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. Ozone as the Prima Materia

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By the look of the votes, this is a done deal already so lets get on with it.
The Prima Materia.

Like all the other Sages that walked before me I swear by almighty God that this is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
The Sages before me had previously sworn never to divulge the Prima Materia in which nature performs cold fusion, which is the only scientific explanation I can give for it. I, however having stumbled upon this good fortune, am not prepared to selfishly keep this information to myself and have chosen to reveal what all previous people have selfishly not revealed.
I hope that the information will be used to the good of mankind and brings health, happiness and salvation to those who need it, so help me God.

There is an air that the Sages tried to gather by the Moon and by the stars at night and in the morning dew. This air is an Oxygen bond that is created when the Ultraviolet light of the Sun and the stars shine on the atmosphere of the Earth. This is why the Sages called it the Hermaphrodite child of the Sun and Moon. In early days it was gathered by placing sheets pegged in each corner so that the dew was impregnated by the light of the Sun and the Moon and stars. This Oxygen is known as the Serpent and has an half life of 3 days when it in normal air and a very short half life of between 12 minutes and 3 hours when it is trapped in the dew of the sheets or water.
This is represented by in the book of Abraham the Jew by Saturn stood on a cloud with an hour glass on his head, for this Oxygen is bound by the constraints of time in which it can cut through the hardness of the noble metals.
The Mercurial waters in the drawing by Abraham show the serpents escaping through the hills as it is released by the water and on another drawing the Oxygen is blown by the north wind onto the tree and then into the roots of the tree where it appears in the garden as springs.
This Oxygen is known to us as Ozone.
Ozone only appears in nature high up in the atmosphere produced when Ultraviolet light shines on Oxygen, deep underground as a result of trioxides, sometimes it is chemically bonded into root systems such as Marigolds and certain tree’s and by lighting strikes on Earth during storms. It can be produced very easily with Electrolysis of normal water, or running fresh water by a strong UV bulb or in air using Plasma arks or coronal discharge.
There is however, an unlearned truth about this Oxygen bond, which I am going to tell you.
Take two pieces of stainless steel, you can cut them from an old knife or anything really, you just need about 2 square inch of thin stainless steel so you have two separate plates of one square inch each.
Take the two plates and make a sandwich of them, so they are 3mm apart, place two thin plastics strips that are 3mm square between them to hold them apart so you have a stainless steel sandwich held apart by the plastic strips. Place the strips at either end of the stainless steel so there is a void in the middle. You can use silicone sealant to glue the whole thing in place but only use small amounts of silicone. This is an anode and cathode of a device we will use to create and collect Ozone in water. Once the silicone has dried, get a glass beaker of approx 500ml in volume. With a blob of silicone in the middle of one of the plates, glue it to the inside of the beaker so that the plastic spacers are pointing towards the bottom of the beaker and so the whole thing is three quarters inside the beaker and a quarter of it would be in air should the beaker be full of water.
Fill the beaker with double distilled water or water from a very clean stream or river, do not use tap water. Take the 9v battery and the wires, which need to be about 8 inches long each. Place crocodile clips on either end of each wire so that you can connect the battery to the wires and the wires to each of the plates. They need to be small clips for to connect onto the plates so that you don’t touch both plates with one clip and short circuit the plates. This whole apparatus will take you about an hour at most to construct. Fill the beaker with the specified water making sure that a quarter of your plates are out of the water. Connect the positive lead to the plate that faces the middle of the beaker and the negative to the plate that is nearest the glass. Don’t let the crocodile clips touch the water; only let them touch each respective plate only.
This is the hardest part of the work done.
What happens is @ 1.23v Oxygen and Hydrogen separate into their respective elements and will leave the water as bubbles. @ 1.51v the same process takes place but this time O3 Oxygen molecules form on and around the Anode of the device. Let this happen for a while and keep producing O3 bonds for 5 minutes but if the water temp increases to 37C then stop. Take the water out but do not dismantle your device because you are going to need it in the next few days.
Place the O3 laced water in a tightly sealed glass container within seconds of creating it. If you use a jam jar or anything with a rubber seal, the O3 will attack the rubber within seconds and it will begin to leak. You will smell a very pungent Chlorine smell because of the leak so therefore it must be sealed with silicone rubber. When our process gets into the later stages there is nothing in this world that it will not attack apart from glass but it’s something you learn to live with.
Once sealed in a vessel, keep it at 37C and out of direct sunlight and you are going to see something that is just going to blow your mind. After a few hours white shining oil starts to appear in the water and after two days it starts to take over the vessel. The constant evaporation and distillation is none stop and the volume of water starts to reduce in the vessel as the white oil increases. After a number of days it will start to get really, really volatile and you will run out of water and you will be scratching your head where this water has gone because the white oil is nowhere near the original volume of water but feel the weight of the vessel and you will know. Go through your electrolysis process five minutes before you put more water in the vessel and give it half as much water as you did the first time, 250ml. Using a rubber glove and not your bare fingers to just feel the white oil, it does not wet the rubber glove and feels like you are poking something solid and the best description is that its like poking your own stomach, feeling heavy and lazy. In scientific terms I would not know how to describe what is happening, all I can say is that there seems to be cold fusion going on and a heavy element is being created while another is being destroyed. The crucified serpent in the book of Abraham the Jew is the explanation that the Sages gave.
It will not evaporate the whole of the 250ml that you provided and it stops. This is the end of this stage I think. A word of warning at this stage, the white oil is by now very dangerous and it will dissolve anything and I mean anything including your skin, do not touch it or smell it and keep it sealed. It will eat through any metal but the glass of the beaker seems not to be touched by it. When you give it something to eat, the evaporation and distilling starts all over again and the volatile state increases
again. This stuff at first tries to eat itself for a time then when it’s had enough of itself it wants to eat other things like metal and will do so until you feed it what it wants.
I made a few mistakes with it at first, I tried giving it metals like iron filings and lead filings thinking it would turn them to gold but it doesn’t do anything.
There is no heat involved at all, it just dissolves absolutely anything then eats the vapour inside the beaker that came from the reaction. Its PH is neither acid nor alkaline. I was for a long time struggling to find something to do with it and then one day about six months ago I did something. I had on my left arm malignant melanoma. The cancer was in the early stages, two patches about half an inch in diameter each and in the black and bleeding stage of the disease. For some reason unbeknown to myself I decided that I was going to cure it with my stuff and silver, it just felt right to do so. I took a small amount of the white water and separated with a Stanley blade and let it eat silver filings till it would eat no more. It changed the consistency of the oil to a more buttery stuff and I was shitting myself with what I was about to do. I could either burn my arm off with it, in which case the cancer would be gone anyway, poison myself with it or die of cancer anyway so I thought fuck it and buttered it on my arm on one of the patches but very thin. The first two days were a nightmare, talk about itch, it was driving me potty, then on about the fifth day a black scab appeared which dropped off after a few more days, the other patch did the same on its own and now as God is my witness the cancer was gone in a week, there is just a different coloured skin where it was. I made the stupid mistake of showing someone who had seen my melanoma in previous weeks and I couldn’t tell him what I’d done but I got an evil and distasteful look from him.
It was at this stage that I knew what I had achieved with my white stuff. I haven’t got the money to carry on with the rest of my work because the Prima Materia needs to absorb Gold for the next stage and my Gold is poor being only 18crt.
There are two questions which need answering:
The first one is how the hell can you start off with 500ml of Ozone water in a sealed vessel at 37C and end up with a white spongy oil of 50ml that weighs the same as the whole of the water?
Secondly, how did the amalgam of it and silver kill my cancer?
I honestly do not know the answers but that is what happened.
The reason that many have failed in this is because they do not know about the half life of O3 in water, which in turn forms back into O2 within minutes of creating it in water. They never fully understood how UV creates it in the world we live in.
You now know the Prima Materia and that as they say, is that.
See you in another four years folks.
 

