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Ozone as the Prima Materia

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Hi nav2010

There is no way that I could possibly disagree with you more.

I have personally performed the Primary Alchemic Process many times and the Blackness (the Putrefaction) is the beginning and a most essential part of the Alchemic Process to bring forth a living substance.

No Blackness = No Alchemy

Chemistry and Archemy are not Alchemy.
Black, I'm showing the process of the massacre of the innocents step by step, stage my stage.
It has absolutely nothing to do with your version of the seven stages of alchemy, that is your path.
If you wish to show the forum how to decode Mercurious meets with saturn and the massacre of the innocents then be my guest in your own thread.
Once again, I have members of the forum trying to be king in my domain regardless of the warning from moderators you received earlier.
There are no kings here. It's not a competition on who is more wrong or right.
 

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I'm also with black on this one. There cannot be a blanket statement that the Blackness is of no use in alchemy. Maybe that is the case for this particular path, maybe. As a general statement I think it goes against the word of many reliable philosophers. Blackness doesnt just appear once but throughout the work so idk how it could be completely bypassed.

Here is a good thread discussing just this complete with plenty of textual references: https://alchemyforums.com/index.php?threads/our-blackness-putrefaction.4940/
Guys, this is Nav's thread.
He is sharing with us something that none of us has known.
If he brings forth a piece of information and we all jump in to defend how we see things,
will it encourage open discussion? Maybe. But it may also discourage someone from continued sharing.
He might disappear again for a long time.
We've already seen Nav put off by opposition to what he is saying.
If I had a thread and I proposed new ideas which were just met by opposition,
I'd also grow tired of sharing more. I'd figure everyone knows what they know so why bother bringing new ideas?
I am also of the mind that blackness is of importance in alchemy.
But am I absolutely certain that this also should apply to Nav's method here?
Of course not.

Perhaps Nav's statement itself is a little sweeping...
but he is coming from his perspective.
This is his thread, which he started. in this thread, Nav is king.
It doesn't have to satisfy everyone's view of alchemy.
Can you get your egos down enough to allow for an expression of something that you might not fully comprehend?
Especially when it has some rather interesting premises that have huge potential.
 

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If I may, allow me to share the following reading of an intriguing alchemical text.


Listening to it from the perspective that an O3 rich compound is indeed central to the Art, and that Nav’s streamlined protocol for digesting it is close to mark has been thought provoking.

Further, re: the recent debate as far as the “Black stage” - that reading also speaks on the topic in a way that might line up with Nav’s path - in that the prescribed gentle and simplistic cooking supposedly addresses multiple historically considered distinct operations, and comments on how many texts are simply over complicating the Work.

And if I may continue to share, also have the following Alchemical images intrigued the mind, while looking through a lens which is fascinated by the relationship of Trees with O3.

Much I could say on this topic…. but suffice it to say Nav - your pointer re: Oak bark inspired me to look deeper; and while I have yet to dig up O3 statistics on fresh unprocessed Oak / other tree saps, it jumps out at me that O3 is much more soluble in Turpentine than H2O.

The distillation of Pine sap to Turpentine would clearly drive off O3, but perhaps there is a clue here? Perhaps freshly collected sap was another viable path, along with Mother Nature’s carefully collected Dew?


Thank you, Nav… many times over.

I am working towards my attempt at performing your process and look forward to sharing the journey.

PS: the classical phrase “The breath of Life” has been ringing in my ears as I study this path…

PPS: is it me, or doesn’t the angelic group above the conspicuous fountain look a little like an abstract tree? Perhaps I am too one dimensional in my present mindset.

Note: all, please forgive my delay in introducing myself as part of the formal new member protocol, I’ve had some writers block, which I aim to rectify as soon as I am guided to the right words to share.

Wishing all a blessed day.

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If I may, allow me to share the following reading of an intriguing alchemical text.


Welcome REL.
Thank you for sharing this video of the book - "The Only True Way." by anonymous.
The irony of that title is not lost on me given my recent exchange with @black .

This book is really excellent.
It reminds me a lot of this thread, started by @Dwellings.
Dwellings was surely inspired by that text.

I can see where the text clearly exposes this idea of blackness and the appropriateness of you selecting it for this discussion.
Though, it sort of stops there, as I cannot see how it relates to Nav's method.
But how it does relate in the reorientation of our minds to colors black, white, and red, is really something to be taken into consideration.

Thank you, Nav… many times over.
I am working towards my attempt at performing your process and look forward to sharing the journey.

blessings on your journey.
i am looking forward to more of your posts.
 

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The above-mentioned book is quite good IMO. And it employs the very same mind-fucks that alchemical authors have employed before and ever since. It talks about the origin of metals and the absolute necessity of the "metallic essence", but almost in the same breath implies that it cannot/shouldn't be taken out of the metals themselves, not even from the imperfect ones, because the chemicals (acids, etc.) we would have to use for such an endeavor would "injure" or "corrupt" the Spirits (with which I agree). So while directing us towards Metals and the "Metallic Essence", at the same time, with a sneaky wink, he tells us, quite explicitly, that this "Metallic Essence" can be much more easily and naturally separated from the more volatile states/natures, where it is not so tightly bound. From this we can deduce that even IF we search in the realm of Metals/Minerals, we must seek this "Essence" in those "Minerals" that are still in a so-called "living" or "vegetative" state (see Cyliani), i.e. "still loose", i.e. not yet "decocted" to such a degree where they have become inseparable by natural means. This author appears to have zero tolerance for Chymical Sophistries :)

In relation to this thread, many good alchemical treatises either directly mention or indirectly imply that the beginning of the Work consists of a "Union of Spirits" (spirit = subtle/gaseous state) before we can even commence any operation on bodies (solids), if at all. "Our Water" is often described as being composed of 2 Spirits (gases) or "fires", one arising from the "Earth/Below" and the other from the "Air/Above", similar to how common Dew is formed, and as shown in this image that @REL posted:

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Now it remains to be explored in this thread what role gas-state elements such as Oxygen may play in potential avenues of research.
 

