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Spending the money generated from the stone on anything but basic human needs would, I feel, quickly result in catastrophic events, of which a recovery from would be unlikely.

I'd say this is the very reason I have seen so many pitfalls in my days. It's preparation for when I have access to power that needs the wisdom of experience to safeguard
Hi Mr. Mixer

From what you have written, it sounds like you firmly believe that you can handle the great knowledge and also the great responsibility of the wealth you may acquire from the Divine Art of Alchemy.

In my younger days, I was also interested in accruing a few dollars.

Here is a true story about some fun times my Alchemy teacher and I had some years before he introduced me to Alchemy.

I was living on the Gold Coast and would frequent the casino there for the occasional game of blackjack. I asked my teacher if he could tell me what cards the dealer would pull out next ... he replied that he could easily do that ... But would not do it.

A few years later I was living on unemployment benefits and He asked if I would like to go to the casino that night ... sure would I said, with a big smile on my face.

I walked into the casino heading straight for the blackjack tables when He said "stop here", I was next to a Roulette table with no idea of how to play.

He told me to get $50 worth of chips and then He took over.

It was like being inside a robot , just watching everything happen, my hands were pushing chips to places on the table that I had no understanding of.

After about half an hour I had a huge amount of chips (a big lot of dollars worth).

He told me that we will stop now and to take out the $50 dollars worth of chips that I started with and give away the rest NOW .... which I did.

That was a very, very long time ago and I have not been back to a casino since.
 

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I believe that the qualities required to potentially gain entrance are such as these:
*A forgiving heart
*Humility
*Quick to listen and slow to anger
*One who wishes to see the best possible outcome for all but also is aware of law of consequences.(able to discriminate fairly.)
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One who is developing good mental and moral faculties.
*Clairvoyance and observational skills would also be helpful.
*Patience

I know there is more to potentially list.
Hi Jimmy, what you have posted here sit really well with me.

I will ask my Alchemy Teacher about what He considers to be essentials traits for entrance into
this Art.
 

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Hi Mr. Mixer

From what you have written, it sounds like you firmly believe that you can handle the great knowledge and also the great responsibility of the wealth you may acquire from the Divine Art of Alchemy.

In my younger days, I was also interested in accruing a few dollars.

Here is a true story about some fun times my Alchemy teacher and I had some years before he introduced me to Alchemy.

I was living on the Gold Coast and would frequent the casino there for the occasional game of blackjack. I asked my teacher if he could tell me what cards the dealer would pull out next ... he replied that he could easily do that ... But would not do it.

A few years later I was living on unemployment benefits and He asked if I would like to go to the casino that night ... sure would I said, with a big smile on my face.

I walked into the casino heading straight for the blackjack tables when He said "stop here", I was next to a Roulette table with no idea of how to play.

He told me to get $50 worth of chips and then He took over.

It was like being inside a robot , just watching everything happen, my hands were pushing chips to places on the table that I had no understanding of.

After about half an hour I had a huge amount of chips (a big lot of dollars worth).

He told me that we will stop now and to take out the $50 dollars worth of chips that I started with and give away the rest NOW .... which I did.

That was a very, very long time ago and I have not been back to a casino since.
God and I also have father - son days out that is just an adventure of spiritual connection. My gosh I would love to tell you some of my gambling-with-god stories.

My relationship there has grown deeper as I'm into investments now. And I've stopped pretending to deny that I can't help notice almost direct correlation with the balance of my portfolio with how I am personally doing on a spiritual level.

I don't work anymore. I don't have any aspirations to work anymore. My full-time job is a Hermetically sealed discord with myself. I'm not very good at my job though. I'm injured. On a deep soul level. A certain fire that supported me all my life seems to be only embers now. It's concerning and wavering the foundations of my spirit. but this is part of my trial. It's a part of the story that must be written.

Would be a cooler story if we hit the casino black ♠️
 

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You are a Divine Being Mr. Mixer with potential and power beyond your wildest dreams as we all are.

You are a good man Mr. Mixer, but what if there is more to the Big Picture ?

This world of duality that we live in can appear to be very harsh and unfair, (the starving children, poverty and disease, etc, etc) but it is a perfect environment for Soul Evolution.

We have both sides of the coin here with everything in between and in respect of Soul Growth it's design is excellent.

Can you appreciate how very important all the hard times and all the good times are so crucial to our growth .... Do you think it would be a correct thing to do if we were to deprive a Soul from this growth ?

The lives we experience are dictated by Divine Providance.

What is the meaning of divine providence?
Traditional theism holds that God is the creator of heaven and earth, and that all that occurs in the universe takes place under Divine Providence — that is, under God's sovereign guidance and control. According to believers, God governs creation as a loving father, "working all things for good".