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Truly fascinating. Thank you for putting forward your work. I feel regeneration, longevity, and enlightenment are as much a birthright as the hair on your head. We've been deceived and forgotten our divine heritage. It's high time humanity saw the light, this world needs it now more than ever.
 

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Bravo! Thank you for sharing your findings. I think there is truth in what you say and this opens up many new avenues for study.

Just wondering when and how did you begin to form this conclusion? Mainly, what was the aha moment for you.
 

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Truly fascinating. Thank you for putting forward your work. I feel regeneration, longevity, and enlightenment are as much a birthright as the hair on your head. We've been deceived and forgotten our divine heritage. It's high time humanity saw the light, this world needs it now more than ever.
Last week my wife and I watched a film called The Age Of Adaline. The film was about a woman that was involved in a accident and then struck by lightening. This led to her having a gene disorder that stopped her from aging. She felt lonely and constantly ran away from those who surrounded her so that she could remain anonymous to the world and they wouldn't discover her secret. I thought about it for days and came to the conclusion that I want to get old, I want to die before my children and have a fulfilled life like many before me. This technology doesn't need to be used selfishly, it doesn't need to be used in illgotten ways like the Sages used it, They are the ones who abused it, they are the ones that ran away just like Adaline did in the film. I think there are people in this world who already know about this and use it responsibly and I think that they know that soon it will become common knowledge and this film is a warning.

Bravo! Thank you for sharing your findings. I think there is truth in what you say and this opens up many new avenues for study.

Just wondering when and how did you begin to form this conclusion? Mainly, what was the aha moment for you.
As soon as I saw the oil on the water and the water dissapearing into knowhere, I knew that this was never going to be a normal experience. As for the cancer, i'm still shaking my head with disbelief. Its just magical and a feel humbled that nature showed me a way. I don't even know how I got to where I am, I had a lot of weird dreams and nightmares and i'd given up on it then decided to have one last go at it.
 