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Triune one, I appreciate your thoughtful reply, sharing of related material, and warm welcome.

My apologies for not being as articulate as would be beneficial in my initial post. I will attempt to draw more highlighted and referenced points relating to that text.

Thank you all, and wishing a blessed day.

When I first came across Nav’s process I couldn’t help but feel like it differed from classical Art due to its seeming lack of typical & distinct Alchemical stages. To say nothing of it being centered around an electrical workflow.

However after repeated studying of that text, along with Nav’s insights, I am beginning to see things differently.

For one, I now find the texts seemingly overly simplistic claim that imperfect metals have their state centered around “imperfect heating by Nature”, and that facilitating Mother Nature’s special conditions for “heating” is all one must do to allow Her to work miracles, thought provoking.

For two, I am seeing a poetic harmony between what may be happening within our proposed philosophical egg, and what Mother Nature may be aiming for on Her large stage.

I will do my best to share some related passages from the mentioned text, and follow up with how one’s thought is crystalizing around this new perspective.

Apologies for anything redundant or taken as misunderstood / off base, or taken as boldly proclaimed fact. I am very much still a beginner, and I only wish to contribute constructively, and in a friendly harmonious manner.

A)

“simply (to) follow Nature, and her unsophisticated methods: then she will take you by the hand, and guide you to the true substance. For the only method of correcting or ameliorating Nature, consists in the natural heating of essences.”

B)

“For while you heat, you also putrefy, or decompose, as you may see by the changes which a grain of wheat undergoes in the. ground under the influence of the rain and of the sun; you know that it must first decay before new life can spring forth. It is this process which they have denominated putrefaction and solution.

Again when you heat, you also sublime, and to this coction they have applied the terms sublimation and multiplication, that the simple man might err more easily.

In like manner coagulation takes place in heating; for they say that coagulation takes place when humidity is changed into the nature of fire, so as to be able to resist the action of fire, without evaporating, or being consumed.

And heating also includes that which they call "circulation," or conjunction, or the union of fire with water to prevent complete combustion.

Thus you see that that which they have called by so many names is really but one simple process.”

C)

“For after this preparation the essence is no longer vegetable or animal, but by the perfection of its heating it has become a mineral essence, and is therefore called sulphur; the essence is nothing but an elementary fire, and its liquid, which is guarded against combustion, is true elementary air, and, because air is naturally warm and moist, it is called mercury by those jealous ancients.

Air contains in itself the nature of fire, and elementary fire, again, contains within itself the nature of air: thus, by the union of their common elements, a true amalgamation of the two can take place. Such are the material fire and water which we seek.”

D)

“Therefore, when they speak of sulphur, you must understand them to allude to elementary fire, and by mercury you must understand the liquid.”

E)

“But it is really nothing but hidden elementary fire, with its liquid, which the Ancients called the root liquid, radical moisture, or humid radical, because it is the root of all created things.”

Note: Is not Hydrogen the root of all created things, being the matter which our Sun operates upon to forge all the elements? Perhaps our “common” Hydrogen monoxide is royalty indeed to play “our root liquid” and act as Mercury of the wise, delivering our hidden essence of Air & Fire - if even for fleeting periods of time (as Ozone, before the third atom of elementary Oxygen flies away)?)

F)

“Therefore, I must exhort you again and again to trust your own observations rather than the writings of others, and to let the Book of Nature be the most favoured volume of your library.

Observe Her methods, not only in the production of metals, but in the procreation of the fruits of the earth, and their constant growth and development, in the Winter and Summer, in the Spring and Autumn, by rain and sunshine.”

G)

“For as by a heating process the infant is developed in the mother's womb out of the father's seed, and as the chicken is brought forth out of the egg by the natural incubation of the hen, so the metals, too, are developed in a certain way out of a certain substance.”

H)

“follow the method pursued by Nature in the veins of the earth, which is very simple, and includes no solutions, putrefactions, coagulations… in the heart of the earth, where the metals do grow and receive increase”

So… in a humble attempt to distill one’s thoughts on Nav’s approach our Art:

The following “Mis en place” appears to be indicated for a delicious “well cooked” Prima Materia…

A liquid:
  • Absolutely fresh Ozone saturated pure H2O
Note: O3 saturates to greater degrees in cold water… for the described electrolysis reaction, I am to begin with ice cold H2O)