...... "working all things for good", of our Soul Evolution in the big picture of Eternity.

What if you were granted the Stone but then told to put it on the shelf never to be used ?

The Stone serves the "Source" and we serve the "Source", the sooner we can come to grips with that the better .... It is not our will but His will .... unfortunately it's our ego's that get in the way and slow our Evolution.

We see ourselves as separate from each other and separate from the "Source", but as we Evolve then the ego falls away and our oneness becomes more apparent.

IMHO ...... :)
"Mathew 5 38-48
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.


43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 [o]But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your [p]brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect."

The book of Job does a great job showing that we are to be astute in the face of challenges; since they are all according to God's will after all. Realizing the role of troubles in our lives.. to test and work us up to greater spiritual heights.. such a great gift that changes everything. IMO

And this:
Mathew 6 9-19
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Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen."

The ups and downs are all serving a higher purpose of teaching us lessons. As we all know, a seed will never mature into an adult plant, capable of producing fruit unless it is subjected to the dualities of water and fire. Rain & Sun.

Not trying to minimize anyone's struggles; but hey what an opportunity to OVERCOME!

"“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.” ’"

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it.” ’

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“Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden. But hold fast what you have till I come. And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—
He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—
as I also have received from My Father; and I will give him the morning star.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’"
"He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

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Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’"

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As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’ ”"


It seems like each of the 7 churches has their own particular struggles however they all have their own particular rewards for overcoming. They all imply the merging of individual consciousness with that of God or the absolute.

I know this is a reply to an old post; just putting it out there for everyone's consideration is regards to alchemy being a divine science.
These are all verses from Revelation Ch 2-4 the last part(s) of the 7 paragraphs pertaining to the 7 churches which deal with "overcoming" the world and its challenges. IMO

Not looking to debate theology, gods existence etc or that alchemy is a divine art. I do not need to prove these things to anyone and this is my opinion after all. I hope it was helpful to someone out there.
 

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And this:
Mathew 6 9-19
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Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.

Ironically most so-called self-professed Christians are clueless about what that line in the Lord's Prayer really means. The ramifications are deep. It means you MUST accept what your God does and that all that happens is done deliberately by his will.

Hence it is utterly pointless for example praying for your wife/husband/child or other loved one to be cured from their terminal cancer.
In fact doing so is blasphemous because it's an appeal that is against God's will. Most assuredly if you allow yourself to believe the Christian religion then you must shoulder the truth that nothing happens which is not God's will. He either makes it happen directly or permits it to happen via natural causes. Either way it is God's will and intention that it happened, God is culpable.

Hence Christians should be praying for just one thing only, which is to understand God's will and know how they fit into it.

Of course the ramifications of this ideology are worrying when you look at it objectively. Why would any loving entity actually will for your loved ones to suffer and have terminal illnesses? Why would any loving entity will that an innocent child is sexually abused and/or raped by the likes of Savile?

The ideology does not remotely stack up and we (imo) delude ourselves most grievously if we allow ourselves to believe in an all-loving entity that wills/allows such wicked things to occur.
 

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Ironically most so-called self-professed Christians are clueless about what that line in the Lord's Prayer really means. The ramifications are deep. It means you MUST accept what your God does and that all that happens is done deliberately by his will.

Hence it is utterly pointless for example praying for your wife/husband/child or other loved one to be cured from their terminal cancer.
In fact doing so is blasphemous because it's an appeal that is against God's will. Most assuredly if you allow yourself to believe the Christian religion then you must shoulder the truth that nothing happens which is not God's will. He either makes it happen directly or permits it to happen via natural causes. Either way it is God's will and intention that it happened, God is culpable.

Hence Christians should be praying for just one thing only, which is to understand God's will and know how they fit into it.

Of course the ramifications of this ideology are worrying when you look at it objectively. Why would any loving entity actually will for your loved ones to suffer and have terminal illnesses? Why would any loving entity will that an innocent child is sexually abused and/or raped by the likes of Savile?

The ideology does not remotely stack up and we (imo) delude ourselves most grievously if we allow ourselves to believe in an all-loving entity that wills/allows such wicked things to occur.
I will say that humans have free will and that we can choose to put it into alignment with God's, which will end us up in a different state than the one who goes against his will/commandments. Your example of Saville is one who blatantly violates God's will for his own means. In fact just about all of the old testament brutality of Gods judgement is directed at those who violate his ideals for our conduct here. You reap what you sow. Now In the case of one unfairly on the end of the sinners stick this is of course unfortunate however we should not assume that the equations is not balanced especially outside of physical temporal life. For he will wipe all of our tears away, those who are making themselves to be one with God and his will at least. For the rest, weeping and gnashing of teeth. The judgement. Also this:
Mathew 18-6

Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
I would say that any that Harms one of these little ones would apply also. Its unfortunate yes, but the man of Sin must take responsibility for his ungodliness. God does not desire that any should be lost to sin.

