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Pilgrim

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It is clear that what you believe to be Alchemy and what I know to be Alchemy are two very different things.

IF you gain some understanding of Alchemy then we might continue to have a conversation .... but up to that point you are wasting your time and my time.

All of your theories and assumptions mean nothing till you put them to the Test in the laboratory.

Alchemy is a Divine Natural Science that requires indefatigable hands on work in the lab.

If you want to become a great Adept Alchemist and save the world then don't waste the precious time you have left with idle chit chat .... the clock is ticking.

The only thing that is clear here is that you are refusing to answer extremely simple questions about what you have (or rather have not) achieved in your alchemy work. And that's hugely disappointing to me and likely for many other readers here.

Would an aspiring footballer seek tuition from a coach who had never scored a goal or been in a World Cup final?

Would an aspiring golfer seek tuition from a coach who had never broken par on a golf course?

Would an aspiring alchemist seek tuition from someone who had not themselves produced any form of useful medicine and who instead steered sick people towards Pharma drugs?

Matthew 7

"Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? . . .

Therefore by their fruits you will know them."
 

Andro

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Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit.
 

Jimmy Rig

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Andro,
Your statement "The burden of proof lies with the one who speaks" is this directed at Pilgrim or Black?

I don't think anybody on the forum has "proved" publicly that they have the stone.

The only thing that is clear here is that you are refusing to answer extremely simple questions about what you have (or rather have not) achieved in your alchemy work. And that's hugely disappointing to me and likely for many other readers here.

Would an aspiring footballer seek tuition from a coach who had never scored a goal or been in a World Cup final?

Would an aspiring golfer seek tuition from a coach who had never broken par on a golf course?

Would an aspiring alchemist seek tuition from someone who had not themselves produced any form of useful medicine and who instead steered sick people towards Pharma drugs?

Matthew 7

"Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? . . .

Therefore by their fruits you will know them."
I realize there are enough here who do not agree with Black's tones, assertions about what is and is not alchemy etc.
He is not required to prove anything here regardless and neither are you. The questions that you posed were more of a trap laid IMO..
You are out of step. You failed to answer the previous questions I put to you.

1 - "Do you not personally have any good medicine to give Alfr? Yes/No
Black recommended Fenbendazole which based on the research available is shown to be potentially helpful. You take issue with it being a pharmaceutical product.. doesn't change the possibility that it may help?
2 - Are you essentially informing/confessing to the forum here that you are not skilled or advanced enough in your own "entrance to alchemy" to be of any use to a sick/diseased fellow human being?" Yes/No?
Well he never claimed to be a healer and perhaps even if he is capable maybe the shoe doesn't fit the foot. i.e. the alchemic products are not meant for everyone (and black explained this from his perspective.. potential harm to the soul). Needs to be assessed on an individual basis.
3- Is there not in this world any kind of wonderful medicine that can heal a person from any disease or illness but which does not require one to "enter into alchemy"? - Yes/No
I have never heard of one other than the philosophers stone/ elixir of life which requires one to be an alchemist OR be fortunate enough to know one and be in an appropriate standing to be given some medicine as a gift. Gene therapys, stem cell therapys, chemical drugs natural concentrates ETC can fit the bill for specific ailments. There are treatments available outside of alchemy which black and others steered alfr towards and might I add appropriately so.
4 - Do you think that alfr needs to be steered down the one singular avenue of "entering into alchemy" or that really what he needs is good medicine to save his wife?


Your past comments simply skipped over these questions.
Alfr received many suggestions on how to help his wife from several members including Black. You seem jaded that he didn't give up his method of conferring alchemic products recipe style or send a packet to ALFR straight away. You don't even know what an alchemic medicine or philosophers stone is so how can you judge Black's judgement? If you want to get an idea of what black is doing in his lab, read his many many posts here as Andro has suggested before.

I am pretty sure if there are any bona-fide alchemists amongst us who had the stone or knowledge of alchemy sufficient to cure cancer would then be in the situation of weighing the matter of when to use it. I do not believe it should be handled carelessly like some mundane medicine as we are talking about something beyond regular preparations here. Is it even possible or appropriate to send some alchemic medicine from Australia to Italy? You also do not know what individuals are doing in the real world off of alchemy forums but we all make our assumptions in this regard.
 

Andro

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Andro,

Your statement "The burden of proof lies with the one who speaks" is this directed at Pilgrim or Black?
'The burden of proof lies with the one who makes the claim' is a legal maxim that basically applies to everyone who makes claims.

If (for example) 'black' would (hypothetically) make claims that Alchemy is "only this" and "not that", he would have to supply and make available the relevant substantial evidence. Otherwise, it remains an opinion. If 'Pilgrim' would (hypothetically) make a claim that alchemy can/must be used for "this and that", he would also have to supply the evidence for such. This goes for everyone who makes claims. Acting in an entitled manner from anywhere on the continuum of personal experience is never a good idea IMO.

Especially on a topic such as alchemy, it is wiser IMO not to make claims, but instead to ask and/or to humbly share and present one's findings as one possible angle/approach/perspective among others. No one has an objectively demonstrable monopoly on how or what or why things exclusively are, so asserting one's opinions as 'facts' is indeed very problematic.

A better way would be to offer our findings as 'models' and to add that such findings are in no shape or form to be regarded as 'the truth'. A much healthier and especially much wiser approach, IMO. We ought to ideally abstain from making claims that we either can't or won't provide substantial evidence for.
 

alfr

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Alfr received many suggestions on how to help his wife from several members including Black. You seem jaded that he didn't give up his method of conferring alchemic products recipe style or send a packet to ALFR straight away. You don't even know what an alchemic medicine or philosophers stone is so how can you judge Black's judgement? If you want to get an idea of what black is doing in his lab, read his many many posts here as Andro has suggested before.

