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Ozone as the Prima Materia

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As interesting as this might be I believe you might be seeing what you want to see here. Oxygen didnt have its name until 1777, well after Marrow of Alchemy.

I think the 3, 2, 1 sequence is probably referring to 3 things making 2 which come together to make 1 that is spoken about in many texts.
The alchemists didn't understand about oxygen, they called it air and always stipulated that without air their work cannot be done.
That's why they pinned the sheets out in the spring, the moonlight and starlight provided the UV which impregnated the dew with O3 and they collected it. It's a well known alchemical process and can be repeated today. You couldn't do it in the summer because O3 degrades quickly in summer temperatures.
 

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I would ask someone to interpret the plate Mercurial meets Saturn pictured above, not mine, give me yours.
There's nothing to do here anymore for me, I shouldn't have returned and said what I did. I'm sorry.
Good luck guys, love and peace always. Those who took something from it, use your noggin, those who didn't, use your noggin. 🤔
 

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The name of the plate is Mercurious meets with Saturn. Since we know what Saturn is we are left with ozone as the only candidate for Mercurious. Ozone is the mercury. I told you all not to play with real mercury years ago. :eek:
Saturn is not lead, close but no cigar. It's the next door neighbour to the right. ;)
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#220 Notice where the scythe cuts into on the plate, the colour? Where have you seen that
colour before? I have an ingot in my hand right now that weighs 120g of a metal with the exact same colour

#228 colour before? I have an ingot in my hand right now that weighs 120g of a metal with the exact same colour I would ask someone to interpret the plate Mercurial meets Saturn pictured above, not mine, give me yours.

Hi dear friend nav2010

you say:
in post #219
Saturn is not lead, close but no cigar. It's the next door neighbour to the right. ;)

.. It's the next door neighbour to the right ... it is BISMUTH

#220 Notice where the scythe cuts into on the plate, the colour? Where have you seen that colour before? I have an ingot in my hand right now that weighs 120g of a metal with the exact same colour
And the color of the plate is the same as BISMUTH therefore our LEAD is BISMUTH

And the mineral that is in your photo in post #220 is BISMUTH

you say:
in post #220
It is lots of colours and when you make an amalgam with ozone it turns a diffrent colour.

Therefore in the figure post #220 (Titled Mercurious meets with Saturn.) it is shown that the ozone must done amalgam with the BISMUTH ?

My best regard Alfr
 
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The alchemists didn't understand about oxygen, they called it air and always stipulated that without air their work cannot be done.
That's why they pinned the sheets out in the spring, the moonlight and starlight provided the UV which impregnated the dew with O3 and they collected it. It's a well known alchemical process and can be repeated today.

I'm not saying anything about O3 and its use as "prima materia", I'm simply saying that looking at a 1600s text and saying the Os represent different forms of oxygen (O, O2,O3) is a stretch since the term came about in the second half of the 1700s.

You couldn't do it in the summer because O3 degrades quickly in summer temperatures.
By same logic, it should be most abundant in winter then right? Lowest temperatures means no degradation.
 
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Hi dear friend nav2010

you say:
in post #219
Saturn is not lead, close but no cigar. It's the next door neighbour to the right. ;)

.. It's the next door neighbour to the right ... it is BISMUTH


And the color of the plate is the same as BISMUTH therefore our LEAD is BISMUTH

And the mineral that is in your photo in post #220 is BISMUTH

you say:
in post #220
It is lots of colours and when you make an amalgam with ozone it turns a diffrent colour.

Therefore in the figure post #220 (Titled Mercurious meets with Saturn.) it is shown that the ozone must done amalgam with the BISMUTH ?

My best regard Alfr
You got it.
 

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I'm not saying anything about O3 and its use as "prima materia", I'm simply saying that looking at a 1600s text and saying the Os represent different forms of oxygen (O, O2,O3) is a stretch since the term came about in the second half of the 1700s.