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I'll have to check that movie out, sounds good. I agree it shouldn't be used selfishly. This is my own opinion, but I can feel a change in the wind. Humanity is trapped in illusion, more so now with the advent of artificial intelligence and the dream of artificial immortality. Both good and evil will seek to use whatever technology is present, though ultimately I believe this is all a part of something greater. The Buddha said even the soul must be transcended. Even the most potent of physical substances is merely a symbol of greater things to come. For better or worse it is a divine gift, if anything it's obscurity has left us without recourse to the evils in this world and let them fester. For evil to flourish good men need only do nothing, it seems from here this is what the secrets of alchemy have lead to. Concrete, guns, chemistry, medicine, and so much more alchemy has given the world, yet the truly redeeming aspect has been held secret. We cannot go on without the divine. We will not make it. So I thank you again for what you've given to us.
 

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Archemical water work? Interesting explanation of Ozone nav! The only other work I've seen with water is the Gur work, and some mentions by John French. But your work goes well with Backstrom's 'electrified flask' comment as well.

But you say it will eat through any metal.. but also that you haven't tried it with gold yet?
Could you clarify this?
 

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Thanks for sharing your discovery, nav2010! This certainly merits some experimentation. You mentioned that you could not afford gold for your further experiments. Have you thought of using pure Silver instead? The Alchemists always said that either gold OR Silver could be used.
 

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By the look of the votes, this is a done deal already so lets get on with it.
The Prima Materia.

Like all the other Sages that walked before me I swear by almighty God that this is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
The Sages before me had previously sworn never to divulge the Prima Materia in which nature performs cold fusion, which is the only scientific explanation I can give for it. I, however having stumbled upon this good fortune, am not prepared to selfishly keep this information to myself and have chosen to reveal what all previous people have selfishly not revealed.
I hope that the information will be used to the good of mankind and brings health, happiness and salvation to those who need it, so help me God.

