OUR Natural Science Of The LIGHT

[Lakshmana]

i have no idea what you larpers are doing lol

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

Someone who doubts this, explain why Our Works are showing up with the same RESULTS when NOBODY is SHARING what their STARTING MATERIALS ARE!

I have no trouble sharing the starting material that I have used, at least from one approach. The Sun. Honestly, and literally.

And the result is a water that is not a water.

Does this make me the first to share?

 

[tAlc]

The Secret of the Starting Materials is in my opinion one the greatest secrets in alchemy. I think those who intend on divulging the secret are not destined to become Alchemists.

You asked if it makes you the first. Not necessarily. Because what makes you think that the Starting Materials you are using are the correct ones? Have you made the Stone?

Edit: You mentioned that the Starting Materials is the Sun. In my opinion, this is not the Starting Material. However, good luck with the Work and do not let my opinions bother or discourage you. Perhaps I'm wrong.

 

[Lakshmana]

I think those who intend on divulging the secret are not destined to become Alchemists.

What book is this from sounds interesting

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

The Secret of the Starting Materials is in my opinion one the greatest secrets in alchemy. I think those who intend on divulging the secret are not destined to become Alchemists.

You asked if it makes you the first. Not necessarily. Because what makes you think that the Starting Materials you are using are the correct ones? Have you made the Stone?

Edit: You mentioned that the Starting Materials is the Sun. In my opinion, this is not the Starting Material. However, good luck with the Work and do not let my opinions bother or discourage you. Perhaps I'm wrong.

I guess I'm not destined to become an Alchemist

"what makes you think that the Starting Materials you are using are the correct ones"

You only asked what people are using as their starting matter, not necessarily what correct starting matters they are using. So, I didn't say that it is necessarily the correct one - just my conviction based on research.

Also, it does not at all represent the only starting matters that I use. As mentioned it is only one of several paths. It led to a "water" that fits what has been described as being the correct result. I was not able to produce enough (in my Latitude) to test it further.

 

[Andro]

Also, it does not at all represent the only starting matters that I use. As mentioned it is only one of several paths. It led to a "water" that fits what has been described as being the correct result. I was not able to produce enough (in my Latitude) to test it further.

The Luminaries (ALL of them) are literally the ultimate starter kits (in my view).

They give the purest and least "contaminated" results. Top notch Fire level Alchemy.

Example: If we daily (and safely!) practice sun-gazing while grounded (barefoot on the earth), we are already kick-starting the Work internally.

Receiving and conjoining the Above and the Below within ourselves.

This is just one of the (many) secrets of some Dzogchen and Vajrayana lineages.

The lab work follows the exact same principles.

Illen, I believe we have more than one area of mutual interest in our research protocols. Plus, I now also have the latitude

Note: Spin-off topic continued here: Sungazing.

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

Illen, I believe we have more than one area of mutual interest in our research protocols. Plus, I now also have the latitude

I envy you - the latitude is critical! I'm still trying to find a way around this, and have a few ideas.

 

[black]

i have no idea what you larpers are doing lol

Hey Lakshmana, we are all "larpers" on this stage of Duality.

 

[black]

Originally Posted by Lakshmana
Merge the sun (crown) with the earth (root) in equal amounts in your heart and make a fiery ball then use the new energy to fix your field

There's more actual substance in this post than in this entire thread combined.
IMO, of course

You could be correct Andro, but I feel it should read as:

Merge the Luna with the Earth in not so equal amounts and make a fiery ball then use the new energy to Fix your field.

 

[black]

I envy you - the latitude is critical! I'm still trying to find a way around this, and have a few ideas.

Hi Illen
Don't forget the Lenses / Magnifying Glasses to intensify the Light into your flask.

Watch out for those exploding flasks.

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

Hi Illen
Don't forget the Lenses / Magnifying Glasses to intensify the Light into your flask.

Watch out for those exploding flasks.

Of course, but even with those, it's not enough. The Sun's never high enough where I am.

 

[black]

Of course, but even with those, it's not enough. The Sun's never high enough where I am.