I am pretty sure if there are any bona-fide alchemists amongst us who had the stone or knowledge of alchemy sufficient to cure cancer would then be in the situation of weighing the matter of when to use it. I do not believe it should be handled carelessly like some mundane medicine as we are talking about something beyond regular preparations here. Is it even possible or appropriate to send some alchemic medicine from Australia to Italy? You also do not know what individuals are doing in the real world off of alchemy forums but we all make our assumptions in this regard.
Hi What about who I am ?.
send some alchemic medicine from Australia to Italy? You also do not know what individuals are doing in the real world off of alchemy forums but we all make our assumptions in this regard.
I here and elsewhere in the alchemical field and rev. I have always played cards very open and in the forum since 2010 I have participated honestly and openly and I have always expressed myself very clearly as Alfr and also as one of the founders and executive director of the Agape Prometheus edition and also founder and executive director of the alchemical and pressure group social group Agape Prometeo for which here in the forum since 2010 I have always participated with the utmost honesty and transparency
And to see what the Agape Prometeo group and the publishing house of the same name are, of which in both cases I am a founder and executive manager, and so is very simply verification who is us and the our history it's so simple ia enough put in GOOGLE and Intermet the word Agape Prometeo Edizioni or Group Agape Prometeo (in italian put Gruppo Agape Promteo and Edizomi Agape Prometeo)

and so it will be seen well and verified well
that we are a group of researchers and practitioners of laboratory alchemy etc and we also investigate the initiatory ways of the major and minor mysteries. And like the Agape Prometheus editions we have published and translated from original manuscripts from ancient German 1700m complete texts of the Golden RC and RC Asian brothers including translated for the first time internationally the complete manuscript Thesaro Thesaurorin the Divine Arcana alchemy text solar always from the RCs and recently (together with French friends) the laboratory operating diaries of Dr. Emerit DIARIES ranging from 1937 to 194 8 (diaries which I have also posted here) containing the instructions of the dry route lineage of Henry Coton Alvart Pierre Dujol Fulcanelli etc and together with alchemical research and practice

However, WE are also a group and a movement that fights in society with all the means that are deemed necessary for liberation from the dictatorship of the NWO/SIM and therefore in the social sector we are a group and movement of harsh revolutionary social pressure against the NWO/SIM system and we (like it or not, it doesn't matter to us) are not and are not pacifists and non-violent but we believe that the insurrection is the rebellion and subversion of the system and the attack deployed on the structures and centers of territorial control etc of the NWO / SIM must be taken everywhere with first harsh anti-system propaganda and then with the appropriate forms of struggle and conflict that the reality of the ongoing conflict will require

So who am I now, as I have always said with maximum transparency, I am one of the founders and executive managers of the association for alchemical research and practice and that bringing together many researchers of the truth of ancient initiatory mysteries etc. association called agape prometheus
And I am also one of the founders and executive managers of the Agape Prometheus movement group, response and attack movement group in various contexts of struggle against the NWO / SIM and its various servants and enslaved

BUT therefore rightly to be honest and to know whether or not to trust who I am if you really want to help me and for anyone who really wants to help me save my beloved companion
and if you have elixir etc or I invite you who really wants to help me to come here to Italy (obviously the cost of the flight at our expense) and to be a guest at our house, take a flight at our expense and so therefore anyone seriously interested in helping us will be able to get to know us well and verify who we are
And who we are, our transparency, clarity and honesty is this

and so anyone who even who we are will be able to see it and see for yourself we are clear and transparent and anyone who knows us can see it for themselves and anyone who really has the ability to help us will be our guest as a friend and brother here with us
so for contact us PM here in the forum or use our EMAIL dedicaded cal_alfr@yahoo.it

but if you can really help us come and get to know us and then you will decide and see our total transparency and sincerity and honesty and clarity of our life choices
but to those who can help us but out of vulgar selfishness and for a vision that, as I have said many times, I do not share in the slightest about alchemy and see in this regard the previous post on the essential discrimination for us for people's health and the aims and purposes of alchemy which according to the our research had real RCs and their total self-sacrifice to the high and luminous values of helping the sick and the suffering which were the values of various RC realities of which a shining example is the text to which I always refer at the book astral dust with the priceless preface of the RC fr Damerion book in which pro salute populis the RCs disseminate the instruction of their medicine made with the substance of the astral dust of the stars moon sun.

And they do this as an RC task to help the sick and suffering in humanity and soothe and cure with this instruction of the astral dust by them the RCs DISCLOSED for heal and cure the evils that afflict humanity and the why and the purposes of the RCs why they decide to disclose this are inestimably explained in the magnificent preface of fr RC Damerion
therefore it is on these bases that we recognize ourselves in the alchemy and in the true high RC values which were incontrovertibly pro people's health

but instead those who are like this and are refractory to these high values and are addicted to alchemical selfishness and or are addicted to visions that in our opinion are profoundly deviated from the true path
pro populi who were true RCs
let's just say that the light above exists and that if you tell me and chatter and pontificate it the universal light above in the empyrean exists and that very soon this light will harshly judge the selfishness and the not high RC and non-alchemical values of certain imbued individuals of selfishness and certainly to all these individuals imbued with selfishness and indifference to human suffering and very very soon the universal light will present them with a very high bill

And then these selfish individuals will cry and despair in front of the universal light and the hell that they have created for themselves due to their foolish and selfish choices and they will beg for mercy, precisely that mercy that they lacked but the universal light, that mercy and help that they denied to others the sick and the suffering will also deny them the universal light and this will be more than just and this will be the just justice of the universal light that will dissolve them into nothingness
because in them, not with their erroneous selfish action etc. on the path of knowledge, the spark of immortal light of the RCs has dissolved and now only nothingness dwells in them because as we say whoever sows veto will rightly reap only storm and destruction...