There is an air that the Sages tried to gather by the Moon and by the stars at night and in the morning dew. This air is an Oxygen bond that is created when the Ultraviolet light of the Sun and the stars shine on the atmosphere of the Earth. This is why the Sages called it the Hermaphrodite child of the Sun and Moon. In early days it was gathered by placing sheets pegged in each corner so that the dew was impregnated by the light of the Sun and the Moon and stars. This Oxygen is known as the Serpent and has an half life of 3 days when it in normal air and a very short half life of between 12 minutes and 3 hours when it is trapped in the dew of the sheets or water.
This is represented by in the book of Abraham the Jew by Saturn stood on a cloud with an hour glass on his head, for this Oxygen is bound by the constraints of time in which it can cut through the hardness of the noble metals.
The Mercurial waters in the drawing by Abraham show the serpents escaping through the hills as it is released by the water and on another drawing the Oxygen is blown by the north wind onto the tree and then into the roots of the tree where it appears in the garden as springs.
This Oxygen is known to us as Ozone.
Ozone only appears in nature high up in the atmosphere produced when Ultraviolet light shines on Oxygen, deep underground as a result of trioxides, sometimes it is chemically bonded into root systems such as Marigolds and certain tree’s and by lighting strikes on Earth during storms. It can be produced very easily with Electrolysis of normal water, or running fresh water by a strong UV bulb or in air using Plasma arks or coronal discharge.
There is however, an unlearned truth about this Oxygen bond, which I am going to tell you.
Take two pieces of stainless steel, you can cut them from an old knife or anything really, you just need about 2 square inch of thin stainless steel so you have two separate plates of one square inch each.
Take the two plates and make a sandwich of them, so they are 3mm apart, place two thin plastics strips that are 3mm square between them to hold them apart so you have a stainless steel sandwich held apart by the plastic strips. Place the strips at either end of the stainless steel so there is a void in the middle. You can use silicone sealant to glue the whole thing in place but only use small amounts of silicone. This is an anode and cathode of a device we will use to create and collect Ozone in water. Once the silicone has dried, get a glass beaker of approx 500ml in volume. With a blob of silicone in the middle of one of the plates, glue it to the inside of the beaker so that the plastic spacers are pointing towards the bottom of the beaker and so the whole thing is three quarters inside the beaker and a quarter of it would be in air should the beaker be full of water.
Fill the beaker with double distilled water or water from a very clean stream or river, do not use tap water. Take the 9v battery and the wires, which need to be about 8 inches long each. Place crocodile clips on either end of each wire so that you can connect the battery to the wires and the wires to each of the plates. They need to be small clips for to connect onto the plates so that you don’t touch both plates with one clip and short circuit the plates. This whole apparatus will take you about an hour at most to construct. Fill the beaker with the specified water making sure that a quarter of your plates are out of the water. Connect the positive lead to the plate that faces the middle of the beaker and the negative to the plate that is nearest the glass. Don’t let the crocodile clips touch the water; only let them touch each respective plate only.
This is the hardest part of the work done.
What happens is @ 1.23v Oxygen and Hydrogen separate into their respective elements and will leave the water as bubbles. @ 1.51v the same process takes place but this time O3 Oxygen molecules form on and around the Anode of the device. Let this happen for a while and keep producing O3 bonds for 5 minutes but if the water temp increases to 37C then stop. Take the water out but do not dismantle your device because you are going to need it in the next few days.
Place the O3 laced water in a tightly sealed glass container within seconds of creating it. If you use a jam jar or anything with a rubber seal, the O3 will attack the rubber within seconds and it will begin to leak. You will smell a very pungent Chlorine smell because of the leak so therefore it must be sealed with silicone rubber. When our process gets into the later stages there is nothing in this world that it will not attack apart from glass but it’s something you learn to live with.
Once sealed in a vessel, keep it at 37C and out of direct sunlight and you are going to see something that is just going to blow your mind. After a few hours white shining oil starts to appear in the water and after two days it starts to take over the vessel. The constant evaporation and distillation is none stop and the volume of water starts to reduce in the vessel as the white oil increases. After a number of days it will start to get really, really volatile and you will run out of water and you will be scratching your head where this water has gone because the white oil is nowhere near the original volume of water but feel the weight of the vessel and you will know. Go through your electrolysis process five minutes before you put more water in the vessel and give it half as much water as you did the first time, 250ml. Using a rubber glove and not your bare fingers to just feel the white oil, it does not wet the rubber glove and feels like you are poking something solid and the best description is that its like poking your own stomach, feeling heavy and lazy. In scientific terms I would not know how to describe what is happening, all I can say is that there seems to be cold fusion going on and a heavy element is being created while another is being destroyed. The crucified serpent in the book of Abraham the Jew is the explanation that the Sages gave.
It will not evaporate the whole of the 250ml that you provided and it stops. This is the end of this stage I think. A word of warning at this stage, the white oil is by now very dangerous and it will dissolve anything and I mean anything including your skin, do not touch it or smell it and keep it sealed. It will eat through any metal but the glass of the beaker seems not to be touched by it. When you give it something to eat, the evaporation and distilling starts all over again and the volatile state increases
again. This stuff at first tries to eat itself for a time then when it’s had enough of itself it wants to eat other things like metal and will do so until you feed it what it wants.
I made a few mistakes with it at first, I tried giving it metals like iron filings and lead filings thinking it would turn them to gold but it doesn’t do anything.
There is no heat involved at all, it just dissolves absolutely anything then eats the vapour inside the beaker that came from the reaction. Its PH is neither acid nor alkaline. I was for a long time struggling to find something to do with it and then one day about six months ago I did something. I had on my left arm malignant melanoma. The cancer was in the early stages, two patches about half an inch in diameter each and in the black and bleeding stage of the disease. For some reason unbeknown to myself I decided that I was going to cure it with my stuff and silver, it just felt right to do so. I took a small amount of the white water and separated with a Stanley blade and let it eat silver filings till it would eat no more. It changed the consistency of the oil to a more buttery stuff and I was shitting myself with what I was about to do. I could either burn my arm off with it, in which case the cancer would be gone anyway, poison myself with it or die of cancer anyway so I thought fuck it and buttered it on my arm on one of the patches but very thin. The first two days were a nightmare, talk about itch, it was driving me potty, then on about the fifth day a black scab appeared which dropped off after a few more days, the other patch did the same on its own and now as God is my witness the cancer was gone in a week, there is just a different coloured skin where it was. I made the stupid mistake of showing someone who had seen my melanoma in previous weeks and I couldn’t tell him what I’d done but I got an evil and distasteful look from him.
It was at this stage that I knew what I had achieved with my white stuff. I haven’t got the money to carry on with the rest of my work because the Prima Materia needs to absorb Gold for the next stage and my Gold is poor being only 18crt.
There are two questions which need answering:
The first one is how the hell can you start off with 500ml of Ozone water in a sealed vessel at 37C and end up with a white spongy oil of 50ml that weighs the same as the whole of the water?
Secondly, how did the amalgam of it and silver kill my cancer?
I honestly do not know the answers but that is what happened.
The reason that many have failed in this is because they do not know about the half life of O3 in water, which in turn forms back into O2 within minutes of creating it in water. They never fully understood how UV creates it in the world we live in.
You now know the Prima Materia and that as they say, is that.
See you in another four years folks.