Luke 15:4-7 NKJV​

“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

See, with humans Having free will we have the potential to do awful deeds in the sight of our Father. Well then we could say "why does god let this happen?" I will answer from my own perspective as a father. If I never gave children the ability to grow up to adulthood and have their own freedom in the world they would forever remain children. They may go out and commit terrible crimes which would distress me greatly BUT to lock them in a cage before it ever happened to prevent it would never teach them the painful lessons that come from hurting others and ultimately our selves. They would still be my children and if they could change their ways and find a way to make it right or repent , choosing by their own will to follow the moral directives their loving father laid out for them It would indeed be a happy occasion despite the dark chapters in their existence. If we couple reincarnation with these concepts we can understand that all negative experiences serve to cause pain and friction which can change the course of our pilgrimage for the better from life to life. Also for the one being abused, it is a major opportunity to overcome and exercise forgiveness scoring big points on the "how conscious are you of the bigger picture" scale of things.

I also totally abhor the example you gave, but our reality is just that and I choose to paint god in a positive light rather than a negative one. His ways are well above ours and we will fully understand when we each make the inner match the outer or merge heaven and earth.

Also, Jesus prayed to his father to have his laying on hands work ,asking the father to heal the sick through his hands.. so your logic here about this being blasphemy doesn't really add up IMO.

And that's the extent of the theological debating I am willing to do! Your sentiments are ones that many including myself have grappled with at one point or another. We ultimately decide how we want to perceive our lives and gods role or lack thereof in our lives. Blessings to you and everyone else! Let's pray for those who need it.
 

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elixirmixir said:

You have a very unique perspective on Alchemy due to this connection that you have Mr. black.

I'm not sure I am personally able to understand it without you being more forthright about what your theory and perspective is concerning the practice.

Hi Mr. Mixer

I'll give an explanation here so there will be no derailing of nav 2010's thread.

My perspective on Alchemy is exactly the same as that written in the Alchemy books by the Alchemists of old.

To a student that hasn't Entered into Alchemy the written works all sound very different as if there are many, many paths to the Great Work.

There is only one (1) Path to enter the Great Work.

If anyone has worked the Primary Alchemic Process then they clearly see that all the Alchemic books tell the same story ..... but are being explained (by the old masters) through multiple forms of allegory to confuse the many that are searching .... and it works very well.

As soon as you hear anyone talk about the many paths to Alchemy it is instantly clear they have no understanding about Alchemy at all ..... It's a dead giveaway and there are multiple more giveaways just like this one.

Also as a reminder for those that are trapped thinking that Chemistry and Archemy are Alchemy ..... they are nothing like Alchemy.
 

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Hey all,

Was rereading the first few pages of this thread and I saw some of the pictures of quintessence/soul that black had posted and I have some results that look similar finally so I thought I would post them here.
Not making any claims; I have seen blackness before but in this case it has the qualities black is describing such as oily feel and the ability to completely dissolve in water (red if more concentrated) the oil itself resembles blood especially when spread thin and stained my skin with a red color like blood. I made some mistakes in this attempt according to what I believe the basic process to be however this is in my opinion the best result I have gotten yet. I know pictures don't prove or tell a whole lot but maybe someone will have something to share about them. Oh yeah, its also safe to ingest when diluted but if you have too much you can feel things "happening" in your body. Hard to explain.
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I will say that humans have free will and that we can choose to put it into alignment with God's, which will end us up in a different state than the one who goes against his will/commandments. Your example of Saville is one who blatantly violates God's will for his own means.

I missed this post earlier in our exchanges, sorry.

I think you're possibly amiss when you say we have free-will and that we can choose. The Bible (if taken incorrectly literally) is pretty clear on this for example:

Proverbs 16:4

"The Lord has made everything for its own purpose,
Even the wicked for the day of evil."


Proverbs 19:21

"Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand."

Isaiah 45:7

"The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the Lord who does all these."



I could cite 100s of verses. The bottom line is simply this. In the Christian doctrine/dogma, the figure of God is deemed the total power, a power that is unchallengable. A ruler whose will prevails regardless of anything anyone else does. To suggest that you can do something that in some way stymies or changes God's will is essentially Christian blasphemy and a gross misunderstanding of the ideology.