And we will then with extreme pleasure, if informed of this, enjoy the show with extreme gusto...to see them dissolved them with extreme suffering into nothingness .... DISSOLVED with extreme suffering IN THE SAME NOTHINGNESS THAT CHARACTERIZED THEM IN THEIR LIFE......

my best regard Alfr
 
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Pilgrim

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I realize there are enough here who do not agree with Black's tones, assertions about what is and is not alchemy etc.
He is not required to prove anything here regardless and neither are you. The questions that you posed were more of a trap laid IMO..
No trap, just very very simple questions. If someone has worked the alchemical processes for years then it's not unreasonable to expect that person has managed to produce some form of useful medicine in that time even if only at the Spagyric level. Certainly one could reasonably expect this from anyone claiming to be any kind of authority on alchemy. In all life matters that involve teachers and guides it behoves one to choose carefully who they learn from and take advice from. I learned the art of artisan bread making from a long standing baker who had worked in numerous countries and in many highly respected bakeries. More to the point, his actual bread was delicious and high quality and he was a very good teacher, i.e. he not only had baking skills but he also had the vital teaching/coaching skills which are a completely separate set of abilities that many knowledegable people lack.

I simply asked Black if he'd managed to produce any kind of useful medicine in all his years working the alchemy processes. It's not a trap. It's a simple and reasonable question to help determine whether I personally think it's worth expending effort with him.


Black recommended Fenbendazole which based on the research available is shown to be potentially helpful. You take issue with it being a pharmaceutical product.. doesn't change the possibility that it may help?

Pharma is Pharma. It will never change. All I take issue with is someone professing to be an authority on alchemy but who hasn't produced any useful medicine from it. Medicine is of course only one aspect, only one possible goal, some might prefer to focus on generating huge wealth from it, others spiritual transformation. Right now, my focus is on the healing aspects and longevity. So I need to determine who has gone down this route and achieved something useful.


Well he never claimed to be a healer and perhaps even if he is capable maybe the shoe doesn't fit the foot. i.e. the alchemic products are not meant for everyone (and black explained this from his perspective.. potential harm to the soul). Needs to be assessed on an individual basis.

Can you cite any alchemic text that suggests that the Stone is not massively useful for healing or that the Stone (or any sub-product) only works for certain people? I can't think of one TBH. There are texts that state that certain people will not find the Stone because it's divinely given etc but I've seen no texts that suggest that the Stone only works for certain people. I think you've bought into a concept there without any proof or foundational backing but by all means correct me if you have something (other than of course another forum poster's opinions).

I have never heard of one other than the philosophers stone/ elixir of life which requires one to be an alchemist OR be fortunate enough to know one and be in an appropriate standing to be given some medicine as a gift.

Glad you pointed out the fact that the Stone CAN be given as a gift. One does not need to be an alchemist to have it. It CAN be given and of course history recounts it has been given by numerous people many times such as Jesus to his disciples and so on. Is it right that someone with the Stone should keep such a beneficial thing solely for themselves and not give it to others? I don't think it is. I think that's rather wicked.

Says Albertus Magnus:

"I will not hide a science which was revealed to me by the grace of God; I will not jealously guard it for myself alone, for fear of drawing His curse. A science kept secret, a hidden treasure, what is its use? The science I have learned without invention, I transmit to you without regret. Envy disrupts everything, an envious man cannot be just before God. All science, all knowledge comes from God; it is a simple way of speaking to indicate that it comes from the Holy Spirit. No one can say: Our Lord Jesus Christ without also understanding: Son of God the Father, through the operation of the Holy Spirit. In the same way, this science of truth cannot be separated from Him who communicated it to me." - Compound Of Compounds



Alfr received many suggestions on how to help his wife from several members including Black. You seem jaded that he didn't give up his method of conferring alchemic products recipe style or send a packet to ALFR straight away.

No not jaded at all. Simple rather disappointed that someone who presents himself as an authority on alchemy and who often berates others, telling them they are mistaken in their views, opinions and/or works, is unable to offer any good medicine produced by his years of alchemy study. It is what it is. As I said, I wouldn't personally accept golf tuition from someone who had never broken par on a golf course. I would not follow someone who could talk all about golf and the technicalities of the golf swing and the strategy for the long game, short game and green putting. I would seek tuition from someone who actually CAN play good golf, who actually HAS shown they can play to scratch level. As I quoted in my post "By their fruits you will know them".


You don't even know what an alchemic medicine or philosophers stone is

Oh come come Jimmy. We know what the texts tell us it is and what it will do and it is those texts that we all read and seek to follow is it not?

"You are foolish and ignorant, if you do not know that this precious thing which you seek is, to the created mind, the greatest mystery of Nature, and that it is compounded by heavenly influences — and thus has power to heal and deliver men from all diseases" -
The Remonstrance of Nature, Jean de Meung

As Morienus says: “He who has this has all things, and wants no other aid. For in it are all temporal happiness, bodily health, and
earthly fortune. It is the spirit of the fifth substance, a Fount of all Joys (beneath the rays of the moon), the Supporter of Heaven and Earth, the Mover of Sea and Wind, the Outpourer of Rain, upholding the strength of all things, an excellent spirit above Heavenly and other spirits, giving Health, Joy, Peace, Love; driving away Hatred and Sorrow, bringing in Joy, expelling all Evil, quickly healing all Diseases, destroying Poverty and Misery, leading to all good things, giving man his heart’s desire, bringing to the pious earthly honour and long life, but to the wicked who misuse it, Eternal Punishment" -
A Golden and Blessed Casket of Nature’s Marvels, Benedictus Figulus

and so on . .


so how can you judge Black's judgement? If you want to get an idea of what black is doing in his lab, read his many many posts here as Andro has suggested before.