That's it? This is the thing that is supposed to knock our socks of? As I suspected, claims that have hardly anything to do with alchemy, properly. Pure sensationalism and fishy boasts. To start with, practically nothing of what you describe was known to people from centuries ago, so they obviously could not have been doing such things. Also, the fact that you say that you have not been able to continue these experiments for lack of money and only having 18K gold (what's the matter, you are such a great "alchemist" and yet do not know how to perform simple purifications of gold?) finally answers the question I asked you before in another thread, about whether you have really prepared the Stone or not and tested whether it does transmute metals, and which you basically avoided to give a direct and unambiguous answer to. And the answer is obviously "NO!". If you really had, then you would not have need for money to continue. Use your supposed "white stuff" to make silver out of cheaper metals like lead or tin so you can finance your own experiments. I guess you can't because it doesn't really transmute metals into silver. Now, what were you saying to me in another thread about being "embarrassed"? Oh, yeah, that's what you should feel after this sensationalist fiasco. This is what happens to people with the mentality I described in the other thread: people who have not really fully and appropriately tested their beliefs and speculations to make absolutely sure that they are correct, but yet they still proclaim success. Unfortunately, the usual outcome of these habits is to make others waste their time and money in things that are almost always mistaken. Think of Starkey and his antimony regulus and mercury claims as a perfect historical example of this. Throngs of people for the last roughly 300 years have been wasting their time and money "cooking" and distilling antimony amalgams in the hope of getting the "Philosophical Mercury" because of this guy and his bad habit of passing his speculations and theories as if they were proven facts. A look at Starkey's laboratory notebooks, however, tells a very different story of his repeated failures to get anywhere with such methods, despite his assurances and promises of success to others.
 

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hi nav2010 very thank you for sharing your findings.very thanks all this open many door of many possible experiment very interesting thanks

my best regard
 

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Ozone won't dissolve gold, platinum or iridium.
It alone is a powerful oxidize and can oxidize the lesser metals easily to their highest oxidation state.

You essentially made a sort of colloidal silver... Silver butter, if you'd like. The oil/gel bit is curious in and of itself - but prolonged exposure to ozone is harmful to the lungs and an irritant to the eyes and skin; it's named after that chlorine-like smell, which in and of itself is a warning that you're fixing to piss off your lungs in the long run.
A combination of the silver's antibacterial and antimicrobial effects, and the ozone's powerful oxidizing, is probably what ate your cancer.

The Stone, it is not, however.
 

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The Stone, it is not, however.

I would have to agree, but I am no expert in chemistry... at first glance it reminded me of some sort of advanced ORMUS process...

There are many things that can cure cancer: colon flush, cannabis oil, ayahuasca etc... so alas I don't think that the fact it cured cancer is proof that it is the Stone.

The most powerful cure is the mind, so with the faith you had that it might be the Stone could be the very thing that cured you. And by believing in the Stone you are creating the Stone... so in a sense it is the Stone.

Why do alchemists always think the Stone is in physical form? ;)

:cool:

Spin-off thread created from this post: Is alchemy sacred?
 
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From A Rosicrucian Notebook:

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More in the book.

However, from notes on the same chapter in the book:

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He shared his discoveries... no need to attack his views!
There are kinder ways to agree or disagree. This isn't a competition.

YOu know, he posted something interesting, which may have mistakes or not... but at least it is something to think about.

As a song goes: "It's so easy to laugh, It's so easy to hate, It takes strength to be gentle and kind".

I do not understand some things of what he explained, maybe it's the language barriers:

By the look of the votes, this is a done deal already so lets get on with it.
The Prima Materia.

(...)

There is however, an unlearned truth about this Oxygen bond, which I am going to tell you.
Take two pieces of stainless steel, you can cut them from an old knife or anything really, you just need about 2 square inch of thin stainless steel so you have two separate plates of one square inch each.
Take the two plates and make a sandwich of them, so they are 3mm apart, place two thin plastics strips that are 3mm square between them to hold them apart so you have a stainless steel sandwich held apart by the plastic strips. Place the strips at either end of the stainless steel so there is a void in the middle. You can use silicone sealant to glue the whole thing in place but only use small amounts of silicone. This is an anode and cathode of a device we will use to create and collect Ozone in water. Once the silicone has dried, get a glass beaker of approx 500ml in volume. With a blob of silicone in the middle of one of the plates, glue it to the inside of the beaker so that the plastic spacers are pointing towards the bottom of the beaker and so the whole thing is three quarters inside the beaker and a quarter of it would be in air should the beaker be full of water.
Fill the beaker with double distilled water or water from a very clean stream or river, do not use tap water. Take the 9v battery and the wires, which need to be about 8 inches long each. Place crocodile clips on either end of each wire so that you can connect the battery to the wires and the wires to each of the plates. They need to be small clips for to connect onto the plates so that you don’t touch both plates with one clip and short circuit the plates. This whole apparatus will take you about an hour at most to construct. Fill the beaker with the specified water making sure that a quarter of your plates are out of the water. Connect the positive lead to the plate that faces the middle of the beaker and the negative to the plate that is nearest the glass. Don’t let the crocodile clips touch the water; only let them touch each respective plate only.
This is the hardest part of the work done.

Does anyone dare to draw this "apparatus" with paint or photoshop?

I don't understand the details of the device itself.

What happens is @ 1.23v Oxygen and Hydrogen separate into their respective elements and will leave the water as bubbles. @ 1.51v the same process takes place but this time O3 Oxygen molecules form on and around the Anode of the device. Let this happen for a while and keep producing O3 bonds for 5 minutes but if the water temp increases to 37C then stop. Take the water out but do not dismantle your device because you are going to need it in the next few days.