Two aspects of Fire:
  • One catalytic, and hidden within our Liquid (O3)
  • One common, and nurturing, facilitating Mother Earth’s hen-like thermal care of an egg
Heart of the earth:
  • Darkness (Ozone being UV sensitive)
Egg:
  • A well stopped (and quickly at that) glass vessel, likely only impregnated around 1/3 full or so with our Liquid, to facilitate a natural cycle of evaporation and coagulation; perhaps also ovoid in geometry (an aid to gentle cyclical evaporation and condensation?)
Winter and Summer, Spring and Autumn:
  • Some aspect of seasonality, which the combined prescribed heat, restraint in quantity of liquid utilized, and perhaps geometry of the vessel facilitate).
The fullness of time:
  • Combine the above, and “cook” at 37c for a few thousand years.
  • For as perhaps it could be said that only rarely are the ideal conditions all aligned for the perfecting of immature metals within Mother Nature’s large and always turning sphere, what with waiting for the seasons and churnings of all that which is above the earth, and all that is within the Earth to manifest astral infused with O3 water to reach perfected concentrations… and then before being released before it’s time, for this Airy Fiery Water to encounter an appropriate patient metal - and be blessed with continued privacy - away from the Sun’s UV gaze, at temperatures not too cold or hot, towards a natural ripening.
Note: If one is reaching towards accuracy in understanding this process, via the Artful optimizing of Mother Nature’s conditions perhaps one may just shorten the timescale such that one day equals a thousand years.

PS:

Nav, I enjoy digesting everything you share… and I would love to interact with you more deeply at the level of esoteric symbology, further still at the level of modern electron theory and such as the old riddles are explained in new ways - however I am not qualified enough in both of those domains to be of value here.

I apologize for being a wallflower with regard to your interesting riddles which have been proposed.

Till then, at best I can aim for living up to the words contained in Matthew 21:14-17.
 

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The above-mentioned book is quite good IMO. And it employs the very same mind-fucks that alchemical authors have employed before and ever since. It talks about the origin of metals and the absolute necessity of the "metallic essence", but almost in the same breath implies that it cannot/shouldn't be taken out of the metals themselves, not even from the imperfect ones, because the chemicals (acids, etc.) we would have to use for such an endeavor would "injure" or "corrupt" the Spirits (with which I agree). So while directing us towards Metals and the "Metallic Essence", at the same time, with a sneaky wink, he tells us, quite explicitly, that this "Metallic Essence" can be much more easily and naturally separated from the more volatile states/natures, where it is not so tightly bound. From this we can deduce that even IF we search in the realm of Metals/Minerals, we must seek this "Essence" in those "Minerals" that are still in a so-called "living" or "vegetative" state (see Cyliani), i.e. "still loose", i.e. not yet "decocted" to such a degree where they have become inseparable by natural means. This author appears to have zero tolerance for Chymical Sophistries :)

In relation to this thread, many good alchemical treatises either directly mention or indirectly imply that the beginning of the Work consists of a "Union of Spirits" (spirit = subtle/gaseous state) before we can even commence any operation on bodies (solids), if at all. "Our Water" is often described as being composed of 2 Spirits (gases) or "fires", one arising from the "Earth/Below" and the other from the "Air/Above", similar to how common Dew is formed, and as shown in this image that @REL posted:

I think this above mentioned book and topic calls for a new thread... on seeking how the metals are born in the mines.
It doesn't fit here, of course.
There may be some good threads that deal with this thoroughly.
@Andro , are you familiar with any threads that deal with metallogenesis and finding the matters already prepared in nature, versus
having to retrograde the minerals/ metals to get to their prima ens?
Or do I need to start a new thread?
 

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@Triune One You can of course make a new thread on whatever you want. Ideally check beforehand if there isn't such a thread already.

I think the above quoted book is somewhat relevant to Nav's thread because it references the "Metallic Spirits", where "spirit" de-facto refers to the gas or volatile liquid state, and Oxygen is naturally a gas. Also my comment regarding dew formation, which Nav also addressed in relation to O3.
 

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The salts are trioxides in my own personal belief. But yes, carry on with your own journey. Don't follow my journey and try and compare the two. Each is to his own.

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@nav2010 salts are not trioxides at all, what about NaCl where oxigen isnt present at all?

Plus, ozone is a well known poison. That's why it is used as disinfectant (remember pandemic lockdown) ❌((and it showed some (still to be well demonstrated though!) topic chemoterapic action on skin, hence probably the effects obtained by you, which does not imply alchemical miracles, but just chemoterapic action i.e. death of some cells -and btw who knows if ozone selectively killed only cancer cells, as it flowed inside tissues and organs *it is not used internally ))⚠️

I would highly suggest careful attention, and some basic scientific knowledge. (basic inorganic and organic chemistry, and why not some biochem, would be the starting point, otherwise we all magnify some really common stuff which could be easily avoided. E.g. all the fuss about acetate salts *per se*)
 

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ozone is a well known poison.
I already asked Nav about this, see below:

Isn't Ozone (allegedly) somewhat toxic as well?
No, it's a total lie. I've been breathing and drinking it for 5 years. It took cancer off my arms in days, removed a wart off my thumb in 36 hours, cured a water infection in 36 hours which would have lasted weeks. It cured my wife of serious illness about five weeks ago, serious chest infection she picked up after a virus.
I have no idea if the common/mainstream narrative on Ozone is legit or not.

But safety first!
 

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There is a similar situation with Apricot Kernels and the substance Amygdalin that is within them which is also touted to kill cancer cells.