If you were to follow what every poster on the forum is doing or has done in their lab and lifetime you'd be lost in an endless labyrinth of experimentation and failure. Hence one must sift the wheat from the chaff. One must decipher who has real truth and who has learned "alchemy speak", who has achieved tangible results and who can only talk about tangible results. I read everything here with interest but I will follow no golfer who can't make par on a golf course.


I am pretty sure if there are any bona-fide alchemists amongst us who had the stone or knowledge of alchemy sufficient to cure cancer would then be in the situation of weighing the matter of when to use it. I do not believe it should be handled carelessly like some mundane medicine as we are talking about something beyond regular preparations here.

Any alchemist alive who has achieved the Stone will have learned how to use it. What dosage etc over what period. They will very likely have also determined various ways to prepare and apply it. For example as drops of liquid in a cup of tea, as a powder, as an oil and so on. Remember, the alchemist really does nothing. It is Nature that does the work. The alchemist has merely provided perfect conditions for Nature to produce the Stone and anything the Stone itself does, is equally done by Nature, not by the alchemist The alchemist doesn't heal anyone. Nature/the Stone does the healing.

Is it even possible or appropriate to send some alchemic medicine from Australia to Italy? You also do not know what individuals are doing in the real world off of alchemy forums but we all make our assumptions in this regard.

I make the assumption that once a person has achieved the Stone or even perhaps a lesser medicine along the way, that they would come into contact with other alchemists all over the world. Black talked about a Brotherhood of Alchemists There are Brotherhoods all over the world such as Freemasonry, Rosicruscians and so on. If these Brotherhoods are worth their salt then they would have ways of communicating with each other across continents. It's really not beyond the wit of man to get some medicine to Alfr's wife.
 

Jimmy Rig

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'The burden of proof lies with the one who makes the claim' is a legal maxim that basically applies to everyone who makes claims.

If (for example) 'black' would (hypothetically) make claims that Alchemy is "only this" and "not that", he would have to supply and make available the relevant substantial evidence. Otherwise, it remains an opinion. If 'Pilgrim' would (hypothetically) make a claim that alchemy can/must be used for "this and that", he would also have to supply the evidence for such. This goes for everyone who makes claims. Acting in an entitled manner from anywhere on the continuum of personal experience is never a good idea IMO.

Especially on a topic such as alchemy, it is wiser IMO not to make claims, but instead to ask and/or to humbly share and present one's findings as one possible angle/approach/perspective among others. No one has an objectively demonstrable monopoly on how or what or why things exclusively are, so asserting one's opinions as 'facts' is indeed very problematic.

A better way would be to offer our findings as 'models' and to add that such findings are in no shape or form to be regarded as 'the truth'. A much healthier and especially much wiser approach, IMO. We ought to ideally abstain from making claims that we either can't or won't provide substantial evidence for.
I think I generally agree with you here. There are some proposed models I like more than others but ultimately they remain unproven here on the forums which I also think is a good thing as it allows people to come to their own conclusions.

This saying can be applied to many situations here on the forums. Many do/have/will make statements that go unproven because of several factors either unavailability of shareable evidence, inability to share the evidence or unwillingness to share to evidence and there are also likely other factors also. I think the forums overall would be a little more productive if we did not focus so much on what others didn't say or prove and focus rather on what they did say or share. Pretty much everyone here has given me something of benefit in one of their posts at one point, another or many points.

I also think that if you know or strongly believe that you have the key in alchemy or otherwise it is not wrong for you to try to engage others and provide guidance to them on their journeys however doing so puts you in a position that others will expect for more and more to be revealed until your point/model/guidance is proven which when it comes to alchemy cannot be done openly on the forums. IMO
That is where a careful reading between the lines comes in handy IMO.

Anyways thanks for the response, I find it very reasonable.
 

Jimmy Rig

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Hi What about who I am ?.

I here and elsewhere in the alchemical field and rev. I have always played cards very open and in the forum since 2010 I have participated honestly and openly and I have always expressed myself very clearly as Alfr and also as one of the founders and executive director of the Agape Prometheus edition and also founder and executive director of the alchemical and pressure group social group Agape Prometeo for which here in the forum since 2010 I have always participated with the utmost honesty and transparency
And to see what the Agape Prometeo group and the publishing house of the same name are, of which in both cases I am a founder and executive manager, and so is very simply verification who is us and the our history it's so simple ia enough put in GOOGLE and Intermet the word Agape Prometeo Edizioni or Group Agape Prometeo (in italian put Gruppo Agape Promteo and Edizomi Agape Prometeo)

and so it will be seen well and verified well
that we are a group of researchers and practitioners of laboratory alchemy etc and we also investigate the initiatory ways of the major and minor mysteries. And like the Agape Prometheus editions we have published and translated from original manuscripts from ancient German 1700m complete texts of the Golden RC and RC Asian brothers including translated for the first time internationally the complete manuscript Thesaro Thesaurorin the Divine Arcana alchemy text solar always from the RCs and recently (together with French friends) the laboratory operating diaries of Dr. Emerit DIARIES ranging from 1937 to 194 8 (diaries which I have also posted here) containing the instructions of the dry route lineage of Henry Coton Alvart Pierre Dujol Fulcanelli etc and together with alchemical research and practice