I don't understand this part either... What does he mean with "@1.23v" and "@1,51v"????

I have a POOR understanding of electricity... can someone explain it in a "retarded way". He said he was using 9 volt batteries... isn't the energy ALWAYS 9 volts? (a constant flow of energy) Or 1,23v means something else?

Can you explain this part to me?
 

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He shared his discoveries... no need to attack his views!
There are kinder ways to agree or disagree. This isn't a competition.

YOu know, he posted something interesting, which may have mistakes or not... but at least it is something to think about.

As a song goes: "It's so easy to laugh, It's so easy to hate, It takes strength to be gentle and kind".

I do not understand some things of what he explained, maybe it's the language barriers:



Does anyone dare to draw this "apparatus" with paint or photoshop?

I don't understand the details of the device itself.



I don't understand this part either... What does he mean with "@1.23v" and "@1,51v"????

I have a POOR understanding of electricity... can someone explain it in a "retarded way". He said he was using 9 volt batteries... isn't the energy ALWAYS 9 volts? (a constant flow of energy) Or 1,23v means something else?

Can you explain this part to me?

1.51v is the voltage at which Ozone starts to be produced. At 9v much more is produced but also more Hydrogen and Oxygen.
There has been much spoken since my last visit. All I am going to say is this: It is difficult in life to be able to seperate truth from untruth, to be able to seperate the clean from the filthy and the wrong from the right.
What is the cost of this knowledge that I gave to you? What will be the cost to yourself if you were to try what I told you?
The answer is nothing.
What have I demanded from anyone regarding this? At what cost is there to anyone who read these posts?
The answer is nothing.
So, there is nothing to lose by any venture other than a small amount of your time. I have given you a path to the Prima Materia, those who don't believe it without giving it a go, that is your own choice. Those who give it a shot, you will see the magic of nature. Some of the Sages have commented in the past: Beware the arrogance of men that reject the simple, for it is they who cast darkness into the light of the beholder.
Always remember that.
 
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I would like to share my opinions also on the begining post of this thread. I will move along the lines of "everyone is innocent until proven guilty" and "keep a small basket". Supposing this is not some kind of a fake report, I find it hard to swallow that simply digesting "electrified" distilled water can produce the effects described. However, if I was to simply reject it without giving the idea any hope, I would not be in this forum.
So, lets get to the details.

First, I like that nav2010 shares openly something that has value to him. Even if it is not the "prima materia" or turns out to be a false discovery, it doesn't matter because very few people would act in that way. Usually we keep secret whatever we think is of value (fake or not) and this is what dampens our progress. I think that stumbling upon discoveries of that kind requires the intervention of "divine providence" or "luck", and it seems that sharing, causes it to accumulate for your benefit.

Now the criticism, nav2010:
Since you use scientific words like "electrolysis" and "ozone" I cannot help it but point out that electrolysis (at 9V) cannot happen in distilled water, let alone to say that ozone is produced. I doubt that you see any bubble. A 5 min electrolysis in distilled water would only produce microliters of gas. I doubt that the smell you describe later in the digestion step is because of ozone; the amount produced is zero. If you want my opinion, try to explain the phenomenon using the concept of "electrical fluid" that comes out of the battery and charges the water. The term is semi-scientific and in that way people who know about science will not criticise and you can achieve whatever goal you have easier.

Except if you do something different or add some secret ingredient you don't tell (H2SO4 for example), I don't believe that ozone can be produced neither electrolysis happens. I continue by assuming that some kind of "electric fluid" has somehow changed the water. Of course I'm open to any criticism against my explanations you may have too since I do not have hands on experience on this matter.

Now, digesting the "electrified water" creates a white oil that concentrates the volume of the water eats metals etc. Hm, I cant say anything on this, I have to see it. To the people who are going to try it, maybe you could also digest water electrified from an ioniser or other high voltage source. But I doubt you will achieve anything. Those kind of "simple" discoveries usually work only for their first inventor and no matter how much in detail they are described, they cannot be replicated by random others. There is usually an unidentified "ingredient" or process left out from the original "how to" (usually unintentionally) that may wait for you to discover "by accident" later. Or not ...
 
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At what cost is there to anyone who read these posts?

Well time is money. ;)

It is difficult in life to be able to seperate truth from untruth, to be able to seperate the clean from the filthy and the wrong from the right.

This applies to both sides (the giver and the receiver of said truth). Only direct experience is truth, IMO, of which in this thread only you have (on this Ozone experiment)... but I don't think that what you describe is that "simple"... sounds very complicated and the path to the Stone (for me) is far simpler than that. But if it works for you then great.