By same logic, it should be most abundant in winter then right? Lowest temperatures means no degradation.
Read about the north wind. The north wind blowing on the rose tree. The north wind blowing on the oak. You'll understand once you get a grasp of it. Look at the plate the massacre of the innocents. Now you can interpret Mercurial meets with Saturn, see if you can do the same and interpret the plate. You have a head start, you know the colours. The north wind is a phenomenon you can read about in science. It is different from the southern winds. But why? I shouldn't have to explain this to any alchemist, neither should I have to explain about the dew on the sheets in spring. The level of alchemic education is poor here, have any of you actually read the work of the sages and remembered it?
 

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The level of alchemic education is poor here, have any of you actually read the work of the sages and remembered it?
You say things like this about us, yet you're the one who who keeps pouring out reams of techno-babble but yet never once mentioned the "amazing spirit of the world" (aka HIM, plus a hundred other names) as having anything to do with your miraculous result/s.

When you started this thread, you were a wizard far advanced of myself and many others.
Yet now whenever you keep returning to the forums, you seem more and more diminished each time.
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I think it's because you've stagnated from your self-imposed exile/s, whereas we here in our community have continued to grow (and still growing) by sharing ideas, research, experiments and results.
If you're ever able to step down from your high horse and think of yourself as a part of a community of seekers (as you truly are) then perhaps you might end up with a better alchemic education for yourself.
 
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You say things like this about us, yet you're the one who who keeps pouring out reams of techno-babble but yet never once mentioned the "amazing spirit of the world" (aka HIM, plus a hundred other names) as having anything to do with your miraculous result/s.

When you started this thread, you were a wizard far advanced of myself and many others.
Yet now whenever you keep returning to the forums, you seem more and more diminished each time.
hfXz5TezP9mBN3RZnh4oMIRwpkz.jpg

I think it's because you've stagnated from your self-imposed exile/s, whereas we here in our community have continued to grow (and still growing) by sharing ideas, research, experiments and results.
If you're ever able to step down from your high horse and think of yourself as a part of a community of seekers (as you truly are) then perhaps you might end up with a better alchemic education for yourself.
It's frustrating when the basic principles of alchemy are forgotten. To have to explain everything which people should have read about years ago over and over again is hard work.
I'm not on a high horse and never have been, I'm the opposite, I'm humbled. Humbled by fellow alchemists, humbled by the art and humbled by God.
In the beginning I was nowhere, then I was somewhere but not quite knowing where and then I got somewhere and knew where I was.
That's how alchemy creeps up on you. Things change over time, we change, our attitude towards the art change, our goals change and our expectations change.
My expectations of others in the art is too high, that's my mistake. That's just sheer frustration on my behalf.
You say I don't mention HIM . That's because I don't subscribe to HIM and never have done. I subscribe to various states of existence in matter that can be explained in a new scientific frontier and will be in the years to come.
Because as God is my witness no alchemist or chemist or scientist for that matter will ever succeed in this art without understanding the role of oxygen and ozone
That is my promise to you and all on here.The world has changed, we are in dark times, time is limited. I'm trying to save you all 30 years and that's all I'm trying to do. I'm no wizard, I'm not higher than anyone here, I'm not trying to fool anyone or make a fool of anyone.
It's hard to understand.
 

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We each have an alchemical journey that is sacred to each and every one of us.
I cannot and will not interupt another persons alchemical journey or impose on it.
That's why I don't enter other people's threads and tell them they are wrong or deliberately lying or on a wrong path.
I've been wrong many times, we all have. Flamel was wrong, Bacon, Hermes, Boyle, you name them, all of them were wrong before they were right. It's part of the journey.
It's harder to deal with when you are right than when you are wrong, of that I can assure you all. I've done something that is wrong on top of something which is right though, I've broken a 3000 year oath. In different circumstances I might not have done it but I have and that's that.
What ever happens to us all in the future, I will still have broken an oath and its an anal crime in this art. That's not a delusion of grandeur, it's a fact that I have to live with.
My excuse to myself, all those that proceeded me and my contemporaries is it was an act of necessity rather than an act of betrayal.
Consider my actions not a blight on your alchemical journey but just a step in your journey.
Nav is just a step along the way, no different to a calcination you were doing yesterday.
The reason I come and go? I'll be honest, I'm scared of this art, scared of ramifications, scared of consequence and my wife is scared too. She often reminds me I'm playing with things I have no right to play with even though she knows I took cancer from my arms.
Sometimes I think about what she says and I think maybe she's right but then I look at the current planet I think she's wrong.
It's a fine line for me.
Thankyou all.
 
