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60 days!!!!

It takes 60 days for the human fetus; which begins female; to bring forth of itself its male qualities.

I thought this may be relevant here.
 

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This sums it up perfectly.


"Rosarium Philosophorum"

Geber: In the work of our magistery we need but one vessel, one furnace, and one disposition. This you must understand after the preparation of the first stone.
 

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This is one of the first threads that caught my attention when i first joined the Forum. Anyone had luck with these concepts?
 
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This is one of the first threads that caught my attention when i first joined the Forum. Anyone had luck with these concepts?

The accumulated experience of 2000+ years by all manner of seekers after the Stone, as well as the 400+ years of chymists, chemists and physicists investigating virtually every single naturally occurring substance known to man says a big, loud, emphatic, resounding, thundering, echoing "NO!"
 

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The accumulated experience of 2000+ years by all manner of seekers after the Stone, as well as the 400+ years of chymists, chemists and physicists investigating virtually every single naturally occurring substance known to man says a big, loud, emphatic, resounding, thundering, echoing "NO!"

Interesting JDP, thanks for confirming :)

So are you speaking from your own personal experiences of failing by utalizing these Principles, or are you speaking for ALL Philosophers throughout history? Just by Observing Nature, i would think some Value does exist within these concepts. By simply considering Our Earth(literally the planet we live on), One can See it fits the bill Perfectly imo..
 

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Interesting JDP, thanks for confirming :) So are you speaking from your own personal experiences of failing by utalizing these Principles, or are you speaking for ALL Philosophers throughout history? Just by Observing Nature, i would think some Value does exist within these concepts. By simply observing Our Earth(literally the planet we live on), One can See it fits the bill Perfectly imo..

I was referring to the accumulated experience of centuries, not just of a single person in particular. This claim has been floating around since late antiquity, so it was tried by a whole bunch of seekers... to no avail, mind you.

Since nature does not make the Stone, I don't see how such a thing could possibly work even if one somehow thought this claim fitted nature's modus operandi, which it plainly does not (nature operates with many substances and different "vessels" and temperatures, most certainly not "only one". The claim is an absurd booby-trap to fool "unworthy" seekers into blind alleys... incredible that there's still people falling for it!)
 

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I got you. I think of the Earth as the Matter and vessel, and the sun as the 1 fire with this example. And the earth is The Stone as well imo, with this analogy. How does gold form here if not through the capibilities of Our Earth and Spirit of the Sun and Stars??
 
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I got you. I think of the Earth as the Matter and vessel, and the sun as the 1 fire with this example. And the earth is The Stone as wellimo with this analogy. How does gold form here if not through the capibilities of Our Earth and Spirit of the Sun and Stars??

But gold can easily have entered Earth via millions of years worth of meteorite bombardment. There really isn't evidence that gold is being "formed" as we speak inside the "bowels" of the Earth, like the old theories claim. Plus even if it was, that still is not making the Stone. Nature does not make this substance. If it did, someone would already have found it in a natural setting.
 

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But gold can easily have entered Earth via millions of years worth of meteorite bombardment. There really isn't evidence that gold is being "formed" as we speak inside the "bowels" of the Earth, like the old theories claim. Plus even if it was, that still is not making the Stone. Nature does not make this substance. If it did, someone would already have found it in a natural setting.

True unless when a natural form of the Stone is formed it is instantly consumed through the Transmutation of whatever it is currently in contact with..
 

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True unless when a natural form of the Stone is formed it is instantly consumed through the Transmutation of whatever it is currently in contact with..

Too much "coincidence", isn't it? In hundreds of years of recorded history no one has found a sample of the Stone in a natural setting. It's rather unrealistic to think that as soon as nature makes it, it always comes in contact with some molten base metals and it spends itself in transmuting them into silver or gold! We could accept that sometimes that might happen out of chance, but all times??? Too convenient.
 

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You know, I'm not really sure but am ok with that.. Anyway my thoughts would be that this substance, if formed, would initially be of a Universal nature, thus having the ability to transform all Kingdoms. So precious metals only forming under proper circumstances. Other forms of change occuring depending on the variables of the specific instances in question. Maybe all things Evoulutions owe their transformation to such a contact with a not yet Fixed Stone-like substance that forms naturally.