The truth is that there are no "poisons" as such. The human body can tolerate and use substances provided they are within tolerable limits. We can eat bananas but if we eat too many of them they can harm us. So bananas are poisons then???

Amygdalin (Vit B17) is found naturally in loads of products of Nature. In Cherries, Blackberries, Raspberries, currants in grains (millet, barley, flax etc) in nuts (almonds, macadamias etc) also in beans (broad beans, lima etc) and elsewhere. We do NOT consider any of these poisons. However if you eat too much of any of them then yes, you can harm your body.

To get the health benefits of the Amygdalin from these you would have to eat varying quantities of each thing. It simply transpires that Apricot Kernels are the most convenient of them all for humans because you can get a good amount of B17 from eating just a few kernels. Much better than having to eat say 50 apples !

So what has the US Government done? It banned the sale of Apricot Kernels and flooded the internet with scare stories about Amygdalin being a cyanic compound and people killing themselves from cyanide poisoning. Did they equally ban all those other foods? No. They just banned THE most convenient one for humans.

I raise this because we should understand that those who want us to be sick and buy Pharma drugs, treatments, vaccines and the like will go to any length to dissuade us from the natural substances around us. Lots of deliberate internet misinformation and so on.

I see a similar situation with Ozone. In one breathe they say it's like sun-burning the lungs and is deadly, in the next you can go and get "Ozone therapy". I smell BS as always. The same old BS. The BS on which all medical products are peddled, campaigns of fear.

According to these assholes I should be dead because I ate plenty of Apricot Kernels.

I didn't die. I didn't get remotely sick.

They lied

They lie all the time

So I personally would have no fear regarding Ozone but as Andro says, safety first. Small steps. Small amounts.

It takes faith and courage to eat something that the so-called experts try to tell you will kill you. It's a line you have to cross to see how deep the BS goes.

I crossed it.

Nav2010 has obviously crossed it.

So be aware. Be sensible, be safe but don't let the fear campaigns dissuade your enquiries and investigations.
 

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There is a similar situation with Apricot Kernels and the substance Amygdalin that is within them which is also touted to kill cancer cells.

The truth is that there are no "poisons" as such. The human body can tolerate and use substances provided they are within tolerable limits. We can eat bananas but if we eat too many of them they can harm us. So bananas are poisons then???

Amygdalin (Vit B17) is found naturally in loads of products of Nature. In Cherries, Blackberries, Raspberries, currants in grains (millet, barley, flax etc) in nuts (almonds, macadamias etc) also in beans (broad beans, lima etc) and elsewhere. We do NOT consider any of these poisons. However if you eat too much of any of them then yes, you can harm your body.

To get the health benefits of the Amygdalin from these you would have to eat varying quantities of each thing. It simply transpires that Apricot Kernels are the most convenient of them all for humans because you can get a good amount of B17 from eating just a few kernels. Much better than having to eat say 50 apples !

So what has the US Government done? It banned the sale of Apricot Kernels and flooded the internet with scare stories about Amygdalin being a cyanic compound and people killing themselves from cyanide poisoning. Did they equally ban all those other foods? No. They just banned THE most convenient one for humans.

I raise this because we should understand that those who want us to be sick and buy Pharma drugs, treatments, vaccines and the like will go to any length to dissuade us from the natural substances around us. Lots of deliberate internet misinformation and so on.

I see a similar situation with Ozone. In one breathe they say it's like sun-burning the lungs and is deadly, in the next you can go and get "Ozone therapy". I smell BS as always. The same old BS. The BS on which all medical products are peddled, campaigns of fear.

According to these assholes I should be dead because I ate plenty of Apricot Kernels.

I didn't die. I didn't get remotely sick.

They lied

They lie all the time

So I personally would have no fear regarding Ozone but as Andro says, safety first. Small steps. Small amounts.

It takes faith and courage to eat something that the so-called experts try to tell you will kill you. It's a line you have to cross to see how deep the BS goes.

I crossed it.

Nav2010 has obviously crossed it.

So be aware. Be sensible, be safe but don't let the fear campaigns dissuade your enquiries and investigations.
You were lucky... and you didn't digest it, otherwise the cyanide ions were released from that vitamin b17 and you would get toxic symptoms ;)

I have no knowledge about those things being banned in the u.s.a., as in my country they constitute the key ingredient of some very famous biscuits and you can eat them the whole day, so it surely depends on the way it is digested or not in the intestines.

While your sentences may be argued against certain suppression off interesting compounds by the scientific community, this is not the case, as the source of those miraculous claims about those seeds is doubtful.

Same with alleged "ozone therapy".

@Andro thank you, but "repetita iuvant"...
 

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You were lucky... and you didn't digest it, otherwise the cyanide ions were released from that vitamin b17 and you would get toxic symptoms

How do you mean "you didn't digest it"?

I ate, i.e. chewed and swallowed numerous bitter Apricot kernels. I know others who have done the same and who experience a stinging sensation where their cancers are supposed to be. As I said in my post, things are only poisonous if you ingest too much of a given substance. Your biscuits (I assume Amaretti) are delicious and full of Apricot Kernel flavour and are made from apricots. Likely they soak or leach the ingredients to remove most of the cyanic compounds. Marzipan likewise. Let's not divert the thread.

My post was to simply explain that the Establishment will issue all manner of BS misinformation to steer people away from strong natural cures.
 