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I've borrowed this from another thread because it saves me from sifting through thousands of documents on my drives.
You should cross examine it and compare it to what I've told you.
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If you allow yourself the time, if you allow yourself the freedom to think, some of you will eventually cross over an imaginary line. Once you cross over this imaginary line there is no going back to the other side. Your behaviour once you cross, is down to you. Your attitude towards others who remain on the other side of the line must however remain humble and thankful because whether you like it or not, they helped you over the line and you can help them join you.
I'm shamed because I broke the oath but I'll see you on this side brothers.
 

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Well done Nav.

I don't personally see you being on any high horse. You've done the world a favour and had courage where others have sacrificed the lives of millions just to maintain an oath, to preserve a collective of people, to cow tow to a hierarchy that wants to stay in control. May justice be done to every man and woman that concealed the Stone from humanity, who kept it for their own selfish ideals, who sold their souls to secret societies for fame, status and wealth. The world must be freed. What was then no longer applies. Oaths are pointless now. Those with any real fragment of true love in them must save as many people as they can. You took a brave step Nav. In time the world will thank you.
 

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I'm shamed because I broke the oath but I'll see you on this side brothers.
Hi nav2010 dear friend and brother no you have nothing you should be ashamed of you have done absolutely well for us honor and immense respect and admiration for you nav2010 for having broken the oath even if very partially (truly breaking it and divulging the secret is much more) but still absolutely good so you start helping and loving humanity good honor and respect at you

My best regard alfr
 

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Hi nav2010 dear friend and brother no you have nothing you should be ashamed of you have done absolutely well for us honor and immense respect and admiration for you nav2010 for having broken the oath even if very partially (truly breaking it and divulging the secret is much more) but still absolutely good so you start helping and loving humanity good honor and respect at you

My best regard alfr
The broken oath has nothing to do with divulging secrets. It's who I divulge them to.
 

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The broken oath has nothing to do with divulging secrets. It's who I divulge them to.
Hi so it's not clear what you mean about broken oath ?
So what does it consist of when you tell yourself that you have broken your oath?

my best regard alfr
 

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The broken oath has nothing to do with divulging secrets. It's who I divulge them to.

You must question why you ever allowed yourself to take that oath in the first place. Was it not through pressure and the need to immerse yourself in something new before in truth you could ever truly know what it was you were agreeing to?
 

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You say things like this about us, yet you're the one who who keeps pouring out reams of techno-babble but yet never once mentioned the "amazing spirit of the world" (aka HIM, plus a hundred other names) as having anything to do with your miraculous result/s.

When you started this thread, you were a wizard far advanced of myself and many others.
Yet now whenever you keep returning to the forums, you seem more and more diminished each time.
hfXz5TezP9mBN3RZnh4oMIRwpkz.jpg

I think it's because you've stagnated from your self-imposed exile/s, whereas we here in our community have continued to grow (and still growing) by sharing ideas, research, experiments and results.
If you're ever able to step down from your high horse and think of yourself as a part of a community of seekers (as you truly are) then perhaps you might end up with a better alchemic education for yourself.
Its like a meeting of cosplaying wizards. I guess everyone is a super secret guardian of mystery wonder. I did tell you, I did warn you that it isnt wise to play here.
GA your great, better than this. Let people have what they want to believe.
 

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You must question why you ever allowed yourself to take that oath in the first place. Was it not through pressure and the need to immerse yourself in something new before in truth you could ever truly know what it was you were agreeing to?
It was never my oath, it was something I read years and years ago from the Bacon era. Something which I understood fully at the time but never ever thought would affect me or something that I'd ever think about again. It's not something you'd swear to keep as such but the ramifications of not keeping it are severe.
I said quite I while ago to keep in the health side and away from the wealth side. The problem is, I've dug myself into an hole so much I cannot seperate one from the other. I've just noticed this above:
Its like a meeting of cosplaying wizards. I guess everyone is a super secret guardian of mystery wonder
This is what is wrong you see, instead of saying I don't buy into this, explaining where I went wrong, you don't. You revert to this. That's not alchemy, it's just playing the hatred card but it's OK because I know where the hatred comes from and I expect it. I told people in PM's in the last two days that people like this would be along shortly. I forgive you Kibric. I know what you're doing because don't forget I've been at that stage too. My answer to you is this, let people experiment, let them decide for themselves then we'll see.
 

