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. Oxidation-Reduction Potential as Indicator of Vivification

Dendritic Xylem

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A member recently brought up interesting info about ORP readings in natural water sources. I happen to have an ORP meter from old gold leaching experiments. I also happen to live in the south-central Appalachian mountains with LOTS of water oozing out of the ground. So I've decided to test some different water sources. But first, here's some info from a non-esoteric site...


A person’s saliva and many other body fluids have a negative ORP value as do many fresh fruit juices. In fact, its ORP value rises the longer it is in a juice state. It’s been suggested that you can test the freshness of fruit juice by its ORP level. When you bring in other drinks like soft drinks they have even higher positive ORP levels. Scientists suggest that drinking water should have a negative ORP value and balanced pH because it’s better for the body and its fluids.
When your water has a negative ORP value, it has anti-oxidant properties. This is associated with anti-aging and cellular health. Positive ORP values are oxidative and have the opposite effect. As we said before, most water you drink, both in the tap and filtered, have oxidative properties. If you’re able to get negative ORP value drinking water, then it can donate electrons to neutralize free radicals. Water with positive ORP values cannot. Free radicals are unstable ions in the body. They’re generated by the body and can cause problems with lipids, proteins, and DNA.
There needs to be a balance of free radicals in the body. Without it, the body can be overrun and become ill. In addition to the natural body’s defenses, you can decrease free radicals by drinking anti-oxidant water with negative ORP values.
The body is made up of oxidative and antioxidative substances. We mentioned earlier how important negative ORP values were in a healthy body. When you drink anti-oxidant water, it can neutralize excess acids in the body. It helps regulate the body and keeps it healthy.


https://www.southforkinst.com/importance-of-ph-orp/
 

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The first test is on my home tap water. I live in a 100 year old house with a well. I have no idea how deep the well is. I also have a TDS meter which measures the total dissolved solids in water in ppm. The ground water around here is typically low ppm because we have acidic red clay that reduces the amount of alkaline minerals you might find dissolved in water from karst areas. But we do have lots of iron which is the main contaminant in my well water.

I just checked the ORP and it is +277mv....:(


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Checked some more sources...

Tiny spring/waterfall emerging from cliffside.....+289mv
Small tributary....+281mv
River just below the dam...+285mv
Store bought spring water....+382mv
Urine.....+72mv
Saliva....-98mv

So where do we find natural water sources with negative potential? My area doesn't seem very good.
Maybe season has an effect? My meter may need calibrated also. It's been collecting dust for several years.
 
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Great topic! I was actually going to start one based on this once my ORP meter arrives and I had time to do some tests. You mention the river just below the dam, but what of the dam itself?

Thinking about what we are ultimately trying to achieve here via our one operation "solve et coagula" is coagulating/fixing the spirit and the spirit becomes manifest and stronger in our water via putrefaction. So I wonder what of putrefied waters such as swamps or dams.
 

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You mention the river just below the dam, but what of the dam itself?

It's a small dam. Maybe 20-25 ft tall. The river is small too, and there isn't a large stagnant body of water above the dam. The 10 ft wide river just runs into an old decommissioned dam on it's way down the mountain. So the water is relativively fast moving above and below. I took the sample about 20 ft from the base. I was thinking about testing above the dam too but the trail was super muddy and all the natural water sources I already tested gave very similar readings even though they are a few miles apart.

We have acidic soil here and acidity seems to raise ORP, so I think the geology around here might be bad for this. There's a ton of karst deposits about 2-3 hours away just over the Tennessee border. There's also a very small karst area at Linville Caverns not far away. I need to go check those. There's also a huge gorge I hike which requires ropes to get down into. It has a good sized river at the base and some small stagnant pools. I'll check it next time I go. Need to also check rainwater, dew, and store bought distilled water. Might be better during spring instead of the middle of winter. I don't know.

I was trying to think of a fruit that would yield lots of juice. WATERMELON! Need to try that also.
 

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Thanks for sharing this Dendritic Xylem, it'll be good info for any others who are also interested in investigating this avenue.

Also, thanks to you, I just learnt a useful new word "vivication".