No one really seems to know these things for sure.
 

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According to conventional wisdom, heavy elements like gold are formed only in certain cosmic high energy events, such as supernova explosions and/or neutron star collisions. This article explains those two theories well, including the problems with each of them:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/did-...-forge-the-universes-supply-of-gold-20170323/

Yet there is the topic of cold fusion brought up by Fleischmann and Pons, which conventional science generally thinks of as debunked. However, more recently, some researchers concluded that low energy transmutations can indeed occur, albeit not necessarily due to fusion processes:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/its-not-cold-fusion-but-its-something/

The Alchemists of the past may have captured some aspects of what is actually happening then by their - let's say - 'geophysical' theories.

Nowhere did I see claims that the Philosopher's Stone is involved in the natural transmutations supposedly occuring in the earth, though. That said, according to those Alchemists, there are parallels between natural and artificial transmutations, and the former should be understood in order to make the latter possible.
 

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Some go even "beyond" the one vessel claim and say it's "fished" out of nothing (though obviously captured in a vessel).
Others say the sun is it's father and the moon it's mother. St. Didier and the Ancient war of the knights (french version) say the secret fire is a
"lunatic vulcan", which means the same I guess.
Again others say both it's true.

Then some say "Sal metallorum is lapis philosophorum". Even Jesus said "salt's a good thing". Historically seen the trinitity and the salt came later and before it was just the duality of mercury and sulphur, sun and moon, mars and venus, Appolo and Diana, Salamander and Remora or other symbols of these kinds of opposites (or oppo-sames as some here like to call them).
 

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Some go even "beyond" the one vessel claim and say it's "fished" out of nothing (though obviously captured in a vessel).

And such people also believe in witches, ghosts & goblins... That should tell you how "seriously" their word has to be taken.


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Others say the sun is it's father and the moon it's mother.

Of the "microcosm", not the "macrocosm".

St. Didier and the Ancient war of the knights (french version) say the secret fire is a "lunatic vulcan", which means the same I guess.

The last pages of the English edition of that treatise are devoted to explaining the origin of this translation (into Latin, and then into French) error. It should be "Lunar Vulcan".
 

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Of the "microcosm", not the "macrocosm".

Yes, and men were considered as hot and dry, whereas women are wet and cold.
The last pages of the English edition of that treatise are devoted to explaining the origin of this translation (into Latin, and then into French) error. It should be "Lunar Vulcan".
I know, the german version explains it too. That's why I wrote the french version source. I somehow like the lunatic vulcan though.

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I am still trying to understand processes and everything but I thought this might help someone.

W.C. said:
Some Philosophers would have it one thing, and affirm, that the Salt of Metals is the Philosophers Stone; Others say, all's in Mercury that the Wise-men seek; and again, others do teach, that the whole Art depends in and upon the true preparation of their Sulphur, as being the most perfect of the three principles, whose Orbs must be thrice turned about, as in my three Figures and Cɶlestial Wheels; and some would have it one thing, comprising the nature of the two as a Hermophradite or Embrio moreover, some would have it absolutely two things, a Male and Female, Fire and Water, or Water and Earth, Sulphur and Mercury, or Heaven and Earth. Some likewise would have it consist of three, Salt Sulphur, and Mercury, Sol Luna & Mercury, Body, Soul, and Spirit; Others would have it the four Elements, and say, the Conversion of them is the whole work. And some again would have it a fifth Essence and Quintessential Spiritual Body; and say their Master and Mistery consists in these five numbers, 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5.

