the whole solution has not dramatically reduced in volume, there is perhaps very some small degree of reduction, as well as an interesting looking ring of coalescing liquid slightly climbing up the the sides of the vessel. I will keep this experiment going and share any noteworthy changes.

Nav: if I may ask… do you advise subjecting the entire vessel (at all sides) to the mentioned temperature, or just the base of the vessel? I’ve opted for the latter, for more of a thermal gradient between solution and the environment above it, but I wonder if energy at all sides is perhaps more efficacious.

Thank you…
 

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For inhaling the corona discharge air you have to bubble it trough Olive or Castor oil to neutralize the strong stuff, you can also Ozonate these oils until they turn into jelly and use them on the skin, If i remember correctly Nikola Tesla was using and selling this stuff to doctors, the oils stay good for a very long time if kept cold I think it even stabilizes the Ozone.
Inhaling Ozone can get rid of some diseases but it can also age you quicker so only use it when you really need it.

Ozonated water should be fine as is.

Thanks for sharing.
 

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For inhaling the corona discharge air you have to bubble it trough Olive or Castor oil to neutralize the strong stuff, you can also Ozonate these oils until they turn into jelly and use them on the skin, If i remember correctly Nikola Tesla was using and selling this stuff to doctors, the oils stay good for a very long time if kept cold I think it even stabilizes the Ozone.
Inhaling Ozone can get rid of some diseases but it can also age you quicker so only use it when you really need it.

Ozonated water should be fine as is.

Thanks for sharing.

Yup, all good points. I’ve studied the topic for some time, and previously consumed and topically applied O3 infused oil. Previously to Nav’s testimonial re: inhaling H2O bubbles O3, I would have never considered it, for the reasons you rightfully shared. Given how sick I was, I figured what the hell.

As a loose aside, one thing that I think hasn’t been touched on enough re: Nav’s prescribed electrolysis device is that it also produces molecular H gas - which some may know as being studied for its own interesting health implications. The Japanese are way ahead in this regard.

Besides how H gas may or may not have ramifications for his PM experiment, I have found information that H2 compliments O3 therapy (being such a potent and selective antioxidant vs O2’s oxidizing nature).

Related more to the thread, I chose the pure O3 electrolyzer source as the source of the gas to infuse the incubating experiment I have under way, so as to exclude H gas as a variable. Regardless of results, I’ll follow that test up with another one which mirrors Nav’s first stated protocol, which I’m quite sure leads to a solution of both O3 + H2 cohabitating the reaction vessel.

O3:
Heavier than air
Powerful oxidizer
One could say, the breath of Fire (O is literally birthed from the Sun, and the Stars catalyze it’s creation)
Has a mercurial nature under the right conditions

H2
Lighter than air
Powerful antioxidant
One could say, Fire itself (H literally makes up the Sun and Stars)
Has a metallic nature under the right conditions

And they both have one could could say a familial relationship, being that in a different arrangement their component parts rearrange into the resulting marriage of H2O, that I find it not a stretch to think of them as Brother & Sister.

Anyway, very well could be useless musings… but I find the poetry of them as possible “dueling eagles” within a reaction vessel fascinating.
 

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I have taught about similar stuff, Oxidation and Hydrogen reduction and keeping them balanced seems to be important for the body.
In Chemistry they are both also very interesting and play a huge part in many reactions.
Fundamental stuff.

Also you can mix Hydrogen and Carbon monoxide in a pressure vessel and create Hydrocarbons, condensing the Hydrogen into liquids.

Fischer-Tropsch synthesis leading to the production of hydrocarbons such as methane (CH4), ethane (C2H6) methane can be ↠Oxidized↞ condensed & turned into formaldehyde and this in combination with acids can produce Tinctures of metal like so called "Methylene Blue". (Copper tincture)

Also I don't think that a chemical is always the same, how It's made and how energetic it is could change It's properties or in other words there is always a hidden passenger and a homeopathic effect and geometry.
 

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Good stuff Lakshmana… I’ve found the Methylene Blue topic interesting as well. And I think similarly with regard to what you last said.
 

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A brief update to my v1 test of Nav’s process. Still have days more it seems before any judgement can be passed, but for what it’s worth, here is a peek at the fluid which is climbing up the walls of the vessel:

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What have the people learned?
 

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What have the people learned?
That O3 is a primary element in the repairing of DNA and is also the primary element in the transmutation of any metal along with carbon.
You might not think so at the moment but you will, trust me.
 

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More inclined towards a non chemical model but maybe.
 

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More inclined towards a non chemical model but maybe.
The universe including its inclusion of man does not work in terms of imaginary mana, imaginary spirit and the like. The universe is what it is, our inclusion in it also is what it is.
To convince yourself in alchemy that you will absolutely not provail without the above imaginary phenomena is falling into the hands of the people who wanted you to do exactly that. No one ever wanted you to know its simple, that's the last thing they wanted and that's based on greed, the greed of men.
That's over. It's been over for years, you just haven't realised it yet.
 

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The universe including its inclusion of man does not work in terms of imaginary mana, imaginary spirit and the like. The universe is what it is, our inclusion in it also is what it is.
To convince yourself in alchemy that you will absolutely not provail without the above imaginary phenomena is falling into the hands of the people who wanted you to do exactly that. No one ever wanted you to know its simple, that's the last thing they wanted and that's based on greed, the greed of men.
That's over. It's been over for years, you just haven't realised it yet.
You know what's even simpler than overcomplicating with all these labels?