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Interesting to see that the retail world has already clocked on to Singlet Oxygen technology.


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They claim that singlet oxygen is an "excited" form of oxygen

"the molecules inside of the photo-sensitiser become excited, and when the airborne oxygen from the ambient air passes across their surfaces, the excitation energy is passed to the oxygen molecules, briefly changing their molecular structure from their usual stable state, to a singlet state, known as Singlet Oxygen Energy, or SOE. After passing through the SoeMac, the oxygen molecules immediately revert to their normal passive state, but retain this extra energy in their molecular bonds. It is this extra energy, combined with the oxygen molecules, that is so welcomed by the body."

So this is interesting and perhaps this gives a clue to the importance of that Singlet Oxygen molecule that Nav believes is vital to our Art. The above suggests that the Singlet Oxygen molecule is an attractor and/or carrier of some kind of energy (the SM perhaps?).

So is this Singlet Oxygen a type of magnet in the Work?

We "excite" our substances using fire. The device above does it with electricity. Either way we get Singlet O molecules and they acquire and carry a form of energy.
 

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Another similar device here:


Here it says:

"SOE Air uses the same principles as plant photosynthesis to create energy from oxygen. Using a photosensitive catalyst, air is drawn through a filter in the device and flows across the surface of the catalyst. This causes the oxygen in the air to repeatedly alter from its normal triplet condition to singlet condition and back again. During this process, singlet oxygen energy is released which is transmitted to the water molecules in the air. These are released by the SOE Air and can be breathed in."

Note the part I have emboldened.

So let's understand this. This gels with the Golden Chain of Homer Chpt 1 about flour mills vs water mills etc.

Here we first need to create a Singlet Oxygen molecule because that's our magnet/carrier

Then we load that Singlet Oxygen molecule with "energy"

The Singlet Oxygen molecule then transmits that energy into water molecules i.e. to the vapours or waters in our flask.

So there's a cycle or chain of progression here.

We're grabbing free energy (I assume the SM) and for that we use the Singlet O molecule

We then transfer that energy into our waters/vapours (because it's all sealed in our flasks, nowhere else to go)

Result is presumably a super energy saturated substance

Imagine if you can fix that Singlet Oxygen molecule in place (lots of them) so they are permanent and can't revert back to normal O2.

What you then have is a portable energy machine that is constantly absorbing the SM around us and then transmitting it to our waters. Our bodies are of course mostly water !

All very fascinating
 

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How do you mean "you didn't digest it"?

I ate, i.e. chewed and swallowed numerous bitter Apricot kernels. I know others who have done the same and who experience a stinging sensation where their cancers are supposed to be. As I said in my post, things are only poisonous if you ingest too much of a given substance. Your biscuits (I assume Amaretti) are delicious and full of Apricot Kernel flavour and are made from apricots. Likely they soak or leach the ingredients to remove most of the cyanic compounds. Marzipan likewise. Let's not divert the thread.

My post was to simply explain that the Establishment will issue all manner of BS misinformation to steer people away from strong natural cures.

So what do i mean, same as digesting bread... you eat bread, and enzymes in your spit break the sugars of it, making it available in a more simple form dextrines, which in the gut be digested even more and then they go into bloodstream as source of biologic energy.

B17 starting this process in the gut, and in certain conditions (cooked as in biscuits it's not that annoying as raw), but as some other substances its not that easy to digest, hence if you ate considerable quantities w/o bad side effects, your body didnt assimilate the cyanate ion.

"Dosem facit veneneum" it's ok if you are into homeopathy, but it's nothing close to philosophical matters.

Though i do believe that from shit flowers are born. So from poisons medicines will arise. But technique and philosophy have to be followed and respected. Otherwise we end up in experiments, interesting ones for sure, but they just resemble Jollivet-Castellot's experiments which is none but particulars and hyperchemistry.

So you are talking about singlet oxygen molecule.... energy... im curious as to how do you understand this topics. And im curious to know if you ever heard about ROS... and how all this should be ENERGIZING and BENEFIC...???

I think in this thread (for some reason its still placed in practical alchemy section, rather than Spagyrics or "chemistry thread") some dangerous practices are being advised to people, this place is public and if someone is going to replicate and maybe INGEST ozone compounds it will lead to not so nice results, to say the least. Because despite the claims that white gunk is not "prima materia"
I was for a long time struggling to find something to do with it and then one day about six months ago I did something. I had on my left arm malignant melanoma. The cancer was in the early stages, two patches about half an inch in diameter each and in the black and bleeding stage of the disease. For some reason unbeknown to myself I decided that I was going to cure it with my stuff and silver, it just felt right to do so. I took a small amount of the white water and separated with a Stanley blade and let it eat silver filings till it would eat no more. It changed the consistency of the oil to a more buttery stuff and I was shitting myself with what I was about to do. I could either burn my arm off with it, in which case the cancer would be gone anyway, poison myself with it or die of cancer anyway so I thought fuck it and buttered it on my arm on one of the patches but very thin. The first two days were a nightmare, talk about itch, it was driving me potty, then on about the fifth day a black scab appeared which dropped off after a few more days, the other patch did the same on its own and now as God is my witness the cancer was gone in a week, there is just a different coloured skin where it was. I made the stupid mistake of showing someone who had seen my melanoma in previous weeks and I couldn’t tell him what I’d done but I got an evil and distasteful look from him.
It was at this stage that I knew what I had achieved with my white stuff. (sure?) I haven’t got the money to carry on with the rest of my work because the Prima Materia needs to absorb Gold for the next stage and my Gold is poor being only 18crt.
There are two questions which need answering:
The first one is how the hell can you start off with 500ml of Ozone water in a sealed vessel at 37C and end up with a white spongy oil of 50ml that weighs the same as the whole of the water?
Secondly, how did the amalgam of it and silver kill my cancer?
I honestly do not know the answers but that is what happened.