Alchemy is a personal journey that is why it is funny when "alchemists" always try to give others the path... it will never work like that. I am not critical of this thread specifically (speaking more in general, this forum has had its fair share of threads like this; "this is the secret" etc.)... I just feel, still, that the secret impresses no one. The trick you use it for is everything. :)

Ozone Therapy

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So many experts and so many speak of the art as if they were the Sages themselves yet none have past even the first step of the art, you dream and talk as if you are Hermes yourselves! Bahahahaha. Sorry but it just makes me giggle.
The first time in your lives that you are presented with the Prima Materia on a plate and you scorn and reject it, not even having the decency to even perform what I have said before you condemn it. It makes me wonder what you would do if an ancient Sage presented you with his stone, Perhaps use it as a door wedge? Hehe
It matters not what any of you say and think anymore, there are people that will learn to prepare the Prima Materia from these threads and they will succeed in this art.
Good luck all and take care and to all those self proclaimed Hermes wannabees, chill man, you'll get the picture eventually.
 

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Nav:

Can you take pictures/photos of the device you are using????

Or maybe draw it using a software... I do not understand some technical details of its construction.

Other than that, I do not know if you have something of worth or not, but I thank you for openly sharing.... whilst I also disagree with the lack of respect that some people comment your ideas, which were important for you to share (without caring if they are "the truth" or just "a mistake"). We must respect each other ALWAYS.
 

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So many experts and so many speak of the art as if they were the Sages themselves

I never claimed to have any wisdom whatsoever... you on the other hand behave as if you are sage and mage. Which is fine... but also the main reason I ain't buying.

I am only saying that there are multiple cures for cancer, and great that you found one of them.

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Like all the other Sages that walked before me... What is the cost of this knowledge that I gave to you? The first time in your lives that you are presented with the Prima Materia on a plate...

A little humility goes a long way...

Never look down on anybody unless you're helping them up. - Jesse Jackson

Good luck all and take care and to all those self proclaimed Hermes wannabes...

...whilst I also disagree with the lack of respect that some people comment your ideas, which were important for you to share (without caring if they are "the truth" or just "a mistake"). We must respect each other ALWAYS.

This is a forum and anything posted here will naturally be discussed. That is what it is all about. You get as much respect as you give. But I do agree JDP had a very "strong" objection. :)

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Nav:

Can you take pictures/photos of the device you are using????

Or maybe draw it using a software... I do not understand some technical details of its construction.

Other than that, I do not know if you have something of worth or not, but I thank you for openly sharing.... whilst I also disagree with the lack of respect that some people comment your ideas, which were important for you to share (without caring if they are "the truth" or just "a mistake"). We must respect each other ALWAYS.

This is my Ozone producer which I built a while back, these are larger plates than I explained that allow me to produce Ozone very quickly and the battery pack is high current, because the spacing between the plates is only 1mm it allows me to use distilled water and I still get current transfer and Ozone, I noticed one of the forum members said this was impossible. That is an error on their part. The plates are seperated by plastic nuts and bolts with washers inbetween.
The other picture are the melonoma or rather where they used to be on my arm.
I also read one of the members refering to the white oil as Oxygen, it is no longer Oxygen in my opinion, 50ml of it weighs about half a Kilogramme, it ain't no Oxygen I can assure you. During the evaporation and distilling it smells like Chlorine for a while then it loses its odour until you let it eat metals then the odours return. When it attacks silver and dissolves it, you can smell a bad eggs until it eats the vapours from the reaction then there is no smell again. When you give it silver filings, if you drop them on the top of it little by little they just dissolve into it and its swells up and becomes buttery. The swelling that takes place is larger than the silver that you put in though.
I'm no scientist, but what i've seen isn't normal and I know it isn't regardless of the ridicule i've had on here and all I ask is for people to do what I have done then make a decision regarding this. There is no point bickering and pointing fingers at me until you have a look at the material for yourselves. So what i'm going to do is make a video of the Materia, show you the weight on my electronic scales and show it eating the silver. I cannot be fairer than that. I'll also make a video of the Ozone white water being produced when its at its most volatile.
 

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So many experts and so many speak of the art as if they were the Sages themselves yet none have past even the first step of the art, you dream and talk as if you are Hermes yourselves! Bahahahaha. Sorry but it just makes me giggle.
The first time in your lives that you are presented with the Prima Materia on a plate and you scorn and reject it, not even having the decency to even perform what I have said before you condemn it. It makes me wonder what you would do if an ancient Sage presented you with his stone, Perhaps use it as a door wedge? Hehe
It matters not what any of you say and think anymore, there are people that will learn to prepare the Prima Materia from these threads and they will succeed in this art.
Good luck all and take care and to all those self proclaimed Hermes wannabees, chill man, you'll get the picture eventually.

You don't need to wonder about what anyone would do if the "ancient Sages presented you" with the Stone, you can actually see it for yourself by actually giving samples of your alleged "Stone" so that others can put it to the test to see if you really have achieved what you claim, instead of making people waste money and time on things that look very suspiciously implausible. There is nothing remotely "weird', or "unusual", or "unknown" about ozone or ozonised water, so it is not like you are making any supposedly big "revelations" here.
 