All which nevertheless, I acknowledge is really but one onely thing, or Essence in the Root, viz. the Philosophers Mercury, although out of two or three particulars, or more in kind; and one operation of several parts, as in my said Epitaph, and Circular Figures comprised; Nay indeed may be but one onely particular thing, and on continued simple and single operation, when duely prepared, and superfluities removed. But if one onely thing be taken, then it is divided into several parts; or if several things may be taken, they are brought to one and so may it be said of the Operation, which all being but one, the Philosophers nevertheless are pleased to distinguish it by its several Progressions, Colours, and Properties, intimated by, and within the said three figures red Circles and their Titles; all agreeing with this old Ænygma of Vitriol, which being in many of the Metallick kind, is and hath but one thing or substance; and although but one, yet may be opened, divided, and have several parts; and being done, be brought to one again in one single and simple operation of Nature; Thus,

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Visitabis Interiora Terre, Rectificando Invenies, Occultum Lapidem, Veram Medicinam.
Visit the interiours of Earth, Rectifying, And you shall find the hid Stone, and true Medicine.
 
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This is one of the first threads that caught my attention when i first joined the Forum. Anyone had luck with these concepts?

Well, I have had some success so far with those concepts as pertains to Ripley who was a proponent of that paradigm. To get the most out of Ripley you have to compare his treatises one to another for the content. The methods are quite similar and follow a consistent methodology. He uses confusing names for materials and changes the names from one treatises to another. Yet I have found that he will tell how to make one key material in one treaty where one of the ingredients is not explained in that treaty but is in another. Then in another he will say how to use it. It all comes from One Thing that contains in itself Three Things that are compounded of Four Things that are also contained in the One Thing.

Ripley says you can make the Powders White and Red from the Elements and Principles contained in the One Thing with nothing else added. He also says you can make the Powders White and Red another way with preparations of Ag and Au.

Further he explains that the initial One Thing, Green Lyon, is the power to grow and evolve. When properly prepared Philosophically the One Matter is substantiated physically and called the Philosophical Mercury or Menstruum. He says it is also One Vessel and One Fire this Philosophical Menstruum.

Ripley says that the Philosophical Mercury and Sulfur of the Green Lyon will transmute certain metals into silver or gold. For when the Mercury made with the properly prepared native calx of the original matter of the Green Lyon will flow like wax on a hot plate it will then transmute certain metals, namely Sn and Cu into Ag. When the Sulfur is purified through Mercury and then properly prepared into the calx of the same original matter of the Green Lyon so that it flows like wax on a hot plate it will transmute Pb and Ag into Au.

One has to first figure out the processing of the Elements received from the putrefaction of the Green Lyon and then assembled from the details spread out over most of his treatises. Then one has to set up the lab experiments. I have some preliminary experiments going on now.

Following Ripley is a colossal undertaking. As he says you have to put a new Chaos into the oven as soon as you take one out in order to get enough of the Elements to make the materials he calls by a host of names that change as soon as they get processed to a new level of purity or potency.
 

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Well, I have had some success so far with those concepts as pertains to Ripley who was a proponent of that paradigm. To get the most out of Ripley you have to compare his treatises one to another for the content. The methods are quite similar and follow a consistent methodology. He uses confusing names for materials and changes the names from one treatises to another. Yet I have found that he will tell how to make one key material in one treaty where one of the ingredients is not explained in that treaty but is in another. Then in another he will say how to use it. It all comes from One Thing that contains in itself Three Things that are compounded of Four Things that are also contained in the One Thing.

Ripley says you can make the Powders White and Red from the Elements and Principles contained in the One Thing with nothing else added. He also says you can make the Powders White and Red another way with preparations of Ag and Au.

Further he explains that the initial One Thing, Green Lyon, is the power to grow and evolve. When properly prepared Philosophically the One Matter is substantiated physically and called the Philosophical Mercury or Menstruum. He says it is also One Vessel and One Fire this Philosophical Menstruum.

Ripley says that the Philosophical Mercury and Sulfur of the Green Lyon will transmute certain metals into silver or gold. For when the Mercury made with the properly prepared native calx of the original matter of the Green Lyon will flow like wax on a hot plate it will then transmute certain metals, namely Sn and Cu into Ag. When the Sulfur is purified through Mercury and then properly prepared into the calx of the same original matter of the Green Lyon so that it flows like wax on a hot plate it will transmute Pb and Ag into Au.

One has to first figure out the processing of the Elements received from the putrefaction of the Green Lyon and then assembled from the details spread out over most of his treatises. Then one has to set up the lab experiments. I have some preliminary experiments going on now.