However, WE are also a group and a movement that fights in society with all the means that are deemed necessary for liberation from the dictatorship of the NWO/SIM and therefore in the social sector we are a group and movement of harsh revolutionary social pressure against the NWO/SIM system and we (like it or not, it doesn't matter to us) are not and are not pacifists and non-violent but we believe that the insurrection is the rebellion and subversion of the system and the attack deployed on the structures and centers of territorial control etc of the NWO / SIM must be taken everywhere with first harsh anti-system propaganda and then with the appropriate forms of struggle and conflict that the reality of the ongoing conflict will require

So who am I now, as I have always said with maximum transparency, I am one of the founders and executive managers of the association for alchemical research and practice and that bringing together many researchers of the truth of ancient initiatory mysteries etc. association called agape prometheus
And I am also one of the founders and executive managers of the Agape Prometheus movement group, response and attack movement group in various contexts of struggle against the NWO / SIM and its various servants and enslaved

BUT therefore rightly to be honest and to know whether or not to trust who I am if you really want to help me and for anyone who really wants to help me save my beloved companion
and if you have elixir etc or I invite you who really wants to help me to come here to Italy (obviously the cost of the flight at our expense) and to be a guest at our house, take a flight at our expense and so therefore anyone seriously interested in helping us will be able to get to know us well and verify who we are
And who we are, our transparency, clarity and honesty is this

and so anyone who even who we are will be able to see it and see for yourself we are clear and transparent and anyone who knows us can see it for themselves and anyone who really has the ability to help us will be our guest as a friend and brother here with us
so for contact us PM here in the forum or use our EMAIL dedicaded cal_alfr@yahoo.it

but if you can really help us come and get to know us and then you will decide and see our total transparency and sincerity and honesty and clarity of our life choices
but to those who can help us but out of vulgar selfishness and for a vision that, as I have said many times, I do not share in the slightest about alchemy and see in this regard the previous post on the essential discrimination for us for people's health and the aims and purposes of alchemy which according to the our research had real RCs and their total self-sacrifice to the high and luminous values of helping the sick and the suffering which were the values of various RC realities of which a shining example is the text to which I always refer at the book astral dust with the priceless preface of the RC fr Damerion book in which pro salute populis the RCs disseminate the instruction of their medicine made with the substance of the astral dust of the stars moon sun.

And they do this as an RC task to help the sick and suffering in humanity and soothe and cure with this instruction of the astral dust by them the RCs DISCLOSED for heal and cure the evils that afflict humanity and the why and the purposes of the RCs why they decide to disclose this are inestimably explained in the magnificent preface of fr RC Damerion
therefore it is on these bases that we recognize ourselves in the alchemy and in the true high RC values which were incontrovertibly pro people's health

but instead those who are like this and are refractory to these high values and are addicted to alchemical selfishness and or are addicted to visions that in our opinion are profoundly deviated from the true path
pro populi who were true RCs
let's just say that the light above exists and that if you tell me and chatter and pontificate it the universal light above in the empyrean exists and that very soon this light will harshly judge the selfishness and the not high RC and non-alchemical values of certain imbued individuals of selfishness and certainly to all these individuals imbued with selfishness and indifference to human suffering and very very soon the universal light will present them with a very high bill

And then these selfish individuals will cry and despair in front of the universal light and the hell that they have created for themselves due to their foolish and selfish choices and they will beg for mercy, precisely that mercy that they lacked but the universal light, that mercy and help that they denied to others the sick and the suffering will also deny them the universal light and this will be more than just and this will be the just justice of the universal light that will dissolve them into nothingness
because in them, not with their erroneous selfish action etc. on the path of knowledge, the spark of immortal light of the RCs has dissolved and now only nothingness dwells in them because as we say whoever sows veto will rightly reap only storm and destruction...

And we will then with extreme pleasure, if informed of this, enjoy the show with extreme gusto...to see them dissolved them with extreme suffering into nothingness .... DISSOLVED with extreme suffering IN THE SAME NOTHINGNESS THAT CHARACTERIZED THEM IN THEIR LIFE......

my best regard Alfr
Sorry Alfr,
I am having a hard time following your post and have limited time to respond currently. I just want to say that I do hope your wife recovers and if I had a cure-all that was appropriate to give I would do so. (I don't) Don't assume people are being selfish..
 

alfr

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Sorry Alfr,
I am having a hard time following your post and have limited time to respond currently. I just want to say that I do hope your wife recovers and if I had a cure-all that was appropriate to give I would do so. (I don't) Don't assume people are being selfish..
Hi friend Jmmy Rig VERY THANK YOU ❤️
the post was certainly not referred to you but to those of alchemy r everyone in his conscience and only with himself looking in the mirror knows who he is and to whom it is referred this is referred to those who have a narrow-minded and incorrect vision of alchemy and to our notice despicably selfish and deviant
despicable narrow-minded and deviant egoistic vision and for me it is totally contrary and in contrast and opposite as I said and reiterated to the high RC values and values pro salute populis (and again on this see and I always refer to the RC book entitled poor astral with the magnificent preface by RC fr Damerion in which it is well explained why this alchemical instruction on the manufacture of the astral powder with air sun moon or the creation and collection of the mythical nostoc was spread pro salute populis) here
In opposition and on the contrary for us these narrow-minded and deviant selfish individuals who for us of alchemy and its high pro salute populis values of the RCs etc have understood nothing at all but and for this very soon they will pay a very heavy bill in the light universal that is immanently about to manifest itself as it has always been indicated in true initiatory societies
BUT in all this and observing the selfishness and narrow-mindedness on many despicable subjects they have and that with the spirit of alchemy for pro salute populis of the true RCs they have nothing but instead on the contrary these gentlemen only bring dishonor and discredit to the high alchemical values pro salite populis of the true RCs and of many alchemists
but in the face of this narrow-mindedness and selfishness and miserable egoic squalor one thing does to us that makes all us very happy:


as we have already said but we reiterate it once again as a warning of possible repentance but also as our profound wish:

and that very very soon to all of them who call themselves alchemists and who claim the right to rant about spirituality and the evolution of their deviated vision of their lack of understanding of light and its intrinsic high values but in doing so and acting they do the most serious harm the sin against knowledge which in many sacred plagues (gospel etc) is the most execrated
these individuals are just whitewashed tombs who think they are following a spiritual path but who instead are hypocritically imbued with selfishness and indifference to human suffering and very very soon the universal light will present them with a very high bill

And then these selfish individuals will cry and despair in front of the universal light and the hell that they have created for themselves due to their foolish and selfish choices and they will beg for mercy, precisely that mercy that they lacked but the universal light, that mercy and help that they denied to others the sick and the suffering will also be denied the universal light and this will be more than just and this will be the just justice of the universal light which will dissolve them into nothing because in them not with their erroneous selfish action on the path of knowledge has a spark of immortal light of the RC and now only nothingness dwells in them because as they say whoever sows veto will rightly reap only storm and destruction...


AND SO we are then with extreme pleasure if informed of this? we will enjoy with extreme pleasure the spectacle of seeing with extreme suffering their dissolution into nothingness
and it will be extremely pleasant to see them dissolved with extreme suffering into the same nothingness that characterized them in their lives

My best regard Alfr and gropup Agape Prometeo
 

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I feel I need to bring some clarity about my Alchemic Practice with claims that I have not made and claims that I have made on this forum.

I have never claimed that I can cure cancer.

I have never claimed that I can cure a headache.

I have never claimed that I am a healer.

I have never claimed that I can Transmute lead (Pb) into gold (Au).

I have never claimed that I can Multiply the Philosophers Stone to the point where it glows in a dark room like a burning coal.

There are many things in Alchemy that I have made no claim to.

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What I can claim openly on this forum is that my Alchemy Teacher:

Has shown me how to collect "Pure" Spiritus Mundi.

Has shown me how to work the Primary Alchemic Process to the point of Fixation.

Has shown me how to extract Universal and Particular Quintessence from the Three Realms.

Has shown me how to make a Tincture of correct ratio for various Quintessence.

Has shown me how to ingest Alchemic Tinctures in the correct dose.



There are no Alchemy Teachers to be found on this forum or any other forum.

I will continue to offer assistance from the understanding that I have been shown from my Alchemy Teacher to those members that have a genuine interest in Genuine Alchemy.
 

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There are no Alchemy Teachers to be found on this forum or any other forum.

I will continue to offer assistance from the understanding that I have been shown from my Alchemy Teacher to those members that have a genuine interest in Genuine Alchemy.

Surely it would be better for aspiring alchemists to get assistance/tuition from an actual teacher, which is something you've essentially said you are not.
 

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Maybe when they say that the art protects itself they mean that Black will show up and cause cognitive dissonance ad nauseam.
 

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Surely it would be better for aspiring alchemists to get assistance/tuition from an actual teacher, which is something you've essentially said you are not.

Yes Pilgrim it would "be better for aspiring alchemists to get assistance/tuition from an actual teacher"..... but those Alchemists that have worked the Alchemic Process and may give some tuition will still never teach how to collect "Pure" Spiritus Mundi.

Where do you think aspiring alchemists would be able to find a genuine teacher of Alchemy ?

There are only a very small number of genuine Alchemists in the world.

"Pure" Spiritus Mundi is the essential material to open the first gate into the Primary Alchemic Process and without this the aspiring alchemists are lost.

The aspiring alchemists could look for a teacher from the list on the thread ..... Alchemy Success and Great Potential, but I would suggest that the students would be wasting their time as not one of the members on that list have yet obtained the "Pure" Spiritus Mundi or have obtained anything Alchemic.

So what do you think the aspiring alchemists should do to advance into this great Work ?
 

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Where do you think aspiring alchemists would be able to find a genuine teacher of Alchemy ?

There are only a very small number of genuine Alchemists in the world.

I would turn that notion on its head TBH. Any genuine enlightened person, alchemist of otherwise would I believe, of inner heart-felt necessity, actively seek out aspiring initiates and help them on their journey. This is a practice seen in just about every faith, religion, belief system or mystery school. Those already established in the collective go out and seek out people. I was approached on at least two occasions (separated by 10+ years) to join the Freemasons. I didn't go seeking them. They were actively looking, they saw in me the right kind of potential/person and encouraged me to join. In the event I chose not to journey down that path but it's plain to see that this is how things are done in most collectives.

And as ever, I don't give too much weight to your endless attempt to focus on "alchemy" as you define it or "entering into alchemy".
I believe the majority of people who come to forums like this and/or who read the old texts aren't interested in symantics. What they want is to find strong medicines that will heal their illnesses/diseases and those of their loved ones and, if possible, as a bonus, to extend life. I don't think the pursuit of gold/silver from base metals is the primary objective of most who have delved into the old texts.

One step at a time imho. Let's enter into a world of super healing and well-being. Let's get people across that line with light and love and openness. The rest can follow from there if people want to go further.
 