The reason that many have failed in this is because they do not know about the half life of O3 in water, which in turn forms back into O2 within minutes of creating it in water. They never fully understood how UV creates it in the world we live in.
You now know the Prima Materia and that as they say, is that.
See you in another four years folks.
Perfectly fitting in the description of nav are the chemical properties of ozone.

JDP already understood that this was not related to alchemy, plus everyone keep in mind this is dangerous and this effects are well known and still this is not a chemical advised to be used to treat melanomas. Sure, also the "lapis infernalis" or "hell stone" the silver nitrate has the effect of eating all your sick skin tissues, but its dangerous and easy to misuse.

How it works is simple its a ROS: a reactive oxygen species.... the so famous "oxidants" that nowaday everyone wants to fight off drinking some herbal tea or some vitaminic supplements... this is self exposing to one of major causes of tumors for example. It is so reactive that in presence of silver it may hypothethically have condensed the NO2 ion from air reacting with it and generating nitrate ion, thus bringing to silver nitrate (of which above).

So be careful guys, let's experiment as it's really interesting, even in hyperchemistry and particular domains, but always attention and safety first, i kindly thank you for reading this.
 

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Another similar device here:


Here it says:

"SOE Air uses the same principles as plant photosynthesis to create energy from oxygen. Using a photosensitive catalyst, air is drawn through a filter in the device and flows across the surface of the catalyst. This causes the oxygen in the air to repeatedly alter from its normal triplet condition to singlet condition and back again. During this process, singlet oxygen energy is released which is transmitted to the water molecules in the air. These are released by the SOE Air and can be breathed in."

Note the part I have emboldened.

So let's understand this. This gels with the Golden Chain of Homer Chpt 1 about flour mills vs water mills etc.

Here we first need to create a Singlet Oxygen molecule because that's our magnet/carrier

Then we load that Singlet Oxygen molecule with "energy"

The Singlet Oxygen molecule then transmits that energy into water molecules i.e. to the vapours or waters in our flask.

So there's a cycle or chain of progression here.

We're grabbing free energy (I assume the SM) and for that we use the Singlet O molecule

We then transfer that energy into our waters/vapours (because it's all sealed in our flasks, nowhere else to go)

Result is presumably a super energy saturated substance

Imagine if you can fix that Singlet Oxygen molecule in place (lots of them) so they are permanent and can't revert back to normal O2.

What you then have is a portable energy machine that is constantly absorbing the SM around us and then transmitting it to our waters. Our bodies are of course mostly water !

All very fascinating

hey Pilgrim,
the difficult part about fixing singlet oxygen is that it is in such a high energy state, it will very quickly and readily bond with another singlet to make triple O2, the normal state of oxygen.
I do not want to imply it would be impossible to store them. but it would require some sort of energy device that sends out a field, locking them in place, sort of like this zero point energy beam in "The Incredibles". Edit: Perhaps different frequencies might keep the singlet oxygens from bonding?

incredibles-zero-point-energy-beam.jpg

I also agree with your general premise of how you described "The Man" lying to us about things that are generally health-beneficial.
However, singlet oxygen does rouse some concerns because it is so reactive, it could possibly interact with DNA, which is one of the warnings. Does it do so? I don't know. Might it do so? Yes. Singlet oxygen exemplifies the definition of a "free radical."

It is worthy of notice that that little device that makes singlet oxygen is not having you inhale the singlet oxygen, but rather the energy that the water vapor that has the extra energy from the singlet oxygen transferred to itself as a carrier.
 
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However it is considered best to organize topics, all good.

If I may, some thoughts after reading replies…

  1. Ozone as poison

“All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; the dosage alone makes it so a thing is not a poison.” -Paracelsus

Sunlight, Air, Water, Coffee, etc.
Bring anything beyond a certain concentration, and combine with an ignorant attitude which doesn’t respect such an element’s / compounds qualities & effects, and there may just be negative results.

The topic of Hormesis comes to mind.

Anyway is it not said in some texts that the final Elixirs dosage is one single drop in a glass of wine?

Would it not then be fair to wager that greedily consuming an excessive dosage of the Tincture might be too much too fast for most bodies to handle? Is one to live in fear of Our Medicine before it is yet attained?


  1. Ozone as an “alleged” modality for health

Ozone is far from an alleged healing modality. I’d kindly challenge one to sincerely look for one’s self, and find out.

Let’s just pick one hardcore example, MRSA:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5783482/

Essentially 100% eliminated in minutes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9727960/

It literally destroys viruses at the level of their DNA… It is described as being stronger than bleach, yet it came be safely circulated through our blood as part of IV therapies. (I have done so, amongst other external and internal routes of absorption).

Caution is indicated as far as breathing and eye contact goes, but again concentration / dosage is important…

One could argue Mother Nature clean’s Herself with Ozone, and the freshness smelled after a thunderstorm is its signature. Are we to fear this beautifully natural phenomenon?