Following Ripley is a colossal undertaking. As he says you have to put a new Chaos into the oven as soon as you take one out in order to get enough of the Elements to make the materials he calls by a host of names that change as soon as they get processed to a new level of purity or potency.

Ripley's descriptions of the preparation of the "Green Lion" show it is a composite of at least two substances: a liquid which he usually calls "Vinegar" and a solid substance that he hides under a barrage of decknamen ("Red Lead", "Antimony", "Sericon", "Adrop", etc., which strongly suggest its mineral/metallic origin, or at least its partly mineral/metallic origin.) Ripley sometimes pays lip service to the old misleading "one matter only" trap, but he himself obviously did not believe it for one second and worked with several substances, like all alchemists really did, as can be plainly seen in such writings as "The Marrow of Alchemy" and the "Liber Secretisimus".
 

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Ripley's descriptions of the preparation of the "Green Lion" show it is a composite of at least two substances: a liquid which he usually calls "Vinegar" and a solid substance that he hides under a barrage of decknamen ("Red Lead", "Antimony", "Sericon", "Adrop", etc., which strongly suggest its mineral/metallic origin, or at least its partly mineral/metallic origin.) Ripley sometimes pays lip service to the old misleading "one matter only" trap, but he himself obviously did not believe it for one second and worked with several substances, like all alchemists really did, as can be plainly seen in such writings as "The Marrow of Alchemy" and the "Liber Secretisimus".

That’s right, Ripley’s Vinegar is used but that is not common wine vinegar. It is prepared from the Philosophical Mercury and the Calx of the Green Lyon both received from the initial putrefaction of the Green Lyon prepared through a specific method not detailed in either Marrow of Alchemy or Liber Secretissimus. The method is in the PDF Ripley Treatises transcribed by members of the old secret Alkaest forum.

The solid substance aka, Read Lead, Antimony, Sericon, Adrop, is the Calx as well after the initial putrefaction of the Green Lyon. You cannot get both from one putrefaction of the Green Lyon. So you have to follow one of his accurtations which says to take the Green Lyon without vinegar and distill it to receive the Philosophical Mercury, Sulfur and Calx (after calcination). Then the Vinegar is prepared and a new volume of the Green Lyon is dissolved into the Philosophical Vinegar. From that one gets the gum Adrop or Sericon.
 

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That’s right, Ripley’s Vinegar is used but that is not common wine vinegar. It is prepared from the Philosophical Mercury and the Calx of the Green Lyon both received from the initial putrefaction of the Green Lyon prepared through a specific method not detailed in either Marrow of Alchemy or Liber Secretissimus.

"Liber Secretisimus" starts from almost the very beginning of the work (unlike most of his texts, which start with some of the operations already completed and not explained or pointed out to the reader), and it clearly says it's "three several and distinct" (i.e. separate) substances, not "one". The interaction between these three substances gives rise to the so-called "one thing" (which is really a complex compound of these 3 matters, not any "one thing only" in a true literal sense) that will give all the "mercuries/waters/oils" and solids (after its destructive distillation, which he also describes there) that will be used in making the Stone.

The method is in the PDF Ripley Treatises transcribed by members of the old secret Alkaest forum.

Of which I was one of the main transcribers & proof-readers. I don't recall what "method" you have in mind, though.

The solid substance aka, Read Lead, Antimony, Sericon, Adrop, is the Calx as well after the initial putrefaction of the Green Lyon. You cannot get both from one putrefaction of the Green Lyon. So you have to follow one of his accurtations which says to take the Green Lyon without vinegar and distill it to receive the Philosophical Mercury, Sulfur and Calx (after calcination). Then the Vinegar is prepared and a new volume of the Green Lyon is dissolved into the Philosophical Vinegar. From that one gets the gum Adrop or Sericon.