So the set up is this. You're stuck in an existence that is planned and controlled by God every single second of every waking day till the end of time. NOTHING, absolutely nothing you or anyone else does can change God's plan or will. Therefore your ONLY ONE CHOICE in this life is to accept that this is the case or to pretend that it isn't. In Christianity God desires that you understand and accept that you are nothing, that he is in control and everything happening is HIS DOING, is HIS PLAN.

This is what part-time Christians don't realise. When they pray the Lord's Prayer as I said earlier it says "Thy WILL be done on Earth as it is in Heaven". You have no choice in this. God's will IS prevailing (according to Christianity) and there is absolutely nothing you can ever do to change this.

But this ideology has massive consequences. It means God did actually PLAN for Savile to horribly sexually abuse loads of innocent children. It means God DID plan for 1000s of innocent children to contract terminal diseases like Leukemia and die in their childhood. It means God planned and WILLS that all those people in Israel and Palestine are dying horribly even the innocent children.

Christians when confronted with this awful reality usually can't deal with it. It challenges their programmed indoctrination too much. So they retreat into themselves and compartmentalise it and don't confront it. It's just too uncomfortable to contemplate.

What kind of entity WILLS for innocent kids to be sexually abused?
What kind of entity WILLS for people to die horribly?
What kind of entity WILLS for people to get horrible diseases?

This is why religion is false imo. The literal interpretation of the Bible and other works of other religions is just plain wrong. Doesn't hang together. People are worshipping a fake deity. One that is guilty of horrific attrocities. We would not worship Hitler, yet we are willing to worship an entity guilty of far worse attrocities. We do so because we've been religiously indoctrinated. Brainwashed using clever but long established psychological techniques.
 

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I have some results that look similar finally so I thought I would post them here.
Thanks for posting your pics, looks interesting.
Do you mind sharing a bit more for?
Such as how you made it...
its also safe to ingest when diluted but if you have too much you can feel things "happening" in your body
What are the things you can notice when you ingest it?

Hope you don’t mind me asking.
Usually I wouldn’t even bother when someone posts pics of a coloured potion (seen quite a few on the forums before).
But you’ve given just enough information to make it look like you might actually have something there.
 

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Hey GhettoAlchemist,

I was hesitant to speak too much on it but the process is really no mystery for this particular concoction. I am not even sure if it was completed properly. I did make some mistakes.
I cannot claim that it is my proccess; I was closely following Frater Albertus's instructions given for the minor circulatum in "The Alchemists Handbook" ~ https://archive.org/details/frater-albertus-alchemists-handbook pg 32-36. The work was on Goldenrod.
I did make some mistakes as previously mentioned mostly in regards to "a suitable amount of menstrum should be rectified." You need considerably more than you would think to do the extraction of the essence and it has to be very pure. Still I had a result with very little water present but I could have done better in hindsight.

Two other things from this book that I feel are helpful;
This image:
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Also this from page 22 which I think is important to note.
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As can be seen from the two examples cited there is little difference
except Dr. Zimpel leaches his salt right way with its first distillate.
Such minor differences here and there will be found all over in
alchemical literature. It is up to the practitioner to find his own way
which only experience will teach."

I never used any heat hotter than a water bath during extraction or distillation.

Such a small book with so much useful knowledge IMO its only 64 pages.

In regards to the effects; it felt like something akin to a warm fluid or gentle heat was making its way around my body and stopping here and there presumably doing some sort of work. I do feel very well today I will add and had a really positive turn of events today.. is it because of the elixir? Not sure. I was able to feel this warm sensation around my tongue for some time afterwards while also feeling what I knew to be the same warm sensation but in various locales of my body seemingly like the "energy" or "light" was picking and choosing where to place itself. At least this is how I choose to experience it, like the medicine was conscious.


Goodluck and Cheers.
 

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I cannot claim that it is my proccess; I was closely following Frater Albertus's instructions given for the minor circulatum in "The Alchemists Handbook" ~ https://archive.org/details/frater-albertus-alchemists-handbook pg 32-36. The work was on Goldenrod.
I took a look, and those pages just describing extracting a plant tincture using a soxhlet with ethanol as the solvent.
It's a pretty stock standard thing to do, nothing particularly special. Even Albertus couldn't claim that process as his own.

So what was/were the plant/s that you extracted from?

As for the warm feelings....totally within my expectation now.
You would have caught a nice buzz from the ethanol plus the medicinal effect of whichever plant/s you used.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to share, and thanks for the further clarification.
 

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Goldenrod and this one here has no spirit in it, just the extract without the menstrum or alchohol.
I deviated from the process a little and spirited off the pure solvent for other uses.
It smells fragrant like a flower. The extract is called essence.
 