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I would turn that notion on its head TBH. Any genuine enlightened person, alchemist of otherwise would I believe, of inner heart-felt necessity, actively seek out aspiring initiates and help them on their journey. This is a practice seen in just about every faith, religion, belief system or mystery school. Those already established in the collective go out and seek out people. I was approached on at least two occasions (separated by 10+ years) to join the Freemasons. I didn't go seeking them. They were actively looking, they saw in me the right kind of potential/person and encouraged me to join. In the event I chose not to journey down that path but it's plain to see that this is how things are done in most collectives.
Yes I agree to "help them on their journey" .... but no aspiring Alchemists will be helped with the essential understanding of "Pure" Spiritus Mundi to Enter into Alchemy, this can only be gifted by the Divine.

Alchemy is not a boys club .... it is a Divine Science and the Knowledge / Understanding to be able to practice this Work is a gift from the Divine Light (Our Creator).

This gift is not to be shared around by mankind .... the Creator decides who gets to Enter into Alchemy ..... man is not given that authority.
And as ever, I don't give too much weight to your endless attempt to focus on "alchemy" as you define it or "entering into alchemy".
Then please totally ignore what I have to say about Alchemy and continue with your book reading to the point where you think you can start some actual lab work.

You have some very strong opinions for someone that has only read books.
I believe the majority of people who come to forums like this and/or who read the old texts aren't interested in symantics. What they want is to find strong medicines that will heal their illnesses/diseases and those of their loved ones and, if possible, as a bonus, to extend life. I don't think the pursuit of gold/silver from base metals is the primary objective of most who have delved into the old texts.
It sound like Alchemy is not for you.

I would suggest that you put your energies into studying some of the alternate medical practices.
One step at a time imho. Let's enter into a world of super healing and well-being. Let's get people across that line with light and love and openness. The rest can follow from there if people want to go further.
Alchemy is not for those that want to save the world when they feel like it and become gods here on earth .... One Divine Creator is enough.

It's clear that you think you can master this Divine Science without any assistance from Our Creator.

Time will tell you a lot Pilgrim. :)
 

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You have some very strong opinions for someone that has only read books.

I have many years of life experience behind me. It lets me sniff out truth from falsehood, sweetness from BS.


It sound like Alchemy is not for you.

I was lead along my current path/journey step by step, breadcrumb by breadcrumb and with someone always going ahead of me. That path is not yours to know or to comment on. You have your own path, I suggest you concentrate on it instead of trying to persuade others off their own paths and to "enter your" particular path of "alchemy". You are neither a spokesperson for the divine source/creator nor a teacher of any sort.

I would suggest that you put your energies into studying some of the alternate medical practices.

Thanks but I will follow the path that has been put before me, step by step.

It's clear that you think you can master this Divine Science without any assistance from Our Creator.

You have absolutely zero knowledge of my relationship with a creator nor of what assistance I may already have had.

Time will tell you a lot Pilgrim. :)

It already has.

For all your years and experiences you're never going to be a teacher or guide. You lack the most basic traits needed to be of service to others in such capacity, those of humility, empathy and selflessness. Your persona here is always one of rather ridiculous haughtiness, self-appointed "authority" and extremely limited rhetoric (it generally being the same mantra endlessly repeated at any opportunity). It's clear that it cuts no ice with many members here so one wonders why you continue. It comes across as just a form of attention seeking. For all the fluff and waffle, you still have nothing practical to help anyone with. You have no medicine. All those years tinkering and yet still you appear to have no tangible medicine to help cure a fellow human being from illness. Whatever it is you have "entered into" it seems pretty pointless in all honesty.
 

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And as ever, I don't give too much weight to your endless attempt to focus on "alchemy" as you define it or "entering into alchemy".
I believe the majority of people who come to forums like this and/or who read the old texts aren't interested in symantics. What they want is to find strong medicines that will heal their illnesses/diseases and those of their loved ones and, if possible, as a bonus, to extend life. I don't think the pursuit of gold/silver from base metals is the primary objective of most who have delved into the old texts.
You’re right ! You have the heart of a true Alchemist As most Alchemists seek medicine rather than riches or to be part of shadow government.
 

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"Pure" Spiritus Mundi to Enter into Alchemy, this can only be gifted by the Divine.

Alchemy is not a boys club .... it is a Divine Science and the Knowledge / Understanding to be able to practice this Work is a gift from the Divine Light (Our Creator).

This gift is not to be shared around by mankind .... the Creator decides who gets to Enter into Alchemy ..... man is not given that authority.

Then please totally ignore what I have to say about Alchemy and continue with your book reading to the point where you think you can start some actual lab work.

You have some very strong opinions for someone that has only read books.

It sound like Alchemy is not for you.

I would suggest that you put your energies into studying some of the alternate medical practices.

Alchemy is not for those that want to save the world when they feel like it and become gods here on earth .... One Divine Creator is enough.

It's clear that you think you can master this Divine Science without any assistance from Our Creator.

Time will tell you a lot Pilgrim. :)


Mr Black the WICKED HAVE ACCESS TO THE CREATION OF THE TINCTURE !

It is now hidden because of them and other selfish alchemists who believe the world don’t need healing but them and their Evil family members.

It was knowledge once given to all but the wicked see that they can control humanity by allowing them to see them as gods and goddesses.

Or Somé selfish alchemists because they are chosen by the Creator so they become self righteous and as greedy and wicked as time went on.