The "Accurtations" does indeed reveal (by logical implications, not by direct statements) that the "Green Lion" can be prepared without dissolution in vinegar (whether acetic acid or some other acid menstruum is meant by this name; in the "Marrow of Alchemy" he clearly refers to other acid solvents that can also be used in some of the preparations, so Ripley used in fact several acids in his various manners of operating.) Notice, therefore, that it is neither wood nor soot, as you think, since these matters do not dissolve in such acid liquors (at least certainly not in vinegar) and do not form any "green gum", which "gum" will then be destructively distilled into the several substances he describes in many of his works. The "Green Lion" here is a composite material itself already, even without dissolution in a separate acid menstruum. But Ripley does not explain anything about its composition in that text. For that you need to look into "Liber Secretisimus", the only one of his works where he gives some info regarding this crucial subject.
 

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"Liber Secretisimus" starts from almost the very beginning of the work (unlike most of his texts, which start with some of the operations already completed and not explained or pointed out to the reader), and it clearly says it's "three several and distinct" (i.e. separate) substances, not "one". The interaction between these three substances gives rise to the so-called "one thing" (which is really a complex compound of these 3 matters, not any "one thing only" in a true literal sense) that will give all the "mercuries/waters/oils" and solids (after its destructive distillation, which he also describes there) that will be used in making the Stone.



Of which I was one of the main transcribers & proof-readers. I don't recall what "method" you have in mind, though.



The "Accurtations" does indeed reveal (by logical implications, not by direct statements) that the "Green Lion" can be prepared without dissolution in vinegar (whether acetic acid or some other acid menstruum is meant by this name; in the "Marrow of Alchemy" he clearly refers to other acid solvents that can also be used in some of the preparations, so Ripley used in fact several acids in his various manners of operating.) Notice, therefore, that it is neither wood nor soot, as you think, since these matters do not dissolve in such acid liquors (at least certainly not in vinegar) and do not form any "green gum", which "gum" will then be destructively distilled into the several substances he describes in many of his works. The "Green Lion" here is a composite material itself already, even without dissolution in a separate acid menstruum. But Ripley does not explain anything about its composition in that text. For that you need to look into "Liber Secretisimus", the only one of his works where he gives some info regarding this crucial subject.

Accurtations:

13 By another way & practise do thus. Take the green
14 lion, without distillation in vinegar & put him in a great
15 earthen retort which can endure the fire & put it to distill after
16 the same way & manner as they distill aqua fort, putting thereto
17 a receiver & luting well the joints, that it breath not forth.
18 Then first distill with a gentle fire, until thou seest white
19 fumes appear, then change the receiver closing it well
20 & so distill with a great fire as they distill aqua fortis, & so
21 continue it for 24 hours. If thou continuest thy fire
22 for 8 days, thou shall always see the receiver full of
23 white fumes, & so shall thou have the blood of the green
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1 lion, which we call a secret water, & most sharp vinegar, by the
2 which all bodies are reduced to their first matter, & all infirmi-
3 ties are driven away from the bodies of men, & it is our fire burn-
4 ing always in one continued manner whithin the glass vessel &
5 not without, & our dunghill, our aqua vite; our balneum; our grape-
6 shell, our horse belly, the which operates wonderful things in
7 the works of nature & is the examen or trial of all bodies
8 dissolved, & not dissolved; & is an acute water carrying the fire
9 in its belly, as a fiery water, else it would not have powery to
10 dissolve bodies into the first matter. Also it is our mercury,
11 our sol, our lune which we use in our work.
The farther may
12 thou shall find in the bottom of the vessel, black feces like coals
13 the which thou shall calcine with a gentle fire for the space of
14 eight days, & in a stronger & more acute fire, other
15 eight days. & so continue until they come to the whiteness
16 of snow; or calcine them thrice in a potter's furnace in the
17 hottest place of the furnace even to a whiteness, & so keep
18 all things apart, therefore now, when thou hast thy calx
19 altogether nor wholy apart or separately,



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18 Of the operative part.