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@Jimmy Rig Thanks for sharing <3

@Pilgrim <3

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2 Corinthians 3:17

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Deuteronomy 30:19-20
I call Heaven and Earth to witness against you today: I place before you Life and Death, Blessing and Curse. Choose life so that you and your children will live. And love God, your God, listening obediently to Him, firmly embracing Him. Oh yes, He is life itself, a long life settled on the soil that God, your God, promised to give your ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Galatians 5:13-16
For you, brethren, were [indeed] called to freedom; only [do not let your] freedom be an incentive to your flesh and an opportunity or excuse [for selfishness], but through love you should serve one another.

For the whole Law [concerning human relationships] is complied with in the one precept, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

But if you bite and devour one another [in partisan strife], be careful that you are not consumed by one another.

But I say, walk and live [habitually] in the [Holy] Spirit [responsive to and controlled and guided by the Spirit]; then you will certainly not gratify the cravings and desires of the flesh.

Ezekiel 18:32

For I desire not the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: cause therefore one another to return, and live ye.
 

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Thanks Seraphim, hope all is well :). Working with herbs has been the most satisfying avenue for me thus far.
Your meme is just perfect haha. All we got up in here is opinions which makes it so much fun ;)
 

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2 Corinthians 3:17

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Deuteronomy 30:19-20
I call Heaven and Earth to witness against you today: I place before you Life and Death, Blessing and Curse. Choose life so that you and your children will live. And love God, your God, listening obediently to Him, firmly embracing Him. Oh yes, He is life itself, a long life settled on the soil that God, your God, promised to give your ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Galatians 5:13-16
For you, brethren, were [indeed] called to freedom; only [do not let your] freedom be an incentive to your flesh and an opportunity or excuse [for selfishness], but through love you should serve one another.

For the whole Law [concerning human relationships] is complied with in the one precept, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

But if you bite and devour one another [in partisan strife], be careful that you are not consumed by one another.

But I say, walk and live [habitually] in the [Holy] Spirit [responsive to and controlled and guided by the Spirit]; then you will certainly not gratify the cravings and desires of the flesh.

Ezekiel 18:32
For I desire not the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: cause therefore one another to return, and live ye.

All the quotes in the world don't get you away from the bottom line principle which is this:

Is your God in total control of everything that happens? Does anything happen which he does not personally choose to allow to happen?

If the answer to the latter question is Yes then he can not be Omnipotent or Omniscient imho.
If the answer is No then he is either directly or indirectly responsible for every wicked atrocity that happens in the world
 

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@Jimmy Rig :) Thanks. Yes, herbs are fun. <3

@Pilgrim <3 ;)

Job 1:21
He said, “Naked I came [into this world] from my mother’s womb, And naked I will return there. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; Blessed be the name of the Lord.”

Isaiah 6:3
And one called out to another, saying, “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord of hosts; The whole earth is filled with His glory.
 
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@Pilgrim

I moved our discussion here as this topic is some what removed from the other thread.

Pilgrim said:
In summary then, you concede that Jesus may have existed and that the miracles recounted of him in the Bible CAN be achieved by an advanced alchemist, i.e. an immediate healing of disease. This then doesn't gel with your previous statement that such notions are "childish imagination and rubbish" .

Yes .... it is possible for sufficiently advanced Alchemists to work wonders.

What I wrote was:

Most if not all students of Alchemy believe that if the Alchemist takes One (1) Drop of the Elixir of Life then he/she will be instantly cured of every disease of the human body.

This type of fantasy is the ongoing childish imagination and rubbish of those that have absolutely no understanding about this Work.


Pilgrim said:
And that's surely a good thing. Healers we need. Alchemists sitting idle and not actually having any tangible medicine (or just keeping it for themselves) doesn't get people healed unfortunately.

But then I have never claimed on this forum, or elsewhere to have acquired anything. The onus is very firmly on those that HAVE made such claims to stand up and be counted and help those in need like alfr. What good are your drops of SM if you can't help or heal a fellow human being?
I asked of you "Do you not personally have any good medicine to give him? Are you essentially informing/confessing to the forum here that you are not skilled or advanced enough in your own "entrance to alchemy" to be of any use to a sick/diseased fellow human being?"
You didn't answer that question, notably, though the answer might be readily gleaned from your response to alfr in which you steered him towards the Pharma drug Fenbendazole. This doesn't help your cause imho. If you don't have anything alchemically worthwhile with which you can heal a fellow human then really your stance on the forum is left rather exposed.

You still seem to think that Alchemists are here to heal the world and all the people in it .... they are not. This is not the purpose of Alchemy.

Did you read somewhere that the Philosophers Stone is to "profit mankind" ?

Why do you think that the Philosophers Stone is to "profit mankind" ?

If you were one of these great Alchemists would you heal all the people of this world ?

Would you grant to all the good people of this world Eternal life ?