ALCHEMY IS NOT DIVINE ART GIVEN TO THE CHOSEN,AS I SAID THE WICKED ALREADY RULED THE WORLD WITH THIS SUPPOSED DIVINE ART AND HAVE RULED OVER THE WORLD BU EXTENDING THEIR WICKED LIVES.

We are in a dome while the wicked colonise outside the dome.

It’s great you believe in the creator but stop spreading false narratives that only the chosen can access these knowledge.
 

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We are in a dome while the wicked colonise outside the dome.

How did we get here I wonder?

Were we not previously just "life essence" floating around, possibly in or near to heaven or equivalent? Who then captured our essence and trapped it into a physical body?
 

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Mr Black the WICKED HAVE ACCESS TO THE CREATION OF THE TINCTURE !

It is now hidden because of them and other selfish alchemists who believe the world don’t need healing but them and their Evil family members.

It was knowledge once given to all but the wicked see that they can control humanity by allowing them to see them as gods and goddesses.

Or Somé selfish alchemists because they are chosen by the Creator so they become self righteous and as greedy and wicked as time went on.

ALCHEMY IS NOT DIVINE ART GIVEN TO THE CHOSEN,AS I SAID THE WICKED ALREADY RULED THE WORLD WITH THIS SUPPOSED DIVINE ART AND HAVE RULED OVER THE WORLD BU EXTENDING THEIR WICKED LIVES.

We are in a dome while the wicked colonise outside the dome.

It’s great you believe in the creator but stop spreading false narratives that only the chosen can access these knowledge.
Hi Denii

Could you please share with me and the rest of the members of this forum where you got this information from ?

Does this information come from some research you have done ?

Did you read it somewhere ?

Or is this just your belief ?

If it is just what you believe thats fine by me as there are many members here that believe all sorts of things.

There are those that believe they can collect Spiritus Mundi from milk.

There are those that believe they can transmute water into Spiritus Mundi and even those that believe they can extract Universal Quintessence by distilling sea water 20 times.

I would also be very interested in hearing what else you know about Alchemy ?

Do you have a serious hands-on Alchemic Practice in the laboratory ?

Or are you just a belief / theory / book Alchemist ?

I have a feeling that you will fit into this forum very well Denii.
 

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No Black YOU should share where you get information and do not say "the all knowing", actually never mind there is no information, I cannot recall a single piece of useful real world information that came out of your mouth, It is all crazy mental abstraction shit talking people and trying to get people to accept the all knowing as their parasite of choice.

There are also those who believe that some "All-Knowing Alpha & Omega Creator of Literally Everything" took over their body and took them for a roulette spin and later taught them the "alchemic process".

Others believe that some "pure SM" from a syringe makes a seedling sprout and grow in seconds, but only if it is pushed from below or filmed in stop-motion.


Yet others believe the earth is a spinning ball, hurling though space at insane speeds, yet we cannot feel a thing, but luckily we have "the science" and some photo-shopped images from NASA.


And some believe that governments and pharma have our best interests at heart, some even believing that governments are given their legitimacy by "the people".

The difference between me and you on this forum is that I actually provide evidence and often tell people how it is created and what it is and what the model is.


You are making people feel jaded and confused and you should shut up already, nobody will worship you or your all knowing roulette playing friend.
 

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Mr Black the WICKED HAVE ACCESS TO THE CREATION OF THE TINCTURE !

It is now hidden because of them and other selfish alchemists who believe the world don’t need healing but them and their Evil family members.

It was knowledge once given to all but the wicked see that they can control humanity by allowing them to see them as gods and goddesses.

Or Somé selfish alchemists because they are chosen by the Creator so they become self righteous and as greedy and wicked as time went on.

ALCHEMY IS NOT DIVINE ART GIVEN TO THE CHOSEN,AS I SAID THE WICKED ALREADY RULED THE WORLD WITH THIS SUPPOSED DIVINE ART AND HAVE RULED OVER THE WORLD BU EXTENDING THEIR WICKED LIVES.

We are in a dome while the wicked colonise outside the dome.

It’s great you believe in the creator but stop spreading false narratives that only the chosen can access these knowledge.
Maybe they aren't as wicked as you think. If the king is righteous no reason to not let him rule.
 

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Maybe they aren't as wicked as you think. If the king is righteous no reason to not let him rule.

Anyone who has the means/medicine to cure innocent children and others from debilitating diseases and illnesses but sits idly by keeping the medicine for themselves "lest all the hogs come to the honey pot" IS inherently wicked and selfish and undeserving of such a universally wonderful product.

Since the world IS full of sick and suffering people hen IF the Stone really does exist then those that have it are clearly wicked for they are keeping it for themselves instead of freeing humanity from the control of Pharmaceuticals and other conglomerates.
 

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If it is just what you believe thats fine by me as there are many members here that believe all sorts of things.

Indeed . .

There are those that believe they have authority over the word "alchemy" and its definition

There are those that believe there is only one path, indeed "their" path and that all else is frivolous and fruitless

There are those who believe in unseen entities and who hear voices and allow such to steer their lives

There are those who claim alchemy experience and wisdom but yet don't have a scrap of useful medicine to help others

It's a strange world
 

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Maybe they aren't as wicked as you think. If the king is righteous no reason to not let him rule.
Mr Microwatt with all the wickedness is this world do you truly believe there’s a righteous king ruling. There’s more people dying now because of the vaccine and government worldwide failed to address it. 253 trillion was stolen and 9/11 implemented to cover it up I’m sure the government already altered this history. There a world disaster relief fund infinite amount of gold that can revive the world economy but they now hide all documentation of it. It was set up by St Germain and continuous to today. The devil still rules all and there’s none righteous under it either in spirit or flesh.