19 Take
20 in the name of god adrop, the green lyon, which I have
21 afore mentioned, & dissolve it in aq. vite for the space of three
22 days, stirring it well thrice every day & let it be well
23 mixed, then separate the feces thrice by balneum. Afterwards
24 evaporate the aq. vite with a gentle fire until it be as

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1 thick as milk, the which then pour out & keep. On this wise
2 must thou dissolve 12 pounds of the green lyon. Then hast
3 thou the earth of earth, the earths brother, of which the philosophers
4 have made so much mention. Put 3 pounds(?) of this milk into a
5 glass the form whereof is here described in the margin. Then
6 put it half ways in a furnace filled with most fine sand, yet
7 with this caution, that the glass be two fingers distant from the
8 bottom & the sides. Then kindle at first a most gentle fire,
9 put too a receiver, the which you must not as yet lute on, &
10 after some few hours there will distill over a certain mild in-
11 sipid water; now when there ascends a certain white fume,
12 adjoin a new receiver, most long & most large, lute it on
13 with the very best wax or lute thou canst get, or otherwise
14 the spirits will pass out, the which spirits are most of all necess-
15 ary for us in this work; The fume will tinge the receiver
16 with a certain thick & milkysh moisture, the which is called
17 argent vive, wherewith also ascends a most red oil, the
18 wich also is called by the philosophers aëreal gold, a stinking
19 menstruum, the gold of the philosophers our tincture, aqua ardens,
20 the blood of the green lyon, our unctuous humidity, the which is
21 the ultimate consolation of the body of man in this life, the
22 mercury of philosophers, the solutive water, the which dissolves
23 gold with the conservation of its species & hath many
24 other innumerable names. This distillation thou shall

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1 continue, from the first appearance of the white fume, even unto 12
2 hours time, & then cease. Then take off the receiver & shut
3 it firmely with wax artificial, that for the spirits breath not forth &
4 be lost. & thus shall thou have the blood of the green lyon, the which
5 we call our secret water & most sharp vinacre, whereby all bodies
6 may be reduced into their first matter, & also the bodies of many
7 men may be purged from many infirmities. This is our fire burn-
8 ing always equally & with one measure within the glass & not without.
9 This is our dunghill, our aqua vite, our balneum, our belly of an horse
10 which operates & produceth many wonderful things in the secret
11 workmanship of its nature.
For it is the examination of all bodies
12 dissolved, & not dissolved; & hot and moyst viz. a most sharp wa-
13 ter, carrying fire in its belly (*) Senior saith. When anyone
14 would extract this divine water, which is fire, let him heat it
15 with its own fire, the which fire is water, the which water they
16 have mensurated even to an end, & have hidden by reason
17 of the indiscretion of fools. And all the philosophers have sworn
18 concerning this thing, that they will not write it clearly in
19 any place. But they have attributed the glorie unto god omnipo-
20 tent, who reveals to whom he wills, & forbids it from whom
21 he will, because that in it lies a great sophisme & obscurity.
22 This therefore doth not operate actually nor potentialy, but in
23 pulsance or power unto ad(?); the which notwithstanding is to be assist-
24 ed with its own like, & this is said to be natural, and thus
25 hast thou the philosophical key to open every metal

Concordancy:

6 The Composition of a most sharp Acetum
7 vegetable, by George Ripley

8 Take the tartar of most strong wine & calcine it into
9 a colourness. Take of this calcined tartar one pound, that
10 being powdered put it in a great Porcelain cucurbit, where-
11 upon pour half a cup of spirit of wine or somewhat
12 more, close the mouth well, & let them stand in cold water
13 24 hours. Then put to a receiver & distill in Balneum with a gentle
14 fire, that so that it will distillate & then will ascend a
15 certain phlegma, that which you must distinguish by taste. Then
16 let it cool. And again put to the aforesaid tartar new
17 sprit of wine in the same quantity as afore, doing in all
18 respects as before. The whole work thou must repeat 15
19 times, & if thou will an hundreds. But when you open the
20 glas in the same all imbibitions about all thing beware
21 of the sustain odour of this adept fire.