Would you grant to all the good people of this world great wealth and prosperity ?

Would you kill off all the people that you decided were evil ?

Would you elevate yourself to a God like status ?


You did not answer these question previously .... I would like to hear your opinion on these questions.

The broad spectrum of every aspect of life is what allows our Soul (Quintessence) to Evolve.

A Soul (Quintessence) can not Evolve in a perfect world
.... Please think about this.

This is a most important point of understanding to becoming an Alchemist.

Pilgrim said:
I've had a spiritual life since age 14 when I entered into Christianity and was later baptised. But it evolved and grew much since then to the point that I eventually reappraised the entire religion and everything I had been taught and left it, re-assessed who and what "God" is and everything else associated. One can not do that without having deep spiritual interest and internal honesty and conquering the inner battles it entails.

What I would say, from all those years looking at various faiths and belief systems and the myriad of interpersonal relationships we have in life, is that humility and love are primary keys that sit at the foundation of every one of them.

You appear to be confusing religion with a Spiritual Connection with Our Creator.

Perhaps I should be asking if you regularly make time to Commune with Our Creator ?

This is the very first step to becoming an Alchemist.

A spiritual practice is paramount to gaining any understanding of Alchemy.

No Spiritual Practice = No Alchemy.
 

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You appear to be confusing religion with a Spiritual Connection with Our Creator.

No, I very much am not.


Perhaps I should be asking if you regularly make time to Commune with Our Creator ?

Constantly, day in day out, for the past 40 years or more

This is the very first step to becoming an Alchemist.

A spiritual practice is paramount to gaining any understanding of Alchemy.

No Spiritual Practice = No Alchemy.

Again you assume that everyone must be following your own set of definitions. Alchemist, "enter into Alchemy". I am not framed or limited to your personal set of boundaries. Those chains are yours to wear alone. I will wear no chains. I am not on your path I am on my own path. I am not here to follow you or your path or anyone else's. I am Pilgrim. I claim nothing, I walk here in humility and with love and respect for all. In time my path will lead me elsewhere.
 
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Again you assume that everyone must be following your own set of definitions. Alchemist, "enter into Alchemy". I am not framed or limited to your personal set of boundaries. Those chains are yours to wear alone. I will wear no chains. I am not on your path I am on my own path. I am not here to follow you or your path or anyone else's. I am Pilgrim. I claim nothing, I walk here in humility and with love and respect for all. In time my path will lead me elsewhere.

All good and well but please remember that up to this point all of your opinions about Alchemy and Alchemists are pure supposition ... because you have not yet made any Entrance into Alchemy.

Supposition
= a belief held without proof or certain knowledge; an assumption or hypothesis.

When you have collected "Pure" Spiritus Mundi and worked the Primary Alchemic Process through the Blackness and the many colours ....Only then have you Entered into Alchemy.

Only then
will you have a genuine understanding of the Work.

Reading Alchemy books over 10 years or 60 years will not give you any understanding of Alchemy or Alchemists.

Asking and answering questions is a two way street .... I make time and I make an effort to answer questions here .... I would appreciate it if you would make the effort to answer my questions of you that you continue to avoid.

I will ask again.

You still seem to think that Alchemists are here to heal the world and all the people in it .... they are not. This is not the purpose of Alchemy.

Did you read somewhere that the Philosophers Stone is to "profit mankind" ?

Why do you think that the Philosophers Stone is to "profit mankind" ?

If you were one of these great Alchemists would you heal all the people of this world ?

Would you grant to all the good people of this world Eternal life ?

Would you grant to all the good people of this world great wealth and prosperity ?

Would you kill off all the people that you decided were evil ?

Would you elevate yourself to a God like status ?


As you can see from my questions that I am interested in learning more about the Pilgrim.
 

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It sounds so false black. " i do most sincerely " etc.

This right here is not what you actually do. You believe you do black. You dont know the pain people are in have been in trying to make the philosophers stone. Its an internet LARP for you. The WTF in your above post is your most honest response yet.
You dont have the secret solvent. This isnt a put down its just a fact for the time being. It can change.
I know you dont have it. I know because of ive known what you have to go through to get close to it.
When you have it SM you dont post about prayer, the all knowing, divine will, etc. This false piety in language betrays the work and lenghts you have to go through.