There is another test you can do if you're not confidant about the ORP readings.
You can construct a simple pyramid using non-magnetic materials (PVC pipe or wood), store the water in the pyramid for a couple of days, and then put in your freezer and try to freeze it.
Vivified water won't turn to ice when it's holding a torsion charge.
Then you can physically strike the bottle to remove the torsion charge and the water will instantly freeze.

There's a video showing the effect here:



Also just letting you know, that if you have vivified water under the ground already, it will bubble to the surface underneath a pyramid. Video here demonstrating the effect:



And if that seems a bit much, you can also try putting your water into a Joe cell with the correct plates and correct insulators (if I recall correctly you used to own a moe-joe). Vivified water will first eject a lot of crud, but after filtered and cleaned several times it turns a light tinge of green and will create a lot of soapy looking bubbles after being electrolysed with DC.

Otherwise....keep searching, I'm pretty confident you're going to find your quarry soon enough.
 

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Cool tricks there gh!

Another possible determinator I just thought of is that negative ORP water should stop fruit oxidizing so strongly/quickly. One could see this as attesting to the life preserving qualities of this water too! So perhaps soaking some apple slices in water alongside a known water and seeing how quickly they bruise in relation to each other. I'm just thinking of ways to determine this without electrical equipment because I'm fizzing at the bung so to speak for my probe to arrive and the post isnt exactly reliable these days, although I feel like to properly work out if this method would work I'd need to cross reference it with a probe.
 

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Thanks for sharing this Dendritic Xylem
Thank you for sharing the info a couple weeks ago :)


Vivified water won't turn to ice when it's holding a torsion charge.
Then you can physically strike the bottle to remove the torsion charge and the water will instantly freeze.

Also just letting you know, that if you have vivified water under the ground already, it will bubble to the surface underneath a pyramid.
It must be easy to accidentally have a torsion field in the water because there are tons of videos of scientists doing this experiment without pyramids or electricity or natural water. They say it has to do with supercooling water which has few contaminants and a container with smooth flawless inner walls. Something about lack of nucleation points and tapping it starts the nucleation process and crystallization. I once had a pyramid outside for months but never had a spring pop up. It was made with 5ft sections of 1/2in copper pipe. But according to my ORP meter my groundwater is not very vivified. Plants grow well here though.



And if that seems a bit much, you can also try putting your water into a Joe cell with the correct plates and correct insulators (if I recall correctly you used to own a moe-joe). Vivified water will first eject a lot of crud, but after filtered and cleaned several times it turns a light tinge of green and will create a lot of soapy looking bubbles after being electrolysed with DC.
Still have the cell. Never got any results with it...but I was only testing it on my jeep intake. Electricity seems to be able to speed things up...but I'm trying to take things back to the basics and work more in line with the traditional methods to eliminate modern variables. Hoping the ORP meter can help find good starting materials. I like the idea of feeding natural spiritual water to the salt slowly over a flame to evaporate the moisture and trap the good stuff. Basically watering the Earth as celestial farming.
 

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Water treated with Brown's Gas reportedly has an ORP in the ranges of -250 to -450.

eagle-research.com said:
I use ORP meters to detect maximum hydrogen absorption.

pH means ‘potential of hydrogen’ and each of the 14 ‘steps’ is logarithmic, meaning 10 times more hydrogen than the last.
Hydrogen is ‘pH neutral’, it doesn’t raise or lower pH. Learn more HERE

Note that high pH water for health is a MYTH, based on 40 years of incorrect assumptions and miss-information. SCIENCE has finally put that myth to rest. It was the HYDROGEN in the ‘high pH’ water that was giving the health gains, NOT the pH.

Typically the pH of BG bubbled water rises just a little. Note that you need a meter to read this pH change, pH testing papers are not up to the task.

Note that hydrogen alone will not raise pH, because hydrogen is pH neutral… To raise or lower pH, you add or subtract electrons. The Brown’s Gas bubbled water will slightly raise the pH by adding electrons to the water with the ExW portion of the Brown’s Gas.
An ORP meter will read a minimum of -250 and as low as -450 (negative is better because shows added electrons).
 

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As a byproduct of Nav’s outlined O3 infused water generator, Hydrogen gas is produced. Instead of leaving the reaction vessel open (for safety), one could simply divert (bubble) the gas into another vessel full of one’s choice of water.
 

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You have given me a new idea for a handheld SM detector. thank you. will be posting schematics soon.