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I told people in PM's in the last two days that people like this would be along shortly.

People fear change. Those in control wish to stay in control. The thought of all humanity gaining the Stone is beyond the pale for them.
Society and the world as we know it would collapse. The value of gold and precious metals would collapse. The Pharma mega-industry and health systems/services would collapse. Banks would collapse. Governments would collapse. All work would cease in the short term. People would want for nothing. Would be free to just live and laugh and love, do what they wanted to do. No work. No money.

Eden

Power corrupts absolutely. Those jealously guarding their Stone are corrupt, full of greed and power. Like the story of the One Ring these people are weak and have succumbed to the power. They have forgotten love. So we have hell on Earth instead of Eden.
 

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Like I said before, no one is king here, there are no soap boxes to be bought and sold, no secrets to be kept from others in order to become a king. Anyone who enters this art and uses it for their own personal promotion or own personal stature is a fraud.
If I'm kicking soap boxes from underneath people's feet, if I'm dethroning kings in their own domain then hard lines.
There are no wizards, there is only good vs bad, good deeds vs bad deeds.
 

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At no time have I entered people's alchemical journey's and called them out in their threads, insulted their work or theory.
At no time have I tried to interfere with someone's alchemical progress.
But strangely, people have entered mine and done exactly that. Why?
Not only have they entered my domain, they have warned others that my domain is fantasy and to keep out of it. Why?
What scares them? The truth scares people. It not only scares people, it takes away their power just like Pilgrim told you.
One of the things about alchemy is that it causes power struggles. Power struggles where a person can control another person just by witholding a secret, or proposed secret, then they become king.
No more kings, no more secrets. Not in this domain.
 

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Read about the north wind. The north wind blowing on the rose tree. The north wind blowing on the oak. You'll understand once you get a grasp of it. Look at the plate the massacre of the innocents. Now you can interpret Mercurial meets with Saturn, see if you can do the same and interpret the plate. You have a head start, you know the colours. The north wind is a phenomenon you can read about in science. It is different from the southern winds. But why? I shouldn't have to explain this to any alchemist, neither should I have to explain about the dew on the sheets in spring. The level of alchemic education is poor here, have any of you actually read the work of the sages and remembered it?

Thanks Nav for your pointers. I can't help but feel like you're making a few assumptions here. I entered this thread to point out that a Pilgrims conjecture that the arrangement of Os on a image he posted could have been related to modern molecular nomenclature for arrangements of oxygen. Based on the dates alone this would be inaccurate. I can only guess that you agree with Pilgrims interpretation to which I also respectfully disagree with you.

My post said nothing about the role of the air in alchemy, either for or against. A great many texts speak about air and the north, north star etc going right back to the Emerald tablet. I know about dew, I know about catching it on sheets. You say you shouldnt have to explain any of this to an alchemist, to which I humbly say that I am not. Did I ask for you to explain any of this and then chastised me for not knowing this already? No. I didnt, my post contained nothing about what you responded with. This all seems like some kind of egotistical larp to me and a weird one at that.

Nothing about my posts was criticizing your posts and yet you've gone on to say I havent read or remembered alchemical texts? I fail to see the connection and tbh it comes across as a bit egotistical.

I am interested in the topic but due to your attitude I distinctively feel like I don't want to participate in any further discussion.
 

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People fear change. Those in control wish to stay in control. The thought of all humanity gaining the Stone is beyond the pale for them.
Society and the world as we know it would collapse. The value of gold and precious metals would collapse. The Pharma mega-industry and health systems/services would collapse. Banks would collapse. Governments would collapse. All work would cease in the short term. People would want for nothing. Would be free to just live and laugh and love, do what they wanted to do. No work. No money.