I have never used the Sun / Lens method but I can see that it is possible.

There are much simpler and so much faster methods than using the Suns rays with a lens.
I know of a few different methods where 20 ml can be collected in a couple of hours.

I view 20 ml as a large quantity in relation to it's dangerous capability.

 

[Lakshmana]

Sun and earth is more powerful imo

I'm going to attempt using 76.345 deg pyramids aligned to north filled with magnetite with a vial of anything in the middle center of the pyramid

Pyra = fire
mid = (in the) middle

The Stone Finally Solved?

God's Recipe for it http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/pyramidgold.htm

alchemyforums.com

 

[black]

Sun and earth is more powerful imo
I'm going to attempt using 76.345 deg pyramids aligned to north filled with magnetite with a vial of anything in the middle center of the pyramid

Do you have any expectations of what you might get from this ?

I'm interested.

I always thought that the pyramid hype was just Hippy, New Ager stuff, but over the
last few years I've been told there is a lot more to it as with the so called Cheops
pyramid, etc.

 

[Lakshmana]

I saw some experiments and pictures of people putting gold nuggets in a pyramid like that and after days/weeks an oil and white powder appears to be oozing out of the nugget and its supposedly psychoactive/healing so I decided to investigate myself to see if it will work.

Beyond that you can apparently melt gold into a red puddle using the pyramid after the white stage
The pyramid "electrostatic" effect where bits of cork jump around look exactly like ozonated gold/azomite crystals jumping around some kind of scalar Meissner field I think

I want to build a 20 liter 76 degree pyramid and build a small kings chamber inside which I can access by opening some lid on the bottom maybe even cover it in some kind of liquid limestone formula but that's later

I think the layers of non conductive and conductive is important

The mold is made of Polyethylene which is a good electrical insulator. It offers electrical treeing resistance; however, it becomes easily electrostatically charged.

 

[ghetto alchemist]

you can apparently melt gold into a red puddle using the pyramid after the white stage

Where did you hear that?
Do you have any references you can give us to follow up?
I think this is a big clue about what's actually going with pyramid energy.
Unfortunately it's very difficult to make white powder gold, very few people in the world have ever been able to produce it, so it won't be easy to verify.

The pyramid "electrostatic" effect where bits of cork jump around look exactly like ozonated gold/azomite crystals jumping around some kind of scalar Meissner field I think

Static electricity charge has often been observed to be closely connected to life-force/orgone/etc.
Eg:
= Reich noticed that a leyden jar will hold static charge far longer when inside an orgone accumulator.
= Reich also noticed that moist air will quickly dissipate orgone energy, damp air also dissipates static charge.
= Jim noticed experienced a lot of static discharges coming off himself after he got "nuked"
= Ken Shoulders used a SEM to look at objects like metal door knobs after static discharge and found pits in the metal with transmutation products around the impact crater.
= Joe cell will work best with insulators such as nitrile rubber or ebonite, the same substances which collect and hold static charge the best.

So for me...this pyramid discovery is just another example of the same phenomenon.

I want to build a 20 liter 76 degree pyramid and build a small kings chamber inside which I can access by opening some lid on the bottom maybe even cover it in some kind of liquid limestone formula but that's later

I reckon you should start small first, like the guy in the video.
First test on a small scale to find which designs which work the best, and then scale those up.
Eg: in that video he said the thin shell pyramids produced a stronger effect on the cork.

 

[black]

I saw some experiments and pictures of people putting gold nuggets in a pyramid like that and after days/weeks an oil and white powder appears to be oozing out of the nugget and its supposedly psychoactive/healing so I decided to investigate myself to see if it will work.

So good to see members doing research and lab work.

 

[Lakshmana]

Where did you hear that?

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/pyramidgold.htm

Unfortunately it's very difficult to make white powder gold, very few people in the world have ever been able to produce it, so it won't be easy to verify.

I'm making wpg with ozone + distillation I will try putting it into the pyramid and mix it with gold powder maybe to see what happens

Static electricity charge has often been observed to be closely connected to life-force/orgone/etc.

As I already told you in dms I believe the pyramid acts as an antenna and concentrator of cosmic/sun energies hitting earth
I think its best to build it as closely to the real pyramids as we can

I want to put copper pipes into the ground/grass and mud and fill the pipe with magnetite then connect the pyramid to the grounding pipe

I think its a merging of cosmic sun moon star energy with earth energy creating a new energy in the center of the pyramid

This is just my random imaginary theory

Apparently cone shapes work too and mountains in the real world are creating this effect also transmuting and changing matter
also volcanos
and plants/animals/insects
fractal antennas

First test on a small scale to find which designs which work the best, and then scale those up.

Yeah I'm starting with double giza octahedron made of wood and 76 degree 1800ml pyramid

So good to see members doing research and lab work.

Oh and you can apparently over charge things in pyramids

say you have some kind of philosophical ormus trap water oil or spagyric extract or whatever
If you over charge it in a high energy environment it might "pop" and flip into a metal and stop being in its undefined state
I don't know if this is the case for gold

 

[ghetto alchemist]

Me: Where did you hear that?
Lakshmana: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/pyramidgold.htm

Thanks for the reference. The guy who wrote that page used to be active here on the forum.
That webpage, and the linked text “Pursuit of alchemy” were the very first alchemy texts that I ever read, and it was almost 15 years ago.
I re-read both of them for a trip down memory lane.
It was also interesting to notice how my understanding has grown in all that time.
Imagine what you'll be like in 14 years time brother.

Me:Unfortunately it's very difficult to make white powder gold, very few people in the world have ever been able to produce it, so it won't be easy to verify.
Lakshmana:I'm making wpg with ozone + distillation I will try putting it into the pyramid and mix it with gold powder maybe to see what happens

I was including you (and myself) in my number of very few.
OK...I never actually made WPG...but I did make WPS.
Anyway, it'll be great if you can try and confirm or refute it.

As I already told you in dms I believe the pyramid acts as an antenna and concentrator of cosmic/sun energies hitting earth

Yes, you're right, and I totally agree.
It's just not enough for me is all.
I want to know more.
Eg: how to concentrate the energies....manipulate them and max out the effects.
IMO you're the same because you're conducting experiments and tweaking variables to try to crack it.

Apparently cone shapes work too and mountains in the real world are creating this effect also transmuting and changing matter

I've heard that the cone shape works well if it's a phi cone.
Eg: something like a dunce cap.

also volcanos
and plants/animals/insects
fractal antennas

True, except it might also be possible that volcanoes are simply ejecting the substances/energies to the surface from deep underground.

I'm starting with double giza octahedron made of wood and 76 degree 1800ml pyramid

Sweet, sounds like a good start.
Please keep us updated.

Oh and you can apparently over charge things in pyramids
say you have some kind of philosophical ormus trap water oil or spagyric extract or whatever
If you over charge it in a high energy environment it might "pop" and flip into a metal and stop being in its undefined state

That might be a very useful thing if it actually works as such.

 

[Bellsprout]

I saw some experiments and pictures of people putting gold nuggets in a pyramid like that and after days/weeks an oil and white powder appears to be oozing out of the nugget and its supposedly psychoactive/healing so I decided to investigate myself to see if it will work.

Beyond that you can apparently melt gold into a red puddle using the pyramid after the white stage
The pyramid "electrostatic" effect where bits of cork jump around look exactly like ozonated gold/azomite crystals jumping around some kind of scalar Meissner field I think

I want to build a 20 liter 76 degree pyramid and build a small kings chamber inside which I can access by opening some lid on the bottom maybe even cover it in some kind of liquid limestone formula but that's later

I think the layers of non conductive and conductive is important

The mold is made of Polyethylene which is a good electrical insulator. It offers electrical treeing resistance; however, it becomes easily electrostatically charged.

Is this a picture taken from somewhere else, or is it your own picture of something you've had happen?

 

[tAlc]

I always thought that the pyramid hype was just Hippy, New Ager stuff, but over the
last few years I've been told there is a lot more to it as with the so called Cheops
pyramid, etc.

It appears to me that the pyramids were done by exoterics or, outsiders of the occult i.e those not understanding the occult. Like Christians thinking a cross necklace does anything. The Cross, symbolizing Self-Enlightenment.

 

[Lakshmana]

Please keep us updated.

Yes bros I will, got a 3d printer on the way gonna make some big ones
much fun

pyramids were done by exoterics or, outsiders

Like those darn Egyptians and Bosnians and Aztecs and Alaskans and Russians and all these fools

This is denialism to me

Is this a picture taken from somewhere else, or is it your own picture of something you've had happen?

This is the picture from the same person in the video

I will upload mine when and if I get them

If we don't know how its literally done

I told you all that is needed very graciously you just need to feel the archetypes and do the work

If you want you can imagine two orbs of equal size above and below regulating the flow
You can also imagine strings of light going up to the sun and connecting with it drawing energy all the way to your body
Root systems of light growing down into the earth
Maybe you are sitting on the earth maybe the root is the earth and the crown is the sun
Maybe I'm throwing pearls to swine or rather babies who want to be strolled around going googo gägä?

It is not an intellectual work
intuition

 

[tAlc]

Hi Blacksmith

I would like to see more members step up to the challenge and apply themselves to this "Puzzle".

My understanding of the puzzle, and assuming by puzzle you mean the mystery of alchemy:

The Matter begins as Sun and Moon, we need to encourage these two to have intercourse, but because they aren't fixed like our human earthly material bodies, they will not exist apart from the third (the embyro) and continue to exist outside of it, instead they will become One and will germinate. This germination is the snake eating its own tail, the solve et coagula, the consuming and the producing, the fixing and unfixing.

We Have;

Sol et Luna

Metal Kingdom

Vegetable Kingdom

Animal Kingdom

We must acquire this highly concentrated Light from the Mineral / Metallic Realm where it is collected by nature over millions and millions of years.[/B]

The Light is present within the Universe. Everything uses it and nothing in this Universe can NOT use it, the Light IS Everything. All is ONE COLOUR, just in different shades, still ONE.

In order to acquire this Light and accumulate it inside of our flasks we have to learn to go fishing in the Abyss. This is where the Light can be found in a tangible state. I don't resonate with nature collecting it over millions of years because Everything is Nature and Nature comes from the Light which comes from the Abyss, if we have found the Light inside of the Mineral Kingdom then that means that Nature has collected and concentrated and matured it within months inside of our flask.

Now, unlike some others on your post who in my opinion have been personal, rude, and impolite when asking questions, my questions aren't geared from such negative places of misery. My questions are geared with the intent of trying to understanding your line of thinking and seeing if it matches my own.

Are we on the same page generally when it comes to alchemy? Do our preparations match? Mine did with Schmuldvich's (he shared it with me on my old forum where I met Chasm369... I love him a lot)

Also, question, you mention you have 30 years of experience with Spiritus Mundi... Do you have any photos around of the preparations stage? I've had mine on alchemy processes, but the site is gone and so are my photos. I can produce some new ones but it will have to be next month.

P.S; I usually refrain from speaking too much about alchemy these days, but seeing as though Chasm369 is far more generous when speaking about the Art... I mean the guy whom I love very much talks about Alcohol regarding our Work... I see what he means from this but I think he speaks too openly... but I trust him, so I'm going to attempt to talk with @Black here publically regarding the Art in a more open matter trying to have a nice alchemic philosophical conversation with Black, but it takes two to tangle... lets see if Black responds

 

[tAlc]

Hi Seth

I felt it better to reply to you here, rather than clog Blacksmiths thread.



No need for me to prove it, because you have already done that for me.
Continue reading and it will be most obvious to you.


Yes, All came from The One, but Prima Materia (Soul, Quintessence) is only in everything that is Living.

It's clear to me, that @Seth-Ra doesn't understand precisely WHAT the Prima Materia is. You don't need to be an Alchemist to understand it. You can translate your understandings of Alchemy over to Magic and relate it with Crossing.

The books say that the Stone is everywhere, yes, and the Emerald Tablet says it is One but using lets say... but will using processed sugar yield the Stone? The same book Seth is referring to continues in the same paragraph, saying that people do not RECOGNIZE the Thing that is found Everywhere.

The matter lies before the eyes of all; everybody sees it, touches it, loves it, but knows it not. It is glorious and vile, precious and of small account, and is found everywhere... But, to be brief, our Matter has as many names as there are things in this world; that is why the foolish know it not.
- The Golden Tract

But why is it called a Stone, though it is not a stone; and how is it to be found? The Sages describe it as being a stone
and not a stone; and the vulgar, who cannot imagine how so wonderful a thing should be produced except by art-
magic,
- Eirenaeus Philalethes

Know also that there is only one thing in the whole world that enters into the composition of the Stone, and that,
therefore, all coagulation, and admixture, of different ingredients, would shew you to be on a wrong scent altogether.
- The Glory of the World, Or, Table of Paradise

From the one substance is evolved, first the White, and then the Red Tincture; there is one vessel, one goal, and one
method.
- The New Pearl of Great Price, by Peter Bonus

For the pure substance is of one simple essence, void of all heterogeneity; but that which is impure and unclean,
consists of hetero gene parts, is not simple, but compounded (to wit of pure and impure) and apt to putrefy and corrupt.
Therefore let nothing enter into your composition, which is alien or foreign to the matter, as all impurity is; for
nothing goes to the composition of our stone, that proceedeth not from it neither in part nor in whole. If any strange
or foreign thing be mixed with it, it is immediately corrupted, and by that corruption your work becomes frustrated.
- The Root of the World, by Roger Bacon

Our true and real Matter is only a Vapor, impregnated with the Metallic Seed, yet undetermined
- Aphorisms of Urbigerus, by Baro Urbigerus

This Matter lies before the eyes of all; everybody sees it, touches it, loves it, but knows it not. It is glorious and vile,
precious and of small account, and is found everywhere.
- The Golden Tract Concerning the Stone of the Philosophers, by Am Anonymous German Philosopher

by the ignorant and the beginner it is thought to be the vilest and meanest of things. It is sought by many Sages, and
found by few; [...] Men have it before their eyes, handle it with their hands, yet know it not, though they constantly
tread it under their feet. [...] [the matter is] very common, and may be everywhere obtained in abundance;

- The Sophie Hydrolith, Or, Water Stone of the Wise

Our substance is openly displayed before the eyes of all, and yet is not known. [...] our water that does not wet the
hands

- The New Chemical Light, by Michael Sendivogius

There is something which everyone recognizes, and whoever does not recognize it will rarely, perhaps never find it.
The wise man will keep it and the fool will throw it away, and the reduction comes easily to the man who knows it.

- A Magnificent and Select Tract on Philosophical Water

The Stone is mystic, or secret, because it is found in a secret place, in an universally despised substance where no
one looks for the greatest treasure of the world. Hence it may well be called The HIDDEN STONE.

- The Glory of the World, Or, Table of Paradise

 

[black]

Hi tAlchemist

Now, unlike some others on your post who in my opinion have been personal, rude, and impolite when asking questions, my questions aren't geared from such negative places of misery.

I feel we need to take into consideration that those that can be a little rude on the forum are probably those that have been hurt or are hurting and also those that bully are often those that have been bullied.
I have been asked to play nicer with the other children, so I'm giving it my best shot.

Also, question, you mention you have 30 years of experience with Spiritus Mundi... Do you have any photos around of the preparations stage?

I've never taken any photos of the "preparation", the whole process from start to finish only takes several hours with the way I collect it.
There are other methods of collection that could take several months, but whatever method is used the SM will ultimately all be the same when having passed the appropriate TESTS.

I see what he means from this but I think he speaks too openly... but I trust him, so I'm going to attempt to talk with @Black here publically regarding the Art in a more open matter trying to have a nice alchemic philosophical conversation with Black, but it takes two to tangle... lets see if Black responds

Black does not shy away from questions about Alchemy if it is at all possible for him to answer them, but only to his level of knowledge of the Work.