There is a troublingly twisted fear of Ozone me thinks…

While investigating Nav’s claim that certain trees accumulate Ozone, I came across this:

https://scitechdaily.com/should-we-...xpected-link-between-trees-and-air-pollution/

Unbelievable.


  1. Subterranean Ozone

This gas, created as Nav points out, in the highest reaches of our sphere, also has fascinating workings within the lower reaches of our sphere. I have touched on some related thoughts to little interest.

Is it possibly interesting to know that volcanic rock releases Ozone when fracturing?

https://file1.lookchem.com/doi/2022/3/23/85208981-bdc9-45d2-84ec-c00b5756969a.pdf

The rock found to release the highest amount of Ozone was Rhyolite, and Granite is up there too. Both of those being rich in Silica, I wondered about Silica having any form of natural attraction to Ozone; yes, it does…

http://acshist.scs.illinois.edu/bulletin_open_access/v33-2/v33-2 p68-75.pdf

Interestingly, the article hints that the Ozone released from Silica exists in exotic forms, such as singlet, and even up to O9.

This matter of Ozone as some interesting bridge between literal Heaven and Earth is thought provoking.

Moses struck the rock and brought forth living waters…

Nav highlights a horseman bearing what lingers in my mind as “the sword of the Air” (forgive the poetic license) and we have data showing a gaseous sword (of at least noteworthy and potent hygienic power) can be pulled from a stone.

Thank you again, Nav… for being the catalyst to this fun path of enquiry.
 

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However it is considered best to organize topics, all good.

  1. Ozone as poison

  1. Ozone as an “alleged” modality for health

  1. Subterranean Ozone


Thank you again, Nav… for being the catalyst to this fun path of enquiry.
Nice findings there REL. Good research.
Nice points. The volcanic rock releasing ozone is highly interesting.
Especially to some like @ghetto alchemist and @Lakshmana who are into the volcanic materials.
The silica - ozone (and singlet) is highly interesting as well.
Consider Quartz again.
 

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Nice findings there REL. Good research.
Nice points. The volcanic rock releasing ozone is highly interesting.
Especially to some like @ghetto alchemist and @Lakshmana who are into the volcanic materials.
The silica - ozone (and singlet) is highly interesting as well.
Consider Quartz again., Triune One.
Nice findings there REL. Good research.
Nice points. The volcanic rock releasing ozone is highly interesting.
Especially to some like @ghetto alchemist and @Lakshmana who are into the volcanic materials.
The silica - ozone (and singlet) is highly interesting as well.
Consider Quartz again.
Thank you, Triune One.

With the perspective that Silica can act as a sort of “extremely viscous” mercury for Ozone, I find this excerpt from Mehung’s “A demonstration of Nature” sly:

“…even though we allow gold to be the most precious of metals, yet gold by itself cannot cure diseases, or heal the imperfections of other metals, or change them into gold.

In the same way glass (which might otherwise be the Philosopher's Stone) can never become so soft as to be rendered malleable.”

So, if not for it’s fixed nature, eh? Could malleable be replaced with “sufficiently mercurial”, aka low viscosity?

Has me considering the initial pursuit to be that of finding a fluid matrix capable of maximal Ozone dissolving capacity. A fluid which can also cycle while within one vessel between liquid and gaseous states (via a gentle carefully controlled temp).

Based on my understanding thus far, interesting contenders are (ranked in descending capacity for holding Ozone):

A) Liquid Ozone
(leveraging Ozone’s own rarified internal Mercurial state?)
[liquid above -112c]

B) Distilled gum spirits of Turpentine
[liquid above -59c]

C) Liquid H2O + NaCl
[liquid above -21.1c]

D) Liquid H2O
[liquid above 0c]

A hen-like / warm dung temp is often prescribed, and given this same alignment and positive results via Nav’s experiments & testimony, I’m inclined not to over complicate upcoming experiments - as adding NaCl injects a variable not present in Nav’s successes, and the gear to facilitate liquid Ozone is beyond my present capabilities.

I will ensure to use freezing pure H2O while undergoing Ozone hydrolysis.

(I do continue to look forward to one day experimenting with Pine / Oak Turpentine as a Mercury substitute / analysis of the natural Ozone content of freshly collected Oak sap

Going by the “Dry Ozone” study linked to, an industrial Ozone generator releasing its gas into a dry ice cooled column of powdered Silica / Quartz, and then mixing the infused matter with an ice cold H2O solution, is also enticing)
 

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Based on my understanding thus far, interesting contenders are (ranked in descending capacity for holding Ozone):

A) Liquid Ozone
(leveraging Ozone’s own rarified internal Mercurial state?)
[liquid above -112c]

B) Distilled gum spirits of Turpentine
[liquid above -59c]

C) Liquid H2O + NaCl
[liquid above -21.1c]

D) Liquid H2O
[liquid above 0c]

A hen-like / warm dung temp is often prescribed, and given this same alignment and positive results via Nav’s experiments & testimony, I’m inclined not to over complicate upcoming experiments - as adding NaCl injects a variable not present in Nav’s successes, and the gear to facilitate liquid Ozone is beyond my present capabilities.

I will ensure to use freezing pure H2O while undergoing Ozone hydrolysis.