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This is a forum and anything posted here will naturally be discussed. That is what it is all about. You get as much respect as you give. But I do agree JDP had a very "strong" objection. :)

A lot of what I learnt was in the context of a (non-masonic) lodge.

I will reveal some off topic "secrets" which are not "secrets" anyway... all of them are about the way in which the WORD can be understood.

In some lodges the WORD is called "the dove"...

So the point of a meeting is to FEED THE DOVE.

To do such thing is very easy and very hard, since some rules should be followed.

-The "dove" flies from person to person and each one has the OBLIGATION of feeding the dove.

-Expressions such as "you are wrong", "you are not right" are 100% forbidden. This is known as "stealing the food of the dove".

-If you don't agree with what other person said, which is something that can happen a lot of time, you use the chance to LEARN how this other person thinks... and you may use the word (dove) yourself later and offer a different point of view, as to "feed the dove" with new food for thought.

-To directly criticize what another person said is 100% forbidden. So you have to learn how to express you opinion without destroying the opinion of the other, since he common goal of everyone is to "feed the dove".

-Nobody ever has the need to defend his position or point of view, since the "dove" is not owned by anyone and it's for everyone.

This whole thing is incredibly off topic... but thinking about this ideas may make the whole conversation more interesting for everyone. Too much time is wasted on "you are wrong", "I am right", etc... the whole conversation can be more interesting if we all avoid these things. Even if we disagree.

I like Nav and I like JDP and everyone here... let's be kind with each other and accept that we can all get along with our different experiences and views.

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Going back to the topic, I do not get at all how the device works... I will try to draw it myself and see if someone can tell me which one is the right design to repeat what Nav is doing.

THank you for the photos, Nav, they helped me a bit, but I am still lost with some technical parts of your "device". I will try to draw it and you'll tell me if I am doing it right.

Is this your device:

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Am I missing any part or misunderstanding something?

Are you using "something else" to control the Voltage or it is always 9 volts????
 
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That is not the way you connect batteries together and you do not need to connect batteries together anyway. 9v is a good voltage to create Ozone, so is a 12v alarm battery, a motorcycle battery etc etc. Ozone is released in water once you reach 1.51 volts, anything above that is good. The battery you saw in the picture is a rechargable cold cathode battery of 7.2v.
In releases 7.2v at an higher current than a 9v square battery but that is because I prefer to create Ozone much quicker when I'm using water out of a stream. The reason being stream water loses its O3 very quickly compared to double distilled, double distilled however is slow to release O3 but keeps it for longer, up to 3 hours.
My experience was to have DD water, stream and spring water at hand, spring water is cheap from any shop and stream water from any clean stream is free. When you produce Ozone in a container always allow the hydrogen gas to escape upwards, don't allow it to build up in the top of the container. It is a risk to do so. If you look at my container, the lid is designed to hold the plates in place not to seal the container. Because I was producing Ozone for months this design suited me the best.
If I were you I would study for a while on the web how to produce Ozone using electrolysis, you will benefit greatly by doing so.

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You don't need to wonder about what anyone would do if the "ancient Sages presented you" with the Stone, you can actually see it for yourself by actually giving samples of your alleged "Stone" so that others can put it to the test to see if you really have achieved what you claim, instead of making people waste money and time on things that look very suspiciously implausible. There is nothing remotely "weird', or "unusual", or "unknown" about ozone or ozonised water, so it is not like you are making any supposedly big "revelations" here.

I have agreed to make a video showing the process, the heavy white oil, the weight of it and the process in which it eats metals and still you are calling me a liar and are demanding I mail you the white oil.
You, my dear fellow are a very dodgy person and not the type of person that should be trusted on these forums or indeed on these forums. How many other people have you done this to in the past, who gave you the right to call me a liar, what gives you the right to demand my oils?
The oils you are demanding, let me speak a little about them. If I mailed them in a test tube and for some reason that test tube broke, the oil would eat through the packaging, through the van or whatever was carrying them or indeed through a person who just happened to get in the way, i've told you this and you still insist they be mailed, you are irresponsible and not thinking about what you are saying.
If I did let someone have a sample, it would be by face to face and it wouldn't be you. I would also make it clear to this person that the tests carried out and the results obtained would not be made known to you.
The people on this forum, when you obtain the white oil which I promise you will, do not make the results known to JDP, keep it among yourselves and keep this evil man out of the loop because it is what he deserves.
JDP, in English terms of the worst kind, you are a prick. Bahahaha
 

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keep this evil man out of the loop because it is what he deserves.
JDP, in English terms of the worst kind, you are a prick. Bahahaha

Personal insults/attacks are NOT allowed on this forum. See the Rules & Guidelines.

It's a shame to get banned for personal issues, really. Especially when discussed topics are evolving so interestingly.

If you really need to, 'attack' the ideas/concepts, not the person. Never attack the person.

Personal attacks are often also a logical fallacy known as 'Ad Hominem'.

Nav, please don't do that.

First/last/only warning.