Eden

Power corrupts absolutely. Those jealously guarding their Stone are corrupt, full of greed and power. Like the story of the One Ring these people are weak and have succumbed to the power. They have forgotten love. So we have hell on Earth instead of Eden.
Hi Pilgrim we are totally agree with what you say in your various posts against the alchemical secret
Therefore as we we say in many our post exaple :#659 #661 etc so about these we propose to organize ourselves, coordinate and so let's move on to the facts
we propose to those who believe like you in these high values of the end of the alchemical secret of dissemination of it to help and save humanity from extermination and so that it becomes both the heritage of the world and that thanks to this it is triggered a development of humanity in light, harmony and love and therefore we promise to those who think like this to unite and organize ourselves. And started to work together without secrets but with sincere, open and mutual help to get together to obtain stone and elixir and donate them to humanity so as to save it from pandemics and suffering and from the extermination that the NWO and their real dark puppeteers have planned with their chilling agendas 2030 - 2050 etc are being implemented with the systematic extermination in the world

my best regard alfr
 

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Because as God is my witness no alchemist or chemist or scientist for that matter will ever succeed in this art without understanding the role of oxygen and ozone
IMO, that's true.
But also IMO it's only half true, you still need HIM as well.
Use all the oxygen and ozone you want, but without any HIM, all you'll ever have is chemistry and not alchemy.
The world has changed, we are in dark times, time is limited. I'm trying to save you all 30 years and that's all I'm trying to do.
Absolutely correct.
Did you know that oncologists all over the world are reporting cancer rates are now occurring at 10X the rate they were compared to pre-pandemic?
I've broken a 3000 year oath.
You're going to have to make up for it, by saving some lives (besides your own and your wife's).
it's just playing the hatred card but it's OK because I know where the hatred comes from and I expect it
Thanks for noticing this (even though it was directed at Kibric and not me), because you've drawn a bit of anger out of me.
It's because you found a cure for cancer that works in several days.
I'll give you points for initially sharing it, but then you exiled yourself preventing anybody from getting to ask you any questions for replication.
Then you come back and refuse to answer anybody's direct questions anyway.
Too bad for anyone who actually had/has cancer and wants to save themselves as you did...they're fucked, and you seem totally ok about it.
Ironic, because I critisise you not for the oath you broke, but for keeping secrecy at a time when many are about to start dying in droves when you with-held knowledge which might have enabled them to cure themselves.

One more thing....did you know most people don't believe you?
I've had multiple people tell me over the years that they think you were lieing.
To be fair, some believe you too (that includes myself), but there's not many of us.
 
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Thanks Nav for your pointers. I can't help but feel like you're making a few assumptions here. I entered this thread to point out that a Pilgrims conjecture that the arrangement of Os on a image he posted could have been related to modern molecular nomenclature for arrangements of oxygen. Based on the dates alone this would be inaccurate. I can only guess that you agree with Pilgrims interpretation to which I also respectfully disagree with you.

My post said nothing about the role of the air in alchemy, either for or against. A great many texts speak about air and the north, north star etc going right back to the Emerald tablet. I know about dew, I know about catching it on sheets. You say you shouldnt have to explain any of this to an alchemist, to which I humbly say that I am not. Did I ask for you to explain any of this and then chastised me for not knowing this already? No. I didnt, my post contained nothing about what you responded with. This all seems like some kind of egotistical larp to me and a weird one at that.

Nothing about my posts was criticizing your posts and yet you've gone on to say I havent read or remembered alchemical texts? I fail to see the connection and tbh it comes across as a bit egotistical.

I am interested in the topic but due to your attitude I distinctively feel like I don't want to participate in any further discussion.
I'm sorry you feel that way but it is hard to get my work across to an half educated audience and have to explain the basic principles time and time again. To initiates, I don't mind, but to educated alchemists practising or not is intimidating to me and others.
That's my fault like I explained earlier, my tolerance of ignorance is not as it should be.
There is no ego involved, that's why I'm educating people in other ways other than an open forum, it's not about me, never has been, it's not about being the king of my domain, my domain is and always will be without kings. You seem an educated man in as far as the art, or course I respect that as well as anyone here who has taken the time to educate themselves.
Your personal alchemical journey is yours and yours alone, I wouldn't ask you to be part of mine and I don't troll this forum dragging people into my journey either, nor would I ask someone to stay part of a discussion in which they are not comfortable.
So with that, I bid you fairwell and wish you well.