(I do continue to look forward to one day experimenting with Pine / Oak Turpentine as a Mercury substitute / analysis of the natural Ozone content of freshly collected Oak sap

Going by the “Dry Ozone” study linked to, an industrial Ozone generator releasing its gas into a dry ice cooled column of powdered Silica / Quartz, and then mixing the infused matter with an ice cold H2O solution, is also enticing)


From Wikipedia -
Ozone is a colourless or pale blue gas, slightly soluble in water and much more soluble in inert non-polar solvents such as carbon tetrachloride or fluorocarbons, in which it forms a blue solution.

Turpentine does contain non polar elements. But it is not a purely non-polar solvent.

Other non-polar solvents -
Di-ethyl ether (A mixture of ether and ozone forms aldehyde and acetic acid and a heavy liquid, ethyl peroxide, an explosive... [Mellor 1:911(1946-1947)].
that i find highly interesting.

Here's ChatGPT4's take:

Ozone is highly soluble in a variety of non-toxic, non-polar solvents. Some examples of such solvents include:
  1. Carbon Tetrachloride (CCl4): Carbon tetrachloride is a non-polar solvent that can dissolve a significant amount of ozone. However, it's important to note that carbon tetrachloride itself is toxic and poses health risks, so it may not be suitable for all applications.
  2. Chloroform (CHCl3): Chloroform is another non-polar solvent that can dissolve ozone. Like carbon tetrachloride, chloroform is also toxic and should be handled with care.
  3. Tetrachloroethylene (C2Cl4): Tetrachloroethylene, commonly known as perchloroethylene or "perc," is a non-polar solvent used in dry cleaning. It can dissolve ozone and is less toxic than carbon tetrachloride and chloroform. However, it should still be handled with caution.
  4. Diethyl Ether (C4H10O): Diethyl ether is a less toxic non-polar solvent that can dissolve ozone. It's commonly used in laboratories and has a lower toxicity profile compared to some of the previously mentioned solvents.
  5. Hexane (C6H14): Hexane is a non-polar solvent that can dissolve ozone and is less toxic than some other options. It's often used in chemistry and industry.

this is not a bad direction for possible experimentation since silver is not readily soluble in these non polar solvents.

However, water may just be the best solvent, even though the solubility of the ozone is less.
 

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From Wikipedia -
Ozone is a colourless or pale blue gas, slightly soluble in water and much more soluble in inert non-polar solvents such as carbon tetrachloride or fluorocarbons, in which it forms a blue solution.

Turpentine does contain non polar elements. But it is not a purely non-polar solvent.

Other non-polar solvents -

that i find highly interesting.

Here's ChatGPT4's take:



this is not a bad direction for possible experimentation since silver is not readily soluble in these non polar solvents.

However, water may just be the best solvent, even though the solubility of the ozone is less.

“Pale blue gas, dark blue liquid and violet black solid with characteristic strong smell, slightly soluble in water but more soluble in turpentine oil, glacial acetic acid and carbon tetrachloride.

Source:

Long story… but many moons ago Spirit guided me to learn more about Oak. There’s lots of fascinating lore to Oak, as I am sure some are aware) so suffice it to say Nav’s hints about “certain trees” x Ozone inspired an investigation into the “blood” of this King of the Forrest.

As data isn’t readily available on it’s “blood”, I figured Pine tree “blood” could act as a rough proof of concept.

The trail seems warm with Turpentine, as even though I am sure no worthwhile amount of Ozone makes it into the distilled end product one can procure via merchants, the alleged fact that it readily dissolves Ozone more so than H2O seems to be a wink in the direction that a healthy Pine (& perhaps Oak) has our Ozone coursing through it’s veins (at least under cool, dark, and ideally post lightning conditions).

Again so long as the above source is accurate, I’d wager Oak “Turpentine” might be at least as good of a “Mercury” for Ozone as refined Pine “blood”.

Who knows… maybe taking a respectful “blood sacrifice” from an Oak in the right time of year / cool evening (and quickly hermetically sealing the unrefined resinous matter) might just procure a naturally high degree of organically condensed Ozone.


Anyway, I also agree that my overly creative mind may just be making matters too complex, and that obsessing over some penultimate Mercury over and above what humble cool H2O can deliver may be a needless usage of precious time.

The more I digest that last text I quoted, I am humbled by the power with which Nature is offering to bring to bear… via what appears to be a process greatly aligned with Nav’s essentially single vessel-many stages in one operation, hinging on seemingly an Ozone rich initial compound.


In the end, and so long as certain key variables & conditions be in place, one may only need to supply a surprisingly little amount of initial Ozone; such that She can go to work with nurturing & multiplying it’s innate spirit of Fire within our Mercurial Water.
 

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ALCHEMY REDISCOVERED AND RESTORED By Archibald Cockren said:
The atom of oxygen is like a sponge that holds a certain amount of etheric force or electricity (the Quintessence), each atom enclosing within itself a charge of vital energy. The human body is a chemical laboratory and the so-called atoms of oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, etc., contain within themselves charges of Vital Energy.

No question that Nav has cracked this imho
 

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Interesting to see Ozone being used in industry to facilitate state of the art low temperature calcining:



Also interesting to read of Au’s affinity for an aqueous Ozone solution:


Further interesting to see metallic Au being dissolved, without Aqua Rigia: