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Hi Denii

Could you please share with me and the rest of the members of this forum where you got this information from ?

Does this information come from some research you have done ?

Did you read it somewhere ?

Or is this just your belief ?

If it is just what you believe thats fine by me as there are many members here that believe all sorts of things.

There are those that believe they can collect Spiritus Mundi from milk.

There are those that believe they can transmute water into Spiritus Mundi and even those that believe they can extract Universal Quintessence by distilling sea water 20 times.

I would also be very interested in hearing what else you know about Alchemy ?

Do you have a serious hands-on Alchemic Practice in the laboratory ?

Or are you just a belief / theory / book Alchemist ?

I have a feeling that you will fit into this forum very well Denii.
Hi Mr Black, My emphasis was on the fact that the wicked already know how to create the philosopher stone and since they know how too it’s science.

Alchemist of old had moral and integrity and about all faith in the divine therefore their words reflect such.

Air is invincible to the eyes so is the spirit/fume collected in our flasks. Yes alchemy is the mother of science it is not Divine Art and only the Chosen few bless by the Divine can obtain the stone.

With the understanding of nature as well as how metal forms we can then approach alchemy with a different perspective.

Regarding evil who already knows how to create the stone If they weren’t wicked history and civilisation as we know it wouldn’t be so vail.

before I got involved in alchemy I’ve done much reading about history. Then I branch off into ancient civilisation. Then I started reading modern scholars texts.

The old alchemist said create an environment that replicates nature with this understanding and careful practice we can collect what is invincible to the eyes.

Your ways and beliefs may differ but what we all on this forum aims are all the same.

I took what I understood from others on this forum and started experimenting I will share my findings with everyone after a few months.
 

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Anyone who has the means/medicine to cure innocent children and others from debilitating diseases and illnesses but sits idly by keeping the medicine for themselves "lest all the hogs come to the honey pot" IS inherently wicked and selfish and undeserving of such a universally wonderful product.

Since the world IS full of sick and suffering people hen IF the Stone really does exist then those that have it are clearly wicked for they are keeping it for themselves instead of freeing humanity from the control of Pharmaceuticals and other conglomerates.
Precisely Mr Pilgrim!
 

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Mr Microwatt with all the wickedness is this world do you truly believe there’s a righteous king ruling. There’s more people dying now because of the vaccine and government worldwide failed to address it. 253 trillion was stolen and 9/11 implemented to cover it up I’m sure the government already altered this history. There a world disaster relief fund infinite amount of gold that can revive the world economy but they now hide all documentation of it. It was set up by St Germain and continuous to today. The devil still rules all and there’s none righteous under it either in spirit or flesh.


Becuase the powers of the stone go beyond physical healing. Giving the stone to the masses is like handing out teacups filled with gasoline and lighters to toddlers.
with great power comes great responsibility.
 

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Becuase the powers of the stone go beyond physical healing. Giving the stone to the masses is like handing out teacups filled with gasoline and lighters to toddlers.
with great power comes great responsibility.

And sitting idly by whilst toddlers walk into the path of an oncoming vehicle is equally wicked. Through all the millennia of the Stone's existence, those that have it must know how it can be SAFELY administered and distributed to all mankind. They keep it for themselves because it gives them power. Power over humans, power over the world, power that is all-consuming. With it they've created a prison planet, they keep the masses in ignorance, they subvert education and learning, they ensure lifespans are horribly short.

These people are thoroughly wicked. They keep it lest (in their words) "all the hogs come to the honey pot"

Yet they were once hogs themselves.

Every Mason and Rosicrucian that has participated in this cover up and kept the secret for their own machinations is wholly culpable.

There must come a reckoning.
 

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John 3 1-18 NKJV​

The New Birth​

3 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Emphasis on verses 5 through 8 re, the hogs comment. Only those who have the eternal word are of the spirit. The flesh are born of flesh and cannot see the kingdom of God not ascend into heaven. Not all start as "hogs" (is real light)
 

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John 3 1-18 NKJV​

The New Birth​

3 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Emphasis on verses 5 through 8 re, the hogs comment. Only those who have the eternal word are of the spirit. The flesh are born of flesh and cannot see the kingdom of God not ascend into heaven. Not all start as "hogs" (is real light)
Read chapters 1 and 2 carefully for more insight. Pray for understanding.
 

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Thanks Jimmy but as I've probably said elsewhere, I do not take the Bible literally. It is a work of allegories and encoded secrets. The Christian doctrine/religion is a trap that I escaped from and I count myself lucky to have escaped. There are many that never do.

I'm kinda surprised actually that you cling to such literal interpretations when you're here on an alchemy forum. "The flesh are born of flesh" ? Do you not believe that the divine source, the SM or whatever you choose to call it, exists in everything? If it does, then it's in everyone and thus WE already are the Kingdom of God. We are the kingdom and the kingdom is us. Equally we are God and God is us.

The flesh is simply the container for that which is truly you & I. If you believe in the notions of the Christian God, then that God encased us in flesh for a reason. Same as he subjected us all to horrible suffering for a reason. And at this point we head down the path of peeling back the lid on Christianity (and literal Bible interpretation) and exposing all its glaring contradictions and psychological techniques and I sense that this won't be an avenue you'd want to go down. Christianity = denial imo and that denial requires that a person compartmentalise all the errors and problems and inconsistencies and indeed horrors that are a part of it all. Christianity requires a psychological state of mind where you blindly just agree to everything even though all the evidence around you on a daily basis tells you it's not true.

I'm afraid having escaped that monstrous system of control I can never go back.
 

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More from Jesus

1 And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

2 Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will rule over all."

7 Jesus said, "Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human."

11 Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive. When you are in the light, what will you do? 0n the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

19 Jesus said, "Congratulations to the one who came into being before coming into being. If you become my disciples and pay attention to my sayings, these stones will serve you. For there are five trees in Paradise for you; they do not change, summer or winter, and their leaves do not fall. Whoever knows them will not taste death."

22 Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the (Father's) domain]."

24 He said to them, "Anyone here with two ears had better listen! There is light within a person of light, and it shines on the whole world. If it does not shine, it is dark."

29 Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, that is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, that is a marvel of marvels. Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has come to dwell in this poverty."

82 Jesus said, "Whoever is near me is near the fire, and whoever is far from me is far from the (Father's) domain."

114 Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the domain of heaven."
 

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Pilgrim;

I think you misunderstand every post that I have placed here in response to you.
I also think it is possible that I am misunderstanding yours as well.

I'm kinda surprised actually that you cling to such literal interpretations when you're here on an alchemy forum. "The flesh are born of flesh" ? Do you not believe that the divine source, the SM or whatever you choose to call it, exists in everything? If it does, then it's in everyone and thus WE already are the Kingdom of God. We are the kingdom and the kingdom is us. Equally we are God and God is us. (we have a part of God in us; a "spark" or "light" that the majority of the world rejects. It is still there in potential though. If the highest author-ity writes it into the book of life.) We do come from God or "the one" but we are not "the one" in totality, just an expression of it. We may merge our will with the "one" to reach henosis.

The flesh is simply the container for that which is truly you & I.(to work through if we allow it and visa versa, first we must humbly ask or be born with that predisposition, if we reject the driving influence we will only be a container; and hence "of the flesh")
If you believe in the notions of the Christian God, then that God encased us in flesh for a reason.

Now, many of the quotes you posted actually describe what I am talking about; unbeknownst to you at this point.

2 Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will rule over all."
Indeed; don't you feel disturbed?
7 Jesus said, "Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human."
The lion will become One with the human containing the divine spark when eaten.
The lion will obtain the divine spark when eating the human.
Humans are endowed with the light of the father wither they recognize it or not.
Look at the sparrows; for they neither toil nor worry; and you are worth more than many sparrows. (they are animated but cannot speak, read, think, etc. ) Maybe if they eat a human their vibration will increase so much that they will reincarnate as one. A large soul frequency jump.


11 Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive. When you are in the light, what will you do? 0n the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"
Because humans are spiritual and physical; especially those who have the spirit operating inside. Thus we spiritualize matter during our lives. The rest of the quote I confess difficult to explain.
19 Jesus said, "Congratulations to the one who came into being before coming into being. If you become my disciples and pay attention to my sayings, these stones will serve you. For there are five trees in Paradise for you; they do not change, summer or winter, and their leaves do not fall. Whoever knows them will not taste death."
The one who came from above; the spirit descending into the material body.(which then can return to the spirit.) For the rest; they must acquire this "spiritual rebirth" here on earth(spirit coming into being because of the body~ a marvel.) which the quote preceded by the number 29 speaks about.
22 Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the (Father's) domain]."
Henosis; the language of the birds taken to its conclusion.
24 He said to them, "Anyone here with two ears had better listen! There is light within a person of light, and it shines on the whole world. If it does not shine, it is dark."
Spiritual versus fleshly man.
29 Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, that is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, that is a marvel of marvels. Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has come to dwell in this poverty."
I was referring to this one above. The marvel of marvels is referring to being reborn of the spirit; the father enters into the life of the individual and they are then working with the light or word.
82 Jesus said, "Whoever is near me is near the fire, and whoever is far from me is far from the (Father's) domain."
He is a blazing fire; and the closer we get the more we are purified (by it). Eternal will.
114 Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the domain of heaven."
Both aspects are present in a living spirit; oneness.. again.


Have a great day;

I could be wrong. I am also trying to figure this out.
I don't blindly accept everything in the bible verbatim; however there is a certain interpretation intended which can be of assistance.
Remember; everything in this material world is "one". Even the bible.
Books can speak to us.

ALL IMO OF COURSE.
 

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And sitting idly by whilst toddlers walk into the path of an oncoming vehicle is equally wicked. Through all the millennia of the Stone's existence, those that have it must know how it can be SAFELY administered and distributed to all mankind. They keep it for themselves because it gives them power. Power over humans, power over the world, power that is all-consuming. With it they've created a prison planet, they keep the masses in ignorance, they subvert education and learning, they ensure lifespans are horribly short.

These people are thoroughly wicked. They keep it lest (in their words) "all the hogs come to the honey pot"

Yet they were once hogs themselves.

Every Mason and Rosicrucian that has participated in this cover up and kept the secret for their own machinations is wholly culpable.

There must come a reckoning.
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Pilgrim;

I think you misunderstand every post that I have placed here in response to you.

I hope not. I just think you're too deeply entrenched in the religious dogmas to be free to think what the true meanings of the Bible passages are. I could be wrong.


Indeed; don't you feel disturbed?

No, just saddened and bitterly disappointed that such a wonderful thing is kept from the masses leaving them to suffer, decay and die totally unnecessarily.

The lion will become One with the human containing the divine spark when eaten.
The lion will obtain the divine spark when eating the human.
Humans are endowed with the light of the father wither they recognize it or not.
Look at the sparrows; for they neither toil nor worry; and you are worth more than many sparrows. (they are animated but cannot speak, read, think, etc. ) Maybe if they eat a human their vibration will increase so much that they will reincarnate as one. A large soul frequency jump.

Do you really think that's the correct interpretation? Nowhere in nature does one creature become another creature by virtue of eating that creature. We don't become cows or sheep through eating their meat. Neither do other animals become humans through eating humans. Everything has different RNA/DNA which controls form and make up.

Everything contains life energy though so whatever we eat may give us some of that energy. Most of the time though we cook the food we eat and let the life energy escape before we eat it. Hence we eat "dead food" as Jesus stated in the passage I quoted.
Here it is again:

"11 Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive. When you are in the light, what will you do? 0n the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?""

Interesting that he talks of more than one heaven and that they are clearly NOT eternal. That probably doesn't sit well with the false Christian doctrine and dogma which will be why texts like this were stripped from the final edit of the Bible. The dead are not alive because the life energy has left them. The living will not die because they have the life energy within them. Life therefore is simply defined as that which the life energy pervades. No life energy = no life. Jesus's next statement "During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive" I assume means that when we eat dead food, it mixes with our body and thereby becomes partly infused with our own life energy. It must absorb/attract some of that energy during digestion.

Some issues arise from these notions. Notably that the life energy in an animal must in part be undetermined for otherwise a human could not use it (I assume). Same goes for animals eating humans. What about the plants humans eat? Vegetables, fruits, leaves etc. The life energy in those we presumably ingest and somehow absorb. Where then does the theory of determined and undetermined life energy (quintessence) fit into this? What would happen if we simply had an abundance of undetermined life energy?

The one who came from above; the spirit descending into the material body.(which then can return to the spirit.) For the rest; they must acquire this "spiritual rebirth" here on earth(spirit coming into being because of the body~ a marvel.) which the quote preceded by the number 29 speaks about.

"If the flesh came into being because of spirit, that is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, that is a marvel of marvels."

You see this is where I think you're locked into the religious dogma. For me, what the above passage is saying, is that it's a wondrous thing if you can take a body and make the spirit (SM, Quintessence etc) come into it. In other words it's saying how wondrous it is if you can construct a magnet into which SM flows.


Spiritual versus fleshly man.

Not how I see that passage. Here it is again: ""Anyone here with two ears had better listen! There is light within a person of light, and it shines on the whole world. If it does not shine, it is dark."

Light imo doesn't correspond to spirit. Elsewhere in that gospel the word spirit is used plainly throughout. Light means knowledge, enlightenment. In Masonic rituals candidates come seeking "light" but it's meaning (as all meanings in the Craft are) is multi-layered and deep and includes the meaning of returning to one's pure source. In the above passage I read that there are numerous people who have this "light" or special knowledge and ability or connection to the source. Some of those people are "good" (people of light) and thus they use what they have for the good of the world around them (their light shines on the whole world). Other people are not "good" and so their light remains dark, i.e. they have kept the gift/secret for themselves and use it perhaps for dark purposes.

The true source of life is all around us. It pervades the universe but we can't see it with our mortal eyes, yet it is there. It doesn't help matters to think of this life source as "God" or as a person or deity. That can not be the case imo. Gods and deities are simply the "dark", they are the ones who have harnessed the power, connected themselves to it and have subsequently used it for their own power and greed. They have set themselves up as "Gods" to those who are innocent and ignorant of these truths, which of course is easily done. If you could go back in time with the knowledge of Nature and science that you have today, you could present yourself as a God to the naive people of yesterday.

We are the Goyim. We have been disconnected from that life source like disconnecting a rechargeable battery from it's charging station. We thus are running on limited charge and that charge is running out. I personally felt it at about age 30 yrs. Before that I was still full of beans, full of energy, having I believe, in my body lots of stem cells or other cells that were full of life energy and possibly very efficient at drawing more and more life energy into my body. But at 30yrs ish that somehow gets switched off and we then start to run down.

We are thus trapped on a planet we can't leave, in a contained environment in which we have been severed from the true life source.
There's no all-powerful, all-loving "God" out there looking down on us. That's naive Santa Claus fantasy, a fantasy designed to dupe you and enslave your mind, stifle thinking and make you cow tow in fear.

To escape our prison we have to re-establish our connection with the true source of life energy. Somehow. I assume that the Stone or various Stones in some way re-create the cells or type of matter that we had within our bodies after birth and which constantly attracted life energy from the world around us. It plugs us back into the charging station. Result = full health, speedy healing and longevity among other benefits.

Those currently running this planet, the greedy, power-mongering wicked imbeciles who took control a long time ago, will do everything they can to keep us in the dark. Our freedom does not lie within the Churches or secret societies around us, those are the very systems of control they use to keep us chained down. Those things do offer a route for you to become part of that wicked evil machine though and they tempt people on a daily basis with promises of wealth and status and limited power over ordinary people. You must therefore guard yourself from the wolves that are always prowling.

Our goal must not be to become one of the prison guards, a person "in the know", given limited knowledge and power over and above the Goyim.

Our goal must be to bring light to the whole world, to burn down the veils that have been closed before our eyes and to rid this world of the blight of the wicked greedy people keeping everyone in darkness, poverty and illness.
 

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And sitting idly by whilst toddlers walk into the path of an oncoming vehicle is equally wicked. Through all the millennia of the Stone's existence, those that have it must know how it can be SAFELY administered and distributed to all mankind. They keep it for themselves because it gives them power. Power over humans, power over the world, power that is all-consuming. With it they've created a prison planet, they keep the masses in ignorance, they subvert education and learning, they ensure lifespans are horribly short.

These people are thoroughly wicked. They keep it lest (in their words) "all the hogs come to the honey pot"

Yet they were once hogs themselves.

Every Mason and Rosicrucian that has participated in this cover up and kept the secret for their own machinations is wholly culpable.

There must come a reckoning.
Have you read any alchemical tracts? They fear the curse of God if they reveal it. Many alchemists have revealed the secret online, perished soon after.
 

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It's okay; you can keep calling me brainwashed. The bible is not the only book I read.
These are my interpretations at the moment of writing the reply; I am not claiming they are "the truth".
I see commonalities between many different sources of information.. its like, anything in this world can give a message if you
are open to it.

Something to think about; if the Word is the Light, and the light came into the world and the darkness comprehended it not,
it came and walked among them and they recognized it not.
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Strongs Concordance for "Word" greek word G3056 "λόγος"

G3056
λόγος
logos
log'-os
From G3004; something said (including the thought); by implication a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension a computation; specifically (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (that is, Christ): - account, cause, communication, X concerning, doctrine, fame, X have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason, + reckon, remove, say (-ing), shew, X speaker, speech, talk, thing, + none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work.


Strongs Concordance for G3004 which "Word- G3056 is from"
G3004
λέγω
legō
leg'-o
A primary verb; properly to “lay” forth, that is, (figuratively) relate (in words [usually of systematic or set discourse; whereas G2036 and G5346 generally refer to an individual expression or speech respectively; while G4483 is properly to break silence merely, and G2980 means an extended or random harangue]); by implication to mean: - ask, bid, boast, call, describe, give out, name, put forth, say (-ing, on), shew, speak, tell, utter.

To set vibration into motion via the speech or ruach.

Now in John Ch.1:

"
The Word Became Flesh
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

So, the word was God.
We already looked at Word; lets look at God.

G2316
θεός
theos
theh'-os
Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: - X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].

Now within this Vibration/Word/God/Divinity was a light, that shines within men but the darkness and world comprehends not. Because it comes from ABOVE the prison. Gah
Lets look at the word light.

G5457
φῶς
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From an obsoleteφάω phaō (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays; compare G5316 and G5346); luminousness (in the widest application, natural or artificial, abstract or concrete, literal or figurative): - fire, light.

So within vibration/word/god/divinity is a light, that shines or makes manifest men that the darkness and world comprehends not because it comes from above the prison (using your terminology) This world is like a copy or second creation of the outside one. See the alchemist poking his head out of the dome.

The rest of the verses I feel are self explanatory.

Look; I know you are not going to agree with my interpretation here.
And I am not saying it is the proper one.
I think that men; can be born from this eternal light; and will not be seen for what they truly are by those who are not born from this eternal light. I believe that Jesus was saying that the manifest beings of eternal light are a marvel; and that those who become a manifest being of eternal light through their henosis (allignment with divine will) are a marvel of marvel or in your terms.. become a perfect magnet for the spirit.

I don't really think that I have the same brainwashed views of God/christ than the average church goer?! have you ever had a sermon that was anything like what I am presenting here?

Anyways, I don't care to argue much about it but you could consider this "properly to “lay” forth, that is, (figuratively) relate (in words [usually of systematic or set discourse"

Take it or leave it; I am unbothered either way.
 

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It's okay; you can keep calling me brainwashed. The bible is not the only book I read.

I don't recall ever calling you brainwashed Jimmy. I simply suggested that your religious background/belief system tends to limit thinking as it tends to demand certain things must be taken as defacto truth, such as the existence of a "God" and so on.


I see commonalities between many different sources of information.. its like, anything in this world can give a message if you
are open to it.

I totally agree. Once my eyes were opened and I started searching, I found correlation of alchemical allegories in the Bible, the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, in Taoism, Rosicrucianism and elsewhere. One consistent message/secret embedded in all the major religious tomes. Wars have been waged by people incorrectly taking these works literally and not seeing/understanding the allegorical meanings and thus fighting each other to defend what they see as their literal definition of truth, their definition of God, Allah or other people like Jesus, Mohammed etc.


Something to think about; if the Word is the Light, and the light came into the world and the darkness comprehended it not,
it came and walked among them and they recognized it not.

The "word" was God, not light

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."


it continues:

"4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

So "Life" is the "light" not the "word"

Strong's Concordance (Greek) for "life" :

2227 zōopoiéō (from 2221 /zōgréō, "alive" and 4160 /poiéō, "make") – properly, make alive (zōos); i.e. "quicken," vivify ("animate"); (figuratively) cause what is dead (inoperative) to have life; empower with divine life.



Strong's Concordance (Hebrew) for "light":

Brown-Driver-Brigg

3 light of the heavenly luminaries; הַלְּבָנָה ׳א, "" הַחַמָּה ׳א moonlight & sunlight Isaiah 30:26; כּוֺכְבֵי אוֺר stars of light Psalm 148:3; מְאוֺרֵי אוֺר luminaries of light Ezekiel 32:8; אוֺרִים = מְאוֺרִים Psalm 136:7; so עֲלֵיאֿוֺר in sunshine Isaiah 18:4; the sun itself Job 31:26.


All the alchemy allegory is there imo. We have to quicken/vivify the substance in the flask. We need "light" to do this and that light comes from the moon and sun as depicted in just about every alchemy image.


Strong's Concordance (Greek) for "vibrate":

3823 pálē – properly, "a wrestling bout; hence, a struggle, a conflict" (Souter).

The KJV puts it thus in Ephesians 6:

" 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

So we are fighting the wicked rulers, the one's WITH the secret, with the power, who keep it for themselves, who keep the Goyim in ignorance. We can only fight them effectively if we too have the secret/power, i.e. the Stone and everything concerning it.

Jesus gave a VERY STARK warning to all which has been bastardised by the Church such that religious followers everywhere are clueless as to its meaning and are instead participating in a ridiculous sham. Here's what he said:

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed."


The "flesh" and "blood" here are obviously not literal. We are not to be cannibals and physically eat Jesus! Neither is that flesh and blood any kind of figurative bit of bread or white disc or silly wine. Hence the practice of general communion is a nonsense.

The flesh is the White Stone
The blood is the Red Stone

Jesus had both of these Stones and he taught his disciples how to make and use them whilst at the same time keeping this secret from everyone else (sadly!).

"He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them."

What a pity!

Another man with the Stone who kept it for himself and his personal society/cult following. With it he could perform seeming miracles. Just like you could if you went back in time armed with the knowledge of today's science. You too would be a "God" and could perform miracles like fire and electricity and healing.

People are free to believe what they wish. The religious doctrine is, by design, compulsive and compelling provided one does not exercise intuition, rational and critical thinking. With eyes to see however, the truth is (imo) obvious. Jesus and his "gang" had the Stone. Jesus's body was infused with the Stone when he was crucified. When he seemingly passed away his disciples went into the tomb and tended to him with the Stone. No magic, no hocus pocus. Just nature.

Occam's Razor.
 

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Everything contains life energy though so whatever we eat may give us some of that energy.
One of the most basic understandings of Alchemy is that NOT .... "Everything contains life energy".

If everything contained "life energy" then the Alchemists could use anything to accomplish the Great Work .... they can only use materials that are "Living".

The student Alchemist will need to start his work with Living Mineral / Metallic materials then over the years step up to Living plant materials and them to Living Animal materials as in working with his/her blood.
Where then does the theory of determined and undetermined life energy (quintessence) fit into this?
There is so much more to Quintessence than just "life energy".

"life energy" is only relative to our body that is living in this world ..... the Soul with the Spark of the Divine is immortal and transcends time and space.
What would happen if we simply had an abundance of undetermined life energy?
Yes .... "What would happen if we simply had an abundance of undetermined life energy?"

The Adept Alchemist needs to extract undetermined (Universal Quintessence) from the Three Realms .... starting with a low Frequency and gradually working up to very high frequencies of Universal Quintessence over many years.
For me, what the above passage is saying, is that it's a wondrous thing if you can take a body and make the spirit (SM, Quintessence etc) come into it.
If you want to make any advancement into Alchemy then you will need to know the difference between SM ("Pure" Spiritus Mundi) and Quintessence these two materials are far from being the same thing.

Ingesting one of them will kill you .... Ingesting the other one can open your understanding and more.
In other words it's saying how wondrous it is if you can construct a magnet into which SM flows.
Adept Alchemists have a very clear understanding that SM ("Pure" Spiritus Mundi) is the Great Alchemic Magnet.
 

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Just for your information pilgrim; I was not speaking about the SM used in alchemy or making any references to laboratory alchemy in the preceding posts. I did use the word "spirit" "spiritual rebirth" etc; but was referring to the nonphysical, invisible light and contrasting it to the "body" the physical manifestation. The light; as black mentioned is outside of time and space but can exist in the world of duality; but does not stay here. (Can't lock the absolute in the relative; it will return to its source.)
As I see it there is Light (quintessence) in us and it is "conscious" ... this is the part that
when we die transcends time and space.

We are of Light and shall return to it.

Even in the Laboratory this Quintessence is "conscious".

Spirit on it's own can have no consciousness ... it's only a Transport Vehicle for the Quintessence to accumulate more Light and Evolve.
This includes all the Spirits used in Alchemy.

Only Quintessence can Evolve ... Body and Spirit are part of the "Construct" that enables Life to exist in this Duality (Body and Spirit are of Matter not Light and hence Eternally locked in Time/Space).

Alchemy is The Great Experiment in Light, it is totally about the Collection, Concentration and the Multiplication of "Light".
It does get confusing with the terminology; that is why I wanted to clarify in the preceding posts I was not speaking of the carrier medium used in laboratory alchemy. Was referring to the non "time/space light" coming from outside. Christ was that light so to speak. The divine being manifest. If we believe the story.


Another post by black illustrates what I was trying to point out about Christ and his teachings;
Christ to me; symbolizes the Divine Alchemy ...... This Transcends Magic / Astrology / Time and Space. He reached henosis and accordingly operated according to divine will as the story goes. This is the bottom point in the following quote from Black.
Quintessence (Soul) a short story.

Of the emanation of light (from the Divine / the not seeable White Sun) to this world
of duality that then eventually condenses it through natural processes to become the
Quintessence (The Soul) of plants, Animals, and the Mineral / Metallic realm.

Into rain ... then into the earth that the plants draw the Quintessence out of the earth.
The animals then eat the plants and the Quintessence continues to pass to them.
Then the Quintessence passes on to us when we eat plants or animals.

This is the Quintessential Essence of Virtue / Life Force that flows through everything that
is Animated or has Life.

From Spagyrics to the Highest Alchemy the Quintessence (The Soul) is the same in all
of the Three (3) Realms, it is Condensed not seeable "Light".

The only thing that varies in this Quintessence is it's Signification which gives us the
variety of different plants and animals ... But the Quintessence is always the same
platform / foundation as it moves from one realm to another along it's path of Evolution.

This Quintessence (Specified) is what the Spagyrist seeks from the plant realm.

The Alchemist seeks for the Universal Quintessence ... the Un-Specified Quintessence.

With this there are many possibilities that he/she can choose as with the Philosophers Stone, Multiplication, Augmentation, Transmutation, etc, etc to work wonders as does Nature.

This list shows a possible advancement of an Alchemist in pursuit of the highest level of
this Divine Gift Quintessence (Soul).

Spagyrics
Spagyrics .... plus Magic and Astrology

High Spagyrics
High Spagyrics .... plus Magic and Astrology

Alchemy
Alchemy .... plus Magic and Astrology

Adept Alchemy
Adept Alchemy .... plus Magic and Astrology

Divine Alchemy ...... This Transcends Magic / Astrology / Time and Space
I also find this encouraging that one can begin with spagyrics and work their way from there; it (the practice) can start in a tangible; not "woo-woo" manner.

Below is another interesting post. IMO
Artephius

About the period of the first Crusades alchemy shifted its centre to Spain, to which country it had been introduced by the Moors.

In the twelfth century Artephius wrote 'The Art of Prolonging Human Life,' .....
and is reported to have lived throughout a period of One Thousand Years.

He himself affirms this:

'I, Artephius, having learnt all the art in the book of Hermes, was once as others, envious, but having now lived One Thousand Years or thereabouts (which thousand years have already passed over me since my nativity, by the grace of God alone, and the use of this admirable Quintessence), as I have seen, through this long space of time, that men have been unable to perfect the same magistery on account of the obscurity of the words of the philosophers.

Moved by pity and good conscience, I have resolved, in these my last days, to publish in all sincerity and truly, so that men may have nothing more to desire concerning this work.

I except one thing only, which is not lawful that I should write, because it can be revealed truly only by God, or by a master.

Nevertheless, this likewise may be learned from this book, provided one be not stiff-necked and have a little experience.'

Do any members think that this Great Master of the Art could still be with us today ?
Why not? I am sure he goes by different names though depending on the circumstances or may prefer not to be in the wider field of human perception. If God wills it; I have no problem with it. :)
 

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I feel it is a good idea if we revisit the BASICS

If there is no understanding of the Basics in Spagyrics there can be no moving forward
to Alchemy.


SPAGYRICS 101

BODY, SOUL, and SPIRIT


1. We ferment the plant and remove the Spirit, this is Alcohol/Ethanol ...

2. Then we use this Spirit (Alcohol) to extract the Soul/Oil (Quintessence) from
fresh plant.

The Alcohol can then be gently flown off and we are left with a Quintessence ...
This Quintessence is the Purest Part of a plant, mineral, etc.

This Quintessence /Soul/Oil has the Code of that SPECIFIC Plant or Mineral, etc ...
I will repeat this again "SPECIFIC"

The Specification is the Signature of the Healing Ability of that Plant. ...

This is the reason why different plants can assist in healing of different diseases.



Now it's time to have a look at SPIRIT/Alcohol/Ethanol.

It has no healing abilities per se ... Yes it can Intoxicate and dumb you down ... been there done that.

But it can be utilized in spagyrics to facilitate a few processes ... the most wonderful thing about SPIRIT/Alcohol/Ethanol is that it is a Transport Vehicle.

It can Transport the Quintessence out of the plant and is an excellent Transport
Vehicle to get the Quintessence into our body as in tincture or a glass of wine, etc.

Steps 1 and 2 are of most importance to having a Spagyric/Alchemic Foundation.

On an Alchemy Forum I would expect the majority of members to have this Very Basic comprehension of the work.

Without an understanding of this foundation level of spagyrics it is impossible to move forward with any type of rewarding laboratory work.

Spirit is Volatile but our Quintessence is Fixed and does not flee from the fire.

Spirit/Alcohol in Basic Spagyrics is reasonably harmless in small doses, conversely the Spirit/SM/Mercury/Secret Solvent/etc ........ is a MOST DEADLY POISON.

The theory in the work of Spagyrics is the same theory we continue with in Alchemy.

TBC ..... :)
This foundation level of spagyrics seems like a good starting point for laboratory practice and can give some medicinal value..
If the theory in the work of Spagyrics is the same theory we continue with in Alchemy it seems like a good (and safer) place to start..
I can see the value in learning laboratory safety and perhaps practicing theurgy/prayer with spagryic work before moving onto more dangerous works.
 

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SM a slightly expanded view.

It is clear and understandable that the majority of the students of Alchemy struggle to comprehend even the very basic theory and practice of this Divine Work.

Only those that have collected Our Secret Solvent (Our Mercury, Alkahest, Universal Spirit, SM, etc, etc) and have Worked the Basic Primary Alchemic Process can begin to have a clearer Understanding of Alchemic Theory and Practice.

It is quite obvious from the numerous confused posts and animosity on this forum about SM that some Light needs to be shone on this subject.

I will now expand on this subject of Spiritus Mundi in the hope of bringing some clarity to those students that feel somewhat lost in this most elusive part of the Great Work that enables the Entrance into Alchemy.

There is a Basic Primary Alchemic Process where the Volatile is Fixed and the Fixed is made Volatile .... this is what is mostly written about in the books by the Adept Alchemists.

Our Mercury with Our gold = the Basic Primary Alchemic Process

Our Agent with Our Patient = the Basic Primary Alchemic Process

Our Two Great Champions = the Basic Primary Alchemic Process

Our King with Our Queen = the Basic Primary Alchemic Process

Our Dragon with Our Serpent = the Basic Primary Alchemic Process

Green Lion mentions "Pure" Spiritus Mundi .... HERE (and in other places) and I would suggest that all the students of Alchemy read this entire thread.

There is a reason that "Pure" Spiritus Mundi is mentioned because the distinction of "Pure" sets it apart from so many other forms of SM (Spiritus Mundi).

There is not just one type of SM (Spiritus Mundi) ....... there are many different forms of SM (Spiritus Mundi) that Work very specific tasks in Alchemy.

Those that do not Understand the very fine differences of SM will be totally lost.

For the Entry into Alchemy the student is required to start with the Basic Primary Alchemic Process.

"Pure" Spiritus Mundi is the very specific form of SM (Spiritus Mundi) that will unlock the Entrance into Alchemy.

Any SM (Spiritus Mundi) that is not the "Pure" Spiritus Mundi will not do what is required to bring about a correct Basic Primary Alchemic Process.

Once the student has Entered into Alchemy then he/she will then be able to expand into various Alchemic Processes with the other forms of SM (Spiritus Mundi).
 

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Hi Pilgrim

Posting this here so not to derail any threads.

Pilgrim said:

Ah lols. So all this time you've talked about your "Alchemy Teacher" and "Alchemy Mentor" you have in fact just been talking about what you consider to be God !!! This answers a lot.
I'm not surprised that you choose not to use the term "God" but it's quite disingenuous all the same imho.

Perhaps you'd have the sincerity to just label your teacher as "God" from now on rather than make it look like you're in contact with a human or advanced human alchemist teacher. Of course doing so would make you sound like a religious nutjob to some but each to their own I guess.

I would be most happy to refer to my Alchemy Teacher as the Divine Light, Our Creator, the All Knowing, the Alpha and Omega, etc, etc .... BUT ...... Some years back I started out talking about communicating with Our Creator, the Divine Light, the All Knowing, the Alpha and Omega, etc, etc .... But Andro objected to that as his reasoning was that no human can communicate with the "Creator of All" .... though billions of people communicate with Our Creator every day and mankind has done so for thousands upon thousands of years.

Every Adept Alchemist of the past or present would not agree with Andro's belief system as they know that only through a Spiritual Communication with the Divine Light (Our Creator, the All Knowing) can anyone Enter into Alchemy.

Those that do have a spiritual communication
with Divine Light, Our Creator, the All Knowing may have a chance to be an Adept Alchemist.

Those that choose to not to have a Spiritual Communication with the Divine Light (Our Creator) will never be Entered into Alchemy

Andro seemed reasonably content if I used the term Alchemy Teacher so I continued with that and occasionally following that term with (Our Creator, Mentor, etc).

I do hope this helps to clarify my position on this forum .... don't rock the boat or else you could find yourself in deep water.
 

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You're twisting my words (again) to support your own agenda and narrative, as well as to paint yourself as some sort of victim. Enough with all this condescending grandstanding BS and unsubstantiated allegations.

The only reason you got temporarily banned was for serial grandstanding and incessant thread hijacking. My own personal views about who you may or may not be communicating with are completely irrelevant to this. Might as well be Casper the Friendly Ghost, for all I care.

It is your personal belief that the so-called "All Knowing Alpha & Omega Creator of Everything" teaches you alchemy, teaches Mrs Black other stuff and somehow also found the time to take you for a roulette spin but for some reason is not a big fan of blackjack. It's all good. You are entitled to your own beliefs.

But if you intend to go back to systemically hijacking threads and serially "correcting" everyone, then we have a problem, and it has nothing to do with me or my personal views.
 

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@Pilgrim

Black has been often and repeatedly explicit over the past few years about his belief that his "alchemy teacher" is none other than the "creator of all there is", etc. So in this particular regard, he has not been disingenuous. He has been in fact open about his own particular belief system and did not attempt to conceal his beliefs. Quite the opposite.
 

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@Pilgrim

Black has been often and repeatedly explicit over the past few years about his belief that his "alchemy teacher" is none other than the "creator of all there is", etc. So in this particular regard, he has not been disingenuous. He has been in fact open about his own particular belief system and did not attempt to conceal his beliefs. Quite the opposite.

This post feels very positive .... as with a brotherly member of this forum offering assistance.

Thank you for this post Andro .... it is greatly appreciated.
 

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You guys are hilarious. Billions of years of evolution and this is where we are. I love it. Will your mentor do my Tarot reading Mr Black? The guy hasn't been answering my phone calls lately. Could you get through to him and tell him to drop by?
 

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You guys are hilarious. Billions of years of evolution and this is where we are. I love it. Will your mentor do my Tarot reading Mr Black? The guy hasn't been answering my phone calls lately. Could you get through to him and tell him to drop by?
Trust me you don't want that thing to drop by.