I made SM. And Alchemy wrecked my life. I went mad.
Forgot then remembered how to make it over and over again
Ripping my hair out trying to rip thoughts out of my head.
Thoughts that cant leave. That infected everything.
Wake up.to hell in your head. Sleep to forget it.
A knife behind my left eye trying to cut me. Everday for decades. Torture. Iwould scream in fits when this knife tried to cut my cock off. Over and over again. Beaten non stop.
I lost every chance to be someone else. Sacrificed every moment for this Art. Years alone without contact. No sex or friends since a teenager. I live at night at sleep all day. I have nothing and only wantto sleep and dream of my girl. I cant pur my relatives through that. I must help them from cancer. I must make sure after 60 years of hard work they have health and money to br free.
If i cannot accomplish what i already did i will walk into the ocean. I have no attachments if i cant save the people i love for tryiing for so long.So if you really have SM you fucking give it to Me and everyone else like me.
Ifnot fuck off with the divine advice. Fuck off with the false humble piety. Bleed like me for this Art and il fucking listen.
Everyone will because your being honest.

I a real fucking alchemist do not want to see any of your false shit about alchemy. Opinion or not, leave divine advice to the divine.
I sincerely understand where you’re coming from, your strength is admirable.
 

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@Jimmy

Jimmy said:
Hi Black but also to others reading this.
Thanks. I feel like it is starting to make sense but I have felt that way before. I thought I read in Frater Albertus's book that when a disease is not resolved by a herbal elixir than a medicine from another kingdom would be required. I do not have the book in hand but I will have to re read and thanks for letting me and the readers know of the proper order of mineral, vegetable, animal. Makes sense from a vibrational standpoint.

I was wondering if you could elaborate on what the danger is at the soul level when we administer a high potency tincture to an ill person?

Hi Jimmy

Not just an ill person but all people (Souls/Quintessence).

Jimmy said:
I do not know exactly what the risks are but it makes sense to me that a soul may become unbalanced in some way if the influx provided by the tincture is not received well or is too high of a frequency relative to the patient.

Yes correct Jimmy, the Frequency of one persons Soul can be very different to that of another persons Soul .... the raising of our Frequency that is the Evolution of Our Soul is not brought about by one very short life time .... it is an extremely long process as Quintessence (Soul) Evolves through the Three Realms and then continues to Evolve through man/woman over many, many life times.

This can be a difficult concept for those that believe we only have one life.

The goal of the Alchemist is to increase the Frequency of his/her Soul (Quintessence) and by this "short cut" the evolutionary process .... this is the Divine gift of Alchemy.

Jimmy said:
For some reason the word attunement appeared while writing that and it seems right that the receiver needs to be able to attune to the medicine.

Yes the Alchemist requires a balance/harmony in the Frequencies when ingesting an Alchemic Tincture .... not too much and not too little .... but gradually increasing over many years.

The Alchemist is a conduit for the Divine Light and by gradually ingesting higher and higher Frequency Tinctures he/she is able to accept and/or pass through more of this Light.
 

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I will ask again.

You still seem to think that Alchemists are here to heal the world and all the people in it .... they are not. This is not the purpose of Alchemy.

Did you read somewhere that the Philosophers Stone is to "profit mankind" ?

Why do you think that the Philosophers Stone is to "profit mankind" ?

If you were one of these great Alchemists would you heal all the people of this world ?

Would you grant to all the good people of this world Eternal life ?

Would you grant to all the good people of this world great wealth and prosperity ?

Would you kill off all the people that you decided were evil ?

Would you elevate yourself to a God like status ?


As you can see from my questions that I am interested in learning more about the Pilgrim.

You are out of step. You failed to answer the previous questions I put to you.

1 - "Do you not personally have any good medicine to give Alfr? Yes/No

2 - Are you essentially informing/confessing to the forum here that you are not skilled or advanced enough in your own "entrance to alchemy" to be of any use to a sick/diseased fellow human being?" Yes/No?

3- Is there not in this world any kind of wonderful medicine that can heal a person from any disease or illness but which does not require one to "enter into alchemy"? - Yes/No

4 - Do you think that alfr needs to be steered down the one singular avenue of "entering into alchemy" or that really what he needs is good medicine to save his wife?


Your past comments simply skipped over these questions.
 

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You are out of step.

It is clear that what you believe to be Alchemy and what I know to be Alchemy are two very different things.

IF you gain some understanding of Alchemy then we might continue to have a conversation .... but up to that point you are wasting your time and my time.

All of your theories and assumptions mean nothing till you put them to the Test in the laboratory.

Alchemy is a Divine Natural Science that requires indefatigable hands on work in the lab.

If you want to become a great Adept Alchemist and save the world then don't waste the precious time you have left with idle chit chat .... the clock is ticking.
 