Accurtations:

Put one ounce
16 of thy calx in the egg of the Gryphon, & put thereupon as much
17 of the tincture as it may be as it were covered, & shut the
18 vessel & so let it stand for the space of 8 days in a cold place,
19 & at the end of the time it will be thirsty, then give it more
20 drink as afore, & do as was aforesaid by the space of 8 days
21 & so continue from 8 days to 8 days until it will
22 drink up no more of its tincture, letting it thus stand in a
23 cold place until it becomes as black as pitch, then put
24 it in a natural balneum; & let it so stand until the humi-

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1 dity be fixed with the earth, the which will become as white
2 as snow. This done, thou maist divide it into two parts, keep-
3 ing one part for the white work, & the other part for the red
4 work,
 

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Accurtations:

13 By another way & practise do thus. Take the green
14 lion, without distillation in vinegar & put him in a great
15 earthen retort which can endure the fire & put it to distill after
16 the same way & manner as they distill aqua fort, putting thereto
17 a receiver & luting well the joints, that it breath not forth.
18 Then first distill with a gentle fire, until thou seest white
19 fumes appear, then change the receiver closing it well
20 & so distill with a great fire as they distill aqua fortis, & so
21 continue it for 24 hours. If thou continuest thy fire
22 for 8 days, thou shall always see the receiver full of
23 white fumes, & so shall thou have the blood of the green
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1 lion, which we call a secret water, & most sharp vinegar, by the
2 which all bodies are reduced to their first matter, & all infirmi-
3 ties are driven away from the bodies of men, & it is our fire burn-
4 ing always in one continued manner whithin the glass vessel &
5 not without, & our dunghill, our aqua vite; our balneum; our grape-
6 shell, our horse belly, the which operates wonderful things in
7 the works of nature & is the examen or trial of all bodies
8 dissolved, & not dissolved; & is an acute water carrying the fire
9 in its belly, as a fiery water, else it would not have powery to
10 dissolve bodies into the first matter. Also it is our mercury,
11 our sol, our lune which we use in our work.
The farther may
12 thou shall find in the bottom of the vessel, black feces like coals
13 the which thou shall calcine with a gentle fire for the space of
14 eight days, & in a stronger & more acute fire, other
15 eight days. & so continue until they come to the whiteness
16 of snow; or calcine them thrice in a potter's furnace in the
17 hottest place of the furnace even to a whiteness, & so keep
18 all things apart, therefore now, when thou hast thy calx
19 altogether nor wholy apart or separately,



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18 Of the operative part.

19 Take
20 in the name of god adrop, the green lyon, which I have
21 afore mentioned, & dissolve it in aq. vite for the space of three
22 days, stirring it well thrice every day & let it be well
23 mixed, then separate the feces thrice by balneum. Afterwards
24 evaporate the aq. vite with a gentle fire until it be as

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1 thick as milk, the which then pour out & keep. On this wise
2 must thou dissolve 12 pounds of the green lyon. Then hast
3 thou the earth of earth, the earths brother, of which the philosophers
4 have made so much mention. Put 3 pounds(?) of this milk into a
5 glass the form whereof is here described in the margin. Then
6 put it half ways in a furnace filled with most fine sand, yet
7 with this caution, that the glass be two fingers distant from the
8 bottom & the sides. Then kindle at first a most gentle fire,
9 put too a receiver, the which you must not as yet lute on, &
10 after some few hours there will distill over a certain mild in-
11 sipid water; now when there ascends a certain white fume,
12 adjoin a new receiver, most long & most large, lute it on
13 with the very best wax or lute thou canst get, or otherwise
14 the spirits will pass out, the which spirits are most of all necess-
15 ary for us in this work; The fume will tinge the receiver
16 with a certain thick & milkysh moisture, the which is called
17 argent vive, wherewith also ascends a most red oil, the
18 wich also is called by the philosophers aëreal gold, a stinking
19 menstruum, the gold of the philosophers our tincture, aqua ardens,
20 the blood of the green lyon, our unctuous humidity, the which is
21 the ultimate consolation of the body of man in this life, the
22 mercury of philosophers, the solutive water, the which dissolves
23 gold with the conservation of its species & hath many
24 other innumerable names. This distillation thou shall