Call it very volatile "spirit" and very fixed "earth".
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Also imaginary substances is something that I am not interested in. I work with what is In front of me, including intangible energies (Orgone model, Plasmoid model, Aether theory) which by themselves are not measurable, only their effect on other matters proves its existence, there is a life force which permeates the world and it is in everything, the starting matter(s) are of less importance I believe the true workings behind hydrogen and oxygen elude your mind.

I am happy to accept that oxygen/ozone is a suitable carrier and a part of the bigger picture.

I will never fully accept the Atomist bumping particle model since it's only a model perpetuated by common science.

You're like the king of overcomplicating on the forums so don't talk about simplicity :)

Either way, thanks for sharing.
 

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You know what's even simpler than overcomplicating with all these labels?

Call it very volatile "spirit" and very fixed "earth".
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Also imaginary substances is something that I am not interested in. I work with what is In front of me, including intangible energies (Orgone model, Plasmoid model, Aether theory) which by themselves are not measurable, only their effect on other matters proves its existence, there is a life force which permeates the world and it is in everything, the starting matter(s) are of less importance I believe the true workings behind hydrogen and oxygen elude your mind.

I am happy to accept that oxygen/ozone is a suitable carrier and a part of the bigger picture.

I will never fully accept the Atomist bumping particle model since it's only a model perpetuated by common science.

You're like the king of overcomplicating on the forums so don't talk about simplicity :)

Either way, thanks for sharing.
That's your journey be as it may. I cannot interfere with it like I cannot interfere with others jouney. I don't post on others threads for that reason.
At the end of your jouney as in the end of my journey there will only be room for one absolute truth. We can beat about the bush and sidetrack as much as we like but there will still be only one absolute truth at the end of our journey.
The way I see it? You can allow yourself to become sidetracked in the sense that you'll never see that absolute truth of your own device. You'll see it through someone else before yourself. Is that bad? Of course not, but it can be disappointing if your mind is not open.
Will you recognise absolute truth if you saw it? That depends if your mind is open or closed.
The alchemists of old and the alchemists of this forum have a profound difference. That difference is the alchemists of old used a language which the alchemists of this forum don't understand otherwise you wouldn't be where you are now. It will continue that way indefinately until you learn how to read the old language for what it is. It's not a language of mystery containing mysterious substances, it's a language in which its participants didn't fully understand the nature of the beast so reverted to mysticism to try and explain it.
Much like everything else such as thinking the gods weren't happy if it thundered, all related to thought processes of the time.
If you drop the mysticism from your train of thought, it's no more mysterious than ABC.
 

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The existence of molecular oxygen is what caused all of the lack of understanding by early alchemists. Oxygen cannot exist in its purest form and is only stable in O2 form. From this fact and this fact alone was born the mysticism of alchemy. I can prove that statement.
Oxygen in singular form is volatile and also in O2 is volatile.
Ask yourself a simple question, why does oxygen try to attack everything it comes in contact with?
Why would the universe create a element that attacks most other elements?
The answer in alchemical terms is because oxygen attacks other elements so that it can do its job, its job is the infultrate and mutate elements into the next line of progression.
If oxygen couldn't infultrate then it would be useless in the universe, there would be no progression.
So the universe starts with H, He, Li, Be, B, C, N and finally O. Everything else on the periodic table is a result of carbon and oxygen attacking those 6 previous elements.
If you can't accept this, there is nothing to do.
 

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The recent posts are very interesting, thanks Nav.
I must say, if you were to ever pen a first principles layman’s guide to Physics, as your unique mind understands it, I’d love to study it.

Anyway I am curious about your thoughts on bubbling O3 through a colloidal Ag solution, so as to maximize therapeutic efficacy (seems I’m blessed with a serous skin situation, as you once were).

Would one be looking for a particular visual indication that the oxidizing reaction was well accomplished?
 

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The recent posts are very interesting, thanks Nav.
I must say, if you were to ever pen a first principles layman’s guide to Physics, as your unique mind understands it, I’d love to study it.

Anyway I am curious about your thoughts on bubbling O3 through a colloidal Ag solution, so as to maximize therapeutic efficacy (seems I’m blessed with a serous skin situation, as you once were).

Would one be looking for a particular visual indication that the oxidizing reaction was well accomplished?
Take AG powder and oxidize it normally in air till its black. Create a paste with water and further oxidize that paste with O3. The AG will take on the O3 and lock it.
Or...Take AG powder and drop it in distilled water, attack it with O3 until it turns black and make a paste. Use the paste.
Silver oxide is by far the greatest skin treatment.
Treat three times a day BTW until your ailment goes away. The oxide carries an instruction, that instruction depletes with heat generated by your skin and the O3 breaks down.
 

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The recent posts are very interesting, thanks Nav.
I must say, if you were to ever pen a first principles layman’s guide to Physics, as your unique mind understands it, I’d love to study it.

Anyway I am curious about your thoughts on bubbling O3 through a colloidal Ag solution, so as to maximize therapeutic efficacy (seems I’m blessed with a serous skin situation, as you once were).

Would one be looking for a particular visual indication that the oxidizing reaction was well accomplished?
What type of physics? Chemistry?