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3- Is there not in this world any kind of wonderful medicine that can heal a person from any disease or illness but which does not require one to "enter into alchemy"? - Yes/No

4 - Do you think that alfr needs to be steered down the one singular avenue of "entering into alchemy" or that really what he needs is good medicine to save his wife?
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Hello everyone
Now for me Pilgrim you are totally right

In the midst of the nightmare in which I am unfortunately immersed which now I hope ends well with the arrival of the friend of the forun Anu Cintamani who is an expert in medicine and alcjemy Shidda
that as here all in forum all we know has offered us help for the cure and who will therefore arrive tomorrow here at our home here in Italy


NOW I'm looking for a flash of recovered clarity since there is no mention of responding

Now Honestly it's fine to study, research and practice and even be trained in alchemy and I've done it for dozens and dozens of years
and therefore if I understood that BLACK is right no problem in changing my opinions and consequent actions of me and my companions of the Promethean agape who ryrri like me are alchemist researchers and rev. violent if necessary against the nwo/sim system etc our ideas which are as I have been saying for some time here too in various posts which are largely very similar to those of Pilgrim on alchemy and the purposes of alchemy. And these alchemical ideas and purposes are (as I have already written in various posts) the alchemical guidelines which are the basic postulates today as they were among true alchemists and true RCs of light asian brothers etc in the past se as example as always the book of RC asian brothers : the astral dust with the priceless preface of RC fr Damerion

And therefore as proof of this I refer once again to the priceless preface of the book the astral dust by preface fr Damerion and the purposes of help and relief with the diffusion of alchimy medicine set out in it and in fact the text to which I refer explains for this purpose how to obtain the production of the astral dust and the precise purposes of disseminating this instruction which apparently is integral as regards the medicine spread by these true RCs pro salute populis (for the benefit of the people) but which we can also find complete for the high alkene aspects in the degree of the 2 vol book signaster grade 7 of the RC which were the internal circulars of the asian brothers

astral dust and the invaluable preface by fr Damerion (to whom I still refer to the text for operational reading and related laboratory practice) and in the preface the principles and purposes of dissemination pro popullis (in favor of the people) are clearly explained in the preface of the pinks cross brothers asia by fr Damerion (nb I refer to this as I have written and said extensively in various posts)
and I firmly hold these opinions of helping the sick and suffering with the dissemination of medicine as the true RCs indicated in the text on astral powder and where for this purpose the RCs of Asia disclosed to everyone the instructions for the preparation of astral powder even currently in this terrible and terrifying nightmare situation but if in any case if I understood that BLACK is right no problem in changing line and actions and opinions

because I and my companions in alchemy practical research and extreme and if necessary violent struggle against the new/sim system of Agape Prometheus we all seek the truth and we do not have preconceived opinions when faced with proven truths

BUT at least for now BLACK's vision with all due respect for research and studies and practices and indications as well as the absolute diktats that he philosophizes in his opinion, for now everything he says doesn't agree with me and for now it certainly doesn't it is my vision of alchemy and the purposes of alchemy, of the relationship that one must have with a superior teacher or of light and the right free will which for me is indispensable to exist and for me his absolute diktats pontificated by him so much for are not the aims of alchemy to which the TRUE RCS AND TRUE ALCHEMISTS RELATED themselves and certainly what BLACK states for now does not correspond to me at all to the aims and purposes clearly stated in the prefaces of fr Damerion of the RCs in his astral dust to which once again I confidently postpone

and therefore for now and without incontrovertible evidence to the contrary I continue to think of it as Pilgrim

and pilgrim is also totally right about how he answers blackl about what exactly what i want now
in fact, sincerely, now all that important is is finding a real and serious medicine that really cure in alchemy or not But that it really works and cure well my beloved companion
and this now it is the only thing that counts for me the rest for me now it has zero importance


But since he mentions himself to me and that every now and then I have little clarity in the nightmare I live
I don't agree with what Mr. BLACK talks about at all because it is largely opposed for now to the whole vision that I and my companions of the Promethean agape have of help and assistance pro populis of alchemy of its purposes, purposes and ends that for us they are and remain pro populis
BUT I repeat, everyone is very ready to change their minds if one day not with useless sophisms or philosophising absolute diktats (sophisms and philosophizing diktats which sincerely now compared to real choices and purposes of the true RCs alchemy for populis health (always see the instruction of the astral dust and the wonderful and immeasurable preface of fr Damerion) leave the time they find and nothing more
BUT with true and concrete facts the opposite will be conclusively demonstrated to us because I repeat it, we agape Prometheans even though we believe
and after analysis and many studies etc, we have arrived at our strong and proven ideas and theses and therefore our consequent action which I mentioned before

BUT also if we having reiterated this, we all remain first and always of the truth seekers and therefore we are not biased and if we found ourselves faced with a different truth, example like the one BLACK say or one other different truth, and if this different truth is really demonstrated in frontat the truth proven we not have biased bias but we will accept the truth

my best redard
 
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