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1 continue, from the first appearance of the white fume, even unto 12
2 hours time, & then cease. Then take off the receiver & shut
3 it firmely with wax artificial, that for the spirits breath not forth &
4 be lost. & thus shall thou have the blood of the green lyon, the which
5 we call our secret water & most sharp vinacre, whereby all bodies
6 may be reduced into their first matter, & also the bodies of many
7 men may be purged from many infirmities. This is our fire burn-
8 ing always equally & with one measure within the glass & not without.
9 This is our dunghill, our aqua vite, our balneum, our belly of an horse
10 which operates & produceth many wonderful things in the secret
11 workmanship of its nature.
For it is the examination of all bodies
12 dissolved, & not dissolved; & hot and moyst viz. a most sharp wa-
13 ter, carrying fire in its belly (*) Senior saith. When anyone
14 would extract this divine water, which is fire, let him heat it
15 with its own fire, the which fire is water, the which water they
16 have mensurated even to an end, & have hidden by reason
17 of the indiscretion of fools. And all the philosophers have sworn
18 concerning this thing, that they will not write it clearly in
19 any place. But they have attributed the glorie unto god omnipo-
20 tent, who reveals to whom he wills, & forbids it from whom
21 he will, because that in it lies a great sophisme & obscurity.
22 This therefore doth not operate actually nor potentialy, but in
23 pulsance or power unto ad(?); the which notwithstanding is to be assist-
24 ed with its own like, & this is said to be natural, and thus
25 hast thou the philosophical key to open every metal

Concordancy:

6 The Composition of a most sharp Acetum
7 vegetable, by George Ripley

8 Take the tartar of most strong wine & calcine it into
9 a colourness. Take of this calcined tartar one pound, that
10 being powdered put it in a great Porcelain cucurbit, where-
11 upon pour half a cup of spirit of wine or somewhat
12 more, close the mouth well, & let them stand in cold water
13 24 hours. Then put to a receiver & distill in Balneum with a gentle
14 fire, that so that it will distillate & then will ascend a
15 certain phlegma, that which you must distinguish by taste. Then
16 let it cool. And again put to the aforesaid tartar new
17 sprit of wine in the same quantity as afore, doing in all
18 respects as before. The whole work thou must repeat 15
19 times, & if thou will an hundreds. But when you open the
20 glas in the same all imbibitions about all thing beware
21 of the sustain odour of this adept fire.

Accurtations:

Put one ounce
16 of thy calx in the egg of the Gryphon, & put thereupon as much
17 of the tincture as it may be as it were covered, & shut the
18 vessel & so let it stand for the space of 8 days in a cold place,
19 & at the end of the time it will be thirsty, then give it more
20 drink as afore, & do as was aforesaid by the space of 8 days
21 & so continue from 8 days to 8 days until it will
22 drink up no more of its tincture, letting it thus stand in a
23 cold place until it becomes as black as pitch, then put
24 it in a natural balneum; & let it so stand until the humi-

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1 dity be fixed with the earth, the which will become as white
2 as snow. This done, thou maist divide it into two parts, keep-
3 ing one part for the white work, & the other part for the red
4 work,

"Most Sharp Vinegar" or "Secret Water" is one of the distillation products of the "Green Lion", "Adrop", "Sericon", etc., which is not the same as the "vinegar" or the "aqua vitae" he uses before, during some of the possible preparations of this "matter". But as the "Accurtations" implies, it is not absolutely necessary to carry out this dissolution in vinegar.
 

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"Most Sharp Vinegar" or "Secret Water" is one of the distillation products of the "Green Lion", "Adrop", "Sericon", etc., which is not the same as the "vinegar" or the "aqua vitae" he uses before, during some of the possible preparations of this "matter". But as the "Accurtations" implies, it is not absolutely necessary to carry out this dissolution in vinegar.

I think the quotes from Ripley I provided do confirm what you say. First you dry distill the Green Lyon to get the Most Sharp Vinegar. As indicated in the quotes and what I said above in the thread the names change after certain preparations.

No it is not necessary to carry out the dissolution of the initial Green Lyon in his Most Sharp Vinegar. Ripley gives more than 14 ways of operating with the same Elements obtained from the initial Green Lyon.

Hollandus gives a similar procedure in his Vegetable Opera where he says to rub the herb into a fine paste with burnt wine, distill and repeat until it is even better than the Stone. You cannot rub the herb with burnt wine until you distill the herb to get the burnt wine in the first place. Then you put the burnt wine onto new herb.